As someone who has worked in IT, buffer time is actually very important - because something almost always goes wrong. Though we called it less "buffer time" and more the "oh shit! allowance." And you learn very quickly that "server maintenance should take 30 min if nothing goes wrong - oops, we need an additional 2 hours" is far less acceptable to higher ups than, "server time will take 2 hrs - oh wait, we got done in 30!" Really leadership has nobody to blame for this phenomena but themselves. (No joke, we once had a catastrophic failure - so bad there was no ETA on restoration. So guess what the higher ups kept asking us over and over and over? "What's the estimated ETA. When can we get this back? etc")
A good leader should take up the minimum amount of time for those they lead, this allows them the maximum amount of time to plan for and accomplish the tasks assigned to them, thus helping to complete the overall mission everyone is working towards.
Been there; worked a job repairing Lenovo laptops all over Indiana. Had to account for 8 hours a day. Some days we were up to our ears in work, some days we had nothing to do.
It's like when someone explained to me why airplanes don't travel at max speed.. because a consistent, predictable timetable is more important than what little you'd gain from getting there faster. Considering how many people are waiting around the block to join starfleet, and they have ridiculously small numbers of new recruits per year, maybe they should just.. let more people in. more workers means shorter shifts, more rest, harder work..
Pretty sure Dukat would have made a Dukat poster in the style of Hamilton if he weren't trapped in the fire caves on a planet he hates with the banished evil kindred of the gods of the people he hates (lol).
I marked out huge when Obrien came up. My fiancee looked at me and rolled her eyes because I had just gone on a big thing about how obrien was constantly undervalued in Star Trek Lore.
@@Feasco Neither is true. I just don't like comedy where they forget to add in the jokes, delivered through animated characters with designs one step above stick figures.
Tendi is a green angel, and Chuck, say this with me. Cerritos. Ser-ree-tohs. Like Doritos. And I always thought of Mariner as Dave Lister if he wasn't a slob but doubled his lack of ambition.
This episode was where I felt like the show really came together for me. I had written it off after the first two episodes as simply not having stories or comedy meant for me, but I'm glad that friends convinced me to give it a second chance months later. Unlike the first two entries, this episode didn't feel like it was leaning so excessively hard into showing (and most importantly _validating_ ) Mariner having a too cool for school attitude, and thinking that anyone who doesn't share that attitude and wants to do their job and be the best they can be is really lame. As time goes by she gets fleshed out and given more layers, but there are still moments (although mercifully never as heavy on them as they were in Ep.1) that make me wonder why she's even in Starfleet, or think she'd be in prison if it weren't for Mommy and Daddy bailing her out. But this episode was when the show reassured me that it was willing to show that Mariner having that attitude could come back to bite her in the ass and isn't necessarily the right mindset to have in Starfleet--what was showing off scars supposed to prove when medical technology just erases peoples' scars? And then there's the supporting characters. Ransom isn't the one dimensional douche that he seemed like on the surface; there are jokes based around his personal quirks, like any character in the show, but he really stands true to Starfleet values and responsibilities and cares about his crew. He's actually a GREAT first officer. And the same (mostly) holds true for the rest of the cast and their roles from this episode forward.
@@Feasco She can be as fond of her scars as she wants. But it was a pointless topic to mention in the context of the scene, trying to use her scars as proof of worthiness for battle when the societal norm is to remove scars. Who knows how much battle damage Ransom would otherwise have? He was plenty worthy.
I really liked this episode since it answered something I've always wondered: What happens when a Federation world attacks a Starfleet vessel? The answer, the Starship cannot fight back while Boilmer could only use his phaser in self-defense. It's little answers like this that makes me appreciate the lore _Lower Decks_ brings. It's way more interesting than what DIS or PIC adds to the canon.
I appreciate this comment. The higher ups on this show really do discuss various things including ship design for why\how would the character be in this crazy position.
These scripts are actually thought through and revised to take thing into account, which makes smart characters actually act smart on-screen. It's great.
Was pleasantly surprised by Lower Decks. Not a fan of Beckett as a character, but the show certainly got better as it went along. I definitely enjoyed it more than season 2 Discovery at any rate.
Yeah, Beckett starts out as a complete asshole and we're supposed to root for her because she's hyper competent. I don't buy it. Being good at your job doesn't entitle you to be a bully. At least she gets some character development later on.
I'll be honest, the trailer and art style turned me off on this show. But then I couldn't sleep one night and binged the first season. And by the end I was liking it way more than the rest of modern Trek. It's nice to be wrong about something like this every now and then
art styles are like that. phineas and ferb is easily the smartest cartoon of the 2000s, it just SOUNDS and LOOKS stupid. and the advertising disney gave them didn't help.
@@captianmorgan7627 there's so much ugly food that turns out to be delicious I can't even think of a metaphor. Pickles maybe. Phineas and Ferb is the pickles of cartoons.
I initially wrote off this show thinking it to be a Rick and Morty clone and while it’s definitely inspired by it I was amazed at how much love it gave the source material to the point where I think it’s the best New Trek show currently airing…not like that says much but still.
@@Tuskin38 Yeah but once I started watching clips on CZcams I’m like holy crap this show is actually good! And I’m not gonna say any spoilers here but I love how they made the BLANK threatening
@@Tuskin38 Rick and Morty's whole thing is "everything is meaningless and the main character is a bad person but also always correct" never got that vibe from LDS
Given Chuck's reservations about reviewing Trek comedy, I'll be interested to see how he handles this series, especially when we get to the more character-heavy stuff of late season 1 and season 2. :-)
I want this episode to be required viewing for anyone who wants to micromanage a team down to the second. The fact that Boimler excels at this kinda shows that he's efficient as hell and by the book, but that's not what Starfleet is about. I kinda love this show for that in that humanity excels ONLY when we work together to make that happen. Everyone has their own pace and we all work effectively as a unit. It's a nice little lesson that's hammered home with DOUBLE FIST PUNCHES and crystals.
So it wasn't just me... at first I thought Chuck had said _Saratoga_ and I was like "Wait, didn't the USS Saratoga get destroyed by the Borg at Wolf 359?" (as we see a battle against the Borg in each episode's title intro)
The opening theme of Lower Decks has a lot of James Horner in it. Almost reminds me of elements of Battle Beyond the Stars. Brassy and bombastic and fun.
"Rather Be" by Clean Bandit. Era appropriate, fits the theme of being stuck somewhere with good friends, even has some strings and synth to tie into other Star Trek themes.
I LOVE Lower Decks! It’s the best of Modern Trek and quickly becoming my 2nd favorite Trek show after DS9. I was willing to give the first season a shot to see how it went, but I was legit surprised at how it did get better as it progressed, culminating with fantastic 9th and 10th episodes. Season 2 continued that with some really great outings, and I’m so thrilled to see the 3rd and 4th seasons. Tendi is my favorite character easily, with Crisis Point as my favorite episode of Season 1. I see your reasoning as to why you’re doing this one first to show how the character dynamics really work. Amusingly I put this episode only in the OK category, which is partly because of how LD also suffers from 1st Season syndrome. LD aint flawless though. It had a HORRIBLE trailer that turned a lot of people off and was a poor representation the show’s positives. Its first two episodes are also not all that great, and Mariner can easily come off as a lousy character at first. Great to see your reviews so far off to a positive start and I await more!
