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Dumb Decisions | The WORST 4th and 9 Run EVER | Bart Starr | Packers @ Giants (1983)
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- čas přidán 20. 02. 2021
- Remember when Freddie Kitchens called a draw on 4th and 9 in a 2019 game between the Cleveland Browns and Los Angeles Rams? Somehow, that was not even the worst 4th and 9 run of all-time. In a 1983 Monday Night Football game between the Green Bay Packers and New York Giants, head coach Bart Starr found a way to top that. This is a breakdown of that dumb decision
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The Eddie Lee Ivery joke was gold 👌
Yes, that was like classic era Dan Patrick, Rich Eisen, Stuart Scott sports center banter.
Smooth
What would he do with Ben Jarvis Green Eli's?
JG9 drinking game:
1. Take a shot whenever JG9 says "To put that into context, if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every play, you would have a better quarterback rating than he had in that game"
2. Don't die
Or any time the strike season comes up
Or any time he mentions Matt Bahr
He even has 39.6 on his merch
13,663 days ago.
37 years, 4 months, 25 days ago.
I'll stop when you stop SCOTT.
Scott's as much of a tradition to this channel as "context" and "spike the ball into the ground on every single play"! 💯
Bart had a chance to coach under Tom Landry in the early 70’s after he retired. Landry could have taught Starr how to win as a coach since the game was changing from the 1960’s. Unfortunately, Starr felt a loyalty to the Packers and accepted their offer to coach for Green Bay.
Us Packers fans have blocked out the Starr coaching years and remember Starr for the great QB he was.
RIP #15!!
Do you also block out what a SHITTY Quarterback Bart Starr was BEFORE Vince Lombardi became his coach?
@@chadwickwhite6107 That’s an interesting point. The situation in GB was such a cluster F with the bad coaches prior to Lombardi. They even had Hornung playing QB even though he was a true HB (Yes, he played QB at ND but had no business playing QB in the NFL).
Taking all of this into consideration, I’ll give pre-Lombardi Starr a pass.
Starr got fired after the season. I initially heard it was the result of the porous defense after Starr let DT Mike Butler go to the USFL. However, I can’t help but think this decision had something to do with his dismissal.
You said you’d say more about the Browns decision? Future video? Anticipation!
Starr’s firing had more to do with the fact that he’d been there nine years and had only two winning seasons to show for it (one of which was the 9-game 1982 strike season; the other being the 8-7-1 1978 season where the Packers started out 6-2 and collapsed down the stretch).
Starr got 9 years basically because of his GB career. Most coaches would have been out after 3-4 years. Nowadays 1-2 years.
Man, Starr was a legit great QB in every way but as a head coach the man was totally out of his depth. It's kind of sad because for a brief period they had an offense that on its own would've at least garnered them more than one stinkin' playoff appearance. Of course, Dickey's star crossed career had a lot to do with that.
That play call was egregious on every level. I have to hope he made the decision to go for the 4th down play but he wasn't the one to actually MAKE that call. I mean the man was a QB I think he'd know just how ridiculously hard it would be to gain 9 yards on the ground with HUCKLEBY of all people getting the ball.
Oh well....
That's why great players rarely if ever make good head coaches/managers
@@bobma6342 Can't disagree with that. The number of great players who've made good head coaches/managers can be listed on one hand.
Love the announcers on the call. "Boy, Barty's upset." "Can't say I blame him."
Uhhh, yes tf you can?! He called a run play in a brutally clear run package on 4th-and-long! That alone, even before the analytics from earlier in the game, deserves blame on Bart Starr.
EDIT: Just got to the part about the announcers laughing about it. Lol, nvm
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I see what GB was doing, they thought the Giants would all stand there dumbfounded going "wtf, are they seriously running it"
Starr was great winning quarterback but not a very good coach. That play call was about as bad as any call...even Gifford and the announcers are laughing at the call. "Never run the ball on 4th and 9"....lot's of "stupid" in this game. Love the "stupid" elements of your analysis--That was great :)
7 people saw the comment you went so in depth in writing lmao
I've seen a draw play on a 4th and 15. Emmitt Smith would take it 25 yards for a touchdown in the Cowboys 24-21 upset win over the previously unbeaten WFT in '92
Thank you Jags
Harlan Huckleby ? I think they would have been better off giving it to Mike Huckabee.......
