SWISS A340 Business Class - Montreal to Zürich

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  • čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
  • Marking the first international trip since April, my friend Lauren and I take a SWISS A340-300 in their newly refurbished Business Class on our way to England for a work trip. At the time of this flight, Swiss was one of the very few airlines to still offer their full range of on-board service on trans-Atlantic flights. This being the case, on top of the fact that our flight was very empty, it made for a very comfortable red-eye flight.
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    Filmed September 19th, 2020
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    Eugene the Accountant: / eugene_otsuka
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    Timecodes:
    00:00 - Intro
    02:35 - Montreal Airport
    04:44 - Cabins
    05:34 - Seat Tour
    08:40 - Taxi & Takeoff
    09:28 - Wifi
    09:53 - Bathrooms
    10:38 - Dinner
    12:37 - Bed
    13:19 - Beauty Shots
    14:40 - Amenity Kit
    15:13 - In-Flight Entertainment
    17:05 - Breakfast
    17:55 - Final Thots
    Songs Used (In Order):
    Flares - Jones Meadow
    Turkish Booze - Romano
    Homesless Soul (Instrumental) - Fleurs Douces
    High Noon - Toby Tranter
    Cornelia (Luwaks Remix) - The Eastern Plain
    Shinigami - SINY
    Changli - Ooyy
    Something Crazy (Instrumental) - Particle House
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Komentáře • 670

  • @dallaz9492
    @dallaz9492 Před 3 lety +317

    The only fan joke was smoothly underrated

  • @stevenreichertart
    @stevenreichertart Před 3 lety +85

    “I was quite hungover on this flight.”
    “How were the bathrooms?”
    LOL I enjoy your humor immensely!

  • @BooredAtWork
    @BooredAtWork Před 3 lety +199

    I see Eugene in every flight. I need to be an account too 😂. Solid video man!

    • @shepherdsgamingrun
      @shepherdsgamingrun Před 3 lety

      You need to double-check Eugene's last name, then Google it to see if it matches with a famous mathematician.

    • @mistersir3185
      @mistersir3185 Před 2 lety +1

      Eaaassyyy Cowboy...

  • @gtmc
    @gtmc Před 3 lety +232

    I love the way you do your videos. They're relaxing to watch, detailed and informative yet concise. If there's a section I'm not interested in hearing, I can just look at the bottom and skip it-a highly disregarded feature that more informative CZcams channels should start using. Keep it up! 👍🤩

    • @VicariousVoyager
      @VicariousVoyager  Před 3 lety +49

      Glad to hear your appreciation for the chapter timecodes, will continue to add them! I personally find them really useful for long tutorials

  • @jasonq4816
    @jasonq4816 Před 3 lety +858

    Okay, can someone please explain to me how on this earth or any other planet does my man here has only 35K subscribers but SamChui has 2.33M subs? Bruh, keep up the quality work and don't become a sellout like Sam!

    • @paulweiss1191
      @paulweiss1191 Před 3 lety +19

      dude im telling ya ive been wondering the same thing !!

    • @patrickmalejana3564
      @patrickmalejana3564 Před 3 lety +23

      Heyyy another Sam hater lol you guys need a new hobby

    • @depuntoapuntoenelmundo2408
      @depuntoapuntoenelmundo2408 Před 3 lety +26

      What's wrong with Sam Chui?

    • @henrikhan3824
      @henrikhan3824 Před 3 lety +58

      No hate on Sam, but his videos really do not compare to VV's

    • @jasonq4816
      @jasonq4816 Před 3 lety +23

      @@depuntoapuntoenelmundo2408 umm, let me write nice things about airlines if they comp my flights!

  • @Koothi-bj2pn
    @Koothi-bj2pn Před 3 lety +201

    this dude is so underrated holy smokes

    • @paulweiss1191
      @paulweiss1191 Před 3 lety +2

      gotta spread the channel !