I was nearly turned away. Glad I wasn't. I see a love and passion in Lower Decks that is sorely lacking from its """adult""" animation peers. Yeah it will mock Trek, but you can really see deep love, respect, and passion. I don't see enough of that out there in the "mature" animated "comedies."
Honestly this is the best Star Trek show in decades. despite being an animated comedy, it captures the spirit of Star Trek way more than 'Discovery' or 'Picard' do. (two shows which sometimes seem to hate the universe they are set in)
Lower Decks quickly became one of my favorite Star Trek series, and aside from getting to see some of the cartoon aliens again I really kind of love Rutherford's and Tendi's friendship, which quickly made them a couple of my favorite Star Trek characters EVER. In Tendi's case she's actually the first real main character Orion in the franchise history, and she's REALLY against type. How many times did we see the Orions before? Like one episode of TOS and 2 of Enterprise, plus a movie cameo? It's shocking how little we knew about their culture really, especially in the Next Generation era, where we have about a century of Federation uniting the Alpha Quadrant so we don't have so much slave trading and stuff going on. But still, this spritely, wholesome green cinnamon roll to put Miss Martian (the Young Justice version) to shame being our first real Orion character is kind of like...if we had Quark and Nog from Deep Space Nine and they were introduced as two guys who used the money they made from their career as athletes and soldiers of fortune to support a series of galactic charities.
I had the Star Trek 25th Anniversary video game from the early 90s; you have a couple starship battles with Orion ships referred to as pirates. But although I think it was called the 4th and 5th years of the original TOS 5-year mission, I don't think it's canon. There's also that DS9 episode where O'Brien goes undercover in the Orion Crime Syndicate, but I don't think there's an actual Orion in that episode. But 21st century Star Trek seems really eager to work in Orions: -the Orion cadet, Uhura's roommate played by Rachel Nichols that Kirk has a hook-up with in the Star Trek '09 feature film -the two Orions Emperor Georgiou has a threesome with in 1st season finale of Discovery, plus the creepy old Orion played by Clint Howard in the same episode. -"The Emerald Chain", a 31st century Orion-Andorran mercantile cartel led by the Orion Osyraa, the main villain of Discovery's 3rd season. -And now Tendi. Tendi's definitely the first Orion I'm aware of who's not primarily defined by sexual activity, criminal activity, or slavery, but I never saw them in Enterprise so correct me if I'm wrong.
@@digitaljanus I thought those were the Elasi pirates, not Orions... ... yes I played the shit out of that game to get into random starship battles. That last mission required I got plenty of practice doing so. I also was kind of a fan of how it *worked* as a point-and-click adventure.
definite like here! gives Much better overview of the episode than many did... even though, I like the vibe of this series and it's energy much more than you seem to (by my interpretation at least)... love the fact it is an insider style a Trekkie film made for Trekkers
Buffer time is really just good management. "Give 110% every day!" that most managers want is 1. not how math works and 2. utterly idiotic. Think about it, if you're at max-gas all the time during regular work, what happens if there's an emergency? someone calls in sick? If you're already at capacity, everything falls apart and people burn out. Employees should have a reasonable percentage of their day just "chilling" for most jobs, so that when things are tight, things still work
It somehow captures the spirit while taking the piss out of it at the same time. With the same candor as your best friend that pantses you then buys you a beer immediately afterward.
I wonder if I should give this show a look. Especially since I'm so tired of Star Trek leaning more and more towards dark and depressing. I'm not the only one who sees it right?
@@Feasco And when it isn't doing jokes about Trek, it's doing actual Trek episodes. By the end of S2 it has a couple of candidates for inclusion on the all-time great Star Trek episodes list (S02E09 definitely, S01E09/10 maybe).
When I first learned about _Star Trek Lower Decks_ existing, I expected to dislike it because I hate _Family Guy_ and similar "comedy" shows. But then my husband and I started bingewatching old favorite shows and new shows in the evenings during dinner due to the pandemic, and he forced me to give _Star Trek Lower Decks_ a try. And I began to really like it in Season 2 forward, once the show moved away from the early "low-hanging fruit" Star Trek jokes era and explored the characters & gave them background & depth. Most importantly, Lower Decks' scriptwriters _acknowledged_ that Mariner has huge flaws and biases of her own and let other crewmates confront her about her attitude[*], and she actually started to listen. When it was revealed that her own mother was the captain, it all fell into place. [*] Something which never happened on _ST: Discovery._ On that show, Michael Burnham only became an even bigger Mary-Sue character over time. Entire season plot arcs revolved around Burnham, the scriptwriters made all the other characters on the show gloridy and adore Burnham, and their reaction to fan criticism of Burnham's character only made the writers double down on shoving her down our throats & making her Spock's never before mentioned adoptive sister (wtf), while other characters like Tilly and Stamets were flanderized. I really tried to continue watching _Discovery_ because I like Saru, Dr Stamets and Dr Culber, the original Captain Georgiou, Captain Pike, Engineer Jett Reno, Admiral Cornwell, even Captain Lorca was interesting (in the beginning, not so much later when he became a generic villain). But Michael Burnham ruined the show for me, along with the show's insistence on making up their own super-Klingons & indulging in needless gore and sex scenes that didn't advance character or story in any way. And oh god, Tilly was annoying! In the early series, Tilly was okay as a cadet who tries to paper over her nervousness with bubbly enthusiasm. You could see why she acted like that. But I'm not a fan of "24/7 bubbly-happy talky" characters, and Tilly was also turned into a Mary-Sue who could do _anything_ and everything! Hands down the biggest Mary-Sue was "Princess" Me Hani Ika Hali Ka Po, a character consisting entirely of ridiculous clichés, the ultimate "She can do literally EVERYTHING whatever the plot requires because she is JUST THAT AWESOME, folks!" plot device. She is a princess! And look look look, she a girl genius and an engineer. And spunky! And also comes with Kung-Fu grip!" Bahh! And Adira Tal only seemed to be in the series to be there, to lecture viewers on how to be properly "woke". A "Did I mention my non-binary pronouns?" type of character, as bad as the social media equivalent of "Have I mentioned I'm a Vegan?" holier-than-thou RL people. What even was Their function in the story? Not to mention a big deal was made about Adira being "the first successful joining of a Trill symbiont with a non-Trill in 2,000 years" (so Commander William T. Riker in ST:TNG in the 24th century didn't count because it wasn't permanent?), so... was that all the character is about? That's why High Concept Characters who were only written to be X rarely work.
