The Old Jubilee Line
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Everyone talks about the new bit of the Jubilee Line. I wanna talk about the old bit.
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Overwhelming coziness, both in architecture and in intonation. Soothing for the soul, nourishing for the mind. Thank you, Sir.
Someone described the Jubilee line as built for cyber slaves by Goddess Thatcher in the 26th century.
They wanted to try to prove that Victoria was better.
Don't worry, me supporting Jubilee won that game.
Are you talking about the narration or the juggalos
@@adonaiyah2196 both, I think
Go on, tell us the story of Metroland, we all know you want to.
Being from the north east I first thought of the old theme park at metro centre
Ironic that in the 1930s the Underground was undercutting the main lines, whereas by the late 1970s some of the most expensive fares in Britain were on the Met to the Amersham/Watford area. I think it was cheaper to travel from Great Missenden and beyond to Marylebone than from the Amersham-Rickmansworth section, and that draconian measures were needed to prevent people breaking their journey in the LT area; railcards were also banned. The anomalies were resolved with the advent of the Travelcard; maybe worth a video, as surely no one simple ticket has ever changed the city's transport habits so much, both for people inside and outside London (my day trips from Portsmouth, Oxford or Cambridge to London were revolutionised by the ease of hopping on and off tubes and buses without buying tickets or paying extra).
Of course the older section that opened in 1979 didn’t go from Stanmore to Westminster, but Stanmore to Charing Cross
..so Stanmore - Green Park junction then...
"Cedars Estate! That's where I live!"
Yes, originally owned by the Metropolitan and originally a picnic area - safe countryside for townies. Rickmansworth became a bit of a spa town.
My road was built in 1929 but there was steady inter-War development.
The Three Rivers Museum in Ricky has a wealth of records and information about Metroland
I usually find a rolled up newspaper and a can of "Raid" to be very effective for beating off airship pirates....or was that wasps?
Same thing
That's wasps. For airship pirates you need a spritzer bottle... or was that kittens?
And they happily lift ever after..
I was waiting for a "until of course.." One of the rare farietale jago vids.
Another video with no mention of Charles Tyson Yerkes. Starting to get withdrawal symptoms. Another great video despite the aforementioned omission.
The mental image of Prince Shadrach settling down to enjoy an evening of Bob Ross, is a strangely pleasing one. If he wasn't completely chilled before, he will be after a good Bob Ross session.
Pressing the 'dislike' button twice to show your ire is a worthwhile exercise.
Stories of airship pirates tend to balloon in retelling.
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How to do sponsorship that people don't skip!
Da Da, tisss
A load of hot air.
You should have mentioned the tube stock with the shortest lifespan.
Never have I enjoyed an online ad as much as that one!
Oh - a Jago video? That was great too!
Shadrach's remains were found during excavation work for the Liz Line at Whitechapel, his first name was Jack.
Yes, Jago, there's more. And so to official opening date for the Jubilee Line. For reasons best known to myself, I was at Wembley Park when a tube train driven by one Prince Charles passed en route to Stanmore. Everyday use? It took Londoners a few weeks to realise there was a new service. A combination of this, plus staff shortages, meant that only 1,000 out of the planned 20,000 passengers per day used the initial services - and there was still over-crowding! One passenger told the London Evening Standard to tell LT, "this is your biggest cock-up ever!"
One factor affecting the Stanmore branch was that before the Jubilee arrived, all rush-hour Bakerloo line trains went on to Stanmore. After 1979, only half the Stanmore trains went on past Wembley Park - a cut in service.
I could regale you about the time the Scottish football fans left Wembley after the England-Scotland game - and left their high-brow intellectual imprint on Jubilee line services over the weekend... Enough.
That’s all very well, but what was Lionel doing while you distracted Prince Shadrach with talk of VPNs?
Something nefarious no doubt.
Buying barriers for the Tube lines.
@@88kristina Conspiring with the shade of Charles Tyson Yerkes
@@stevefry5783 Nah, 50 shades greyer.
Thank you for part 2 of the air ship pirates story. Definitely worth the wait !
