Feels to me like the players should also be punished. Large fines for players, suspending them for several years and stripping their title would really make this a punishment.
Players def got off wayyy too easy but they got a deal that if they admit what they did, they would have immunity. So theres nothing MLB could do after that. however, I would say the term "them" is too subjective because we do not know exactly which players actually took part in it or was even aware of it.
Apso fucking lootley!! Astro fans can still claim their team are world series champs, because MLB flat out refuses to take the championship away from the Astros. " Hey, our team cheated we won the world series, so it was all worth it in the end!"
"do you want to suspend them for life like Pete Rose" ......ummmm yes...and I'm serious af too. Anybody having anything to do with this from the owner to the waterboy should be gone imo...integrity of the game should count for something
@@donsolos prove it. Astros fans have really tried their best for that "trashiest fanbase award" trophy. you can tell how new to baseball they really are. the wagon lost its wheels. all that crying about that "fan interference" in 2018 against the sox and now they're trying to say cheating is ok
You're out of your damn mind, even if you know what pitch is coming batters still have to hit the ball in play....... Is it an advantage yes but its not that much of an advantage to be banned for LIFE!
This wasn't "bringing down the hammer". The Astros are keeping their World Series title. The fans will complain for a few years but MLB doesn't add asterisks to titles or records. They got away with it.
Yes, and 4 crucial draft picks for their future and they gave up their manager and brains of the organization in their GM. Oh and a stain on their last 3 years. But yes they “essentially” paid 5m for a title.
Then you’d need to strip CY young’s, previous titles, All star votes, MVPs, basically every award/title tied to cheating over the last 100 years. So please, let’s be mature about this.
This is far worse than what pete rose did. Slap on the wrist. Yeah rich we dont know but Dodgers lost 12-13 in one world series game. What really bothers me is that MLB or the yankees or the Dodgers did not catch this. If not for a random fan, (johmboy I think) it would Never have come out!!
@@MrJimmy3459 Obviously "on par" is a foreign term for you. It means "close to equal...possibly equal." Not greater than. You obviously read this sentence in the order you chose to. It is "far worse" than Pete Rose. I agree with both sentiments. Baseball needs to ban a few guys from the league and their title should be taken away.
I’ll be completely transparent by stating that I am a Dodgers fan. However, this is far from an acceptable punishment that is fair and that will deter any other team from doing this in the future. It was well time and orchestrated in its release. Jim Crane wins and MLB loses.
Rich it is not enough if the players are not suspended involved for a year as well. It has been well documented that the cheating idea came from the players. All this tells players is they can cheat as much as they want with no consequence.
@@theheathuman9158 From what i understand, Mike Fiers snitched everyone out, so they already know every player involved. They said a lot of players moved on to other teams and it would hurt too many teams to suspend the players involved, which is a load of bullshit.
20 years ago when MLB salaries started routinely breaking the $1 million mark, friends and I would joke about whether the game would be the same now that a bunch of millionaires were playing against other millionaires... Lol! The spirit of the game was definitely altered. Fast forward to today where virtually every franchise has a valuation of $1 billion or more, and what we have instead of teams in competition with each other is multinational brands vying for global market-share. And all of these institutions are now owned by billionaires or equally wealthy consortiums who have an orthodox belief in the bottom-line. All of this has badly damaged the soul of Baseball. There's no way that Manfred could police his bosses effectively and objectively and still expect to keep his job. The MLB has become just like every other corrupt, parasitic "too big to fail" institution. And it only took 174 years! Boys of summer my arse... it's more like "boys of diversified portfolios and guaranteed defined pensions". That doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, lol. Rant over :(
You're mostly right, but missed the big internal conflict- the players are paid a lot, but only a fraction of the actual profits. Owners are great at getting fans to think their players are overpaid w/o ever considering the actual bottom line. Lerner couldn't afford Rendon & Strasburg! Please. Stra even was willing to take deferments to keep Rendon. What was Lerner willing to sacrifice? The players have an interest in getting paid & owners want to pay as little as necessary. The Black Sox were underpaid & disrespected & so tanked the series. Houston, thru Lunhow, created a toxic franchise that viewed ethics as obsolete. They used their farm system as indoctrination. It's really depressing.