To sum up, it's fine when a character has flaws or even acts arrogant or like a douchbag from time to time, as long as a) the scriptwriters allows the other characters to acknowledge and point it out, b) said character also has additional character traits and can balance their arrogance by being genuinely smart and capable (like Tony Stark), or reveals the arrogance is just a show they put on, or (like Dr Stamets from ST:Discovery) may come off as arrogant to some people but in reality doesn't see himself as arrogant and didn't intend to come off as arrogant and is horrifed if someone accuses him of it because deep down he's a nice guy but just a nerd.
@@JcBravo8 Yeah Prodigy has been fun to watch so far. A little eyebrow raising that so far the two best Modern Treks have been animated and one of them a comedy.
Awesome, really looking forward to seeing this series through. Once I got to this episode I ripped through the rest of them, no idea how our narrator has the patience to have held off. The show has fantastic potential and writing; my only wish is for longer episodes/seasons!
When this show first came out, a lot of the press was fairly negative, but now it seems the general sentiment among audiences towards this series has been steadily improving, which I like 😊
Lower Decks is the only nuTrek show that's still good on repeated viewings. While DIS and PIC is exciting and attention grabbing when you first watch them, on the second time you really spot the flaws how later reveals contradict what was set up and pointless plot-lines that go nowhere.
“And to think they actually said that a musical based on the life of gul dukat would never catch on” Whelp, that got me. I’ve always sorted this episode into the ‘awkward first few outings’ category of LD episodes. It’s not bad, but it is very meh in my opinion.
@@JcBravo8 It’s beyond frustrating that a lot of folks are quick to point out how LD sucks out of the gate while forgetting that ALL of the Trek shows and even the movies had growing pains.
@@myriadmediamusings @JC That's why Lower Decks is so impressive to me. It managed the usual ST season 1-3 progression from bad to great in the space of a single season.
Thats what differenciates star trek from othet franchises. In something like starwars with some exeptions most people lives are pretty crappy. But in Star Trek living even as a simple crewman seems like a pretty awesome life.
@@zafranorbian757 as long as you're within the Federation where at least you're guaranteed to have your basic living needs met and pursue your own interests if you don't want to pursue a career in the final frontier every where else it's a cointoss also post TOS because it seems less of a cool place to be before then also barring any galaxy spanning existential threats that pop up from time to time
I've seen mixed opinions on this episode, and it feels like a personal attack on me given my employment history(meticulously and excessively timed pressure cooker.) But I find it to be one of the episodes that shows how LD could(and would) hit it's stride. Ransom showing himself to be more than just S1 Riker on uppers, Beckett contrasted against him with her own good and bad. Etc etc. Beckett also didn't have what I felt was insufferable about her in the first episode too... Which I admit I can't immediately explain aside from just her vibe. It's solid. I admit I was quite surprised with out LD turned out given how critical I am of the rest of NuTrek(even after giving them a decent shot and still finding a few things I like in them.)
@@joshuamazzuto1558 this is just what people say when they see things they identify with personally don't get it twisted, nobody who says thinks the writers have specific audience members under surveillance
If Star Trek wants to do another animated show? Star Trek: Zim Joins Starfleet. What? Paramount owns both properties, the ending of Enter the Florpus is basically a series finale for Invader Zim and there's actually a shockingly good way to stitch Invader Zim and Star Trek together. Say that Invader Zim was set, entirely, in a SUPER CRAPPY Sanctuary District around the early 2020s, before Deep Space Nine's Bell Riots and aftermath riots. Dib dies in the aftermath riot, Zim goes comatose in reaction, and Starfleet searches the house centuries later.
Don't forget: the licence that Mr Abrams and Mr Kurtzmann have with CBS requires their Trek to be at least 25% different from the originals otherwise they have to pay a licence fee.
That has never been true. Stop listening to the fandom menace, they are full of shit. They lie to sell their product, and the product they sell is your anger.
A Star Trek reviewer who *doesn't* automatically hate Lower Decks? What new spore of madness is this? Seriously, though, I love Lower Decks. I mean, sure, it's no DS9, but it's not trying to be. It's just a fun little show that shows the lighter and sillier side of a franchise that takes itself just a little too seriously sometimes. And in my opinion, it has the best first-season finale of all Trekdom. Yeah, I said it.
Yeah I can agree with that. LD had the best first season in terms of overall properly setting its tone and being what it wants to be. I wouldnt even consider any of the LD Season 1 episodes awful, just some that are meh.
To be honest, Lower Decks had me running to change the channel after a few minutes. I'm sure it's a style of humor that works for people, but I don't think I'm one of them. Yet it's still better than Discovery and Picard.
If you watched the first couple of episodes give it another go. I honnestly thought it was outright bad to start off with but by the end of the first season I was loving it.
@@stryke-jn3kv I'm going to disagree there I watched both seasons and if you didn't like it at the start nothing will change your mind later. I just feel bad for Bomiler most of the time. He's just so pathetic and the show just keeps dumping on the guy for trying his best. It's just sad. Yeah the world sucks sometimes, but I don't need to watch terrible things happen to some guy just trying to better himself. It's almost like the writers are afraid of sincerely believing in people. It gets a little better in season two, but not by enough to change my mind on that.
@@Feasco Then gets kicked off well his clone gets to have that life. But even there he was mocked at times. More over this episode shows you what I mean. The conscientious hard worker gets remembered for all time as a lazily slacker. Is there a bigger slap in the face then to tarnish one's reputation? At that for all time.
I loved this episode for its ability to pull off the perfect (I dare say “anti-woke”) bait and switch and prove that Beckett Mariner was anything BUT a “Mary Sue,” anything but just another insufferable Michael Burnham. It initially fools you into thinking exactly that. Here’s Mariner arrogantly berating her male commanding officer, lecturing how worthless he is and how obviously she is the only one capable of getting them out of this because girl power! As we roll our eyes, assuming that’s exactly what’s about to happen (because had it been Pike and Burnham, that’s exactly what would have happened with Pike meekly thanking her for her insubordination), Ransom suddenly flips the script on its head and heroically saves the day Kirk-style! On top of that, Mariner is even attracted to him for it!-on a series produced in the 2020s, no less! Meanwhile, on the ship, Boimler (whom everyone assumed his only purpose was to be the bumbling, incompetent male brunt of Mariner’s jokes) shows he’s not only competent, he single-handedly saves the ship with little effort. I’m not sure how McMahon kept his job, because Kurtzman had to have been pissed. But it was a truly brilliant thwarting of expectations, very deliberately flipping the Mary Sue trope on its head. In today’s Hollywood, that’s bold.
Nice! I enjoy Lower Decks a great deal. I don't hate Discovery per se, but it never made me look forward to new episodes or get me invested in the characters the way LD did.
This is as much of the show as I’ll see, via your reviews. Even though it seems to be the best Trek made post 2005. I completely checked out of “new Trek” after a certain eye-popping scene in Picard. I just can’t in good conscience give viewing figures to the garbage Alex Kurtzman and Bad Reboot perpetuate, in trend chasing the likes or Marvel and Game of Thrones set, trying to make Star Trek “mainstream”. I’ll take a look at whatever is made after those parties are eventually booted out, and see if anything’s changed.