    • @user-fs6qz6fw3h
      @user-fs6qz6fw3h Před 3 lety

      @@paulweiss1191 Agree!! Good contents which needs more attenetion

    • @dotoroyuriha7411
      @dotoroyuriha7411 Před 2 lety +2

      cba with the blatantly fake way he talks

    • @ohmygodaxel
      @ohmygodaxel Před 2 lety

      @@dotoroyuriha7411 he claims to fly around for business. reality is he's flying around on daddy chang's dime

  • @fecardona
    @fecardona Před 3 lety +64

    The smart comments, the low volume music, the expletives. Love these good mature reviews. Quality over quantity.

    • @jeanbolduc5818
      @jeanbolduc5818 Před 8 měsíci

      Smart comment ? you mean racist comment ... we are not french from France in Montreal but Canadian ... We are not vazy ... this guy is extrelely ignorant and racist.

  • @RalleMB
    @RalleMB Před 3 lety +189

    I love that you ask permission to take pictures. Many other CZcams airline reviewer doesn't do that and upload videos without staff and pasengers permission to take their pictures

    • @henrikhan3824
      @henrikhan3824 Před 3 lety +21

      If you didn't notice, he takes the time to blur out the staff's faces too.

    • @Boodieman72
      @Boodieman72 Před 3 lety +5

      It could be that they do ask they just don't show that part.

    • @RalleMB
      @RalleMB Před 3 lety +3

      @@Boodieman72 So you say that they ask every staff member and passengers 🤔. You can see a lot of them feeling very uncomfortable to beeing recorded.

    • @Boodieman72
      @Boodieman72 Před 3 lety +1

      @@RalleMB I said they could of asked.

    • @emercycrite
      @emercycrite Před 3 lety +1

      Calm down.

  • @46kevs
    @46kevs Před 3 lety +9

    I just came across your 'vlog' today and you immediately became my favourite airline geek. Your interjection of sarcastic humour makes your videos a joy to watch.

  • @lobsterbar
    @lobsterbar Před 3 lety

    when the the indulgence is there...always a wow. factor....presenter had a comforting way...you’re blessed

  • @carmiliongr
    @carmiliongr Před 3 lety +4

    Don't know what i am more surprised with, the soothing voice, or the articulate narration? Perfect.

    • @sayit-sayit
      @sayit-sayit Před 3 lety

      Right? I love his videos. No shouting in my ears. Earbud and headphone safe videos. Love it. Makes me want to fly more.

  • @lordwizrak1905
    @lordwizrak1905 Před 3 lety +51

    Looks like keeping you in quarantine makes you edit fast.

  • @EnvyDesignGroup
    @EnvyDesignGroup Před 3 lety +4

    I really like your content. For no real particular reason. It's just easy watching and you're well researched and genuine. Keep up the good work

  • @FF-nl2br
    @FF-nl2br Před 3 lety +7

    This video was great but Lauren and her pants were hands down my favourite. Bonus points for people thinking owning fake leather and eating meat are mutually exclusive. loved it 10/10

  • @Wilma.Flintstone
    @Wilma.Flintstone Před 3 lety +11

    It's so sad and eerie to see airports so empty these days :( . And, I really appreciate you asking the flight attendant if it's okay to take video on board, not a lot of vloggers do that

  • @chrisshimizu308
    @chrisshimizu308 Před 3 lety +2

    the humor and the editing are so on point. this channel was made with my brain in mind

  • @guruoflove3083
    @guruoflove3083 Před 2 lety +3

    Great show! Steady volume, never overbearing or distracting. Soothing narration. Thorough and descriptive. Great cinematography too. One of the best airline VLOGs I've seen in a VERY long time. TY.
    Good Job!
    I'm flying that class and airline very soon and your video made it possible not having to see two or three more vids. 👍💪

  • @dhammarosi
    @dhammarosi Před 3 lety +6

    Wow, a new video from Tiezheng! Always an early christmas gift! 😍

  • @StevoE7
    @StevoE7 Před 3 lety +20

    Hilarious as always...”and our plane has the upgraded engines...”
    The animation got me 🤣

  • @rafaelocasio4670
    @rafaelocasio4670 Před 3 lety +2

    I've just recently "discovered" and I am enjoying your CZcams vlogs. I have to say, in all sincerity, you've simply the BEST FM radio style voice narration I've ever heard.