Andy Gonzalez i'm not a Dodgers fan, but in particular Kershaw & Darvish took hits to their reputations, that weren't earned. Both men had their confidence shaken, and people openly wonder if one of the best pitchers of all time will retire w/o a ring. It sucks.
So knowing what kind of pitch is going to be thrown is the same as intentionally blowing a World Series to get paid.......... that's the stupidest thing I've heard so far
@@MrJimmy3459 Cheating is cheating man. It doesn't matter how far each was. There is no worse once the rules are flagrantly broken. And comparing the two isn't exactly what is happening in this thread despite thats what I keep reading about when I read your retorts. There is no comparison nor should there be. When you go through the list of cheaters being caught in the game where would you rank the astros? it's obvious that you think the BlackSox are the front running winner for sure. So where would the Astros rank? No.2??? What they did is may not be on the same level. But when you are comparing cheating scandals in the sports it's pretty high up there. I mean the PED scandal is probably worse IMO, but these 3 incidents will be remembered forever for a reason. It's because they are all way over the line. Whether or not it matches the Sox doesn't matter. The fact is the MLB had more integrity back then as well. It's why they were all banned from the sport. And these guys get a year??? Really?
@@MrJimmy3459 YES. Yes, it is. The Astros have an illegitimate WS victory obtained by massive cheating involving the entire team. Cheating to win is just as bad as cheating to lose.
@@MrJimmy3459 can't prove what? That the Astros cheated? The MLB report proves it. The clear and explicit evidence is laid out in the report. The Astros had higher batting averages at home and scored far more runs at home vs the Yankees during the ALCS. They hit off-speed pitches at home at a far higher clip all season. Do you think that putting extra balls into play doesn't help? They cheated the game. They cheated opposing players. They hurt pitchers' stats. They cheated fans. It's indefensible; stop trying to defend it.
I am a die hard GIANTS fan, so you KNOW I HATE the Dodgers. That being said, I feel the Dodgers (and every other team the Astros played) were duped. I'm all about fairness. I was happy the Dodgers lost to the Astros in the past World Series. But now, I'm not. Seeing all this scandal, the Dodgers were NOT beaten fair and square.
So when do all the sports talking heads start taking credit away from the players like Altuve or Springer or Correa and questioning their stats like we all did for the PED scandals ?
its crazy when you look at dudes like Marwin Gonzalez. Look at his career AVG. then look at him as mr .300 for one year... guess what year that was. 2017. How many more?
Eisen is wrong when he says "we don't know how much this was utilized." I just watched a video on CZcams that shows literally every single Astros home game and the "boom boom" sounds against the trash can in every game.
Richie boy we know you are east coast biased and the Astros are the Yankees daddy and that’s what you really hate. Can’t wait till we kick your Yankees ass this year. Again
Not all Houston astros are scumbags.Josh Reddick built a Million Dollar Stadium for Handicap children in our county.He also helped get the money for building a Large baseball complex with hitting cages and all.We are a small county and this was yuge for our area.
I'm a red Sox fan, but please don't blame this on technology. There was one guy who was used to cheating and he brought his cheating ways to the team, end of story!
It’s about “confrontation” and passive/aggressive personality, Rich. It reminds me of when Kerry Woods destroyed Sammy Sosa’s boom box at the end of the 2004 baseball season. Real leaders aren’t afraid of confrontation. Leaders with the stripes but not the stones allow misbehavior but don’t confront the bad actors. It happens all the time.
This was a slap on the wrist to a major sports organization. They would pay $50 million for a world series title. They have it and they dont care about it being "tainted".
If it wasn’t effective then it would’ve only been done one time and then ditched. It’s safe to say that it used a lot. The damn manager got rid of the monitor and then it was back up later on! So obviously someone thought it was effective.
