Calvinism Is Not True
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- čas přidán 13. 02. 2024
- Jordan Hatfield make a case for why Calvinism is not true based on the concept of union with Christ.
With Tyler Fowler @FaithUnaltered, Lucas Curcio @methodministries, and Leighton Flowers @Soteriology101
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Sheesh, I didn't realize the debate is still being argued that much, and then all sorts of recent videos popped up on my feed yesterday. I am tempted to engage with many of them, but is it profitable?
What a blessing to have the true and inspiring word of God.
2 Timothy 1:9
[9] [u] who saved us and [v] called us to(1) a holy calling, [w] not because of our works but because of [v] his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus [x] before the ages began,
Footnotes
(1) Or with
Cross-references
[u]: 1 Tim 1:1; Titus 3:4
[v]: Heb 3:1; Rom 8:28
[w]: Titus 3:5; Rom 3:27
[v]: Heb 3:1; Rom 8:28
[x]: Titus 1:2; Rom 16:25; Eph 1:4
(ESV)
Unfortunately, Calvinism makes one believe that Ephesians 1 says, "According as he hath chosen us (TO BE) in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" However it is more accurate to understand it as to say, "According as he hath chosen us (who are now) in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"...Paul is explaining that God chose those of us who are now IN Christ RATHER THAN those who are UNDER the law...the message is to persuade those who are UNDER the law to come out from under the law and come IN Christ THROUGH faith in His righteousness that is not our own.
And you make it that he didn’t choose anyone at all.
God did choose his people to be in Christ . That’s the whole point. Duh Gal 3:23
@aletheia8054 Right! But God chose those who believe, not those who don't believe.
That's His plan. Pretty straightforward, pretty simple.
@@Apollos2.2 Gods chosen people come to believe. They are unbelievers until the faith comes. Gal 3:23
Born again -> to -> faith
Or
Faith -> to -> born again
Which is the right order according to scripture?
Not salvation, as Calvinists read into the text, as in proper context, they are already believers.
God chose and predestined those spiritual gifts listed for believers, not for them to be believers.
These bedding are not for non believers.
3:45 Except, what Paul is talking about in Ephesians 1 is that all of the blessings that used to have been thought of as only applying to the Jews, through their being chosen through their ancestors, it has now been revealed have also come to all the Gentiles through being adopted into God's family through Christ. Paul is teaching that the blessings are available to all people. That's one of his main points.
Born again -> to -> faith
Or
Faith -> to -> born again.
Which is the right order according to scripture?
Not according to John 17. 2 As You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
Just below that Jesus says, " 6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me.
Towards the end of that chapter Jesus says, " 9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.
You need to understand it's God's work, will and doing. If we're responding, it's because God is working out His will and purpose
Except that Paul’s point isn’t that all Gentiles are adopted. Not every individual gentile person is adopted into the family of God. But all kinds of people, all groups of people, being a part of the covenant is not about the bloodline. But that doesn’t mean that now every single person is in the covenant
@@HandcraftedByMPD His point IS that every person is invited into God's kingdom. Yep. Not all kinds of people. Every person.
@@tstjohn777This is a ridiculous rebuttal. In John 17 Jesus is praying specifically and only for his disciples. It doesn't apply outside of that.
The argument is " what is the sovereign and almighty God of the Bible capable of " ? And who receives God's blessings ( only those " in Christ " ) ?
Romans 9:18
[18]So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. (ESV)
The Apostle Paul received blessing before being ( in Christ).
Galatians 1:15
[15]But when he [c] who had set me apart [d] before I was born,(4) and who [e] called me by his grace,
Footnotes
(4) Greek set me apart from my mother's womb.
Cross-references
[c]: Acts 13:2; Rom 1:1
[d]: Isa 49:1, 5; Jer 1:5; Lk 1:15
[e]: Gal 1:6
(ESV)
How do you think john Piper, john mcarthur, and others that used to be Armininians eventually succumb to the doctrine of grace? How did you interpret Romans 9? Are you saying that God is Sovereign over all except the salvation of the one he loves? or not love?
Piper, MacArthur and all the others became Calvinists because they didn't understand Romans 9 and thought that they had to force an understanding of it, and the understanding of it they landed on then forced them to recolor all the rest of scripture.
Romans 9 is Paul's recounting of all of his winning rebuttals to the unbelieving Jews' objections his message. To understand Romans 9 you have to understand the controversial issues in Judaism, and Paul's overall main point, and these theologians understood neither. Instead, they derived a theology from an ignorant reading of Romans 9 and then walked that backwards over the rest of the text.
Paul's main point is that where it used to be thought that the Jews were God's only chosen people, all others were outcast, entirely excluded from the kingdom of God, now it has been made clear that all people are invited. Jews and Gentiles. That no one is left out of God's invitation. When the Jews, who thought themselves special, objected to this Paul reversed all of their hateful arguments back on themselves in Romans 9. It would be as if Joe Biden's campaign came out and chose MAGA (Make America Great Again) as their next slogan against Trump. Like, they stole Trump's slogan and reversed its meaning back against Trump. If Joe came out in a blue MAGA hat everyone who know exactly what he was doing. This is what Paul is doing in almost every line of Romans 9, but no one sees it now because we're so far removed. I've written about this in my book.
Those men are Calvinists. They don’t believe in any doctrine of grace. There is no grace in Calvinism.
You have been so calvinized that you don't know what the word sovereign means. In Calvinism sovereign means determinism. In the rest of the world sovereign means God makes the rules, it has nothing to do with control.
This video is not going to change anything at all. Total waste of time. You can say what you want all day. So what???
@@josephalvinalmedatv8 making people aware of a false gospel is pretty important.
It's a blessing we can use God’s word and have the true and inspiring word of God
We read it in Ephesians 1 snd 2
Ephesians 1:4
[4] [h] even as he [i] chose us in him [j] before the foundation of the world, that we should be [k] holy and blameless before him In love
Cross-references
[h]: Eph 2:10; 2 Thess 2:13; 1 Pet 1:2
[i]: Jas 2:5; Deut 7:6; Deut 26:18
[j]: 2 Tim 1:9; Mt 13:35
[k]: Eph 5:27; Col 1:22; 1 Thess 4:7
(ESV)
Ephesians 2:8
[8]For [z] by grace you have been saved [a] through faith. And this is [b] not your own doing; [c] it is the gift of God,
Cross-references
[z]: Eph 2:5
[a]: 1 Pet 1:5; Rom 4:16
[b]: 2 Cor 3:5
[c]: Jn 4:10; Heb 6:4
(ESV)
Would you say that people following the teachings of John MacArthur, John Piper etc, are in great danger? If not, are debates like this necessary, this late in the game?
“He is talking about those who have faith in Christ” who? Those who He has chosen? “You have been predestined for sanctification” so all people are chosen to be sanctified? So how do you avoid universalism? Honest question. Not being snarky. Just wanted to know what you mean
I assume you are saying the Bible says that “You have been predestined for sanctification” is that what you are saying? If that is the case, the "You" go read who that You is, it's not referring to all people.
It's a blessing we have God's true and inspiring word.
Proverbs 16:9
[9] [y] The heart of man plans his way,
but [z] the LORD establishes his steps.
Cross-references
[y]: Prov 16:1; Prov 19:21
[z]: Prov 20:24; Ps 37:23; Jer 10:23
(ESV)
Defining our terms are so important. " Moderate Calvinist. " I will contact Lucas and have a discussion regarding this. I too will stand with anyone who calls out the belief that if we are determined and therefore what we do is irrelevant. That is a hyper Calvinist and someone who is actually a fatalist. I have had some exposure to this heresy and it is not good.
I have stated before that I have been reformed my entire life and never ever have I heard that my actions are not fully dependent upon my choice and the repercussions of my sin whether it be temporal or eternal, is real.
This is important since I think alot of the debate is stemming from this misinterpretation of a Calvinist position. Of which there are discrepancies between them, no doubt, as there are in any church.
Just one more point. Lucas is condemning Calvinists for using terms to describe a held position, like pelagian or semi pelagian.
This is the definition of semi pelagianism.
"Semi-Pelagianism was promulgated in the fifth century AD by John Cassian and some other church leaders in France. It took a middle-of-the-road approach to depravity; we are depraved, but not totally so. Semi-Pelagianism allows that humanity is tainted by sin, but not to the extent that we cannot cooperate with God’s grace on our own. Semi-Pelagianism is, in essence, partial depravity as opposed to total depravity. We are sinful, but we can still recognize the truth, cooperate with God’s grace, and choose to seek Christ. We need God’s grace to be saved, but we can take the first step toward Christ on our own, apart from grace."