  • @tokodan
    @tokodan Před 3 lety +2

    The beauty shots (13:18) made me tear up. That sunrise, and the music go together so well!

  • @charlesandersson390
    @charlesandersson390 Před 3 lety +1

    This is the best trip reports I ever seen. Being paid commercial or not, very high quality and very entertaining!

  • @jbiz1234
    @jbiz1234 Před 3 lety

    Your sarcasm and quick sense of humor may be what can set you apart from the 1.5trillion other travel vids. Enjoyed this! Thx

  • @tonyabc
    @tonyabc Před 3 lety +3

    Amazing quality as always. I enjoyed every second of it.

  • @Kvk_007
    @Kvk_007 Před 3 lety +5

    Dude you channel is seriously underrated considering how entertaining your videos are. Hope you get more subs, keep up the good work.

  • @Sanznachito
    @Sanznachito Před 3 lety +6

    Another exceptional flight experience and review. Swiss was absolutely on point (they must take such pride, if any of their teams view this review....)as were the editing, animations and humour! I was going to pick up on the point that Lauren wearing vegan trousers opted for the beef, but this would be old news. I cannot wait to watch your First Class review, considering just how enjoyable business class looked. Hope Lauren enjoyed her time in Europe and thanks once again for all your hard work in bringing this review to us. 👍

  • @upayanmukherjee8777
    @upayanmukherjee8777 Před 2 lety +1

    I just love your videos. Smart, pleasantly sarcastic and and a joy to watch...

  • @brazindubai
    @brazindubai Před 3 lety +2

    Best flight reviewing channel out there. By far!

  • @kyleraftery3268
    @kyleraftery3268 Před 2 lety +1

    Where have you been my whole life? Seriously. Love your humour. Filming, editing and narration is all brilliant.

  • @elliotstarkey3014
    @elliotstarkey3014 Před 3 lety +1

    Why can't I like this twice?! Thank you, this was an excellent video (like all your others) and I look forward to future ones!

  • @mariageorgas
    @mariageorgas Před 3 lety +12

    Great vlog! Lauren is my favourite part!

  • @dotlovedot
    @dotlovedot Před 3 lety +1

    This was an especially valuable review. Really smooth narrative and easy to follow. Fantastic work!

  • @arukshun2710
    @arukshun2710 Před 3 lety

    Time really flies when watching these awesome videos! Keep up the great work man!

  • @naveenl86
    @naveenl86 Před 3 lety

    Another awesome video as always - easily my favourite aviation CZcamsr by a mile! Keep up the great work!

  • @ToldieHopla
    @ToldieHopla Před 3 lety +1

    I wish 2021 was as good as quality of the content on this channel.

  • @maggie1253
    @maggie1253 Před 3 lety +2

    “..and despair..”. I laughed out loud when you said that!!!

  • @vaibhavgrover199
    @vaibhavgrover199 Před 3 lety

    Okay you are already my favourite aviation blogger, and I follow a LOT of them!

  • @143matsujun
    @143matsujun Před 2 lety +16

    Haven't flown with SwissAir but I only have good things to say about them. My boyfriend flew with them last year from Zurich to DXB. Now due to covid, Dubai requires a PCR test which he had but was not translated in English or Arabic so he was not allowed to board the plane. It was entirely our fault for not checking thoroughly but heck.. Swiss air gave him a hotel voucher to stay for the night and even had his flight rebooked ALL FREE OF COST!!!

  • @zoltan902
    @zoltan902 Před 3 lety

    The Swiss business and first class design is eye-poppingly sleek and elegant.

  • @johnt6022
    @johnt6022 Před 3 lety

    This video is hands down, one of the very best I've seen. I was getting sick of watching reviews which all they do is complain complain and complain ( aka Josh Cahill). I'd love to see more!!!

  • @leelicayan2549
    @leelicayan2549 Před 2 lety

    This is number 10 of the episodes I binged

  • @Otter928
    @Otter928 Před 3 lety +3

    I love it when people ask the crew for their permission before taking any pictures or videos inflight.