He just finds it more difficult since his style of routine is to mock things that don't hold up to common sense scrutiny. There's plenty of that in comedy but it's intentional so it's like it beats him to the joke.
Lower decks is adequate as a parody of star trek, but it doesn't really work as a star trek show. All the characters (even the established old characters) behave like people plucked out of the 21st century and dropped into TNG, it doesn't really fit at all.
I almost wonder if that's intentional. Since that has been the case since... oh let's be fair, Voyager. People stopped feeling like special advanced futuremen and started feeling like some rando yanked off of the street outside the Paramount lot. In fairness the Maquis were sort of always supposed to be like that. but it cranked up hard.. and again in fairness, Enterprise takes place first so its characters feeling pretty contemporary is excusable. but then it just kept happening. I'm not one of those people that shits all over Picard but Picard was by far the best part of it because he was the only one who still felt authentically 24th century.
@@KairuHakubi I disagree with all of this, it just seems like it's moved away from Roddenberry's "no internal conflicts" restrictions they're still explorers and scientists but they also y'know, people, if a bit more cartoony because they're... cartoons.
@@Feasco that's a silly way of looking at it. people in the original animated series didn't act cartoony because they were drawings. I like this show I'm just saying that's a valid criticism of all modern scifi. no more hopeful looks forward.
This show is a sad representation of what the Star Trek franchise has now become and how it has *lost* whatever dignity or intelligent discourse it had left. ⚡
@@Feasco Sure a few random bad episodes amidst a vast majority of well-written, intelligent ones with thought-provoking discourse. Meanwhile the few Lower Deck fans are cheering for more of Boimler spreading his arsehole.
@@BornIn1142 Lower Decks is a surface level series. Some of the dialogue literally has Mariner yelling out as many memberberries as possible, in a desperate attempt to hook fans with lower standards in.
I dunno I feel they're more reacting to the lack of dignity. At this point you might as well joke, because all the 'serious' attempts at continuing the franchise have been godawful. But I get how you feel, I'll never be able to stomach Brave and the Bold because we saw how Batman could be done right after decades of done-wrong, and it sucked seeing things backslide into the Comics Code age again.
actually untrue! Unlike most of the modern stuff which, yeah, well put.. this is clearly for people that _like_ star trek... but acknowledge that we can't have any more star trek for numerous reasons. So we're going to have this instead.
@@BornIn1142 because it feels like it wasn’t made for fans of Star Trek it feels like it was made for people who made fun of you for watching stuff like Star Trek back in the day, it comes off like it was written by people who use Pepe the Frog and Troll Face as there profile pics
@@Feasco I don’t think detail is the key anybody can recreate detail you can’t how ever recreate passion and to me anyway passion is exactly what’s lacking instead of wanting to try and be it’s own thing merely settling to do what comes across as currently trendy, I have a hunch that when people go back and watch this a decade oh so from now it in no way we’ll be held to in the same regards as the older series
you mean the one where children don't mourn the loss of their parents or that absolutely no interpersonal conflict exists or that women can't command starships climb down out from up your own ass
As someone who has worked in IT, buffer time is actually very important - because something almost always goes wrong. Though we called it less "buffer time" and more the "oh shit! allowance."
And you learn very quickly that "server maintenance should take 30 min if nothing goes wrong - oops, we need an additional 2 hours" is far less acceptable to higher ups than, "server time will take 2 hrs - oh wait, we got done in 30!" Really leadership has nobody to blame for this phenomena but themselves. (No joke, we once had a catastrophic failure - so bad there was no ETA on restoration. So guess what the higher ups kept asking us over and over and over? "What's the estimated ETA. When can we get this back? etc")
A good leader should take up the minimum amount of time for those they lead, this allows them the maximum amount of time to plan for and accomplish the tasks assigned to them, thus helping to complete the overall mission everyone is working towards.
I work in IT and we had another term for "buffer time" - "oh fuck, management's changed at least one of the requirements again time".
@@RichardWatt lol been there my man!
Been there; worked a job repairing Lenovo laptops all over Indiana. Had to account for 8 hours a day. Some days we were up to our ears in work, some days we had nothing to do.
It's like when someone explained to me why airplanes don't travel at max speed.. because a consistent, predictable timetable is more important than what little you'd gain from getting there faster.
Considering how many people are waiting around the block to join starfleet, and they have ridiculously small numbers of new recruits per year, maybe they should just.. let more people in. more workers means shorter shifts, more rest, harder work..
...if someone hasn't made a poster for DUKAT in the style of HAMILTON I'm going to be very sad.
If it wasn't already late, I was going to try and do that.
Pretty sure Dukat would have made a Dukat poster in the style of Hamilton if he weren't trapped in the fire caves on a planet he hates with the banished evil kindred of the gods of the people he hates (lol).
Finally O'Brien get something good to happen to him, that is not his family!!
I marked out huge when Obrien came up. My fiancee looked at me and rolled her eyes because I had just gone on a big thing about how obrien was constantly undervalued in Star Trek Lore.
I never seen a single episode of this show so…
This’ll be fun.
It’s maybe the best Star Trek in 15 years
Don't
@@TheKonkaman To be more specific from about half way through the first season it gets there, but before that it was pretty rough going.
@@WDC_OSA don't listen to this person, they think sex is bad.
or they're bad at sex, either way: opinion irrelevant
@@Feasco Neither is true. I just don't like comedy where they forget to add in the jokes, delivered through animated characters with designs one step above stick figures.
Definitely one of the highlights from Season 1, especially for showing early on that not everything would be going Mariner's way throughout the show.
Tendi is a green angel, and Chuck, say this with me.
Cerritos. Ser-ree-tohs. Like Doritos.
And I always thought of Mariner as Dave Lister if he wasn't a slob but doubled his lack of ambition.
I like that Luster comparison
Think its Chuck messing with us?
Just watch, Mike McMahan will throw in a Cerritos mispronunciation joke in somewhere and make it so that both are accepted.
This episode was where I felt like the show really came together for me. I had written it off after the first two episodes as simply not having stories or comedy meant for me, but I'm glad that friends convinced me to give it a second chance months later. Unlike the first two entries, this episode didn't feel like it was leaning so excessively hard into showing (and most importantly _validating_ ) Mariner having a too cool for school attitude, and thinking that anyone who doesn't share that attitude and wants to do their job and be the best they can be is really lame. As time goes by she gets fleshed out and given more layers, but there are still moments (although mercifully never as heavy on them as they were in Ep.1) that make me wonder why she's even in Starfleet, or think she'd be in prison if it weren't for Mommy and Daddy bailing her out. But this episode was when the show reassured me that it was willing to show that Mariner having that attitude could come back to bite her in the ass and isn't necessarily the right mindset to have in Starfleet--what was showing off scars supposed to prove when medical technology just erases peoples' scars?
