Forging a tenon and the tools used in the forging
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2018
- As we continue work on our "wrought iron" window grill project. We will need to forge tenons on the ends of the vertical bars. But first we need to make the tools to help forge the tenon.
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Thanx for really basic step by step video!
Dude, just 👌 every time
The hole in the monkey tool is also needed to vent the air in the tube as the tenon is being inserted. It also acts as a vacumn breaker, when pulling out the tenon...love your videos 👍
Thanks for the video. I tried freehanding tenons this past Saturday. Epic failure. Because I didn't hit it squarely each time the tenon bent back and fourth as I worked and right about the time it was the right size, it broke off at the shoulder. I've ordered a Smithin' Magician from Blacksmith Supply. Wish me luck.
Oh, now I see the monkey tool in use. Thank you.
This is the first really thorough video I have seen on creating a tenon. Wonderful...
I don’t know if you read comments on old videos but GS tongs does have a video making a tenon freehand on the anvil.
It’s called “simple blacksmithing mortise and tenon. Wouldn’t work for a grille project but he did make it happen.
Watched at Sunday brunch with no volume...addictive stuff dude!
I always enjoy watching you work and sometimes I learn something new. Thanks for sharing.
Can't wait for the next couple of videos
Loving this very very interesting.
Great video! So informative! Can't wait for the other videos!
Thank You Big 🐻!
Great info as always
Looking forward to your next videos!!
Building a smithing magician similar to yours. Now I got some more dies to make.
Thought I'd be able to keep up, but my powerhammer project is eating up more of my shop time than i figured. Or I'm just too slow. Or maybe I'm watching too many blacksmithing videos. Either way I appreciate the time you are taking to teach your knowledge, as many of us have no other way to receive mentoring.
Thanks for the comment. There is never enough time in the shop to get it all done when we thought we would.
Good video
Thank you for demonstrating methods that don't require the use of a power hammer. It would be awesome to have one of those, but until then...
I won't avoid the power hammer in all of the videos, but I do know that a large number of the people watching are limited in their tool selection.
Good education as always John. Would love to see the Wndow Grill go together
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I hardly EVER use my guillotine tool's flat dies but after seeing how successfully yours worked out, I'm thinking of making tenoning dies out of them. Great video! I've got some mortise and tenons to do pretty soon, so its nice to have a bit of a refresher.
Glad it helped. I have a set of several top and bottom dies that can mix and match for a wide range of sizes. They were sold that way by the Blacksmiths Journal
Would like to see the dimensions of the various offsets of the top and bottom dies included, when you get to that video demonstration.
Shure I'll come back!
Oink, oink!!! 😂 😂
DEILL A DEEP HOLE AND INSERT METAL ROD TO FORM TENON, THEN DRILL 2 PIN HOLES THRU SIDE AND INSERT PIN. FRUSH PINS WITH GRINDER. USE EXPOXY GLUE ON ROD AND PINS.
Thanx
This is exactly the next step in my sunflower wall grill project..
The tooling was kind of an issue
But I think you gave me some good pointers
Let's see how it goes tomorrow morning
I am glad the timing works out. Tomorrow evening I should have the video on making a butcher ready to upload.
Black Bear Forge I need to make a butcher tool
I need it to solve my knife tang problematic issues thing to save some time and to gain control
But I decided to weld on my current project
Thanxalot for teaching us
Keep it up
Why not consider making a book and DVD education package?
Save the craft
Looking forward for the next videos. I've a monkey tool and a small guillotine tool that does a good job but i'd better make some dies you've shown here in place of the double half round ones i use since now. Need also a butcher tool for a sqare marquing. I use my cut-off hardy with some success for now but needed to upset a lot more with the monkey tool as you showed. Pat from Belgium
I am glad the video was helpful. Double half rounds are what I use in my power hammer and are probably what I will show when I make a specific tenoning tool for this project.
I tried tenoning for the first time at my local blacksmith club meeting, I over-butchered the heck out of my test piece. I'm excited to see the butcher making video, I'm really curious as to the best bevel angle for them. I also got to see and use someone's Smithin Magician, but he did not have the gap die set, but there was a round swage die we used which worked great. I think I will definitely try and get some kind of similar guillotine style tool, I think the Smithin Magician is hard for me to justify $$$.
The smithing magician is expensive and if you have access to a welder they are easy to make. Butchering to deep is a common problem.
In one of the blacksmithing books for beginners, I've seen recommendation to use full faced blows on the near edge to make tenon. On the picture there was a nice square shoulder. Of course I failed, ending up with some roughly rounded edge of the tenon, wondering how on Earth is it possible to do it this way. Apparently that wasn't too good suggestion for a neebie at the anvil. Thanks for clearing things out!
That's exactly what I came up with to "get by" making the odd tenon before I made a jig. I used a medium/small square headed hammer. Definitely not the greatest. Like you say, seeming impossible to get as sharp of a transition.
i've roughed out my tenons using a bottom half round swage. It's not to bad so far, just gentle hammer work on the top and got a good round tenon so far. Definitely need the monkey tool for finishing them off, (I suspect I'm to far along for the butchers tool to do what it does) I don't have a very well defined edge at the moment, looks like the monkey tool works well.
The worse your edge is the more heats it will take with the monkey tool, but it should be possible.
I have forged a bad tenon by hand. But I'm out off the shop for a while with an injury. So no video to show.
Another great one! Please concider showing us how you made your Cross Peen Hammer with the 45° angle end. You did say you made that hammer correct? I am really looking forward to the Monkey Bar and Guillotine. Yours is very cool!
That would be a good idea for a video. Yes, it is one I made many years ago.
Black Bear Forge your hammer was a good common sense, and probably less stress on the wrist and elbow.
Very informative again, thank you! Made myself a very simple blacksmith magician, how can I send you a picture? But you would need a welder I'm afraid.
They are certainly easier to make with a welder, but I think they can be done without. You may email a picture to switz@mindspring.com
I have just become one of your Patreon subscribers, thanks for your excellent work! On another subject, are you familiar with Darryl Nelson's work and dvds? Mark Aspery has put a number of his tutorials on you tube.
Thanks. I am familiar with Darryl's work and have a demo piece he did at the Rocky Mountain Blacksmiths conference several years ago. I don't have any of his videos thou9gh.
And what is a good metal for dies
For many of these dies 4140 is good, for cutting tools, S7 can be better.
What's the ideal sshape for butcher tools
About a 70 degree angle is ideal. czcams.com/video/jlfaNFJSnGo/video.html
John, wes your monkey tool a crowbar in a former life?
Most of mine are made from old jack hammer bits