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The Biggest Heel Turns in Survivor History
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2024
- Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Chrissy the Wise? I thought not. It's not a story Probst would tell you. It's a Survivor legend.
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I would offer up Lex as a possibility. In both of his seasons, if I remember correctly, he starts out smart, athletic, well-liked, and then deteriorates into paranoia and pettiness.
This is true. I did an in depth video about Lex and he goes completely heel after T-Bird votes for him.
Lex did the 'who in the hell voted for me?!' way before Rupert
Carl from DvG is another one. Went from trying to overcome the numbers disadvantage to his Davids tribe to getting drunk on power trying to call all the shots once his tribe are in the majority
Was that really a heel turn or just arrogance and bad game play? I think Carl just got arrogant, these players in this video were shown to be villainous as a personality trait, I feel like Carl was just sort of arrogant for a bit?
Tom Gresis Carl’s nullifier play was so sick tho
Tom Gresis arrogance is usually the #1 thing about a villainous edit. carl definitely got the villain edit for a good two episodes, especially since he was trying to go after the heroes at the time, christian and gabby
TheMurrmursonbottle gabby a hero? she just cried the entire time she was there
O M V R doesn’t really matter from an edit perspective. just because someone cries doesn’t make them a hero or villain, she was played up as an underdog from the beginning
"Tai might be the most wholesome player to ever play Survivor"
**ahem** Yau-Man **ahem**
Jerri Manthey did the exact opposite over her three season arc. Started off as one of the greatest villains in S2 and walked away as a hero in S20 despite being on the villains tribe. She’d probably be in the heroes tribe if she was on HvV2.
@@aocplusme5676 she is 49 you dumbass
Parvati is another one who started as a villain but sort of became a hero in WaW
I've felt the same for some time. By the end of season 20 you were rooting for her to go to the finale because one knew she'd win. I think her redemption arc over three seasons is fantastic!
Jerri is the next player I would like to see enter the 4 timer club.
@@lorchutax Parvati was kind of a mean girl on the edge w/ Natalie, I still think she’s a villain
The entire blue collar tribe in worlds apart.
Thumb Head except Mike
Will Sims II
@@Sliacen almost the entire cast really.
God I hated that season
Mike redeemed himself yes, but sierra never did anything wrong.
Ken going to the Dark Side just shows: Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolute.
The Begley Show animal farm
Power reveals corruption.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Chrissy should be on Heroes vs Villains 2 but on the Villains tribe. Could be funny because she was originally a hero and now she's a villain.
9:53 “Ken Combo” I see what you did there
Imagine Jason Zimmerman on Survivor; that'd be crazy man.
@@lukemnr199 he'd be David on steroids hahahahahha
I'm not sure I see it.
@@reubenmanzo2054 It's a reference to Ken being a pro gamer in the game Super Smash Bros Melee, where he made famous a combo that now bears his name, the Ken Combo.
@@lukemnr199 Crazy entertaining
Mr. Farty?!
I can't believe she went there..
She simply went too far. There's a line, Jane!
I... I just cant beleve it. How could she be so cruel...
Thw Judas in her mind
Freaking loved Chrissy. On the other hand, Jane's fan favorite win was so undeserved. She was a total b to people in Ponderosa. One of the most bitter people to ever play. Her attitude was repulsive.
i agree, some old people are so entitled that they feel they are always correct all the time
I loved Jane, not sure why people didn't like her. She is great and unintentionally funny
@@daliretoncho Did you see her Ponderosa videos where she was really cruel to Holly (the one who actually deserved fan fave)?
dembonez19 Holly, Chase, and Sash royally screwed her over. How do you expect her to be nice? She was actually forgiving of Chase so it’s not like she was evil, she was clearly hurt by their betrayal.
dembonez19 and I love Holly but the edit was setting Jane up as the fan favorite, she was basically the Rupert of the season (though that may not say much given Rupert’s reputation has suffered now lol but you get what I mean) in opposition to Marty as the villain
2:08 I don’t think people really understand how underrated this moment is. It’s hilarious how passive of a player JP was. I never would’ve thought that at first glance when the season began
JP is low key hilarious “oh really? Ah she gotta go” kills me everytime hahaha
Jane hated Marty because Marty always accused her of being a jury threat. At the merge, Marty was desperate because he was a strategic mastermind/target, so he proposed to get rid of Jane first since she is so genuine. Marty started it, but both of them took it way too far and personal.