This is YOUR STATED POSITION. So yes I will throw out the term semi pelagian to describe you Lucas. And you also start with many presuppositions so please give me a break.
Calvinism is biblical. Pelagian and conditional salvation is heresy.
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Yes his purpose and grace being his plan before the foundation of the world to send Jesus to die for the sins of the whole world, so that whosoever believes him (condition) shall not perish but have eternal life.
@@tommysuriel yes
@@tommysurielit never mentions ever his plan before the foundation or the world. It’s always chosen in him before the foundation. Not the plan. But yall have to insert that constantly.
@@KnightFel Ok sure it doesn't say those exact words but that's what he did, he didn't choose people randomly to be saved.
@@tommysuriel No one teaches random. So hard to discuss when a position is constantly misrepresented.
You can check out what John Calvin believes from his magnum opus Systematic Theology book for free, his audiobook on the Institutes of the Christian Religion Vol 1 can be found on CZcams for Free here: czcams.com/video/uYJ_x1DhfN4/video.htmlsi=9QwfKlz93LTvZ_z4
😊 Hope we all make sure we read him in context and he wrote extensively so his beliefs are clear
This perfectly aligns with what we teach in Theology of the Body. You cannot have life without union.
Do you believe its a false gospel though?
What is the argument? You said it is a good argument. But your opening statement of the first 15 minutes doesn’t in way argue against the theology of Mac or Sproul
Why would Paul say he became all things to all men in order to save some if God had to first call them before they could believe the Gospel of Christ. Gpd knew who would come to Him thru the saving grace of the Gospel before the beginning. He didn't cause those that would come to salvation thru the Gospel, He simply knew who all would respond. I do feel that God allows us to experience things that may help draw us to Him thru those experiences.
Leighton
"Step away from the clear, straightforward reading of the text and consider our perspective."
What is your perspective? We apparently get into our spiritual time machine to voluntarily enter into a relationship with Christ so that God could choose us before the foundation of the world.
Got it.
Please provide the link to the quote from Leighton. If you can't, I will assume that you are probably lying.
Your a troll clown.
So is Jesus and the Spirit somehow contrary to each other? The Spirit doesn’t give life only Jesus? Doesn’t Jesus it is the Spirit who gives life? The words I speak are spirit and they are life. I am certain I read that somewhere .
Hi Nathaniel.
They are not contrary to each other.
First Jesus came as the sacrificial lamb (Isaiah 53:7) so that "him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Then when He went away, He sent the Spirit (John 16:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.)
@@unitedstates3068 I recognize that. But the speakers continued to say that Jesus brings life in a juxtaposed way to the Spirit. I was asking these questions to prove a point.
41:45 from what I’ve experienced, tossing out the handbook of what love is seems to be what some Calvinists do… they’ll define the actions of an evil god as good and gaslight you with Jeremiah 17:9 saying that the only reason you think God predestining you to damnation and giving you your proverbial glass of water on the way to the gas chamber is because your evil heart wants to define good and evil for yourself for your heart is wicked beyond all comprehension, and then Romans 9, who are you to question God?
To me, that seems ripe for spiritual abuse and I was inundated in that for years in a Calvinist church… I didn’t know anything about Calvinism. They were teaching that as part of the Gospel.
The Bible gives the definition of love and free will worshipers don’t seem to know what it is
God doesn’t love everybody. And God creates evil.
The Bible says so
Is Jeremiah 17:9 gas lighting? Could you explain more.
@@ngce I don’t think what God says is “gaslighting”
@@aletheia8054 yeah, that’s why I’m confused about why he’s saying that.
Non-Calvinism Is Not True.
Every Christian was created “in Christ,” chosen before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4, 2:10), called as “a chosen race, a royal priesthood” (1 Peter 2:9, cf. Hebrews 5:4), and was also “in Christ” as our federal head and representative when He died and rose again (Romans 6:1-14; Colossians 2:12; 3:1-2).
In Ephesians 1, Paul uses the phrase "in Christ," and "in Him" to refer to the sphere into which God’s blessing and choosing takes place, that is, based on the person and work of Christ, God has both blessed and chosen individuals. This meaning is more apparent in verses 19-20 where the phrase “in Christ” is shown specifically to be the sphere of God’s operation. Paul again uses this concept in Romans 5 to talk about the representative nature of the headship of Christ over those who are His.
According to 1 Corinthians 1:9, those whom the Father has given to the Son (John 6:37) are brought into union with Him when they are effectually called (cf. John 6:44, 12:32, Romans 8:28-30) and embrace Christ in faithfulness (Ephesians 1:13-14); faith being the fruit and justification (demonstration) of salvation (Galatians 5:22-23, Romans 3:28, 5:1, John 20:31).
Our faith in Him is the effect and definite result of the work of God (John 6:29, Hebrews 12:2, Philippians 1:6); it is “not of ourselves” (Ephesians 2:8-9), because it could never be (Romans 8:7); the wicked (the reprobate, those devoid of the Spirit of God, Cf. 2 Peter 2:12ff) do not even have the right to covenant with God (Psalm 50:16), therefore faith is something that the elect receive from God in time (2 Peter 1:1); only then does 1 Corinthians 1:30 become true of us: “and because of him you are in Christ Jesus.”
Essentially, faith is a product of man’s fellowship with God, and it is the means of mediation initiated by God through which the Mediator works to save those whom He has both chosen and called, bringing about our sanctification (Acts 26:18).
Think of our union with Christ as a coin with two sides. From the divine side, our union with Christ is secured by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who is the bond of that eternal union (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13-14). From the human side, the bond of our union with Christ is the Spirit-granted faith (Philippians 1:29, Acts 13:48) that embraces Him as He is presented to us in the gospel (cf. Acts 5:14; Romans 16:7b, Philippians 3:9).
The power (the Spirit) to believe comes from God; but the act (faith) is our act, though it is guaranteed for and given by the Lord to His elect (after all, we possess the gifts that He has given us, this includes faith).
Until the elect believe, they are outside of Christ, dead in trespasses and sins, children of wrath (Ephesians 2:1-3), and the elect must believe to enjoy the salvation that He has purchased for them (Ephesians 1:13-14, 2:8-9, Cf. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
Thanks for speaking the truth. I really appreciate every word you said and quoted.
But according to them the power to believe and act in faith comes from semi pelagius or libertarian ability. As Flowers always says man is response able then denies semi pelagian charge.
Based on quite a few dialogues/debates, my best guess is that many people so strongly oppose Calvinism because they hate the idea that they are not in control. They despise the idea that their faith was predestined. They loathe the concept that God choosing them had anything to do with them coming to Christ for salvation. Simply put, they want to think that they are fully in control of their own eternal destiny. They chose to receive Christ as Savior. And for many, they adamantly hold onto the idea that they can also choose to reject Christ as Savior after previously trusting in Him for salvation.
What Calvinism haters do not understand, or refuse to accept, is that God's absolute sovereignty does not negate the fact that we are still absolutely responsible for our actions. Yes, God elects people to salvation (Romans 8:29-30). At the same time, we must believe in Christ to be saved (John 3:16). The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. Everyone whom God has chosen will believe, and everyone who believes is chosen by God. Admitting that you cannot perfectly understand the mind of God is the only way to come to a biblical balance on this issue (Romans 11:33-34). Calvinists do not have a perfect understanding of how things work, but there is no denying, biblically speaking, that God is absolutely sovereign in salvation.
@@johntrevett2944 Control? No! Let a righteous man strike me, it is a kindness!!
If we truly are elect, then we’re ambassadors for Christ urging people to be reconciled to God. We’re on the byways and crossroads inviting anyone we can find to the banquet, but many are casting a shadows of doubt on the invitation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For what purpose? How does Calvin prosper the Kingdom of God? How do you know for certainty that you are elect? Maybe you’re the one that isn’t invited? (Sarcastic humor)
This is nothing new, another resurgence of a futile philosophy and a reaction to culture not the truth from the Word. Should our Lord delay His coming It will die off like it always does but it will take some churches with it.
1 John is the best Book to meditate on and conform your mind to doctrine that is actually useful to God and men.
I say this in love, lifting up our Lord Jesus Christ in boldness, who saves us not out predestination.
@@TAdler-ex8px Philosophy? I provided nothing but scripture and you responded with nothing but your own words and wisdom.
