Forging a tenon and the tools used in the forging

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  • čas přidán 24. 02. 2018
  • As we continue work on our "wrought iron" window grill project. We will need to forge tenons on the ends of the vertical bars. But first we need to make the tools to help forge the tenon.
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Komentáře • 53

  • @Leanderdw
    @Leanderdw Před rokem +1

    Thanx for really basic step by step video!

  • @WigsWonkyForge
    @WigsWonkyForge Před 6 měsíci +1

    Dude, just 👌 every time

  • @Dreadnought9411
    @Dreadnought9411 Před 11 měsíci

    The hole in the monkey tool is also needed to vent the air in the tube as the tenon is being inserted. It also acts as a vacumn breaker, when pulling out the tenon...love your videos 👍

  • @doingitoutdoors7083
    @doingitoutdoors7083 Před rokem +2

    Thanks for the video. I tried freehanding tenons this past Saturday. Epic failure. Because I didn't hit it squarely each time the tenon bent back and fourth as I worked and right about the time it was the right size, it broke off at the shoulder. I've ordered a Smithin' Magician from Blacksmith Supply. Wish me luck.

  • @user-ml3yf7pg7g
    @user-ml3yf7pg7g Před 5 měsíci +1

    Oh, now I see the monkey tool in use. Thank you.

  • @shortfuse43
    @shortfuse43 Před 6 lety +1

    This is the first really thorough video I have seen on creating a tenon. Wonderful...

  • @billygildark4565
    @billygildark4565 Před rokem

    I don’t know if you read comments on old videos but GS tongs does have a video making a tenon freehand on the anvil.
    It’s called “simple blacksmithing mortise and tenon. Wouldn’t work for a grille project but he did make it happen.

  • @scottjosen2606
    @scottjosen2606 Před 6 lety +1

    Watched at Sunday brunch with no volume...addictive stuff dude!

  • @donstephenson9474
    @donstephenson9474 Před 6 lety +1

    I always enjoy watching you work and sometimes I learn something new. Thanks for sharing.

  • @bmcdermid100
    @bmcdermid100 Před 6 lety +1

    Can't wait for the next couple of videos

  • @lenblacksmith8559
    @lenblacksmith8559 Před 6 lety +1

    Loving this very very interesting.

  • @godan51351
    @godan51351 Před 6 lety +1

    Great video! So informative! Can't wait for the other videos!

  • @williamcunha9136
    @williamcunha9136 Před 6 lety +1

    Thank You Big 🐻!

  • @TheRustyGarageandHomestead

    Great info as always

  • @3870TheDad
    @3870TheDad Před 6 lety

    Looking forward to your next videos!!

  • @standaffern6595
    @standaffern6595 Před 6 lety +1

    Building a smithing magician similar to yours. Now I got some more dies to make.
    Thought I'd be able to keep up, but my powerhammer project is eating up more of my shop time than i figured. Or I'm just too slow. Or maybe I'm watching too many blacksmithing videos. Either way I appreciate the time you are taking to teach your knowledge, as many of us have no other way to receive mentoring.

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety

      Thanks for the comment. There is never enough time in the shop to get it all done when we thought we would.

  • @SSSmithing
    @SSSmithing Před 6 lety

    Good video

  • @jakeradcliff3652
    @jakeradcliff3652 Před 6 lety +1

    Thank you for demonstrating methods that don't require the use of a power hammer. It would be awesome to have one of those, but until then...

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety

      I won't avoid the power hammer in all of the videos, but I do know that a large number of the people watching are limited in their tool selection.

  • @tobyjo57
    @tobyjo57 Před 5 lety

    Good education as always John. Would love to see the Wndow Grill go together

  • @jamesmcmillen4828
    @jamesmcmillen4828 Před 6 lety +1

    I hardly EVER use my guillotine tool's flat dies but after seeing how successfully yours worked out, I'm thinking of making tenoning dies out of them. Great video! I've got some mortise and tenons to do pretty soon, so its nice to have a bit of a refresher.

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety +1

      Glad it helped. I have a set of several top and bottom dies that can mix and match for a wide range of sizes. They were sold that way by the Blacksmiths Journal

    • @standaffern6595
      @standaffern6595 Před 6 lety

      Would like to see the dimensions of the various offsets of the top and bottom dies included, when you get to that video demonstration.

  • @mathiasrapp8904
    @mathiasrapp8904 Před 6 lety +1

    Shure I'll come back!

  • @wolfparty4234
    @wolfparty4234 Před 5 lety

    Oink, oink!!! 😂 😂

  • @user-en3te2qx3c
    @user-en3te2qx3c Před 7 měsíci

    DEILL A DEEP HOLE AND INSERT METAL ROD TO FORM TENON, THEN DRILL 2 PIN HOLES THRU SIDE AND INSERT PIN. FRUSH PINS WITH GRINDER. USE EXPOXY GLUE ON ROD AND PINS.