Jane was just a bitter, hateful old hag.
That thumbnail is beatifull
Thank you!
Ken and Crystal = my favorite duo in Survivor history. I can’t believe they never returned.
same lol the character of crystal and the strategy of ken go perfect
"I'm bringing the 4 Bs: Brains, Beauty. Blazing Speed, and Brawn" - Crystal Cox
I think it may be because Crystal ended up getting caught using steroids and was stripped of her gold medal she brought to and showed off in the Gabon reunion show lol
Underratedly good! Couldn't believe they pulled off the things they did 😂
I don't think Chrissy was ever a hero she just showed her true colors.
I’m glad someone else noticed that too. She was nasty all season long and stopped trying to hide it halfway through the season. People really seem to think that she should’ve beaten Ben but nobody likes to talk about the fact that the jury absolutely hated her guts
i actually think she had an issue with the women .. she took out roark ali jessica and desi all back to back which still pisses me off to this day
@@wills3210 no matter what people think about Chrissy Ben is an undeserving winner and winners at war proved it.
@@wills3210 i know that but im saying of the final 3 that we got (Ben Ryan and Chrissy) Chrissy deserved it
@@wills3210 and sorry but i like Chrissy. Sure she can be villainous but sometimes villains are way more entertaining than plucky goody goody "heroes" (this was one example).
Tai had no backbone. He went with anyone who approached him with a plan which is why no one trusted him at the end and said he was disloyal. I also think the language barrier hurt him a lot because he couldn't express himself and his thoughts as clearly as others.
Kind of surprised we never saw Ken back, I always wanted to see him play again
And Mari too
“Ok Jane go to the principals office”
Stephenie lagrossa (first heel turn). From loved and idolazised by an initial tribe to hated and loathed by the entire cast after the merge and became a goat.
This idea is so much fun. It would be really interesting to see the exact opposite - the unlikable players who had turned into the beloved
Mike Holloway
Are we counting story arcs across multiple seasons? If so, Jerri is number one on that list for me, because she went from the original villainess of Australia to the biggest hero on the Villains tribe
Ken played exactly how anyone who knows his Smash career would expect him to play.
Wait, please explain! I never watched Smash back in his era
@@mrjollyguy25 he as a person is a big nerd. Smash gave him his confidence he was called by many the king of smash. He was incredibly cocky, and deservedly so. In survivor he was a timid kid til he felt like he got power and he was cocky and overplayed.
“You were meant to destroy the villains not join them!!”
“You were my brother Ken I loved you”
Dude. Yessss
Now I want to see a video that's like this only in reverse, where they start out super negative but then go through a sort of redemption arc by the end of the season. David in MvGX is the one that comes to mind most since, if I remember correctly, he was made to seem overly paranoid in the early episodes but became one of the strongest people towards the end.
Bruh i flippin loved Kenny! He really was amazing I dont know why they havent braught him back yet
I think Kenny's biggest problem was that he was in the "Golden Age" of Survivor, where they had too many good options to pick from his era.
Would love to see Kenny back though, especially now that he's older and wouldn't be as cocky (despite that heel turn being what I liked about him)
@@melonmanwill That really was an incredible era for the show.
@@burnout713 absolutely. I binged the “Golden Age” in the height of lockdown- right when you couldn’t leave whatsoever.
@@melonmanwill Nice. I have watched most of those seasons numerous times, myself. My first season was actually Samoa, which came right at the tail end of that, so I had a lot of awesome stuff to catch up on back in the day. Now I'm actually watching through all the seasons with my girlfriend who hasn't seen any of them and it has been a blast. We're only on The Amazon right now, so I still have all of the golden age to look forward to.
It’s hard to watch Villains in the final tribal councils because they get ripped apart.
If you get around to multiple season arcs please include Rupert and James. They were full-blown villains by the time they got eliminated on HvV.