@@johntrevett2944 I actually referenced at least 3 scriptures, Psalm 141:5, Mathew 22:9, 2 Cor 5:20. But I didn’t do this for the same reason you did, because I know that arguing about words ruins the hearers 2 Tim 2:14. Scripture will only benefit you if it includes all of the passages from Genesis to Revelation, and I suggest strongly that you meditate on 1 John 1-5 and that you watch that you don’t lose interest in people and just fixate on doctrine. I’m loving you by saying this. Knowledge is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brother. 1 John 3 :14
Notice the glaring omission? The blessing (according to Calvinism) that isn’t mentioned in Ephesians? FAITH
“God places us in union with His Son” isn’t that what Mac believes? Isn’t that what most people who ID as a Calvinists believe?
I am excited to see you all talking about Union with Christ, but I sense you men are not highlighting the truth of a preconversion union with Christ. Reformed folk hold that union with Christ has a temporal and non temporal aspect, I think you guys are focusing on the experience of being united to Christ and neglection the eternal dimension to the elects union to Christ. Eph 1:4 Ephesians 1:4 NIV
[4] For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love ...
In Christ before time!!
2 Timothy 1:9 NIV
[9] He has saved us and called us to a holy life-not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
The elect given grace before time began.
Not a single source cited showing that Calvinists believe “in him” is “union with Christ.”
Plenty of sources in this video czcams.com/video/A23Mc_eqWu8/video.htmlsi=xmwE8OnMOXTbGteJ
Of course we cannot be in union with Him and then be born into sin. In Him refers to the fact that we are elected at that time, then brought to justification by the sanctification of the Spirit.
Another fallacy is when he says "get life to get then get life" with both of them being the exact same thing. No, you get life when you're are spiritually born from above, then you respond in faith and receive grace, which saves you.
What you said in the first 15 minutes is something I have been thinking about for awhile. That Calvinists in a sense believe that they receive the gift of being “chosen” outside of Christ. I mean, the gospel is clear we cannot come to the father except through Christ. But they believe, outside of Christ, being chosen by God first before even being born. Makes no sense.
First guy needs to keep reading Ephesians.
"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ."
It happened while we were spiritually dead.
No true calvinist would reject the centrality and exclusivity of Christ in securing our salvation.
Amen. These are my "life verses" per se, especially the "But God..."
ephesians 2;1 should be the last verse in the 1st chapter , in the first chapter read how many times God chooses and that's why that verse bites and important to know you are dead , cause dead men don;t choose
Yeah, but it's not individual. It's us/we, you plural/you all in all cases. Am I wrong?
@@duncescotus2342 did you read the 1st chapter
@@guitarplayer1434 Where's that, what? Couldn't hear over my amp. It goes to 11.
Dead men don't sin. Dead men don't reject Christ. Dead men walk in eph 2:2. Dead men converse in eph 2:3. Paul at one time was Dead. Romans 7:9.
“So predestination doesn’t mean determinism.” Ok great! So what does it mean? You all are doing a great job at saying what this isn’t and that isn’t. Not sure what you’re saying it is.
Hi Nathaniel... checkout Soteriology101 "60-Second Soteriology: What is Predestination?"
Also, Beyondthefundamentals
... Hope it helps
Romans 10:17 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
John 8:47 KJV
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
To have faith - which is given (Phi 1.29) - one must have 'ears to hear' what the Spirit reveals of Christ to that person. To have the ability to hear one must be "of God", which Christ declares to the Pharisee's in His conversation in John 8. To be "of God" means to be born anew or from above i.e. from God Himself (John 1.13).
Once one's ears have been opened, then and only then does 'faith come' and is the evidence one is in union with Christ (Hebrews 1.11), not a condition thereof, and shows to the possessor they are one of God's everlastingly loved Covenant children (Jer 31.3) who Christ died for (Heb 2.13,14).
Do you consider Calvinists to be brothers and sisters in Christ?
Calvinism asserts: Regeneration precedes Faith. Titus 3:5 plainly states We are saved THROUGH or BY Regeneration. Game over. If we are saved by Faith, how then can a man be "saved" or rather regenerated prior to Faith? Why don't you guys hammer on this? To say Regeneration precedes Faith, is the same as saying Salvation precedes Faith. Calvinists literally have a different gospel. Regeneration can not precede faith if it is the instrument or doorway through which one is saved. Ask a Calvinist how Temporal and Logical distinctions work in real time. Ask them to explain how that actually works out in reality. I have asked dozens. "how, with your soteriology does a man go from darkness to light." They have to wonder off into mystery. Why isn't Titus 3:5 EVER cited ?
The Beginning of the Christian Life
Ephesians 2:1-10
“God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ” (vv. 4-5).
Titus 3:5-6
"he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior"
The precise timing of regeneration continues to be an issue that Christians disagree on. In the broader evangelical movement, several different views of regeneration are common. Frequently, well-known evangelical preachers speak as if regeneration is a consequence of faith or as if it follows faith. Other views of regeneration equate it with conversion or rebirth, effectively identifying the moment we come to faith with the moment we get a new heart. Finally, there is the Reformed view that says regeneration precedes and is a prerequisite to faith and is necessary for us to exercise faith in the Savior.
Ultimately, the biblical evidence demonstrates the truth of the Reformed view. Certainly, because regeneration is invisible, we can not always tell the difference between regeneration and conversion. We can not always make a sharp distinction in time between the point at which the Spirit gives us a new heart and the point when we first believe. Nevertheless, regeneration must precede faith according to John 3:3. Heb 12:14 says that without Holiness no one will see the Lord, we cannot even see the kingdom of God until we are Holy(1Cor7:14), and how can we enter the kingdom if we cannot see it? In regeneration, the Spirit opens our spiritual eyes to the truth of Christ, and then we trust Him. Regeneration is the sovereign work of the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 2:4-5 also supports the Reformed view of regeneration. Before we came to know Jesus as Savior, we all were dead in our sins, spiritually speaking. The death metaphor is important, of course, because dead people can not do anything. We can not will ourselves back to physical life. Our only hope is for someone to restore us to the land of the living. Being spiritually dead, we can not raise ourselves to life. No one seeks God (Rom3:10-12). We do not want-indeed, we cannot want-anything to do with the one true God apart from the Spirit’s work. The initiative is God's, God draws us to him(John6:44) . The Holy Spirit raises us to new spiritual life, and we trust in the Savior. Thus begins our spiritual pilgrimage, as in our sanctification, we seek to become more and more like Christ.
Since regeneration starts but does not conclude our spiritual walk, being born again does not end the struggle with sin. Actually, it intensifies this struggle. Regeneration ends the dominion of sin over us and reorients us toward the way of Christ. Yet the presence of sin remains, and we war against it (Rom. 7:7-25). We are called to put to death the lusts of the flesh. We thus are to remain vigilant, knowing that regeneration begins this war within us.
You’re right that Calvinism is not true, but the pronouns Paul used in Ephesians reveal that the chosen and predestined people Paul wrote of were the apostles and prophets who were chosen to be eyewitnesses of Jesus and stewards of the mystery of Christ (compare 1:1-12 and 2:12, then look at 3:1-12ff).
Further, Peter wrote to the (chosen) Israelites scattered throughout the Roman Empire.
Much confusion regarding predestination can be resolved by applying pronouns correctly and considering the greater context of “difficult” passages. My book The Flower Falls: A Careful Examination of Calvinism’s TULIP reveals that more fully.
if outside of Christ you can do no thing , how do you come to the knowledge that you need a savior. accepting him sounds like a pretty big something
Makes? How about, God creates life where there was no life? Does that sound biblical?
Jesus gave a litmus test when He said “yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.“
John 16:2-3
John Calvin and associates did not know The Father or Jesus. They were not Christians.
God gives us another litmus test in Galatians 1:6-10
”I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.“
Galatians 1:6-10
The litmus test is that if *anyone* perverts the gospel of the apostles and are therefore preaching a different gospel (that is no gospel because there is only 1 and only 1 is good news!) they are accursed. And we are instructed by God to *let them* be accursed. And we are further rebuked for NOT doing this in 2 Corinthians 11:4
Calvinism isn’t just “oh but no one has perfect theology.” That would be like saying to someone who gets abused by their husband “oh well no one has a perfect marriage.” Anyone who preaches total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, perseverance of the saints, prefaith regeneration, and determinism is preaching a DIFFERENT GOD and DIFFERENT GOSPEL and IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. This isn’t about “oh well no one has perfect theology.”
Not only so, but "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" is also a litmus test.
When people declare that God is the inventor of evil via His Divine decree, is in a colossal violation of this warning.
@@primeobjective5469 I think “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” is also a litmus test, however it is much less clear WHAT exactly that IS unlike these other verses that I think it is much more obvious.