Stanmore was the place northerners - that is anyone from Watford to Orkney - sought street parking in a bid to avoid central London's exorbitant fees. I expect this saving has since been curtailed by the powers that be.
Only Jago Hazzard could make an interesting ad for VPN services...
Jay Foreman: "Am I a joke to you?"
@@mfaizsyahmi and the other map man, whatever he's called.
Someone isn't familiar with the Critical Role Nordverse Saga. 😁
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This is the first time I'm ever given a round of applause for an ad. I'll continue watching now.
Passengers are now Jubilant at least for a fleeting while!
1979
Was opened to Charing Cross not Westminster.
There's a certain whiff of tragedy about the Metropolitan Railway - it was trying to be a north of the Thames version of the Southern Railway with all its fancy electrified lines and an S-Bahn vibe but - dun-dun-deeeer, it suddenly got horrifically swallowed by the TUBE. I'm never sure that it had done anything to deserve this ghastly fate, maybe someone will turn it into a station bookshop thriller, "Ten Days in 1932", "The Decline and Fall of Metroland" - or something.
"Watkin Total Railway Wreaker" would be the first part of the "Met Rail Misery" trilogy . Yerkes was an out and out crook who stole investors money, but gave London an Underground it would never had had. Watkin also stole investors money, but created nothing but waste. The Metropolitan Railway's shacking up with Watkin's Grand Central was like going into partnership with "Airship Pirates Inc".
@@glynwelshkarelian3489 Watkins' ultimate goal was a main line from the middle(ish) of England to Paris and he very nearly succeeded. Whether his already started Channel Tunnel would have worked, we'll never know, but it was only scuppered by some pretty ridiculous objections from the British military. Had that been successful, there's a very good chance he would have acheived his dream and a train would have left Manchester one morning and, by way of the MSLR, the Met, the SER, the tunnel and the Chemin de Fer du Nord, would have run into Paris later that day.
He had railway interests elsewhere too but even he couldn't link the Met to Canada. His biggest "waste" was probably the tower at Wembley, not his best bit of business.😁
@@2H80vids Imagine how World War 2 would've turned out if that tunnel gotten built. Would've open alot of opportunities for both axis.
@@robotx9285 Makes me wonder if either side would have sabotaged it, protected it, booby-trapped it, or risked using it.
10 out of 10 for the ad read alone! The video was pure bonus
Hello, Jago - your video has stirred up so many memories for me. I tried to copy and paste into this Comments section but I was not allowed to. So here I am, typing my comments out again bit by bit. Please excuse any spelling mistakes.
I was brought up in Canons Park (highlight: two Soviet spies met there about fifty years ago).I did Canons Park to Charing Cross from 1979-1987. Everyone used to get off at Green Park, leaving your humble servant virtually on his own.
Before the Jubilee Line route was finally determined, it was indeed the Fleet Line. The local GLC member for Harrow East, Harold Mote, informed a select gathering in confidence that part of the original Fleet Line had been built because some building materials were lying around and they might just as well have been used up. This, of course, went terribly wrong as the Jubilee Line took another route altogether and a stretch of useless underground track is still around in South-East London.
Come to think of it, Green Park to Charing Cross was also abandoned, voiding my own plan for a line extended from Charing Cross under The Strand to hook up with the Aldwych branch and Holborn. At this point, my wife has just switched the light off and I must retire for the night. More follows!
The Metropolitan's real estate grants sound pretty similar to the US government grants that the various transcontinental railroads received to build their lines. Likewise, they also made a pretty penny selling this to farmers; often sending out advertisements around the world.
Anyway, among the grants received by the Northern Pacific Railroad, which ran from Minneapolis across the northern tier states to Seattle, was a certain mountain near its western end called Mount St. Helens. Obviously it couldn't really offer that land as farmland, but it could sell the timber rights, and did. Said mountain was still under the ownership of the Northern Pacific's successor, the Burlington Northern Railroad, when it blew in 1980. Hope the BN had volcano insurance.