Rupert kinda redeemed on Blood vs Water, I guess.
Couldn't agree more. Tho Stephenie also qualifies
My man really referenced the most know MArth Melee combo huh?
Amazing
No Dreamz? K.
Good call on Dreamz, he was really likable early in Fiji and I had a ton of sympathy for him. Especially when he was getting picked on for not knowing how to use a french press of all things.
@@aocplusme5676 "everything you'd assume from looking at him" - wow gtfo with that racism
Dreamz didn't owe Yau Man anything. This is Survivor.
@@IdoledOut
yeah that was TV Gold when Stacy blatantly told everyone: "I'm gonna tell him anything" and Dreamz started spitting out coffee grinds 🤣
@@lavoshakern I agree with that sentiment now, but viewers in the early days of Survivor did not. Even if Dreamz isn't a villain in my books, I can see how viewers saw him have a heel turn to be one. Dreamz came in wanting to be a good role model and by the last episodes it seemed like he was only out for himself. Which is fine, and works well, until you are trying to be a hero character. Players like Colby, Rupert, or Woo were perceived as heroes because they basically sacrificed their games to take the "moral high ground". Dreamz situation was different, but for him to have kept a hero edit he would have needed to do the same--give up the immunity and keep his word. It was not a fair situation
when you said "begins her rest of season Kill Bill style revenge story" I SCREAMED lmao
the most accurate analysis of her game that season ever
And hot damn was it ever satisfying.
Any Gabon lovers know Ken was gonna be on the list?
I thought Ken Millenials vs Gen X at first
Yup
For me, I felt Sugar was worse. I know Randy is a sour puss, but I was still disgusted by how rude she was to him. (Maybe because I'm a grouch myself, so I can relate. LOL)
toptenguy1 Nah Randy was truly awful to everyone there, calling Crystal bigfoot and shit, it was gross and he got what was coming to him.
I think my gameplay would really be like Ken, being good at the start then overestimating myself and lose in the end. Coincidentally, my name is Ken.
Your videos are fantastic. You and Perdiam are the best survivor CZcamsrs right now. Congrats
The old “Ken Combo” that’s gold
How could not include James in Heroes vs. Villains? That dude turned into a straight-up asshole during that season and Jerri went from villain to hero.
I'm guessing because James didn't last very long. I don't recall the exact order of eliminations, but he didn't even make it to the merge, right?
James was always an asshole, as Courtney said in HvsV. I don't understand why it took so long to people to see it.
@@LeoLeoLeo12P he was definitely not portrayed as an asshole in his first season, I loved him and he came across as pretty humble. He was potentially framed this way by producers with them ignoring the negative of course. But yes when he came back that final time I was quickly turned off by him and so mad at how nasty and disrespectful he was. I don't want him to come back again
@@joywilday4754 NONONO, he was very much a jerk in China. Other than Sugar, I think he was the least worthy person to be labeled a Hero on HvV
@@rokeYouuer well did he not win two seasons in a row fan favorite award at the finale?? I don't think you can claim they framed him as an ah when he won fan favorite twice. Perhaps some could see that in him but they certainly didn't portray him openly till his final season cause Jeff even called him out for ah behavior that time
If there is a HvV 2, Chrissy being on the Villains tribe would be funny considering she was on the Heroes tribe in HHH
Do you have the opposite? Players that started off as hated but became likable towards the end?
Can you talk about what could happen (theories) in situations like:
* everyone is immune at tribal (idol, necklace, legacy) not by deadlock
* A 1-1-1-1-etc tie during the pre-merge
* A three way tie at the final Three (FTC)
*A 4-4 tie at the FTC in Micronesia
* And other weird situation
he dont know hes not a producer
I don’t think a 3 way FTC tie will ever be possible, and same with everyone having immunity at once
I am saying hipotetical situations and theories and opinions
TheMurrmursonbottle that one season everyone almost had immunity all at once except for ashely or whatever her name was. She got voted oit by default
Rocks is the answer to the first two probably, or fire. I think a FTC tie means multiple winners if there’s no way to break it
Brad Culpepper in Game-Changers is missing. He starts out as a really likable dude with unexpected interests like antiquing. He's playing for Monica, as he says nearly every confessional.