This was organized by the players. What was Hinch supposed to do since any verbal reprimands were laughed off, take it up with the players’ union? Go public with the information and destroy a front running team? He couldn’t run roughshod over the players like an NFL coach or GM, so what are the options?
Saying we don't know how much their cheating is useful so we can't punish them as harshly is the same as saying we didn't know how much money Pete made in betting games. They cheated, and I'd even argue this is a lot worse than Spygate, they (as an organization) should be punish more harshly than whatever slap on the wrist the MLB gave them. Ask any owner and they'd probably all say they'll take the Astros punishment for a WS title.
Rich you’re usually right it wasn’t like it was a football player beating his wife or a drunk baseball player making unwanted advances on a woman,It is the people like you and your fellow casters, commentators ,that blew this out of proportion and you are the Marrk, the black eye on Baseball
The cheating resulted in many opposing pitchers losing their contracts and getting traded. Lawsuits are in order against the Astros owner and their players. I'm fucking serious.
Rich! It doesn't matter HOW useful it was. That's the common defense of this crap. "Oh, it didn't help that much.. they were still the better team." Allowing that crap as a defense simply encourages more cheating. To engage in the conversation, they wouldn't have done it if it didn't work. But regardless - it doesn't matter. They gained an unfair advantage - and as Bob Costas put it, "If you can't trust the integrity of the game, then you might as well be watching the WWE." The players were behind this. I'm fine with punishing the GM and Manager because they allowed it, but to NOT penalize cheating players is horrible. I'm waiting for a professional league to come down with the death penalty against the team for this crap. Vacate a title. Ban them from post-season play for a couple of seasons. Think that's too harsh? Guess what - it would work as a deterrent. Period.
I kinda feel bad that hinch is getting all the blame now, but I would have fired him for gross incompetence. How do you not like this and totally fail to stop it
Firstly, the punushment was a joke.. secondly, some of the players should have got the ban too.. all the highlights are of Springer.. Beltran should have got the ban too (he will be fired by the Mets.. Now he cannot work in New York)
If you've ever played any sort if competitive sport and somebody is cheating think a hacker on COD and he's on your team there are 3 types of people. 1) actively hates it and either quits the team or kicks off the cheater 2) passively doesn't care won't engage with the cheating just plays his game and let's everyone else do their own thing 3) likes how good the cheating makes the cheater look so wants to replicate it. And to be honest it's about even split for the 3 types in all walks of life I'll never understand cheating it always makes the game less fun when you have somebody on your team cheating and you get easy win but some people just are wired different
Astros led in slugging and struck out the fewest...it helped a lot. The owner of the Astros can find 5 million in his couch. Vacate the series and have no champion for that season.
Rich says we don't know how much it helped or was used.. very simple, if it didn't help them, they would not have continued to use it. If it didn't work, then Cora wouldn't have brought it and implemented it in Boston.. MVP awards should be taken away from Betts and Altuve
As a professional baseball player (not at all MLB) you will not swing and miss, If you know what’s coming. Foul ball or better. That is insane. Watch the video with the trash can. 8 straight pitches. Or balls. The advantage is insane. Punish them more.
Easy to be liked by your Players, not so easy to be Respected! Easy to be considered "A Players Manager" Not so easy to make tough decisions which the players may not like, but is necessary! All Hinch had to say to his players, coaches,or anyone else involved, (3) words...IT STOPS NOW!!! Easy to SAY your a leader, NOT so easy to be a Leader!
Ok, now that the astros got punished, let's go after ALL THE OTHER TEAMS WHO ARE GUILTY OF DOING THE SAME. IF MLB REALLY WANTS TO STOP THIS , LETS DO IT MLB.
I think he destroyed the monitors because he wanted to have an out if the scandal was ever discovered. He would be able to say well I tried to stop it.. I didn't like it! Look, I even broke a few monitors. It's next level manipulation.
I love this! One of it great presidents i believe once said. It not gonna destroy you the fact that you lie, what's gonna destroy you is keeping the lie going. Something like that... The have opened the gates of HELL....