Then of course you have the modern day, where BART intends to build high density housing where it currently has parking lots, and the suburbanites cry out that it should be there for them! Oh, how the tables have turned!
Though timber growing on a slope is less valued than timber growing on flat land. Sets up stresses in the wood of its trunk…
@@markiangooley That is interesting. East of Melbourne we have huge areas of 200 to 300 foot high forests and timber from the hilly and flat areas sells for the same price. But they are hardwood while I think the forests near Seattle are conifers (softwood). Perhaps that makes a difference?
Just wanted to thank you, as always for your videos. Your calm informative voice and choice of subjects continue to help me thru these anxiety ridden times...
I giggle everytime I see a pic of Watkin
8:56- true to TfL’s old slogan at the time. They DID bring London “to the door” of the Suburbanites…
Even the in house ad was enjoyable 😅
Those puns at the beginning....lol
Charing Cross was actually two separate stations!
Trafalgar Square, served by the Bakerloo. And Strand station, served by the Northern Line.
Not to be confused with Strand (later Aldwych) station on the Piccadilly!
YAY...North West London Tube coverage! Been waiting for this for so long. Now I want more!
Excellent explanation Jago! I've always wondered about the older section of the Jubilee Line from Baker Street to Stanmore (i.e. previously part of the Bakerloo and Metropolitan lines). It was only relatively recently that I realised that at Baker Street both the Bakerloo and Jubilee Lines are at the same levels below the surface, and so that must have been interesting when the Jubilee sections were also Bakerloo sections. I had no idea that even before the section of line was Bakerloo, it was originally part of the Metropolitan Line. More really interesting history. 👏🏾❤👍🏾
it's Been ages since i've seen your videos and i'm so happy that you've finally got a sponsor! You deserved it , I've been around since 15k and Your content has improved! Hope the future is even brighter , hope you get more sponsors to!
I would definitely listen to an audiobook narrated by you, thanks for another fascinating glimpse into the history of the Tube!
Wonderful video Jago. I have many fond memories of riding on the Jubilee line to Charing Cross on the much maligned 1983 Stock trains.
I’ve wanted to know more about this history for a while, thanks for this one!
Surfshark should give you an award, Jago 🏆 , for THE BEST WAY to put the spotlight on your sponsor 👏👏👏. Loved it!!!
A nice "filling in" video that joins it all together.
Nicely done Jabo - many thanks
Shadrach was the name of my first dog (well, he was a kelpie - Australian sheepdog - that my grandfather got the year I was born, on the farm). Sadly he died from distemper aged only 5, having been as useful at chasing swallows as he was at chasing sheep.
I would love to see more on the Overground in these wonderful videos. I like the look of those stations on viaducts out on the GOBLIN line, with all those "lock-ups" they're always going on about on your Pommy cop shows like New Tricks and The Bill.
Ah Kelpies, they make the best sheepdogs and the worst urban pets. They have far too much energy to be kept in small areas, but wow, they can run forever.
@@Dave_Sisson Our last kelpie Jess had a lovely urban retirement, sitting out on my parents' deck in Eltham and greeting visitors with a full-body nose-to-tail wag. Before she moved to town, as a sheepdog, she'd be off home across miles of paddock at the first grumpy shout from my Dad.
Can you do a video about the Jubilee line West of Eastminster?
Whenever I drove into London, I always parked near Stanmore tube and took the train into the city from there.
The overcrowding situation has me recalling a similar situation at Tokyo with the westward Keio Line. At its bottleneck, Meidaimae Station, a train arrives every 60 or so seconds. Barely a train arrives at the station and you can already see the next train pulling up to around 100m behind it.
Oh, and subway trains also run on the same 2-track stretch in addition to the commuter trains! It's still this way today as plans to quad-track the line hasn't broke ground.
It's absolutely brilliant that you presented the ad for Surfshark in the format of a Steampunk radio drama. Best laugh I've had all week! (Even though it *Did* make tomato soup come out my nose) Well done!
First ad I have been legitimately entertained by in *Years*!