It only becomes all confusing when we use every form of mental gymnastics to get people off the hook of applying to these clear passages and providing people with excuses to remain comfy in their deception and justifications. This is usually done because we have bought into the false dichotomy that if we do not accept Calvinists and their pastors that means we are being “unloving” “divisive” and “kicking people out of the kingdom”. OF COURSE there are Calvinists who are exceptions to the rule, but we do not follow rules based on exceptions. We need to trust God, do all things in love, and stop making excuses for people who do not have them according to Gods word. I don’t think that is pleasing God according to Galatians 1:10 and the rebuke in 2 Corinthians 11 which suggests us using kid gloves here is actually not pleasing to Him. I don’t even think this is actually loving towards someone in bondage to this deception!
@@primeobjective5469 oh my gosh I sent the longest reply and it’s disappeared 😭 this is happening so much lately.
Yes I think “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” is also a litmus test but it is not very clear WHAT exactly this blasphemy of the Holy Spirit IS, so I think it is a little unhelpful. Whereas the other verses I think are much more clear and obvious.
@@Loves2HugItOut -- If we read the context, the Jews were trying to credit Satan for the work of the Holy Spirit. I believe the reverse is also the equivalent; trying to credit the Holy Spirit for the work of Satan.
@@primeobjective5469 ooh interesting 😬 yes redefining “good” and “evil” is a very strange and dangerous thing if anyone finds themself doing that
Amen. Thank you brothers.
We are predestined, if we are in Christ. Yes one could argue that God knew who would be in Christ before the foundation of the would, but that isn’t the point.
The point is ALL the blessings are in Christ and Him alone. It’s ALL about Him. It’s all about Him. That is the point.
The believer is predestined, by being in Christ. Because He was the elect one.
The believer is Justified, because Christ was Justified.
The believer is Glorified, because Christ is Glorified.
We are forgiven, because forgiveness is in Christ alone through His work on the cross.
We will be made holy and blameless because Christ is holy and blameless.
We will be raised again on the last day because He was raised from the grave.
God is fully glorified in Christ. God’s mercy and grace is shown, perfect and complete, in Christ. God’s purpose, His will, is CHRIST. Only the believer is grafted into this by being IN CHRIST through faith that all of this is only found IN CHRIST. Trusting in the promise that in Christ, we will also receive all the spiritual blessings in Him because we will be conformed to His image.
The Bible says that without faith no one can please God. Faith pleases God because it points to Christ! Because it’s ALL ABOUT CHRIST.
I fully believe the gospel is meant to be beautifully simple.
I also noticed that Calvinists seem to be experts in the area of gaslighting. I've noticed that whenever they are confronted with an obvious conclusion that their doctrine leads to, they ALWAYS either gaslight you or tell you that you do not understand Calvinism.
A simple example: You tell a Calvinist that their doctrine makes God unfair (a monster) by condemning a person as soon as he comes out of the womb and they will spin it or tell you that you don't understand Calvinism. They will NEVER ADMIT this obvious conclusion that their god is completely unfair and a respecter of persons, or use their favorite "get out of a dilemma card" by quoting Romans 9:20 "But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?"
In other words, we need to check out our brain anytime Calvinist cognitive dissonance comes into play. You cannot use reason when speaking to a full-fledged Kool-Aid indoctrinated Calvinist. I love Calvinist people, just cannot agree with their twisted view of God.
Ephesians 2:
1 And you were "dead" in your trespasses and sins.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
Grace!
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved ), **Grace
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; **Grace \ not of yourselves!
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. **Not of you grabbing the life ring!
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them ** We are His \ Beforehand
Calvin's First Item
- Total Depravity of man
Either He chooses you (you are dead) or you accept a life ring of Jesus?
Grace or Your boasting.
Since we are dead in sin, we are completely unable to trust God or His Word. Jesus repeatedly claims that we are powerless without Him (John 15:5) and that we cannot come to Him without God’s enabling (John 6:44). Paul teaches in Romans 8 that our natural minds cannot submit to God, nor please Him (verses 7-8). In our fallen state, we are incapable of even understanding the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14).
Yeah - Thank God for being Chosen by God and by Grace!
Amen. I am so grateful to the Lord that He was gracious to save me. I think this whole Calvinist debate becomes snarky and out of hand because of what the scripture says about God and man. When we start with God and then just look at the wickedness of man (Ephesians 2:1-3, Romans 3:9-20, 8:7-8, Jeremiah 17:9, 1 John 3:4. and so many other verses) you see that we absolutely hate God (the unbelieving world hates God the Father, Christ, and Christians according to Jesus' words in John 15:18-23) and only God can move us to come to Him. John 6:37-44 demonstrates this. And Acts 5:31, 11:18, and 2 Timothy 2:25 shows that it is God that grants/gives repentance. Yet the Bible also commands sinners to repent and believe. It is through the Gospel message we are sent to give (Romans 10:9-17) that God uses as the means to save those He would save. It is not unfair or unjust for God to save whom He will while at the same time calling sinners to repent and come to Him. He is the King; His Gospel message is not just Good News, but also a summons to wicked lawbreakers to turn from their sins and turn to Christ. If they refuse it's because they want to refuse based on their wretched nature of sin. These doctrines are hard to understand and embrace, but they are in scripture. And they meant what they meant before Calvin was ever born or the term Calvinism was ever invented.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you *life and death* blessing and cursing: therefore *choose life* that both thou and thy seed may live:
{Deuteronomy 30:19}
@@larrybedouin2921 It absolutely says you need to choose. But does that verse explain how you are able to choose?
@@2timothy23
👋 God does not ask for us to choose for the sake of asking. That is irrational.
Do you know God?
@@2timothy23
Options...blessing or curses.
Why did Jesus say you must be born again? Why did say you cannot SEE the kingdom? Nicodemus clearly didn’t understand the message. Yet Jesus doesn’t say well Nic you just need to have enough faith and pull yourself up. He says you must be born again.
He also said "God so loved the world that gave his one and only so that whosoever believes in him shall not perish and have eternal life" you're born again when you believe.
He told old nicodemes
Roman’s 19:9
Is this argument supposed to make any sense? Because it doesn’t. If we have to be in Christ before we can be blessed by Christ, then we are all men most to be pitied. We are forever lost in our sin and degradation.
Listen to 36:30 of this video
Salvation is ALL about "Life" in Him, not just forgiveness. Thanks for speaking the truth in love!🤠
Salvation is the first and greatest command. It's about the Lord and your neighbor.
Mark 12:30-31
[30]And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ (ESV)
Mark 12:31
[31] [x]The second is this: [y]‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment [z]greater than these.”
Cross-references
[x]: 1 Jn 4:21
[y]: Le 19:18; Mt 19:19
[z]: Mt 23:23
(ESV)
If there is a Calvinist reading this, can you answer one simple question that I have:
"Did God decide to create millions upon millions of people (with absolutely no choice to repent) simply so that they can be tormented forever in hell for his pleasure?"
I just cannot wrap my brain around this thought so could a Calvinist enlighten me on this?
*billions
Please read the Bible, Romans 9
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8 Romans 9 does not teach calvinism. The good news is God hasn’t left billions of people hopeless and doomed for he||. Jesus came as a Savior for everyone and anyone can believe in Him. This is the Christian faith.
@Loves2HugItOut
What s blessing to have the true and inspiring word of God , and know God as the potter
Romans 9:17
[17]For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, [y]“For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”
Cross-references
[y]: Ex 9:16
(ESV)
Romans 9:18
[18]So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. (ESV)
One way to explain God as the potter is to use the biblical metaphor that compares God to a skilled craftsman who shapes and molds clay into various vessels. This metaphor is found in several passages of Scripture, such as Isaiah 64:81, Jeremiah 18:1-62, and Romans 9:19-21.
The main points of this metaphor are:
God is the creator and sovereign ruler of everything. He has the right and authority to do as He pleases with His creation, just as a potter has the right and authority to do as he pleases with his clay.
God is the designer and planner of everything. He has a purpose and a goal for His creation, just as a potter has a purpose and a goal for his clay. He knows what kind of vessel He wants to make, and He works accordingly.
God is the shaper and molder of everything. He uses various means and methods to form and transform His creation, just as a potter uses various means and methods to form and transform his clay. He can make different kinds of vessels for different kinds of uses, and He can also reshape and remake vessels that are marred or broken.
God is the lover and father of everything. He cares for and cherishes His creation, just as a potter cares for and cherishes his clay. He does not discard or destroy His vessels, but He restores and renews them. He desires to have a personal and intimate relationship with His vessels, and He invites them to trust and obey Him.
You can use this metaphor to explain God as the potter by giving examples of how God has acted as a potter in your own life or in the lives of others. You can also use this metaphor to encourage others to submit to God as the potter, and to seek His will and His glory in their lives.