And then there's the supporting characters. Ransom isn't the one dimensional douche that he seemed like on the surface; there are jokes based around his personal quirks, like any character in the show, but he really stands true to Starfleet values and responsibilities and cares about his crew. He's actually a GREAT first officer. And the same (mostly) holds true for the rest of the cast and their roles from this episode forward.
re : the scars, she likes to keep them as reminders of her experiences
the doctor of course calls her out as a moron about it
@@Feasco She can be as fond of her scars as she wants. But it was a pointless topic to mention in the context of the scene, trying to use her scars as proof of worthiness for battle when the societal norm is to remove scars. Who knows how much battle damage Ransom would otherwise have? He was plenty worthy.
Yeah it's almost like they wanted to stick with star trek tradition by having the beginning be pretty rough.
I really liked this episode since it answered something I've always wondered: What happens when a Federation world attacks a Starfleet vessel? The answer, the Starship cannot fight back while Boilmer could only use his phaser in self-defense. It's little answers like this that makes me appreciate the lore _Lower Decks_ brings. It's way more interesting than what DIS or PIC adds to the canon.
I appreciate this comment. The higher ups on this show really do discuss various things including ship design for why\how would the character be in this crazy position.
These scripts are actually thought through and revised to take thing into account, which makes smart characters actually act smart on-screen. It's great.
Was pleasantly surprised by Lower Decks. Not a fan of Beckett as a character, but the show certainly got better as it went along. I definitely enjoyed it more than season 2 Discovery at any rate.
Yeah, Beckett starts out as a complete asshole and we're supposed to root for her because she's hyper competent. I don't buy it. Being good at your job doesn't entitle you to be a bully.
At least she gets some character development later on.
DIS season two was so dumb. It might be the worst time travel story I've ever seen.
Beckett honestly becomes likeable as the series goes on when we learn more about what makes her tick and she also matures a bit.
I'll be honest, the trailer and art style turned me off on this show. But then I couldn't sleep one night and binged the first season. And by the end I was liking it way more than the rest of modern Trek. It's nice to be wrong about something like this every now and then
I have a friend that is put off by that too. But he got over the art style in The Clone Wars, so I'm hopeful that he'll like this too.
art styles are like that. phineas and ferb is easily the smartest cartoon of the 2000s, it just SOUNDS and LOOKS stupid. and the advertising disney gave them didn't help.
@@KairuHakubi Ah, Phineas and Ferb, my comfort food.
@@captianmorgan7627 there's so much ugly food that turns out to be delicious I can't even think of a metaphor. Pickles maybe. Phineas and Ferb is the pickles of cartoons.
I initially wrote off this show thinking it to be a Rick and Morty clone and while it’s definitely inspired by it I was amazed at how much love it gave the source material to the point where I think it’s the best New Trek show currently airing…not like that says much but still.
well the creator did work on a couple seasons. But honestly, as a fan of Rick and Morty, I really don't see the comparison.
@@Tuskin38 Oh it’s definitely far from Rick and Morty but the advertising made it seem like “Star Trek Rick and Morty”
@@DwarfDaddy Yeah, the trailers did not do the show any favours.
@@Tuskin38 Yeah but once I started watching clips on CZcams I’m like holy crap this show is actually good! And I’m not gonna say any spoilers here but I love how they made the BLANK threatening
@@Tuskin38 Rick and Morty's whole thing is "everything is meaningless and the main character is a bad person but also always correct"
never got that vibe from LDS
Given Chuck's reservations about reviewing Trek comedy, I'll be interested to see how he handles this series, especially when we get to the more character-heavy stuff of late season 1 and season 2. :-)
I want this episode to be required viewing for anyone who wants to micromanage a team down to the second. The fact that Boimler excels at this kinda shows that he's efficient as hell and by the book, but that's not what Starfleet is about. I kinda love this show for that in that humanity excels ONLY when we work together to make that happen. Everyone has their own pace and we all work effectively as a unit. It's a nice little lesson that's hammered home with DOUBLE FIST PUNCHES and crystals.
...That is an exceptionally weird way to pronounce Cerritos.
So it wasn't just me... at first I thought Chuck had said _Saratoga_ and I was like "Wait, didn't the USS Saratoga get destroyed by the Borg at Wolf 359?" (as we see a battle against the Borg in each episode's title intro)
I prefer how it's pronounced in the original Klingon
The opening theme of Lower Decks has a lot of James Horner in it. Almost reminds me of elements of Battle Beyond the Stars. Brassy and bombastic and fun.
I think thats intentional. If you look at it carefuly it parodies other intros from franchise
@@vochomurka6 Oh definitely. Horner did the music for Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock, after all.
To be honest I'm thankful they course corrected on Mariner fast and her former classmate calling her out, is what sold me on the series.
If you could get away with with giving this review series a theme like the others, what would you choose
An orchestral version of the Red Dwarf theme. Make it all come full circle.
@@joethehero2 I can't disagree with this.
@@joethehero2 Definitely a good choice. An alternative I would go with is Weird Al’s Everything you know is wrong.
@@joethehero2 would be great to see the Boys of the Dwarf make a cameo in the background of an episode.
"Rather Be" by Clean Bandit. Era appropriate, fits the theme of being stuck somewhere with good friends, even has some strings and synth to tie into other Star Trek themes.
I LOVE Lower Decks! It’s the best of Modern Trek and quickly becoming my 2nd favorite Trek show after DS9. I was willing to give the first season a shot to see how it went, but I was legit surprised at how it did get better as it progressed, culminating with fantastic 9th and 10th episodes. Season 2 continued that with some really great outings, and I’m so thrilled to see the 3rd and 4th seasons.
Tendi is my favorite character easily, with Crisis Point as my favorite episode of Season 1. I see your reasoning as to why you’re doing this one first to show how the character dynamics really work. Amusingly I put this episode only in the OK category, which is partly because of how LD also suffers from 1st Season syndrome.
LD aint flawless though. It had a HORRIBLE trailer that turned a lot of people off and was a poor representation the show’s positives. Its first two episodes are also not all that great, and Mariner can easily come off as a lousy character at first.
Great to see your reviews so far off to a positive start and I await more!
I was nearly turned away. Glad I wasn't. I see a love and passion in Lower Decks that is sorely lacking from its """adult""" animation peers. Yeah it will mock Trek, but you can really see deep love, respect, and passion. I don't see enough of that out there in the "mature" animated "comedies."
Honestly this is the best Star Trek show in decades.
despite being an animated comedy, it captures the spirit of Star Trek way more than 'Discovery' or 'Picard' do. (two shows which sometimes seem to hate the universe they are set in)
man i can't handle how frantic the show is. even the brief clips in this upload are grating. Better than disco and picard? that's a low bar.