I mean so many people are blaming hinch and the man is guilty. But how shameless are those players and the front office. The manager clearly didn't like but accepted it coz it was helping his team win. He was clearly frustrated with it hence he broke it twice but couldn't bring himself to say guys don't do it. But those players especially someone allegedly as clever as Beltran and Cora. U should realise he's not breaking this for fun he doesn't like it and he doesn't wanna say it we need to stop. Like shameless bastards they replace the screen twice and continue their nonsense
Voice of reason? Hardly. The Astros win with Alex Cora doing this, then the Red Sox win with Alex Cora doing this MLB turned into a bad joke when they cancelled the World Series due to greed, now it is a parody of a bad joke.
And none of these professional athletes care about their public reputations. When you're banking half-a-million a week, why care what the fans and what history think of you? The culture now values wealth far more than it values honor or honesty.
Rich. You are a very smart man, but I find it so interesting that you are so “stunned” by these actions of A.J. Hinch. Just like you didn’t understand why the Raiders TE would self sabotage himself as an addict. The fact that you don’t understand tells me you have lead a very superficial life
What about the AL west? Sure as hell they used it to gain advantage in the division. Glad I'm an Angels fan. Rather lose with dignity than cheat and stain the game.
5 million dollars and lost of draft picks. yea it's worth cheating. some clubs dont win a WS in years! So. yea, its worth cheating. why is it impossible to strip the WS trophy. Manfred needs to get his ass to work. change that policy.
Maybe the real reason he broke the monitors was because they still lost the game despite using the monitors...LMAO. Take the championship from them, they don’t deserve it!!!
They won't make the playoffs. The morale in the dugout is going to be horrible. Players will get harrassed at every ballpark. They will always be asked questions about, contributing to the poor morale.
It's not enough the mlb didint punish them by firing the managers the Astros did it themselves. Your making it seem like that was part of the punishment.
I feel sorry for Bregman, Correa, Altuve, Gurriel, Springer, and the rest of the roster. That Management would hang the threat of them losing their jobs, reputations, and what I've heard from anonymous sources that AJ, Cora, and Lunhow threatened physical harm to the players, their families, and friends IF they didnt' do what they were told, is horrifying. I'd be surprised if the 2020 Astros roster can put up 50 wins, while surely playing with PTSD after enduring said atrocities for months.Being made to cheat?!?!? Good Lord!!!! Just saying that sends shivers down my spine. Firing these diobolical coaches and GM is barely the tip of the iceberg towards healing. Ownership should be made to pay for what will be years of therapy for these players, nay, victims which may not even help. Irreversible damage may have been done and what with the merely livable wage these ball players (American heros in my book), take home after taxes. Sigh.....I'm beside myself.
As a Dodgers fan I do not. It's been over 30 years since a WS title and the moment of winning the title is what everyone is waiting to celebrate. Not "hey here is the WS title from 2 years ago".
Not enough! Trying to protect MLB, just haven’t realize you all will sunk it with the “punishment” The integrity of the sport is at stake, nobody will rely on MLB again with this consequences.
As soon as you say 'karma,' you're forfeiting all legitimacy. People are responsible for disseminating justice. It's childish even to reference some stupid idea of a cosmic scoreboard that levels all playing fields, and to reference it in a semi-serious way is demeaning to your audience, Rich.
Every player should be out of the game for a year. The title should be taken away from Houston. Next infraction of any kind by anyone else ever is out of the game is out for life.
"NOBODY CARES".. this is just another step in the failing sport known as Baseball. In ten years, if Hinch wins more World Series with other clubs, people will be saying he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I heard all this kind of stuff with PED's, they made players out to be villains and now complain that they should be in the Hall. Cheaters win in Baseball, have for a long time actually, the history of the game shows it. All of this is just a failure by MLB to improve and grow their sport. The NFL has helmet communications but Baseball cant have a two way wrist band that lets Pitchers and Catchers communicate? There is so much technology that makes these issues non-existent. Nets down the foul line, Electronic Strike Zone, etc. Yet year after year MLB drags their feet and allows things like this to plague their sport. Move on, watch Soccer, Basketball, any other sport, just stop worrying about Baseball its dying and Nobody cares.