Ephesians 1:3-12 is talking about Jews (we who frst hoped in Christ)! In verse 13 Paul clearly includes the Ephesians. Jews are the elect! Jews were the chosen! Same with Romans 8.
Excited to watch!
I’m sharing the gospel with Calvinists, many who are compatabilists, telling them the good news about the Savior who has brought hope to all of mankind and that no one has been passed over and doomed from before they were born by God, and they honestly don’t like this. Shouldn’t this be a relief to them, shouldn’t this be good news??? But I’m telling you time and time again THEY DO NOT LIKE THIS GOOD NEWS. They literally like the darkness rather than the light of the gospel. I wish this wasn’t the case, I wish I didn’t have to say this but they have made it so clear how much they not only don’t believe the gospel but actually hate the gospel because all they do is mock it and rile against it at every turn with all their doctrines they have created as a response to how much they hate it. Limited atonement? Prefaith regeneration? Unconditional election? My goodness we could name them ALL and each one is totally insane.
This doctrine is DANGEROUS what it is doing to the heart and mind. And it is blasphemy. This doctrine is NO JOKE. I truly feel bad for Calvinists and what this doctrine has done to them and also righteously angry at the poison they are spreading and for the Church allowing it
My very thoughts!
Basically everything you have said is a misconception or just false.
I wont spend looong comment time with you like I have recently but I will mention 1 thing for you to think about.
You, do not have good news of the gospel to share. What you have is good advice. Only Calvinism can share the true gospel because it is a declaration of what is done.
I feel bad for you because you do not believe in the sovereign and almighty God of the Bible.
God is the Potter
It's a blessing we have the true and inspiring words of God.The God of the old Testament is the same in the New Testament.
• Jeremiah 18:1-11
• Isaiah 45:9
64:8
• Romans 9:19-24
• Jeremiah 18:1-9
The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD:“Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will let you hear my words.” So I went down to the potter's house, and there he was working at his wheel. And the vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter's hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to do.
Then the word of the LORD came to me: “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the LORD. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it,
Romans 9:21
[21] [c]Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump [d]one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Cross-references
[c]: Isa 64:8; Jer 18:6
[d]: 2 Tim 2:20
(ESV)
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8 I believe the God of the Bible is the sovereign almighty God. I just don’t think that equates to God determining everyones every move and every molecule. Sovereign does not mean determinism. Thinking God cannot be sovereign without meticulously determining His creations every molecule is honestly a man centered view of God.
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8 I believe all the scriptures you listed. The problem is not with the scriptures, it’s how you interpret them.
I always want to ask…how much of what he posited is false? All of it? Really? The man wrote hundreds of letters and sermons, has volumes of studies and writings. Blanket statements like these are foolish.
“The man wrote hundreds of letters and sermons, has volumes of studies and writings.”
Ok… that really doesn’t prove anything. So did the Pharisees.
I’m sure he had some good takes on a couple things but the most important things (gospel related and character of God related) he was completely deceived about.
@@Loves2HugItOut “Be quiet” - The Apostle Paul
@@rms-vp6hf can you provide the verse? Lol
How convenient to assume you’re a chosen elect. How do you know? What if you’re wrong? That’s not assuredness of salvation, is it? Scripture says believers can have assurance of their salvation.
The elect do not “know”. They “perceive” it by the daily cross and death to self in their life.
They don’t call it believe for nothing .
That's where works salvation comes in. They think their elect by their righteous living. "I must be elect, I adhere to the commandments." Jews thought that, Mormons think that, every religion thinks that. But...Grace through faith is very different than the religion of Calvinism. We KNOW we are in him because of believing only. That's why we are persecuted and hated
Something I also think to myself. If we can’t KNOW that Christ died for everyone, then we can’t know He died for us. (And no, I am not a Universalist when it comes to salvation)
@@Elizabeth-1722 why is that?
@@aletheia8054 why is what? What are you asking about specifically?
1 Peter 1:2 God the Father " knew you chose you long ago", his Spirit has made you holy. As a result, you have obeyed him and have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:4 He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world., John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you appointed you 1 Thessalonians 4 "that he has chosen you.
Any Study Bibles NKJV that don't have calvinistic theology
God promised to preserve His written word and the King James Bible is God's preserved written word in the English language.
All study Bibles are full of man made error.
Roman Catholic Catena app. It's loaded with Patristic commentary as well. Not exactly friendly for Calvinism
You can get a free version of strong and McClintock cyclopedia online.
There’s more study in there than you can do in a lifetime
May the truth be spoken.
How do we get into Christ?
Answer : God the Father causes us to be born again, resulting in living faith.
How do we get in Christ?
Answer: by hearing a preacher proclaiming the testimony of Christ Jesus which gives us access to the Father through faith in His Son being proclaimed by His Spirit that is working in the preacher.
How can they believe in whom they have not heard?
How happy are feet of them that bring glad tidings!
💌
God gave faith to all men in that he RAISED Christ from the dead, therefore if a man does not have faith it is because that man has called God a LIAR for claiming to have raised Christ from the dead.
Outside of Christ = imperfect and unacceptable
IN Christ = made perfect and acceptable
No other way but IN Christ do we have access to the Father.
Come out from UNDER the law and come IN Christ through faith in His righteousness which is not our own so that no man should boast...simple.
Matthew 3:17
“And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Ephesians 2:18
“For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.”
Colossians 1
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect IN Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Again:
Outside = imperfect
inside = made perfect
Paul, a preacher by the power of the Holy Spirit working in him, to persuade sinners to come in Christ through faith in His testimony.
Picture Christ Jesus as a ship that was built by a master builder that could fit exactly the amount of people who were ever created so that all men are without an excuse as to why they are not IN that ship that would bring them to the Father of us all.
God is good!
And who does He cause to be born again? Who did He choose to rebirth... those who believe in Jesus, not those who don't believe (they refuse to come to Christ to have life).
@Apollos2.2 Wrong.
He causes them TO BE born again TO a living hope/faith.
He doesn't cause them to be born again after they believe. If they already believe, why then do they need to be born again? They already have saving faith. They are good to go.
Born again ->> to ->> faith ✅️
Not
Faith ->> to ->> born again ❌️
@Apollos2.2 Wrong. If I already believe then why do I need to be born again. I already have saving faith. I am good to go.
Born again -> to -> faith ✅️
Not
Faith -> to -> born again ❌️
@jayrodriguez84 Everyone has faith in something (be it right or wrong) as humans, made in God's image, we are the only creatures who can choose to put our faith in Him. That's what repentance is about. That's His plan. Not that He chooses who will believe in Him, but that we are able to choose to believe or not.
And God wants everyone to repent, believe and be saved. He doesn't force them.
1 Timothy 4:1 states "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons."
My observation with the Calvinist clan is that they "intellectualize" the gospel and have books upon books backing every jot and tittle of their twisted view of scripture. Their philosophical approach complicates the simple gospel that even children should be able to understand. In order to understand their doctrine, it would take years and years of leader John Calvin study. Did God really make it that complicated???
Reminds me of Jesus' warning in Matthew 23:13 where he states "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in." I believe that if anyone is truly saved in a Calvinist church it happened prior to getting sucked into Calvinism since there is no biblical gospel in Calvinism (but only election or "lucky lottery winners").
Their high mindedness "systematic theology" and 50¢ words (use to be 25¢ words prior to the recent inflation) corrupt the simple gospel that Jesus loves you, died for your sins, and is offering you the free gift of salvation if you so choose. Just like Adam and Eve, God gave them a choice.
I love Calvinist people. I just can't see God as someone who created the majority of people so he could hate them from the get-go out of the womb and throw them into hell (for his glory of course) with no choice whatsoever.
After literally months and months of studying Calvinism I have come to the conclusion that their view of the character of Christ is entirely different than mainstream Christianity. I believe it is their pride that blinds them to seeing the loving Savior of scripture who calls all people to come to Calvary to have their sins forgiven.
In my wildest dreams I never knew after serving the Lord for over 38 years that there was a group of people out there claiming to be Christians who literally believe that man can choose anything except Jesus and where he will spend eternity, that Jesus does not love everyone (salvation love), that Jesus did not die for everyone, and that God does not want everyone saved.
Can someone PLEASE explain how these people are truly brothers and sisters in Christ since their view of Christ is so contrary to clear biblical teaching? I just cannot wrap my brain around this.