  • @AviationLF
    @AviationLF Před 3 lety +2

    Flew already the new cabin onboard swiss a340 last year, was quite surprised that they didn't downgraded the service on long haul flight during these time! Nice video as always ;)

  • @Flyspotter19
    @Flyspotter19 Před 3 lety

    Fantastic video! Absolutely beautiful shots on that approach and the wing view was perfect. Well done sir

  • @moritzlindenthal
    @moritzlindenthal Před 6 měsíci

    I really wanna thank you for not filming the crew or blurring the faces if they were on the video by accident! I really appreciate this as a flight attendant! Safe travels! :)

  • @brigittelehmann9749
    @brigittelehmann9749 Před 3 lety +1

    lovely to see you again as i enjoy the flights with you greetings

  • @endyformisano2343
    @endyformisano2343 Před 3 lety +34

    9:50 you bough the wifi? or bella thorne's only fans? just curious lol

  • @jmproductions7731
    @jmproductions7731 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice vid! I always look forward to when you upload! Can't wait for your next adventure!

  • @christian-jakobgrasl
    @christian-jakobgrasl Před 3 lety +1

    That’s one perfect trip report !!!! WooooooW
    Take care, greetings from Vienna, Austria

  • @sitchad
    @sitchad Před 3 lety +1

    Lauren, you are a cutie and a great addition to the videos not that the videos need anything but beauty is always appreciated.

  • @djvolt.us1
    @djvolt.us1 Před 3 lety

    The segmentation is great. Easy to navigate through your videos and jump straight to food section 🙂

  • @cee8226
    @cee8226 Před 3 lety

    “I was quite hungover on this flight.”
    Ayyy, slammer spotted!!! (only james asquith fans can relate)
    Love your videos!!!

  • @lennrad
    @lennrad Před 3 lety +1

    Wow, this is a amazing travel video with the high class animations! Thumbs up!

  • @JoshCahill
    @JoshCahill Před 3 lety +373

    What would you call a plane with 5 engines?

    • @VicariousVoyager
      @VicariousVoyager  Před 3 lety +328

      Overkill. I'd call it overkill.

    • @Boodieman72
      @Boodieman72 Před 3 lety +38

      Well, as the plane and an APU, it does have 5 engines.

    • @conxptexe
      @conxptexe Před 3 lety +8

      @@Boodieman72 kinda but not really

    • @aylyi-huh9355
      @aylyi-huh9355 Před 3 lety +6

      @@VicariousVoyager the title of Josh's next video

    • @VicariousVoyager
      @VicariousVoyager  Před 3 lety +43

      It also has a RAT so that’s -1 engines 🙃

  • @TheChampy2012
    @TheChampy2012 Před 3 lety

    Soooooo awesome to see and hear your vids again!!!! 👍🏻💕💕

  • @DirtyBlueshirtAU
    @DirtyBlueshirtAU Před 3 lety +8

    I flew KLM from LAX-AMS-DXB at the start of September, and their Business Class service is pretty close to normal as well. it was a very nice flight, and equally empty between North America and Europe. Swiss is still on my list to do, though their flight to Dubai was twice the cost of KLM.

  • @doublebass1966
    @doublebass1966 Před 3 lety +7

    Thanks for sharing. Brought back fond memories of my 2 former employers, Air Canada & Swiss where I got retrenched due to their restructure.
    Happy that They are still flying & proud to be part of them before. Swiss, on most routes, offers very tasty meals. They’re good at culinary. One of the very few that offered warm bread rolls. They are one of the best European carriers that offers consistent good crew service. As you said & as usual, you’re cynically annoying 😜 it’s in your blood.

  • @bobbymuller55
    @bobbymuller55 Před 3 lety

    I just love watching your vlogs .Would be an honor to travel anywhere with you one day .Your voice is so relaxing to listen to also .Homebound here with a foot injury so I plan on watching everyone of your vlogs.Keep up the fantastic work.

  • @sayit-sayit
    @sayit-sayit Před 3 lety

    Right at the end there... You're so funny. Again, another perfect video. Thank you.