  • @nofunclub
    @nofunclub Před 6 lety

    Thanx
    This is exactly the next step in my sunflower wall grill project..
    The tooling was kind of an issue
    But I think you gave me some good pointers
    Let's see how it goes tomorrow morning

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety

      I am glad the timing works out. Tomorrow evening I should have the video on making a butcher ready to upload.

    • @nofunclub
      @nofunclub Před 6 lety

      Black Bear Forge I need to make a butcher tool
      I need it to solve my knife tang problematic issues thing to save some time and to gain control
      But I decided to weld on my current project
      Thanxalot for teaching us
      Keep it up
      Why not consider making a book and DVD education package?
      Save the craft

  • @vanpat52
    @vanpat52 Před 6 lety

    Looking forward for the next videos. I've a monkey tool and a small guillotine tool that does a good job but i'd better make some dies you've shown here in place of the double half round ones i use since now. Need also a butcher tool for a sqare marquing. I use my cut-off hardy with some success for now but needed to upset a lot more with the monkey tool as you showed. Pat from Belgium

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety +1

      I am glad the video was helpful. Double half rounds are what I use in my power hammer and are probably what I will show when I make a specific tenoning tool for this project.

  • @oxbowfarm5803
    @oxbowfarm5803 Před 6 lety +1

    I tried tenoning for the first time at my local blacksmith club meeting, I over-butchered the heck out of my test piece. I'm excited to see the butcher making video, I'm really curious as to the best bevel angle for them. I also got to see and use someone's Smithin Magician, but he did not have the gap die set, but there was a round swage die we used which worked great. I think I will definitely try and get some kind of similar guillotine style tool, I think the Smithin Magician is hard for me to justify $$$.

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety

      The smithing magician is expensive and if you have access to a welder they are easy to make. Butchering to deep is a common problem.

  • @VolodymyrMetlyakov
    @VolodymyrMetlyakov Před 4 lety +3

    In one of the blacksmithing books for beginners, I've seen recommendation to use full faced blows on the near edge to make tenon. On the picture there was a nice square shoulder. Of course I failed, ending up with some roughly rounded edge of the tenon, wondering how on Earth is it possible to do it this way. Apparently that wasn't too good suggestion for a neebie at the anvil. Thanks for clearing things out!

    • @analogplanet9675
      @analogplanet9675 Před 2 lety +1

      That's exactly what I came up with to "get by" making the odd tenon before I made a jig. I used a medium/small square headed hammer. Definitely not the greatest. Like you say, seeming impossible to get as sharp of a transition.

  • @jackdawg4579
    @jackdawg4579 Před 6 lety

    i've roughed out my tenons using a bottom half round swage. It's not to bad so far, just gentle hammer work on the top and got a good round tenon so far. Definitely need the monkey tool for finishing them off, (I suspect I'm to far along for the butchers tool to do what it does) I don't have a very well defined edge at the moment, looks like the monkey tool works well.

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety

      The worse your edge is the more heats it will take with the monkey tool, but it should be possible.

  • @shifty3453
    @shifty3453 Před 6 lety +1

    I have forged a bad tenon by hand. But I'm out off the shop for a while with an injury. So no video to show.

  • @bradymcphail9690
    @bradymcphail9690 Před 6 lety +1

    Another great one! Please concider showing us how you made your Cross Peen Hammer with the 45° angle end. You did say you made that hammer correct? I am really looking forward to the Monkey Bar and Guillotine. Yours is very cool!

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety

      That would be a good idea for a video. Yes, it is one I made many years ago.

    • @bradymcphail9690
      @bradymcphail9690 Před 6 lety +1

      Black Bear Forge your hammer was a good common sense, and probably less stress on the wrist and elbow.

  • @robphone4895
    @robphone4895 Před 6 lety

    Very informative again, thank you! Made myself a very simple blacksmith magician, how can I send you a picture? But you would need a welder I'm afraid.

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety +1

      They are certainly easier to make with a welder, but I think they can be done without. You may email a picture to switz@mindspring.com

  • @trminer
    @trminer Před 6 lety

    I have just become one of your Patreon subscribers, thanks for your excellent work! On another subject, are you familiar with Darryl Nelson's work and dvds? Mark Aspery has put a number of his tutorials on you tube.

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 6 lety

      Thanks. I am familiar with Darryl's work and have a demo piece he did at the Rocky Mountain Blacksmiths conference several years ago. I don't have any of his videos thou9gh.

  • @dragonwaterforge
    @dragonwaterforge Před 5 lety

    And what is a good metal for dies

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 5 lety +1

      For many of these dies 4140 is good, for cutting tools, S7 can be better.

  • @dragonwaterforge
    @dragonwaterforge Před 5 lety

    What's the ideal sshape for butcher tools

    • @BlackBearForge
      @BlackBearForge  Před 5 lety

      About a 70 degree angle is ideal. czcams.com/video/jlfaNFJSnGo/video.html

  • @paulorchard7960
    @paulorchard7960 Před 4 lety

    John, wes your monkey tool a crowbar in a former life?