I don't think you can understand the doctrine with just month's of studying. I think you already have your mind made up about Calvinism. I'm a calvinist I believe God changed my heart and made me realize how sinful I am. And it wasn't of my own understanding but the effectual calling of the Holy Spirit
@@Philip3
Philip, you just claimed your position in Christ by your “ feeling of a changed heart “ ( not by faith ) your just as unsaved as the Mormon who makes your same claim.
After decades and decades of studying free will I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s nothing but ignorance.
@@brendaleehayter8464 I'm not sure what you mean. I have faith in Christ
@@Philip3 Philip your “ faith “ is in an exclusive definition ( meticulous determinism) of election of which is contrary to other very clear scriptures that express that “faith” in Christ’s complete work alone is what is required for God to extend salvation.
No external systematic required, in fact the systematic will disqualify a person from receiving what is uniquely from God alone.
Amen
I really appreciated your first point: "chosen to be holy" is a result, not a parallel, to being "in Christ".
Thank you!
There are no experts on refuting Calvinism.
There? Or they're?
Jesus is the Very Life Supply !! Amen !!
The Holy Spirt gives the new birth (LIFE). Jn 3
Yes, when we believe (Galatians 3:2)
@@tommysurieland you believe only when the Holy Spirit regenerates you. Faith and repentance are granted. Faith and repentance is also pleasing to God. Paul literally says in Romans 8 that those in the flesh CANNOT please God. Literally meaning does not have the ability. It’s not that you’re trying but can’t make it, but when you’re in the flesh, you love the darkness more than Christ (we all do/did). Therefore you won’t choose Christ, you can’t. No one’s stopping you but yourself. Christ also said no one can come to Him (believe in Him) *unless* drawn by the Father. And that person drawn is raised on the last day. Notice *unless*. Also notice the fact that everyone drawn will be raised up to life. What does that mean then when someone isn’t raised to life? Did Jesus fail as a savior?
This channel and Flower’s channel that are literally obsessed with Calvinism aren’t a good source of theology when their sole focus is Calvinism. There arguments have been clearly and easily refuted over and over again.
@@KnightFel Sho me a verse that talks about regeneration preceds faith?
@@KnightFel Acts 19:2,5-6 KJV
He said unto them, *_Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost._*
[5] When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[6] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, *_the Holy Ghost came on them;_* and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Arguing for your point by assuming the answer.
I assume certain premises about what it means to be "in him."
Based on quite a few dialogues/debates, my best guess is that many people so strongly oppose Calvinism because they hate the idea that they are not in control. They despise the idea that their faith was predestined. They loathe the concept that God choosing them had anything to do with them coming to Christ for salvation. Simply put, they want to think that they are fully in control of their own eternal destiny. They chose to receive Christ as Savior. And for many, they adamantly hold onto the idea that they can also choose to reject Christ as Savior after previously trusting in Him for salvation.
What Calvinism haters do not understand, or refuse to accept, is that God's absolute sovereignty does not negate the fact that we are still absolutely responsible for our actions. Yes, God elects people to salvation (Romans 8:29-30). At the same time, we must believe in Christ to be saved (John 3:16). The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. Everyone whom God has chosen will believe, and everyone who believes is chosen by God. Admitting that you cannot perfectly understand the mind of God is the only way to come to a biblical balance on this issue (Romans 11:33-34). Calvinists do not have a perfect understanding of how things work, but there is no denying, biblically speaking, that God is absolutely sovereign in salvation.
The main reason people loath Calvinism is because Cakvinism is cruel, narcissistic, heartless, callous, just like its original founder was.
Calvinism attracts cold, cruel people.
That's not to say that all Calvinists are that way, but the teaching certainly is.
So you totally did not watch any of this or hear any of their Biblical arguments. And no one can disagree with your interpretation of certain scriptures unless they hate not being in control of their own lives. Got it. Thank you.
Why don't we just say clearly that Calvinist preach a different gospel. Similar to the Mormons, JW, and anybody that follows a human. Calvin is a human who is no different than Joseph Smith. God bless you
When I was a Presbyterian Calvinist I believed the same gospel: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
I often wonder the same thing. How is this not a salvific issue? It’s clearly a false teaching
Because we're not saved by believing (mentally ascenting to) all the correct propositions. We're saved by our allegiance to Christ. So, someone could understand the Gospel incorrectly and still be saved so long as the person remains faithful to Christ.
@@thirdplace3973no you believed a different gospel, unless you believed that the gospel is that God loves the world and gave His Son for the whole world making an atonement for the whole world that *anyone* can put their faith in Him and THEN be saved.
No you thought that this “good news” was only for certain people selected from before they were born and everyone else actually had no gospel at all and were passed over by God with Jesus only dying for certain selected people and giving them life (prefaith regeneration) before ever believing in Him. You believed a perversion of the gospel and one that was certainly not for the whole world.
@@PsychoBibleno Calvinists believe a different gospel, unless they believe that the gospel is that God loves the world and gave His Son for the whole world making an atonement for the whole world that *anyone* can put their faith in Him and THEN be saved, but then that means they wouldn’t be Calvinists by necessity.
No they think that this “good news” was only for certain selected people and everyone else actually had no gospel at all and were passed over by God with Jesus only dying for certain selected people and giving them life (prefaith regeneration) before ever believing in Him. They believe a perversion of the gospel and one that was certainly not for the whole world.
Jordan's god is not capable of doing this.
Romans 9:18
[18]So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. (ESV)
It’s amusing to me that your handle name is by grace through faith, but Calvinism doesn’t teach this, they don’t believe we’re saved by grace through faith but rather saved by grace unto faith… regeneration preceding faith, meaning you don’t have to believe to be saved, you believe because you’ve already been regenerated ( a concept taught nowhere in scripture). If you’re a calvinite, I suggest changing your @
@letstalktech96 Interesting, You're criticizing calvinism which goes with grace.
it's sad you don't even understand calvinism
These 12 Points Summarize the Basic Reformed Faith:
1. Soli Deo Gloria - Glory of God Alone
2. Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
3. Solus Christus - Christ Alone
4. Sola Fide - Faith Alone
5. Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
6. Sovereignty of God
7. Holiness of God
8. Total Depravity (or Total Inability) .....Rom3:10-17
9. Unconditional Election
.....Rom8:29-30
10. Limited Atonement (definite Atonement)
....... John 10
11. Irresistible Grace
.......John 6:37, 39,44,45,65; Acts16:14
12. Perseverance of the Saints
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8 Oh the classic “ you don’t understand Calvinism”. Me and all the other none Calvinists just don’t understand, that’s why we reject it, right? Or we do understand, have studied it and have come to the conclusion that it’s unbiblical.
@@letstalktech96 Interesting, I hope your God is sovereign and almighty, that is the only God that I can glorify.
My God is also a potter.
It's a blessing we have the true and inspiring words of God.
God the Potter.
The God of the old Testament is the same in the New Testament.
• Jeremiah 18:1-11
• Isaiah 45:9
64:8
• Romans 9:19-24
• Jeremiah 18:1-9
The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD:“Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will let you hear my words.” So I went down to the potter's house, and there he was working at his wheel. And the vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter's hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to do.
Then the word of the LORD came to me: “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the LORD. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it,
Romans 9:21
[21] [c]Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump [d] one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Cross-references
[c]: Isa 64:8; Jer 18:6
[d]: 2 Tim 2:20
(ESV)
Marriages were arranged. The bride given by the Father to the groom.
Yes...He has chosen to do that for those who trust Hm . Yes exactly! But who trusts Him? Those with changed hearts through the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. After a man chooses to follow Christ they then must realize that choice was a work on their heart by the Holy Spirit. Men actually do make the choice . A real genuine choice. An actual decision.
That is why John Calvin said this!
No man is excluded from calling upon God; The gate of heaven is set open unto all men; neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save our own unbelief.
In one of your earlier videos (I'm sorry I've forgotten which one), you speak briefly to the Man-centered point and that you don't understand the problem of it especially because you are focused on Christ.
I agree you are focused on Christ. But, the entire meaning and concern of being God-centered or Man-centered is the perspective, not the focus.
So, since your perspective is Man-centered, it doesn't matter that you focus on God, your perspective is still wrong, so your premises are completely unreliable, and so your entire view is faulty, even in error. Your reasoning is thereby rife with fallacies. You have built on a foundation of sand.
Your initial point of being chosen "IN HIM" is very good, a very good challenge, even correction, to Calvinists, which then helps to prove that regeneration does not precede faith. I don't know of how else to define regeneration other than the process of initially being born again. Yet also, a different concept from regeneration, which is the drawing of the Father (John 6), does precede faith (or includes the giving of faith). Drawing does not equal regeneration.