Lower Decks quickly became one of my favorite Star Trek series, and aside from getting to see some of the cartoon aliens again I really kind of love Rutherford's and Tendi's friendship, which quickly made them a couple of my favorite Star Trek characters EVER. In Tendi's case she's actually the first real main character Orion in the franchise history, and she's REALLY against type. How many times did we see the Orions before? Like one episode of TOS and 2 of Enterprise, plus a movie cameo? It's shocking how little we knew about their culture really, especially in the Next Generation era, where we have about a century of Federation uniting the Alpha Quadrant so we don't have so much slave trading and stuff going on. But still, this spritely, wholesome green cinnamon roll to put Miss Martian (the Young Justice version) to shame being our first real Orion character is kind of like...if we had Quark and Nog from Deep Space Nine and they were introduced as two guys who used the money they made from their career as athletes and soldiers of fortune to support a series of galactic charities.
I had the Star Trek 25th Anniversary video game from the early 90s; you have a couple starship battles with Orion ships referred to as pirates. But although I think it was called the 4th and 5th years of the original TOS 5-year mission, I don't think it's canon. There's also that DS9 episode where O'Brien goes undercover in the Orion Crime Syndicate, but I don't think there's an actual Orion in that episode.
But 21st century Star Trek seems really eager to work in Orions:
-the Orion cadet, Uhura's roommate played by Rachel Nichols that Kirk has a hook-up with in the Star Trek '09 feature film
-the two Orions Emperor Georgiou has a threesome with in 1st season finale of Discovery, plus the creepy old Orion played by Clint Howard in the same episode.
-"The Emerald Chain", a 31st century Orion-Andorran mercantile cartel led by the Orion Osyraa, the main villain of Discovery's 3rd season.
-And now Tendi. Tendi's definitely the first Orion I'm aware of who's not primarily defined by sexual activity, criminal activity, or slavery, but I never saw them in Enterprise so correct me if I'm wrong.
@@digitaljanus You never saw them in Enterprise? Oh you have no idea how blessed you are.
@@digitaljanus I thought those were the Elasi pirates, not Orions...
... yes I played the shit out of that game to get into random starship battles. That last mission required I got plenty of practice doing so. I also was kind of a fan of how it *worked* as a point-and-click adventure.
definite like here!
gives Much better overview of the episode than many did... even though, I like the vibe of this series and it's energy much more than you seem to (by my interpretation at least)... love the fact it is an insider style a Trekkie film made for Trekkers
Yay, I love lower decks, so happy to see you tackling it!
Looking forward to you looking over the rest of the series.
I very much liked lower decks. I am very much looking forward to season 2 being released on home media on tuesday.
Buffer time is really just good management. "Give 110% every day!" that most managers want is 1. not how math works and 2. utterly idiotic. Think about it, if you're at max-gas all the time during regular work, what happens if there's an emergency? someone calls in sick? If you're already at capacity, everything falls apart and people burn out. Employees should have a reasonable percentage of their day just "chilling" for most jobs, so that when things are tight, things still work
Is LD better than PIC and DISC? Some say.
This individual view also agrees.
It's a completely different animal. More of a loving homage than a parody. Would recommend!
its also better than enterprise and most of voyager
It somehow captures the spirit while taking the piss out of it at the same time. With the same candor as your best friend that pantses you then buys you a beer immediately afterward.
@@S1nwar while also respecting them enough to acknowledge they exist and make jokes that aren't just shitting on them
@@S1nwarThis viewer disagrees. 3 out of 4 seasons of ENT are good.
This viewer knows he is lying. 2.5 out of 4 is more realistic.
I wonder if I should give this show a look. Especially since I'm so tired of Star Trek leaning more and more towards dark and depressing. I'm not the only one who sees it right?
this series leans more towards light and optimistic, it's jokes at the expense of the source material are done with love for it
@@Feasco And when it isn't doing jokes about Trek, it's doing actual Trek episodes. By the end of S2 it has a couple of candidates for inclusion on the all-time great Star Trek episodes list (S02E09 definitely, S01E09/10 maybe).
Since SF Debris can't show the intro, here's a link to it.
czcams.com/video/Sr4bomaqMTE/video.html
Sir-re-tos bruh 🤔🤭
When I first learned about _Star Trek Lower Decks_ existing, I expected to dislike it because I hate _Family Guy_ and similar "comedy" shows. But then my husband and I started bingewatching old favorite shows and new shows in the evenings during dinner due to the pandemic, and he forced me to give _Star Trek Lower Decks_ a try. And I began to really like it in Season 2 forward, once the show moved away from the early "low-hanging fruit" Star Trek jokes era and explored the characters & gave them background & depth. Most importantly, Lower Decks' scriptwriters _acknowledged_ that Mariner has huge flaws and biases of her own and let other crewmates confront her about her attitude[*], and she actually started to listen. When it was revealed that her own mother was the captain, it all fell into place.
[*] Something which never happened on _ST: Discovery._ On that show, Michael Burnham only became an even bigger Mary-Sue character over time. Entire season plot arcs revolved around Burnham, the scriptwriters made all the other characters on the show gloridy and adore Burnham, and their reaction to fan criticism of Burnham's character only made the writers double down on shoving her down our throats & making her Spock's never before mentioned adoptive sister (wtf), while other characters like Tilly and Stamets were flanderized.
I really tried to continue watching _Discovery_ because I like Saru, Dr Stamets and Dr Culber, the original Captain Georgiou, Captain Pike, Engineer Jett Reno, Admiral Cornwell, even Captain Lorca was interesting (in the beginning, not so much later when he became a generic villain). But Michael Burnham ruined the show for me, along with the show's insistence on making up their own super-Klingons & indulging in needless gore and sex scenes that didn't advance character or story in any way.
And oh god, Tilly was annoying! In the early series, Tilly was okay as a cadet who tries to paper over her nervousness with bubbly enthusiasm. You could see why she acted like that. But I'm not a fan of "24/7 bubbly-happy talky" characters, and Tilly was also turned into a Mary-Sue who could do _anything_ and everything!
Hands down the biggest Mary-Sue was "Princess" Me Hani Ika Hali Ka Po, a character consisting entirely of ridiculous clichés, the ultimate "She can do literally EVERYTHING whatever the plot requires because she is JUST THAT AWESOME, folks!" plot device. She is a princess! And look look look, she a girl genius and an engineer. And spunky! And also comes with Kung-Fu grip!" Bahh!
And Adira Tal only seemed to be in the series to be there, to lecture viewers on how to be properly "woke". A "Did I mention my non-binary pronouns?" type of character, as bad as the social media equivalent of "Have I mentioned I'm a Vegan?" holier-than-thou RL people. What even was Their function in the story? Not to mention a big deal was made about Adira being "the first successful joining of a Trill symbiont with a non-Trill in 2,000 years" (so Commander William T. Riker in ST:TNG in the 24th century didn't count because it wasn't permanent?), so... was that all the character is about? That's why High Concept Characters who were only written to be X rarely work.
To sum up, it's fine when a character has flaws or even acts arrogant or like a douchbag from time to time, as long as a) the scriptwriters allows the other characters to acknowledge and point it out, b) said character also has additional character traits and can balance their arrogance by being genuinely smart and capable (like Tony Stark), or reveals the arrogance is just a show they put on, or (like Dr Stamets from ST:Discovery) may come off as arrogant to some people but in reality doesn't see himself as arrogant and didn't intend to come off as arrogant and is horrifed if someone accuses him of it because deep down he's a nice guy but just a nerd.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog you call that summing up? its almost as long as your original essay
Lower Decks! Lower Decks! Best Trek series since DS9. Can't wait for these reviews.
