I’m in the MBT practitioner certification developed by Bateman. This method has given me the confidence to work with antisocials as well as borderlines. 😊
Can you help me? I’m struggling with every facet of my life as I get older because i become more and more antisocial. I have never cared for others, and my boss and coworkers have been calling me out. They say it’s easy to change. They say i’m angry, i’m a bully, i don’t care, etc. i have ZERO clue how to change. my gf left me one day with a note and i didn’t care beyond being mad about the change of routine. they don’t believe that’s possible. I can maintain the facade for a short period of time, but to genuinely care or change feels impossible. how can i stop being “mad” if i don’t even feel mad? how can i care if i don’t care?
@@myrusEW what I have learned from Dr. Bateman is that persons with antisocial personality disorder are primarily struggling with self-esteem. Everything else comes out of that. Perhaps rather than trying to work on your behavior. if you work on your self-esteem, you may find that.even if you don’t care about others you will get along better.
What does a person need to admit they've been wrong? To let go of an impenetrable defense system? On one hand they need to be in touch with the pain it causes, but also, in the presence of acceptance, compassion, love, non-judgment - which a defended mind can't imagine other's having. It's a risk. But the prize may be being fully human, the pearl of great price.
Rebbie is very lucid and in tune with these conversations. I appreciate her additions and articulations, very insightful and helpful! In some very poignant way she engages in a truly collaborative way with Dr. Bateman, which to me exemplifies a goal of recovery from these various pathologies she presents upon. It truly is an honest and encompassed presentation of potentials toward recovery and the awareness involved in this process toward greater awareness around personality disorders.
I've found her to be a present and effective listener throughout the videos she has produced. She has helpful insights. I've found her series on personality psychopathology/adaptations to be very informative and worthwhile.
I live with anti social personality disorder. I commend you for trying to help people like me. I have found, (many things ) about myself. If I had not I would be in prison or dead. One of the big things is keeping the disorder singular, and not let other mental illness get a foothold(bipolar depression, sociopathic persona etc. When this happens the person become volatile. This why serial killers have this and other disorders
Thank you for this upload. I have a dreadful feeling my ex may have "conned" me of the person she was. I completely recognise my own part of being "conned" it was the first relationship I was in, even though I'm in my 50's, I have been very lonely most of my life so thinking someone liked me/ loved me was a totally new experience for me. it didn't sit happily with me and I was desperate to have an end to loneliness thinking we could be together. I realise because of my history of loneliness and depression it was possibly more difficult for me to see things weren't right between us until things got really difficult while my dad was dying and my mum's dementia got worse. I wish I could find a therapist to talk all this over with but the NHS is inundated with people needing help and I've had lots of help in the past. I'm struggling now to think I'd be able to trust a therapist again. It's all so messed up. Your videos really help me question myself and try to understand my problems better and to try to see things from others point of view. Again thank you
Thank you for all the work everyone does on these. I hope ASPD can have as much scrutiny as BPD because it may, like other PD, be severely under diagnosed and the best conners are at the top just fluffed up and getting away because of money.
@@nasreenbari2765 yup, research goes into avoiding those "small" (half of population) cases, just like historical research of safety of seatbelts avoided pregnancy. Gets too complicated but it is very "easy" to become selfish and knock people up, pardon my french. Even for "engineers".
Amazing! He is so synced that even the siren that passed by blended in harmony 🙌🏽 💪🏽 Hipnotising! 👌🏽👍🏽 Thank you Sir! 🫡 Much love & respect 🙏🏽 ❤ ~ Borneo, Malaysia
Where can someone find this kind of treatment?? My experience with most therapists is a vast lack of experience in unraveling complicated mental conditions.
As a layman I encounter the word valence from time to time. What I understand is that valence is the emotion that determine emotional affect. But I have also read that arousal is more strong than valence. Valence is more graded and ambigious but arousal is stronger. People suffering from BPD are more prone to express their affect through arousal than valence? Anyone here can clarify this?
Need help with cluster b personality and type one bipolar main mood mania instense borderline emotions dont even know if i know anything else than uncomfortable happy or intense rage need to do therapy asap got money
Some of the narratives about antisocial, borderline, and narcissistic personality is quite damaging and certainly not helpful to the individual or society. This is particularly so of one prominent clinical psychologist who has created a type of modern mythology of the boogeyman that only a few, such as herself, are brave enough and intelligent enough to understand. I guess it sells books, gets sponsors, and just makes for a more interesting story.