But then he starts to get arrogant. He goes on an immunity streak. He starts playing with Scorched Earth strategies. And you might have noticed, but all his comments end up being about him winning and beating the others, not about Monica. Ken gets the phrase "Walter White edit" thrown around a lot but Brad has him beat as far as that goes imo.
He said he was only going to include original seasons.
I’m a newer survivor fan, and you’ve inspired me to watch all the older seasons. Almost finished up the first season!
Aubrey trounces all these people. She went from panic attack stricken to heartless abyss-staring hardass
The "Ken Combo" comment made me glad I subscribed. Good stuff!
Knowing how Ken was in the melee scene I wasn’t surprised watching his season live and how hard he heel turned, he’s still great though
I love your video topics - they're so unique and not the typical top 5 blindsides or top 10 players. Keep it up!
I don’t even watch survivor but this dude’s content is really interesting
This is genuinely a phenomenal idea for a video because it’s something I find in most seasons I watch of Survivor and it even happens on a rewatch too which I find odd lol
Marty blindsided Jane and Holly before the swap, and Jimmy T calling him preppy and pretentious really showed why Jane hated Marty. Marty was the villain, and the editors made every effort to make Marty a villain and Jane his opposition. I don't see this as a heel turn, but pretty on point edit wise.
I agree marty was unlikable and jane was likeable
It’s funny that two of the finalist from Winners at War had a heel turn person on their season. Michelle- Tai and Natalie- Jon.
damn so crazy 🙄
I mean that should not really be a surprise since over half of all winners were competing in WaW...
and Spencer too
@@markjackson6431 To be fair, Spencer was never edited as the villain in Cagayan...it was only in Cambodia where he went full heel turn
my prediction was incorrect 😭 i really thought u would put Stephenie Lagrossa from Guatemala as #1
Me too. First heel turn
I think its only for one-time players
yeah, this is a list for stephanie :D
"I'm outsmarting smarty pants" is why I love Chrissy. Clearly the only confrontations she's ever been in were on the grade school playground. Mother 💛
yay another video! thank you for the amazing consistent content :)
I don't think Tai should get hate for not using the Super Idol. It was a smart move. If he would have used it on Scott, he would have been voted out next since there would have been a tie with him and someone else. He was also on the minority alliance at the time. Plus, a Super Idol is only good if you are on your own and/or if you or your alliance member is not on the chopping block.
Where's Dawn Meehan
I agree. Maybe he is waiting to put her on the heel turn during more than 1 season.
Hahaha. Jp was funny in that scene with Chrissy just straight to the point xD
"didn't fall for the ken combo" i see what you did there
I really wanted Ken to win his season
Yep damn sugar and Bob, especially she basically just chose who was going to win
Jane wiping her face with her middle finger always makes me laugh
Absolutely loved the synopsis you to all the villains game
Thank you. I always wondered why Jane/Rupert got sooooo much love on the show.
I also want to mention it also might be the editing of the show, they sometimes like to do that.
Sarah started out as a hero, then became a sort of a villian. She did backstab people, but that's just the game. She played with a unique mix of integrity and and lying. Like of you love watching Sarah!
Wild Card Watson I do think Sarah is a good player, but I did find her preseason cockiness off-putting. Not to mention, Kass said all of those about gender in Cagayan, so...
Yeah that took a couple seasons to come to fruition. Same with James turning into a total D-Bag over the course of three seasons.
@@rdg___ That's a good point about her cockiness. It's not like Sandra who's cockiness is funny.
LOL JP ate that sh*t up so easily!
9:53 The good old fair to dair
Loved the Ken combo reference haha!
ken is just criminally underrated bruv
If they ever do HvV 2 I would love to see Chrissy on the villain tribe
I think the reason Tai was aligned with Villains in both of his seasons was they saw him as an easy beat at Final Tribal. He showed them he wasn't.
He was a villain the whole time, in disguise..
He was an easy beat tho he got no votes?
2:20 gotta love JP
Level 1 player right there.