Probably the best Trek this century.
I’d say contested by Prodigy (despite being a younger audience) and hopefully we can add the upcoming Pike show to it.
@@JcBravo8 Yeah Prodigy has been fun to watch so far. A little eyebrow raising that so far the two best Modern Treks have been animated and one of them a comedy.
@@JcBravo8 I'm liking Prodigy so far but sometimes I get more of a Dave Filoni animated Star Wars series vibe off of it instead of Trek.
@@myriadmediamusings star trek is best when not constrained by sets and effects budgets
Awesome, really looking forward to seeing this series through. Once I got to this episode I ripped through the rest of them, no idea how our narrator has the patience to have held off. The show has fantastic potential and writing; my only wish is for longer episodes/seasons!
When this show first came out, a lot of the press was fairly negative, but now it seems the general sentiment among audiences towards this series has been steadily improving, which I like 😊
Lower Decks is the only nuTrek show that's still good on repeated viewings. While DIS and PIC is exciting and attention grabbing when you first watch them, on the second time you really spot the flaws how later reveals contradict what was set up and pointless plot-lines that go nowhere.
“And to think they actually said that a musical based on the life of gul dukat would never catch on”
Whelp, that got me.
I’ve always sorted this episode into the ‘awkward first few outings’ category of LD episodes. It’s not bad, but it is very meh in my opinion.
ST has usually struggled for 2-3 seasons trying to find their footing. God knows how TNG became what is is now than what it started.
@@JcBravo8 It’s beyond frustrating that a lot of folks are quick to point out how LD sucks out of the gate while forgetting that ALL of the Trek shows and even the movies had growing pains.
@@myriadmediamusings @JC That's why Lower Decks is so impressive to me. It managed the usual ST season 1-3 progression from bad to great in the space of a single season.
Man I would love to live a life as a starfleet officer
Thats what differenciates star trek from othet franchises. In something like starwars with some exeptions most people lives are pretty crappy. But in Star Trek living even as a simple crewman seems like a pretty awesome life.
@@zafranorbian757 yeah, good observation. And I would definetly hate to live in farscape 🤠💩
@@zafranorbian757 as long as you're within the Federation where at least you're guaranteed to have your basic living needs met and pursue your own interests if you don't want to pursue a career in the final frontier
every where else it's a cointoss
also post TOS because it seems less of a cool place to be before then
also barring any galaxy spanning existential threats that pop up from time to time
I've seen mixed opinions on this episode, and it feels like a personal attack on me given my employment history(meticulously and excessively timed pressure cooker.) But I find it to be one of the episodes that shows how LD could(and would) hit it's stride. Ransom showing himself to be more than just S1 Riker on uppers, Beckett contrasted against him with her own good and bad. Etc etc. Beckett also didn't have what I felt was insufferable about her in the first episode too... Which I admit I can't immediately explain aside from just her vibe. It's solid. I admit I was quite surprised with out LD turned out given how critical I am of the rest of NuTrek(even after giving them a decent shot and still finding a few things I like in them.)
It feels like a personal attack on you...? I'm pretty sure they don't even know you exist, dude.
@@joshuamazzuto1558 this is just what people say when they see things they identify with personally
don't get it twisted, nobody who says thinks the writers have specific audience members under surveillance
@@joshuamazzuto1558 yea what Gnome said. It's personally painful to watch is what i mean.
Watched the entirety of lower decks for this
If Star Trek wants to do another animated show? Star Trek: Zim Joins Starfleet. What? Paramount owns both properties, the ending of Enter the Florpus is basically a series finale for Invader Zim and there's actually a shockingly good way to stitch Invader Zim and Star Trek together. Say that Invader Zim was set, entirely, in a SUPER CRAPPY Sanctuary District around the early 2020s, before Deep Space Nine's Bell Riots and aftermath riots. Dib dies in the aftermath riot, Zim goes comatose in reaction, and Starfleet searches the house centuries later.
Great work Chuck!
Don't forget: the licence that Mr Abrams and Mr Kurtzmann have with CBS requires their Trek to be at least 25% different from the originals otherwise they have to pay a licence fee.
That has never been true. Stop listening to the fandom menace, they are full of shit. They lie to sell their product, and the product they sell is your anger.
Yes chuck’s first review of lower decks which is by far my favourite out of the new Star Trek that started with discovery.
A Star Trek reviewer who *doesn't* automatically hate Lower Decks? What new spore of madness is this?
Seriously, though, I love Lower Decks. I mean, sure, it's no DS9, but it's not trying to be. It's just a fun little show that shows the lighter and sillier side of a franchise that takes itself just a little too seriously sometimes. And in my opinion, it has the best first-season finale of all Trekdom. Yeah, I said it.
Yeah I can agree with that. LD had the best first season in terms of overall properly setting its tone and being what it wants to be. I wouldnt even consider any of the LD Season 1 episodes awful, just some that are meh.
SF Debis always gives new shows a fair shot.
And lower decks treats the ideal of star trek as well as its asthetic with respect.
plenty reviewers don't hate LDS
I recommend Jesse Gender's channel
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So Jerry O'Connel is playing to his strengths then?
Love Lower Decks, such a great show
To be honest, Lower Decks had me running to change the channel after a few minutes. I'm sure it's a style of humor that works for people, but I don't think I'm one of them. Yet it's still better than Discovery and Picard.
If you watched the first couple of episodes give it another go. I honnestly thought it was outright bad to start off with but by the end of the first season I was loving it.
@@stryke-jn3kv I'm going to disagree there I watched both seasons and if you didn't like it at the start nothing will change your mind later. I just feel bad for Bomiler most of the time. He's just so pathetic and the show just keeps dumping on the guy for trying his best. It's just sad. Yeah the world sucks sometimes, but I don't need to watch terrible things happen to some guy just trying to better himself. It's almost like the writers are afraid of sincerely believing in people. It gets a little better in season two, but not by enough to change my mind on that.
@@davidgreene616 what do you mean, Boimlers doing great, he's got a position on the Titan under Riker and everything
@@Feasco Then gets kicked off well his clone gets to have that life. But even there he was mocked at times. More over this episode shows you what I mean. The conscientious hard worker gets remembered for all time as a lazily slacker. Is there a bigger slap in the face then to tarnish one's reputation? At that for all time.
Yes! More Lower Deck reviews!
finally...lower decks is so friggin good
Cer RI' tos... anyway, please continue...
... Are you going to explain why you're not starting with the first episode?