A search yielded the following result in 2 to 3 seconds: “Valence, or hedonic tone, is the affects' property specifying the intrinsic attractiveness/"good[ness]" (positive valence) or averseness/"bad[ness]" (negative valence) of an object, event, or situation. The term also categorises emotions.”
I think I'll wait until the studies of MBT with ASPD against control groups comes out before making a judgement. As far as I am aware, no treatment has worked so far in relation to ASPD. In fact, all counselling has only made people with ASPD better at deceiving the counselors.Having said that, Dr. Anthony bateman , who is a colleague of Dr. Peter Fonagy, are doing good work, most recently, one of their theories has been shown to be true, namely reflexive function and mirror neurons confirming this. So, best of luck to them.
Dr Bateman, if you are referring to ANPD (and not just antisocial behavior), I strongly disagree with the statement that it is simply an adaptation to the patient's environment (I believe your word was "context"). Sometimes it is merely a cultural adaptation, other times it is structural.
@@patrickthestar132you just made a leap. It can be the best treatment, that has nothing to do with whether they think antisocial people should be in jail. Two completely unrelated concepts.
Not really. Many people say prison just made them better criminals since they’re locked up with others in the same trades who have nothing to do but talk for years
I’m in the MBT practitioner certification developed by Bateman. This method has given me the confidence to work with antisocials as well as borderlines. 😊
Thank you for trying, please dont give up but please respect your boundaries.
Can you help me? I’m struggling with every facet of my life as I get older because i become more and more antisocial. I have never cared for others, and my boss and coworkers have been calling me out. They say it’s easy to change. They say i’m angry, i’m a bully, i don’t care, etc. i have ZERO clue how to change. my gf left me one day with a note and i didn’t care beyond being mad about the change of routine. they don’t believe that’s possible. I can maintain the facade for a short period of time, but to genuinely care or change feels impossible. how can i stop being “mad” if i don’t even feel mad? how can i care if i don’t care?
@@myrusEW what I have learned from Dr. Bateman is that persons with antisocial personality disorder are primarily struggling with self-esteem. Everything else comes out of that. Perhaps rather than trying to work on your behavior. if you work on your self-esteem, you may find that.even if you don’t care about others you will get along better.
That’s amazing.
This is so true. I am diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.
What does a person need to admit they've been wrong? To let go of an impenetrable defense system?
On one hand they need to be in touch with the pain it causes, but also, in the presence of acceptance, compassion, love, non-judgment - which a defended mind can't imagine other's having. It's a risk. But the prize may be being fully human, the pearl of great price.
Define “fully human.”
@@slofty I think the best answer to that question is to put it back to you - what does that mean to you?
Poetic
Rebbie is very lucid and in tune with these conversations. I appreciate her additions and articulations, very insightful and helpful! In some very poignant way she engages in a truly collaborative way with Dr. Bateman, which to me exemplifies a goal of recovery from these various pathologies she presents upon. It truly is an honest and encompassed presentation of potentials toward recovery and the awareness involved in this process toward greater awareness around personality disorders.
agreed!
I've found her to be a present and effective listener throughout the videos she has produced. She has helpful insights. I've found her series on personality psychopathology/adaptations to be very informative and worthwhile.
I live with anti social personality disorder. I commend you for trying to help people like me. I have found, (many things ) about myself. If I had not I would be in prison or dead. One of the big things is keeping the disorder singular, and not let other mental illness get a foothold(bipolar depression, sociopathic persona etc. When this happens the person become volatile. This why serial killers have this and other disorders
He's SO good at demonstrating the non-mentalizing bevahior that I get a little bit scared despite myself
Thank you for this upload.
I have a dreadful feeling my ex may have "conned" me of the person she was.
I completely recognise my own part of being "conned" it was the first relationship I was in, even though I'm in my 50's, I have been very lonely most of my life so thinking someone liked me/ loved me was a totally new experience for me. it didn't sit happily with me and I was desperate to have an end to loneliness thinking we could be together.
I realise because of my history of loneliness and depression it was possibly more difficult for me to see things weren't right between us until things got really difficult while my dad was dying and my mum's dementia got worse.