Faith is a gift. Biblically. And with a consistent hermeneutic, especially when involving affirmations and denials.
That faith is a gift is crucial to understand for the stubborn non-Calvinist.
I understand Calvinism to have nothing to do with Calvin. Maybe the larger Reformed Theology does (of which I am not necessarily). I hold to the simple TULIP as Calvinism ... and then I suppose it expands with the paradox of God's sovereignance versus Human's obligation (responsibility... culpability, etc.).
You say you don't know much Greek. That is fine. There is no condemnation for that. Yet also, then, you cannot condemn Calvinism (TULIP) at all; because then you don't really know what you are talking about.
Fun fact: "to be" is actually in Eph 1:4, in the Greek.
A true slogan I say is: "Your Bible was translated by Arminians."
The Father chooses before time; the Father draws; God gives faith; the human hears; the human believes; God transforms /begets-again. All by grace.
We are saved BY grace, THROUGH faith. Grace is primary and superior and predominant.
The entire process (including faith) is a gift from God. (Eph 2:8-10.)
That faith may be a dominant topic in a book (like of John) does not mean that faith overrules grace. God responsibility (per se) is grace. Our responsibility is faith. God can take care of his responsibility without telling us much about it, he doesn't need to have a whole book of Scripture so that we can believe or approve of what is his responsibility. Yet we could use an entire book of Scripture speaking to what is our responsibility: faith. It is a fallacy to conclude that grace is subordinate to faith.
You spelled "lie from the pit of hell" wrong.
Excellent work brother, right on
Thanks!
Time amongst the guest could have been better dispersed.
This was only 1 hour out of 3 of this whole conversation which is linked in the video description.
Your free will isn’t god . God controls all .
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you *life and death* blessing and cursing: therefore *choose life* that both thou and thy seed may live:
{Deuteronomy 30:19}
THE QUESTION i like to ask calvinists: on a purely emotional/gut level, would you not prefer/wish that all people have an innate free will capable of accepting the Gospel?
if they say "NO", i see them as hard hearted, callous..
No. I’m calloused towards free will. I only believe in everything being God‘s will.
Upon hearing the gospel, how long was it until you believed? I.e. days, weeks, months, or years.
@Aletheia8054 according to you then free will, or the idea of it, is from God and a part of His will. Those who hold to it are only doing so, not because they want to, but because they were determined to.
@@jtcharland yes. You were determined to believe falsely in free will.
@aletheia8054 so why would you argue against it? It’s God’s will, according to you.
Picture this
The climax of the bride of Christ comes to fulfilment
Being paraded in front of all creation, for all to witness how beautiful the bride is
And how glorious and mighty and merciful God is
But, all this is done under the prompting of a “ shot gun wedding “
And Gods the father of the bride and He’s making this happen, no matter what
Yep
The most epic “ shotgun wedding “ in history.
Only Logical thinking believers will understand this analogy.
✌️
That’s a terrible analogy. God gives us the ability to have faith in Him. It is not something that we do unwillingly once we are redeemed so it is not a shotgun wedding. Oh, what a horror for God to compel people “against their will” to eternal salvation. I, for one, would much rather that God did not “force” me to live in His presence for all of eternity. It sounds so terrible.
@@ianjackson2696
My comment as an analogy is rejecting the Calvinist reality.
Jordan’s ideas are so off. It probably starts with a very unbiblical anthropology. Does he understand what it means to be fallen? Perhaps he believes in evolution?
Calvinist /reformers own your synthetic systematic roots of Augustine introduced gnosticism. mixed with scripture.Your beliefs Exposed like never before.
It's a blessing Calvinism beliefs are exposed through God's word.
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8 Indeed calvinisms beliefs are exposed as a lie and used by the satan from reading The Bible.
Synthetic systematic.
Echo chamber!
Synergism Is Not True
Define faith. You don’t therefore any point you make is invalid!
😂😂😂 still cannot debunk Calvinism.
your choice Knight
When all you can hear is "blah blah blah" no one can prove you wrong.
You have stopped your ears from hearing the truth.
This discussion is a waste of time. It will change no one’s mind on either side.
Tell me you're a calvinist without telling me you're a calvinist 😂
Is God required to follow the same laws He established for HIs creation? Is He bound by them as we ?
Your arguments are foolish and by necessity you are omitting whole areas of scripture where God is telling us that He is in complete control and even responsible. I am sorry but you only want half the picture and you want a God who is bound by the very laws that He has created. You are not thinking this through Biblically or logically. Only 1 autonomous being has been in existence for eternity and He knows the beginning to the end without error, chance, hope or reliance on anything other then the self contained power of His own existence.
Yes Lucas , any view of God regarding His power and rule over His creatures in the Biblical model of salvation is heretical when contrary to scripture, as Paul states very clearly.
Jordan, last year, I had asked you to tell me if God could have killed Hitler in WW1 and you did not answer. The answer of coarse is yes. But God choose to allow all the horror of WW2 in spite of the fact He had full prior knowledge of every single moment of evil that would be perpetrated before and during the actual events that occurred in time between 1939 and 1945. That God is not conforming to the definition you are trying to create for Him. Your system and presuppositions are not able to account for any action in our temporal world God has decreed to allow. Therefore, God has chosen to sustain the very creatures who are committing heinous acts of evil.
Only the Calvinist system ( the reformed system to be more accurate) has attempted to give us a proper explanation to account for this. Free will and molenism both fail.
God is not bound by anything He has commanded us to do. Only when you place this god, as existing in the same reality as the very creatures He has created is He required to do so.
No Dave but unless you think God changes, He cannot go against His nature. His nature He has defined in the scriptures. So if you start suggesting something that goes against the character of God, we don’t start redefining the character of God that He has ALREADY defined in His word…. We change the doctrine that is false. There are things that God CANNOT do because God does not change and He CANNOT deny Himself. God CANNOT lie and God CANNOT deceive. There are things God cannot do because there is no darkness in Him at all.
@@Loves2HugItOut You are exactly correct. God is angry at sin and is angry at sinners. God did not and does not cause anyone to sin and only men are guilty of those actions. But God created and sustains a world where all his attributes the bible teaches about Him are factored into the way we understand Him. He teaches that He is the primary cause of all things since He has chosen to create and sustain the very creatures He knew and knows will and do evil all the time. By His eternal timeless decree that is the world we exist in.
@@davevandervelde4799 is God lying or deceiving the world when He tells, commands, everyone in all the world to repent?
If I commanded my 7 year old student to start driving me 30 minutes to get to school every morning and warning him that he will be punished if he rejects me and my command, I would be lying to him since he actually doesn’t have this ability and I would be deceiving him because I’m telling him to do something (making him think he can) when I know good and well that he cannot.
So is God lying and deceiving the ones He has already unchangeably decided to pass over when He commands that they repent and believe the gospel?
Is God lying and deceiving the ones He has already unchangeably decided to pass over when He even tells them they have a GOSPEL in the first place?
If you say “well God can do things that man cannot do. He doesn’t need to be held to our standards of morality or goodness” that is being unreasonable because GOD is the one who has defined FOR US what lying and deceiving is and HE HAS SAID that those qualities are DARKNESS AND SIN. And there is no sin and no darkness in God. Doing such things is impossible for God.
@@Loves2HugItOut God has never ever forced someone to sin. God never forced Judas to sin but Judas fulfilled Gods decree perfectly by God's decretive will.
Simple stuff really
@@davevandervelde4799 ok but God decreed FOR Judas that he would most certainly sin in each and every specific way and Judas could do nothing other than what God had chosen for him to do. Judas could not do anything other than what God had picked for him to do. It was not like Judas had any other choice, he was doomed unchangeably, he was hopeless because God decreed it that way.
Arminianisams not true.
It's good thing we have the true and inspiring word of God
Can you explain arminianisms, what is this religion ?
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8 , it's the opposite of what they call Calvinism
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8 it's true, but we also need the Holy Spirit to enlighten the mind of our understanding
Can you explain the difference between arminianism, calvinism and open theism please ?
Calvinism IS TRUE.... see I can do this too 😊
Calvinism is Truly disgusting and another gospel. Sola de Manichaeism Gnostic wellspring.
@truthseeker5698 oh ... that is so original. And untrue. Here have a golf clap 👏 . Try telling the truth next time buddy.
@@mikegreene9137 You’re deceived Mike. Sola de can’t handle these facts regarding your cults wellspring.
@truthseeker5698 the moment you said gnostic you already disqualified yourself as having any intellectual honesty... so there is that. But have yourself a great night being thoroughly refuted. I mean since we don't even have to prove anything from scripture or an actual valid argumentation then I just claim victory and say goodnight. 😘
@@mikegreene9137 lol, deceived greene, denial distorts. I begin where your theology concludes.