Dude Natalie’s San Juan del Sur gameplay could be a video on its own. Like Jeremy said “she balled out”
Am I the only one who loves these videos but have never watched a single Survivor episode
Yes
You gotta catch up it's really good
Major props for that description good sir
Anybody want to see ken play again?
Chrissy annoyed and frustrated me so much tbh
same here. she started out pretty bad deciding to keep that idol as a trinket first episode
Wow in survivor sometimes if you get voted out early you stay a hero like Kenny or you live long enough to become the villain Darth kenny.
You always have the best video ideas
The Ken Combo comment is such a nice easter egg for melee fans 😄
Thumbnail gets me Everytime 😂😂
Jane hating on the stratebot was inspirational, that's my fan fave!
Multi season character arcs would be a great video
05:05 this is what we call that himbo magic
Dawn should be on this list. At the beginning of Caramoan, she was portrayed as this amazing person. But towards the end of the game she did some despicable things. But her worst was when Brenda was so nice to her. She jumped and retrieved Dawn’s denchers when she dropped them in the lake, she even gave up immunity so Dawn would have a win. Dawn evily backstabbed her by voting her off the same tribal council she gave up the immunity. That’s why Dawn deserves to be on this list.
Ok I know this is a few months late but: Even though Kenny got super cocky, I still couldn’t have seen him as a villain. I really want to see him back, and he would hopefully play a perfect game, seeing how cocky he was in Gabon. Kenny would fit perfectly in a second chance season.
Edit: I would like to believe that Kenny would have been on HvV if he hadn’t gotten cocky
I know we are desperate to scrub her from the archives of Survivor history, but I think Lillian Morris definitely deserves at least an honorable mention
Why would you think people are desperate to scrub her from the archives nobody even cares about her I think that's why nobody mentions her
Chrissy’s one of my all time favorites! I would love for them to bring her back as a villain for HvV2
I thought he was just gonna say "Kenney gets drunk" lmao
It sent me when he said "Russell Hantz wanna-bes" lmao
Fabio is more Golden Retriever than Jon Misch
I love Tai!!! His jury was bitter af.
I cought that ken combo reference. Good shit👍
Shout out Luke for the Ken combo reference! Ken is the og best player in smash bros melee lol
Big Brother does a great job at showing Heel Turns, because you definitely see more of people's true sides come out and it isn't pretty
Yea well Big Brother is airing as it’s being taped so the editors don’t know who’s gonna be the winner or who’s gonna make it deep. They aren’t crafting a narrative from the start that’s based on the end result.
On that same token, if a fan favourite suddenly starts acting really nasty, it’s just as much of a shock to production as it is to the viewers and they just portray what’s happening in real time
@Wild Card Watson I think you might be the only person in history to rewatch Season 19 haha
Wild Card Watson Ok but BB production would have no way of knowing Josh would beat Paul. Because Big Brother evictions air live. Josh only won by a single vote so it’s not like it was even a slam dunk. Any hinting that Josh might win was probably just the editors trying to keep things interesting, but in reality they never knew anything for sure
Will Sims Start from being No Collar to Dead Fish
Dawn from Caramoan?
The thumbnail o this video is glorious haha
Ken played Survivor like he played Melee.
What about Richard Hatch, he was originally beloved by his tribe (Kelly called him a sweetheart) and then after the Gretchen vote, he becomes a villain
For sure. I feel like his arc into villain extends beyond a single season though, like a James or JT
I did an in depth video about him and he was a heel from the very beginning to us and to those on the beach.
Once Upon An Island Maybe, I watched that video (But it was right when you started your channel) Maybe I should watch it again!😁
Ok but the thumbnail is so iconic
maybe brandon hantz a dude who went from a caring dude to a insane person by throwing there tribe rice
Although even early on in his first season he had the weird, "this woman on my tribe is attractive, therefore she is trying to tempt me from my monogamous ways and must be eliminated."
9:53 yo no way did you actually just nail that reference... This guy a melee fan?
Scout kinda had a heel turn during get season too
Scout was a passive aggressive player from the start.. no heel turn... always a heal
#1 Will Sims