I wish I could find a therapist to talk all this over with but the NHS is inundated with people needing help and I've had lots of help in the past.
I'm struggling now to think I'd be able to trust a therapist again.
It's all so messed up.
Your videos really help me question myself and try to understand my problems better and to try to see things from others point of view.
Again thank you
Thank you for this. Wishing you the best during difficult times. -P
@@BorderlinerNotes thank you very much
Thank you, I’ve been hesitant to work with this population but after this interview/information, I might just attempt it🙏
Thank you for all the work everyone does on these. I hope ASPD can have as much scrutiny as BPD because it may, like other PD, be severely under diagnosed and the best conners are at the top just fluffed up and getting away because of money.
especially for the female population
@@nasreenbari2765 yup, research goes into avoiding those "small" (half of population) cases, just like historical research of safety of seatbelts avoided pregnancy. Gets too complicated but it is very "easy" to become selfish and knock people up, pardon my french. Even for "engineers".
@@A-sh1eh absolutely in agreement with you
Amazing! He is so synced that even the siren that passed by blended in harmony 🙌🏽 💪🏽 Hipnotising! 👌🏽👍🏽
Thank you Sir! 🫡
Much love & respect 🙏🏽 ❤ ~ Borneo, Malaysia
So I completely respect Dr. Anthony Bateman's perspectives...but I can't stop hearing Scar's voice from The Lion King 😅
Lol, I had to doublecheck that one and I hear it too! -P
Thank you. I did not know that Mentalization Based Therapy could be used for ASPD too.
Where can someone find this kind of treatment?? My experience with most therapists is a vast lack of experience in unraveling complicated mental conditions.
As a layman I encounter the word valence from time to time. What I understand is that valence is the emotion that determine emotional affect. But I have also read that arousal is more strong than valence. Valence is more graded and ambigious but arousal is stronger.
People suffering from BPD are more prone to express their affect through arousal than valence?
Anyone here can clarify this?
Need help with cluster b personality and type one bipolar main mood mania instense borderline emotions dont even know if i know anything else than uncomfortable happy or intense rage need to do therapy asap got money
But does he know what the I is? What is the I. Listen to J kristnamurti.
Some of the narratives about antisocial, borderline, and narcissistic personality is quite damaging and certainly not helpful to the individual or society. This is particularly so of one prominent clinical psychologist who has created a type of modern mythology of the boogeyman that only a few, such as herself, are brave enough and intelligent enough to understand. I guess it sells books, gets sponsors, and just makes for a more interesting story.
Can I make a suggestion? Keep camera only on person being interviewed otherwise it’s distracting for viewers.
What is an “antisocial valence”?
im sure she used that as a mask, a true antisocial core but a vail of social ability.
A search yielded the following result in 2 to 3 seconds:
“Valence, or hedonic tone, is the affects' property specifying the intrinsic attractiveness/"good[ness]" (positive valence) or averseness/"bad[ness]" (negative valence) of an object, event, or situation. The term also categorises emotions.”
I think I'll wait until the studies of MBT with ASPD against control groups comes out before making a judgement. As far as I am aware, no treatment has worked so far in relation to ASPD. In fact, all counselling has only made people with ASPD better at deceiving the counselors.Having said that, Dr. Anthony bateman , who is a colleague of Dr. Peter Fonagy, are doing good work, most recently, one of their theories has been shown to be true, namely reflexive function and mirror neurons confirming this. So, best of luck to them.
I am a intervert and it is hard to understand what your point is
Antisocial as in psychopathic, not someone who doesn’t like to socialize. Confusing term
Dr Bateman, if you are referring to ANPD (and not just antisocial behavior), I strongly disagree with the statement that it is simply an adaptation to the patient's environment (I believe your word was "context"). Sometimes it is merely a cultural adaptation, other times it is structural.
let the man talk for god's sake
Prison is the BEST treatment for antisocial personality disorder
Wow… you know that we are not all criminals?
@@patrickthestar132you just made a leap. It can be the best treatment, that has nothing to do with whether they think antisocial people should be in jail. Two completely unrelated concepts.
let's go ahead and throw you in there then
Not really. Many people say prison just made them better criminals since they’re locked up with others in the same trades who have nothing to do but talk for years
That lack of empathy makes u look exactly like those who u judge. Self awareness is obviously necessary sir.