Typical cultist denying basic history/facts. Sola de your choice Mike.
Please, please, take the time to read the Bible and take the time to know the Glorious work of God in the Bible.
Please come to know the almighty and sovereign God of the Bible, God spoke of Immanuel coming in old testament, the Lord Jesus Christ.(Isaiah 7:14)
The God of the Bible blessed the Apostle Paul in the womb before he was " in Christ " and set him apart. (GAL 1:15).
The sovereignty of God is the free exercise of His supreme authority in executing and administrating His eternal purposes. God must be sovereign if He is to be truly God. A god who is not sovereign is not God at all. Such is an imposter, an idol, a mere caricature formed in man’s fallen imagination. A god who is less than fully sovereign is not worthy of our worship, much less our witness. But the Bible proclaims for all to hear that “the Lord reigns” (Ps. 93:1). God is exactly who Scripture declares He is. He is the sovereign Lord of heaven and earth, whose supreme authority is over all. This is the main premise of Scripture.
Nowhere is God’s sovereignty more clearly demonstrated than in His salvation of the lost. God is free to bestow His saving mercy on whom He pleases. God says, “I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy” (Ex. 33:19b; Rom. 9:15). He is not obligated to extend His grace to any undeserving sinner. If He were to choose to save none, He would remain perfectly just. He might determine to save a few and still be absolutely holy. Or He could choose to save all. But God is sovereign, and that means He is entirely free to bestow His grace however He will-whether on none, few, or all.
From beginning to end, salvation is of God and, ultimately, for God. The apostle Paul writes, “From him and through him and to him are all things” (Rom. 11:36). In this comprehensive verse, God is declared to be the divine source, the determinative means, and the designated end of all things. This is most true in salvation. According to this text, every aspect of the operation of saving grace is God-initiated, God-directed, and God-glorifying. Every dimension of salvation is from Him, through Him, and to Him. This is to say, salvation originates from His sovereign will, proceeds through His sovereign activity, and leads to His sovereign glory.
AMEN, God IS Sovereign. Per Definition of "Soveriegn": "supreme power or authority."
What is NOT in the definition of sovereign is: "absolute deterministic power and meticulously controlling fate".
We can be assured that God is not a monster who created this world only to force some into heaven, and force others into Hell. How can this be "love"?
@kevinjypiter6445 how do we interpret God's will in Romans 9 ?
Romans 9:18
[18]So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. (ESV)
The debate between Self Determinists like Leighton and Jordon and Theistic Determinists (Calvinists) boils down to who has been born again from above and made an entirely new creature in the image of Christ by the effectual calling and power of Gods grace, and has the Spirit of Truth interpreting scripture for them, and those who don't.
Really boils down to that. Anyone with the Spirit understands the Words (the voice of their Shepherd) of the Lord. The Truth of the Words of God revealed by the Spirit of Truth are not given to unregenerates, even if they read the same exact scripture verses. Truth is an "unknown tongue" to them because they don't have the Interpretor, which IS the Spirit.
God is NOT discovered through carnal logic. The God of the Bible is illogical to unregenerates. If one understands the God of the Bible it's only because He chose to reveal His Truth to them according to the council of His will, and to the praise and glory of His effectual grace, and for His names sake.
The chosen of God will know Truth. And, as always has been, the non-elect will hate, persecute, and speak evil of Gods chosen because of their own condemnation. And, their condemnation IS revealed by their "mocking" Truth through "their truth."
That’s right. The God of the Bible is illogical to them. So they exchange the truth for a lie.
You pair of bottom dwelling reprobates both missed out on that mystical and in in both your cases that unproven call from above.
Only dogs relate and look for crumbs
Crumb crumb crumb
😂😂😂
@@aletheia8054 " is illogical" ?? aren't they blind and dead and unable to respond??? Hasn't God decreed them to this before the foundation of the world?
The Gospel is simple.
The Gospel is truly as simple as a marriage.
Everyone can understand how two humans join together in the unity of a marriage, but Calvinism shrugs in ignorance when seeing the marriage of Christ and the Church.
It's pitiful.
Calvinism creates a problem where none exists.
Can you unpack this more. Thanks for your insight I’m trying to learn
All Christian would believe in a covenant response of repentance and daily faith and the greatest command in the New Testament and in Abraham's faith, making him right before God. Jordan just worships a different God than the one in the Bible. He believes in " open theism "
Mark 12:30
[30]And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ (ESV)
Genesis 15:6
[6]And [i]he believed the LORD, and [j]he counted it to him as righteousness.
Cross-references
[i]: Rom 4:9, 22; Gal 3:6; Jas 2:23
[j]: Rom 4:3; Ps 106:31
(ESV)
Jordan, please, please come to know the God of the Bible, spend some time reading the Bible and come to know the God of the Bible. The Bible clearly speaks of God as almighty, sovereign, and the potter.
It's a blessing we have the true and inspiring word of God.
Maybe you can read 1 Corinthians 7:14 and ask your self why God has a Holy 8 day old baby.
Maybe you can understand the blessings of Christ to a sanctified 8 day old baby in 1 Corinthians 7:14.
Please understand the blessing of God the Apostle Paul had before he was " in Christ"
He was set apart in the womb Galatians 1:15.
Jordan does know the God of the Bible, the one who loves all, died for all, and wants all to be saved. There honestly is no good news in Calvinism. Having spent 3 years in a stealth Calvinist church as it was under wraps, the one thing I simply did not see was genuine joy within the church. I love the Calvinists, but absolutely cannot understand how they view God as someone who does not allow us to choose Christ (I know, it takes away God's glory by giving us a choice.) To anyone reading this, Jesus died for all and LOVES all. Now it's your choice to accept or reject the free gift he is offering.
@@Jesusisking235 you did not listen to this video. Jordan does not believe in the God of the Bible.
He just confessed that blessing only come to those " in Christ"
The God of the Bible says Christ Sanctification is also for 8 day old babies ( 1 Corinthians 7:14 ). Every Christian would believe that the blessings of Sanctification comes from the Lord Jesus Christ and the Bible states that 8 day old babies are Holy.
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8 where does it say eight day old children?
@@ByGracethroughFaithEph.2.8it also says the unbelieving wife is "sanctified." 1 Corinthians 7 is talking about marriage and divorce, not eternal gifts given to people.
In the context, 1 Corinthians 7:14 is Paul addressing the "cleanness" or "uncleanness" of unbelieving family members of believers. Paul answers this question in these verses: "Since I believe in Jesus, should I divorce my unbelieving spouse because they are unbelieving?" Paul's response is "no, it is not unclean for you to be married to a non believer, since you were married before you came to Christ. Because you are a believer, God has set apart your unbelieving spouse, and has made your children clean through you, being a believer. So don't divorce them. But if they leave you, let them leave. You aren't enslaved anymore."
(Paraphrased).
Context is important, friend!
It is beyond arrogant to tell a Christian man who does not ascribe to Calvinism that you urge him to please, please come to know God. This is typical Calvinist tripe…just please stop already.
PLEASE, please stop lying about the Bible ! The Lord Jesus Christ blessed 8 day old babies and Sanctified them. The Lord Christ Jesus has the power of Sanctification even to 8 day old babies ( 1 CORINTHIANS 7:14).
I think you're missing the point of the word sanctification in that passage. Paul is not referring to the doctrine of sanctification. Otherwise it would make no sense that the unbelieving wife or husband is sanctified. The Bible uses the word sanctification in multiple senses. You must understand the context with each usage.
@@undergroundpublishing
your saying that sanctification does not come from the Lord Jesus Christ ?
Why does God want a holy household and a holy assembly at the church ?
@undergroundpublishing 1Cor7:14
The Apostle Paul is talking about 8 day old babies being Holy. That's the hole point. The Lord Jesus Christ sanctifies the household.
The whole point is that the Lord Jesus Christ sanctified the household. That's the point of Sanctification, it can only come from the Lord Jesus Christ.
@@undergroundpublishing Context is kryptonite to calvinism.
The cult indoctrination infects so much of a person, as evidenced by original poster.
Another video strengthening Gods chosen.
Yep the elect hear the truth, even when the liars are preaching
How does this strengthen you?
18:47 Jordon says there was a point in time he was not in Christ.
All Gods elect where in Christ in the foreknowledge of God before creation before Christ left the glory of heaven and became flesh on earth. We were crucified and buried with Him 2000 years ago, and at the appointed time Christ revealed Himself in us in regeneration.
That's the biblical Gospel of Gods effectual grace.
Amen.