When you think of "Vince Lombardi's" Packers from the 1960's, Starr is probably the first name that comes to mind
I lived in Ann Arbor as a kid in the ‘70s, and, aside from having one of the best names ever, Harlan Huckleby was good when he was at Michigan (Go Blue!). Not so good in the NFL, though.😕
I laughed my ass off at how he pronounced Ali Haji-Sheik... not at all how it was pronounced when he played (al lee Hah gee) . Then I realized he may be saying it right and nobody back in the day bothered to check with the player...
Love the dreamy music in the second half of this video. BTW, this is the first video in a while where I didn't hear "we need some context". I've come to like that phrase in your storytelling :D
This is a very interesting series. I was wondering in your intro segment of Dumb Decisions you show a series of clips. One of these is of a Head Coach throwing his clipboard in disgust and another yelling at a player named Maui'a. I was wondering who the Head Coaches were. I think the 2nd clip was of John Madden. Take care.
First one is Bill Belichick (throwing clipboard), second is Rex Ryan, third one is John Gruden. And the coach yelling at Maui'a is Ken Whisenhunt.
@@jamesage24 thanks.
They had given up at that point. No other explanation.
What's NUTS is in 1983 GB Packers averaged more yard per pass (8.9 YPA) than any team in the NFL. So if GB threw a pass and just hit their average distance they would have been right at the first down marker. James Lofton averaged 22.4 YPC that season. We also had who might be the best TE in Packer history Paul Coffman and his 11 TD's and over 800 yards in 1983.
Last thing... If your going to run the ball don't use your short yardage back. Gerry Ellis Average 4.9 Y/A in '83 while Huckleby Averaged 3.6 Y/A. Bart Starr HOF QB but dud of a HC.
Freddie Kichens standing at the podium flanked by Drug Mark, which is flanked by the Cleveland Browns says it all.
I was at that Falcon's game! My friend Gary and I.
Star also made a decision in the last game of that season that might make a good video. Needing to win to make the playoffs, the Packers were clinging to a one point lead, and the Bears had driven to the 12. They had all three timeouts but used none of them. Bears kick the field goal, Packers lose, Starr fired after eight seasons and one winning year. According to Wikipedia, so you would want to confirm that, of course.
While this decision is dumb it's still not as stupid as lafleur kicking a field goal in the 2020 nfc title game
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@@OfficialJaguarGator9 very good. I'll see u on patreon. Awesome channel
Does running up the middle ever actually work? I'm pretty sure my grandmother kept track of every time the Steelers tried this and couldn't remember any time they got more than 1 yard.
I just watched the game. Two things need attention. Huckelby was not a good runner, true. But he was their receiver out of the backfield. Putting in Ivory would only be telegraphing a run. Still a terrible call though. You play to your strengths. Lofton, Jefferson, and Coffman were all fantastic possession receivers. Second, Bart Starr looked livid. The call was made by OC Bob Schnelker, as the announcers pointed out later.
Is running the ball on 4th & 9 a good idea? I don't think you had enough emphasis on that.
I love seeing the Packers fail big
Then you must love Aaron Rodgers (with the exception of that one year).
Must be a bears/lions/bucs fan…..🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
38 Years Ago
RUNNING THE BALL ON FOURTH AND NINE IS STUPID!!!!!!
Do you have a video on the Seahawks’ decision to pass at the end of Super Bowl XLIX? I think that’s the stupidest coaching decision in NFL History
Yes because Brady's last two TD passes *totally* weren't from inside the 5 or anything............
Just a shitty read by a so-called "elite" QB
Narrator sounds very annoying.