  • @Alfextreme007
    @Alfextreme007 Před 2 lety

    Swiss Business Class looks beautiful! Fantastic video!

  • @justnothing2029
    @justnothing2029 Před 3 lety

    Your videos are so amazing, so underrated

  • @gamerasf6083
    @gamerasf6083 Před rokem

    Cleanliness is next to Godliness.. Watch all the vids multiple times. My favorite is the Swiss Air First Class video.

  • @Annie6460
    @Annie6460 Před rokem

    I did business class from Singapore to Zurich and the cabin crew/ service / food/ sleep was truely impeccable. Would not hesitate flying Swiss again. ❤️🇦🇺

  • @Proteus007
    @Proteus007 Před rokem +2

    Agree completely with your reference at 12:25 to enjoying a glass of Port wine. I had the privilege of enjoying a decade-old Tawny on a Lufthansa FFH-YYZ Business class flight last month and it was excellent for flavour, even at that altitude. If you are a history buff like myself, look up the history of how port came to be located in Portugal, and it’s fascinating connection with the wars between the English and the French. Keep up the effort on graphics, useful time stamps, and the pithy commentary.

  • @gilbertnicholas1582
    @gilbertnicholas1582 Před 3 lety

    First time seeing one of your vids 👍👍Great commentary and good background music Keep up the great work

  • @ImperialPilot27
    @ImperialPilot27 Před 3 lety

    Your humor really hits the right notes with me. It's by far what makes your channel one of my favorites. I've taken that particular flight couple times while I lived in YUL. Having been previously based in MIA, I just disliked how short the flight was. At least from MIA with an 8h flight you can managed 4-5h of solid sleep. From YUL, I left you get 2h if you're lucky. Arrive in ZRH feeling like a zombie.

  • @tonytowers5889
    @tonytowers5889 Před 3 lety

    Really enjoyed this. First time I've seen you. I like your presentation and wit. Subscribed!

  • @cgallagher5023
    @cgallagher5023 Před 3 lety

    the sunrise from the window(s) - around 13 to 14 minutes in ... Wow!

  • @deanabrake7495
    @deanabrake7495 Před 3 lety

    I came across ur videos couple days ago. U are so funny and hilarious to listen to. Way to go!! Im a fan!!!

  • @brookeintheair
    @brookeintheair Před 2 měsíci

    Brilliant and yes, permission is a must

  • @normanmcleod7169
    @normanmcleod7169 Před 2 lety +1

    A340...one of my favourite 'planes for comfort

  • @murat.kirr_45
    @murat.kirr_45 Před 3 lety

    I love that all my favourite travel youtubers seem to be coming to Zurich :))

  • @ma8530
    @ma8530 Před 9 měsíci

    Thanks for showing the Throne.

  • @chesco711
    @chesco711 Před 3 lety +338

    Vegan pants and orders the beef option. Respect.

    • @dhammarosi
      @dhammarosi Před 3 lety +6

      Haha, my thoughts exactly

    • @cityuser
      @cityuser Před 3 lety +11

      Fuck cows

    • @theepicfailgamer6317
      @theepicfailgamer6317 Před 3 lety +11

      Ur typical double standard human being

    • @lilyandpad6382
      @lilyandpad6382 Před 3 lety +20

      I believe they’re just “leather like” but do not use any animal products- brands use vegan leather as a term to probably replace the term “pleather” lol

    • @sattu2308
      @sattu2308 Před 3 lety

      Hahaha... exactly

  • @avgeek578156
    @avgeek578156 Před 3 lety

    wow, awesome trip report, hope you had a good flight

  • @pimlico3225
    @pimlico3225 Před 2 lety

    You have a really pleasant voice, very calming. Also nice video, thanks!

  • @TravelWithDan
    @TravelWithDan Před 3 lety

    A great TR. I flew JMA last year, sadly only from London to Heathrow so it was nice to see her doing a long haul. Subscribed!