Oh god, your ads are just great! I actually want Surfshark now just because of that ad
Something that hadn't struck me before - although the Metropolitan was a "main line" railway, it escaped the grouping of 1923, despite the LNER sharing its tracks for many miles, presumably on the grounds that it was a London commuter-type line. But on that basis it made sense for it to be rolled in with the other lines in the Underground group in 1933. You can't have your cake and eat it!
Yerkes. No Yerkes?! Listens grumpily then remembers despot and depot are only one letter apart. Self congratulatory smile AND a biscuit. Wonderful video as always.
Another excellent video about space pirates! The bit about the jubilee line was interesting too 😀
For the first time in You Tube history, I've seen an ad that left me wanting more, the rest of the video wasn't bad either.
It's worth noting that Baker Street had two southbound platforms for the Bakerloo Line even before the Jubilee Line was built one for trains from the Stanmore branch the other for the existing branch from Watford/Harrow/Paddington, etc. It had only one northbound however, so a second one had to be built for Jubilee Line trains from Charing Cross to Stanmore, to completely segregate them from the Bakerloo service. The Stanmore branch southbound Bakerloo platform which is now the southbound Jubilee platform, originally had decor matching the 30's styles of St John's Wood and Swiss Cottage. Some may say unfortunately, this was all swept away, and the platform redecorated the match the then "modern" 70's style of the rest of the station area. At least when St John's Wood and Swiss Cottage were renovated it was done in a style sympathetic to the originals including the bronzed finishes to the escalator panels, completely with uplighters, to look like the old wooden panelled machines they replaced, whilst removing that particular fire hazard.
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Great video as usual Jago. Small correction is that you mention at 2:05 the old section ending at Westminster, which of course was rather Charing Cross (as you correctly show later in the video)
Another fab video Jago - thanks for the informative and jolly excellent presentation as always.
London Transport might call it Metroland, 1990's ruudeboyz and roadmen call dere yardz "Norf Weezy" innit! The uniform interwar architecture that sprawled Harrow, Edgware, Ruislip and all the intermediate areas just oozes the homely charm and character that is somewhat missing from the millennial conurbation reaching for the skies like an S Club 7 hit! Your videos always remind me of growing up with rose tinted spectacles to a time when London was Home.
So Jago, tell me, as a kid, did you ever get off the Jubilee at Finchley Road and hop on the Met to see how many Jubilee line trains you can overtake, anticipating there a train waiting at the platform at Wembley park to take you onwards to Stanmore. The amount of disappointment I had when the next inbound train terminated at Wembley Park!
As Del Boy might have said, "Lovely Jubilee"!
I love a happy ending, who knew we would get so many in one tale.
Honestly this surf shark promo show is really fun
Overcrowded but enjoyable as always - thanks Jago
The introduction with the "aircraft" is from Jules Verne- there was a movie based on that called "The Master of the World" with Vincent Price. They all die at the end,
You do make me chuckle, Jago - I'm in your area and would love to grab a pint sometime!
Watched 3 videos by you in one sitting. Ok, got you. Subscribed xD
First in video advert I really enjoyed.
The video itself not bad at all.
Thanks Jago for expanding my knowledge of the London rail communication network. :)
I shall no longer skip through the sponsors ad after this🤣
Best sponsor ad ever.
I used to live in my parents house which backed onto the Bakerloo Line between Queensbury and Canons Park (we are talking 1959 onwards) down a long garden. I used to be woken up in the early hours of some mornings by gangs of track maintenance workers sorting out the track. They had all their equipment in a Steam hauled goods train on whichever track they were not working on in order to fix the other track. I went down my dad's garden quite a few times to see what was going on. How old am I?
This ad integration is the absolute best ;)
The advert is as good as the content.
I notice in old photographs that some Underground stations were officially called The Tube, this term not being slang for the Underground as is commonly supposed. It seems the Metropolitan Railway was conceived of as a standard loading gauge line that has since acquired a split personality running LT stock. The Isle of Wight is currently undergoing works with platforms being raised to take refurbished D stock. The old 1923 and 1938 stock required lower platforms. It was thought that the loading gauge on the IOW required tube stock, but when measurements were taken it was discovered that standard gauge stock could be used. D stock is a standard loading gauge and not an actual tube train. You might like to make a video about the stock used on the Island. One unit is now on the Epping and Ongar which will be a good lead into the following video in your series on LT stock which you are going to make. Thanks for uploading.