I loved this episode for its ability to pull off the perfect (I dare say “anti-woke”) bait and switch and prove that Beckett Mariner was anything BUT a “Mary Sue,” anything but just another insufferable Michael Burnham. It initially fools you into thinking exactly that. Here’s Mariner arrogantly berating her male commanding officer, lecturing how worthless he is and how obviously she is the only one capable of getting them out of this because girl power! As we roll our eyes, assuming that’s exactly what’s about to happen (because had it been Pike and Burnham, that’s exactly what would have happened with Pike meekly thanking her for her insubordination), Ransom suddenly flips the script on its head and heroically saves the day Kirk-style! On top of that, Mariner is even attracted to him for it!-on a series produced in the 2020s, no less!
Meanwhile, on the ship, Boimler (whom everyone assumed his only purpose was to be the bumbling, incompetent male brunt of Mariner’s jokes) shows he’s not only competent, he single-handedly saves the ship with little effort.
I’m not sure how McMahon kept his job, because Kurtzman had to have been pissed. But it was a truly brilliant thwarting of expectations, very deliberately flipping the Mary Sue trope on its head. In today’s Hollywood, that’s bold.
Cerritos. Yep
Cerritos Strong
Damn, the review of this episode reminds me how much I loved S1 over S2
Cerritoes like dorritoes lol
Lower Decks, the best Trek series since Voyager. The only post-JJTrek series which I have enjoyed.
Nice! I enjoy Lower Decks a great deal. I don't hate Discovery per se, but it never made me look forward to new episodes or get me invested in the characters the way LD did.
Who was Sarah Toast and why did they name a ship after her?
Sarah Toast, of the Boston Toasts.
Do you still have the Drone review?
I should have copies and originals of everything.
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This is as much of the show as I’ll see, via your reviews. Even though it seems to be the best Trek made post 2005. I completely checked out of “new Trek” after a certain eye-popping scene in Picard. I just can’t in good conscience give viewing figures to the garbage Alex Kurtzman and Bad Reboot perpetuate, in trend chasing the likes or Marvel and Game of Thrones set, trying to make Star Trek “mainstream”. I’ll take a look at whatever is made after those parties are eventually booted out, and see if anything’s changed.
you're missing our because Lower Decks is actually good
ugh, the other video's blocked even unlisted i assume. that's pants.
I love you chuck
Ah, keeping the same joke about mispronouncing a word that means: Hills.
oh is that a running gag of his I haven't picked up on?
I thought you hated reviewing comedy?
Lower Decks is comedy?
He just finds it more difficult since his style of routine is to mock things that don't hold up to common sense scrutiny. There's plenty of that in comedy but it's intentional so it's like it beats him to the joke.
he's reviewed red dwarf
The best Trek since DS9.
I think that the second season became a Star Trek style Family Guy. Too many references.
Agree they rely heavily on references in Lower Decks
Star Trek Lower Endoscopy.
Obrien!
the most important man in starfleet
Lower decks is adequate as a parody of star trek, but it doesn't really work as a star trek show. All the characters (even the established old characters) behave like people plucked out of the 21st century and dropped into TNG, it doesn't really fit at all.
I almost wonder if that's intentional. Since that has been the case since... oh let's be fair, Voyager. People stopped feeling like special advanced futuremen and started feeling like some rando yanked off of the street outside the Paramount lot. In fairness the Maquis were sort of always supposed to be like that. but it cranked up hard.. and again in fairness, Enterprise takes place first so its characters feeling pretty contemporary is excusable. but then it just kept happening. I'm not one of those people that shits all over Picard but Picard was by far the best part of it because he was the only one who still felt authentically 24th century.
@@KairuHakubi I disagree with all of this, it just seems like it's moved away from Roddenberry's "no internal conflicts" restrictions
they're still explorers and scientists but they also y'know, people, if a bit more cartoony because they're... cartoons.
@@Feasco that's a silly way of looking at it. people in the original animated series didn't act cartoony because they were drawings.
I like this show I'm just saying that's a valid criticism of all modern scifi. no more hopeful looks forward.
This show is a sad representation of what the Star Trek franchise has now become and how it has *lost* whatever dignity or intelligent discourse it had left. ⚡
oh now how sad for the franchise that gave us Spock's Brain, Code Of Honor, Up The Long Ladder, Profit And Lace & *THRESHOLD*
@@Feasco Sure a few random bad episodes amidst a vast majority of well-written, intelligent ones with thought-provoking discourse.
Meanwhile the few Lower Deck fans are cheering for more of Boimler spreading his arsehole.
@@Knightfall182 That's a very surface level take.
@@BornIn1142 Lower Decks is a surface level series. Some of the dialogue literally has Mariner yelling out as many memberberries as possible, in a desperate attempt to hook fans with lower standards in.
I dunno I feel they're more reacting to the lack of dignity. At this point you might as well joke, because all the 'serious' attempts at continuing the franchise have been godawful.
But I get how you feel, I'll never be able to stomach Brave and the Bold because we saw how Batman could be done right after decades of done-wrong, and it sucked seeing things backslide into the Comics Code age again.
'Lower Decks' tries way too hard to be funny and shoehorn references 🤷♂️🤦♂️
no it tries exactly as hard as needed, it's not like family guy that makes constant cutaway reference for the sake of making references
@@Feasco That's exactly what it dose. Family guy at least tells a joke most of the time. Lower Decks is what people criticize Family Guy for being.
@@davidgreene616 no, family guy constantly goes hey Lois remember when .. and stays way too long on the jokes
LDS don't do that at all
@@Feasco Ahh so you admit that a joke was told. That's way better then Lower Decks witch just says "Star Trek Thing now laugh!"
Kurtzman Trek.....Star Trek made for people that hate Star Trek.
actually untrue! Unlike most of the modern stuff which, yeah, well put.. this is clearly for people that _like_ star trek... but acknowledge that we can't have any more star trek for numerous reasons. So we're going to have this instead.
Uhhhh.....I hate this series so much even just watching chucks review has me half grinding my teeth
Why?
show is good, grind harder
@@BornIn1142 because it feels like it wasn’t made for fans of Star Trek it feels like it was made for people who made fun of you for watching stuff like Star Trek back in the day, it comes off like it was written by people who use Pepe the Frog and Troll Face as there profile pics
@@IronHusky81 you can't look at the amount of detail that goes into every episode and say it was made by people who don't like star trek
@@Feasco I don’t think detail is the key anybody can recreate detail you can’t how ever recreate passion and to me anyway passion is exactly what’s lacking instead of wanting to try and be it’s own thing merely settling to do what comes across as currently trendy, I have a hunch that when people go back and watch this a decade oh so from now it in no way we’ll be held to in the same regards as the older series
Ugh. What sweet dreck is this? 😕
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Lower Decks: Zero. All of them. This show sucks ass. I'm not even going to watch reviews about it. Same with STD. Its bad.
wrong, it's great, cope
This show is a crass trash insult to Trek and its philosophy.
you mean the one where children don't mourn the loss of their parents
or that absolutely no interpersonal conflict exists
or that women can't command starships
climb down out from up your own ass
Climb out his ass? What, you expect fandumb people to not feel entitled? a bit much to ask
@@blagageorge3824 I'd expect someone who's a fan of something that includes Up The Long Ladder to have more realistic standards