  • @carlvincent12
    @carlvincent12 Před 3 lety +4

    Everyone’s favorite flyboi

  • @epicpanda106
    @epicpanda106 Před 3 lety

    Awesome vlogs i was bored amd your awesome videos came on my suggestions now I'm watching all

  • @lobsterbar
    @lobsterbar Před 3 lety

    Presenter has a great voice inflection, maybe comforting but you feel well informed

  • @mdiallo8849
    @mdiallo8849 Před rokem

    Love this mans humor

  • @axelmoussavi8233
    @axelmoussavi8233 Před 3 lety

    Let's go! Little cameo of a Croatian Airlines plane right after the landing there!

  • @godrakull
    @godrakull Před 3 lety

    Great Video. As usual.

  • @Traveltheme706
    @Traveltheme706 Před 3 lety +2

    The Swiss A340 looks very nice

  • @peacebethejourney1
    @peacebethejourney1 Před 3 lety

    Love your work dude

  • @Eyob797
    @Eyob797 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice flight report.

  • @maplelief_dreaming
    @maplelief_dreaming Před 2 lety

    I love the editing.

  • @sunrayz81
    @sunrayz81 Před 3 lety

    Love the A340s! 😀👍

  • @yosmch
    @yosmch Před 3 lety +1

    Lovely end!

  • @dexstef1
    @dexstef1 Před 3 lety +2

    Good work young man. Another Sam Chooi in the making, you have your style, keep it up, please highlight the food at the lounges and plane more... We miss flying no thanks to covid. We miss suffing ourselves with reasonably good to delicious food.
    Take Care Be Safe Be Well...

  • @ameyab930
    @ameyab930 Před 3 lety +12

    Just 40 secs into the video and this dude blows me away with that awesome night to day transition on the map!
    Full use of your animation skills there.

    • @henrikhan3824
      @henrikhan3824 Před 3 lety +4

      I love how he makes little technical additions to his videos each time, and I'm still super impressed that he does all the editing, writing, animations himself. A very talented man indeed.

  • @R1S0.
    @R1S0. Před 3 lety

    14:42 i think that amenity kit is awesome. also bottle holder is so simple yet effective thing to have.

  • @MrMichael007mc
    @MrMichael007mc Před 3 lety

    The video footage was Krispy this week!! Great job with the cinematic shots!! Really made my Friday as I haven’t had a flight review in awhile. Thanks for everything and have a great day. P.S I asked Alvin to get with you on setting up a live stream and he said he would reach out to you. Hold him accountable. From San Antonio, TX Mike

  • @martinraxyz
    @martinraxyz Před 3 lety

    The last few seconds...cracked me up! I forgot about that chap!

  • @MaTaDor1314
    @MaTaDor1314 Před 3 lety

    Party hardy Lauren before international flight!!

  • @TheFS10show
    @TheFS10show Před 3 lety +1

    I'm a frequent flier on the Swiss Business class, Bangkok-Zurich-Bangkok on their 777s, sometimes i'm lucky enough to be bumped into first!

  • @jcbaily5559
    @jcbaily5559 Před 2 lety

    That cabin really looked "busy" and complicated....thanks!

  • @iftikhark1
    @iftikhark1 Před 3 lety +6

    Your editing skills have improved a lot. Keep it up!!

  • @shayneoflaherty3488
    @shayneoflaherty3488 Před 3 lety +166

    Vegan leather? So that's leather made from vegans?

    • @lilyandpad6382
      @lilyandpad6382 Před 3 lety +18

      You would think, but surprisingly no

    • @shayneoflaherty3488
      @shayneoflaherty3488 Před 3 lety +9

      @@lilyandpad6382 Gotta be honest, I'm a little relieved, but also a little disappointed.

    • @waltertomashefsky2682
      @waltertomashefsky2682 Před 3 lety +11

      Somebody finally found a good use for vegans😆

    • @joesephstylin1577
      @joesephstylin1577 Před 3 lety +2

      @@lilyandpad6382 So what do you call the leather made from vegans then?

    • @lilyandpad6382
      @lilyandpad6382 Před 3 lety +3

      @@joesephstylin1577 I believe it would still be leather haha. herbivores are technically vegan