I dont mind watching your little ads for Surfshark. You are a very entertaining guy. You deserve many more subscribers. I am sure it will come
Wailing and nashing of teeth that doesn't involve Mr. Yerkes? Oh my!
He died before the Underground group started their northern extensions.
Best ad I've ever seen.
It has not gone unnoticed that the zeppelin pirates have been renamed to airship pirates and are now in the employ of surfshark.
I'm all for sponsorship on this channel if it means we get more airship pirate lore.
Jago, the only channel on CZcams that can make adverts sound interesting.
Map men.
Certainly not the only one, but it is fairly rare.
Lucid chart are aweaome.
"Yes"
Ooh that Shadrach, 'ees a wrong'un.
One of the better surfshark promos I've seen, I'll not get it but kudos to you 👍
And so Cutler got a knighthood in 1979. The usual reason things get named after the monarch is someone looking to creep themselves a gong
Thanks for usual interesting video...and for once an advert that wasn't intensely irritating and that I quite enjoyed. I don't think I have need of Surfshark, but if I did I'm sure your advert would have encouraged me to try. 😊
Ironically, the JLE has the most modern architecture in the Tube. Westminster station is my favourite
Why is that ironic?
@@ed.drinkwater3815 Cause this vid be talking about the "old" Jubilee line
Another interesting video. Well done jago. 🇬🇧
Jago, are you going to do a video on north greenwich station’s extra platform to accommodate the proposed extension to thanesmead?
Cool idea!
I did briefly mention it in the video on North Greenwich, but I must admit that I didn't know enough about it to go into detail. I would like to cover the potential extension once I've found more info on it (apart from anything else, I've already got lots of footage of Thamesmead).
@@JagoHazzard great to hear, hopefully looking forward to seeing a video about this, another interesting topic could be talking about the various floodgates on the network like the ones at embankment and bank
There was no such place as Queensbury, until the railway was built. The station, built in open fields with no habitation for some distance, was named Queensbury because it was the station after Kingsbury.
Including maps would have made this far more palatable.
So the Jubilee line actually did bring jubilation? What a nice story ending :D
Bonus points to Jago for using the term science pirate. I think he lives in his own steampunk pocket universe sometimes.
Brilliant Thanks Jago
I love the intro
I want to hear more about Zeppelin pirates!
Best surfshark ad ever.
Great video.💖
A time lapse map of the Underground from earliest days to now would be wonderful. Wouldn't it?
Fascinating!
The Jubilee line did a good job of relieving the Bakerloo Line when you consider how underused it is in comparison to other deep-level tubes
Thanks
I love the illustrations in the advert.
Are they from Verne's 'Master of the World'?
They are.
TWO THINGS in this World REALLY get my nose.....Air Pirates and.....USED CAR SALESMAN.
hi, passengers could also travel from Stanmore Village station via Belmont and in to Harrow and Wealdstone stn then come in to london,.i understand that Stanmore Village stn was there before the underground stn, there was also a goods yard next to the station which is now a housing estate
Peter - you are right. Stanmore Station was opened in 1890 - it did not become Stanmore Village Station until 1948. I think the goods yard is now September Way or maybe Porters Cottages. Some of the
Ok, I've just watched the intro of this one and pressed pause. With other YT vids, I'm normally gritting my teeth, itching to hammer the skip button, but you my friend kept me on tenter hooks about Mr. Pirate/Matey fella! Was sure you were gonna end by shamelessly plagiarizing some little-known energy drink's motto by closing with 'Surfshark gives you wings' (or should it be Sea Legs?) 🤣 Whatever the case, you deserve quadruple the sponsorship for creativity alone 👏👏👏 Now, pause 'off', it's back to the main event...