Feels to me like the players should also be punished. Large fines for players, suspending them for several years and stripping their title would really make this a punishment.
Totally agree
Players def got off wayyy too easy but they got a deal that if they admit what they did, they would have immunity. So theres nothing MLB could do after that. however, I would say the term "them" is too subjective because we do not know exactly which players actually took part in it or was even aware of it.
They totally got away with it. Completely and totally.
@Get to the CHOPPAAA they got a slap on the wrist. Two guys were the fall guys that's all that happened here.
Apso fucking lootley!! Astro fans can still claim their team are world series champs, because MLB flat out refuses to take the championship away from the Astros. " Hey, our team cheated we won the world series, so it was all worth it in the end!"
"do you want to suspend them for life like Pete Rose" ......ummmm yes...and I'm serious af too. Anybody having anything to do with this from the owner to the waterboy should be gone imo...integrity of the game should count for something
Lmao everybody does this. So we gonna go witch hunting now?
@@donsolos prove it. Astros fans have really tried their best for that "trashiest fanbase award" trophy. you can tell how new to baseball they really are. the wagon lost its wheels. all that crying about that "fan interference" in 2018 against the sox and now they're trying to say cheating is ok
You're out of your damn mind, even if you know what pitch is coming batters still have to hit the ball in play....... Is it an advantage yes but its not that much of an advantage to be banned for LIFE!
@@MrJimmy3459 it's not how well you cheat that matters, it's the fact you did it at all.
@@michaelhall5429 punishment still has to fit the crime
This wasn't "bringing down the hammer". The Astros are keeping their World Series title. The fans will complain for a few years but MLB doesn't add asterisks to titles or records. They got away with it.
RIch doesn't know what he is talking about. Drop the hammer?
They got away with it.
I'm a little confused, didn't Washington win the world series?
@@mattow30 I was talking about 2017.
It’s ok. Everybody knows it’s bullshit, so let em keep it, that’s even more embarrassing
mattow30 yep. You’re confused. Here. I’ll help you. There is a World Series every year. And the 2017 and 2018 World Series are tainted
They essentially paid $5M for a World Series
Yes, and 4 crucial draft picks for their future and they gave up their manager and brains of the organization in their GM. Oh and a stain on their last 3 years. But yes they “essentially” paid 5m for a title.
😂😂😂
NFL should learn from this
Patriots did same thing
Texas guy yes. How many fans. Or teams say. “I don’t care what happens. I just want win one before I die “?
Stop deflecting
The one year suspension should be for any player involved. Strip the title. Nobody won the World Series in 2017.
Slap on the wrist punishment. I thought this was automatic title vacation at least.
Then you’d need to strip CY young’s, previous titles, All star votes, MVPs, basically every award/title tied to cheating over the last 100 years. So please, let’s be mature about this.
Punishment was a joke... Astros got away with it.
This is far worse than what pete rose did. Slap on the wrist.
Yeah rich we dont know but Dodgers lost 12-13 in one world series game.
What really bothers me is that MLB or the yankees or the Dodgers did not catch this. If not for a random fan, (johmboy I think) it would Never have come out!!
At least ban some ppl from the hall of fame. Altuve, Beltran Cora I'm looking at u.
MLB didn't want to catch them. If MLB had discovered the Astro's actions first, they would have tried to bury it.
Far worse than Pete Rose, on par with the White Sox scandal. Strip the WS.
Worse than the PED scandal as well.
Worse than the 1919 White Sox scandal? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard...................
@@MrJimmy3459 Obviously "on par" is a foreign term for you. It means "close to equal...possibly equal." Not greater than. You obviously read this sentence in the order you chose to. It is "far worse" than Pete Rose. I agree with both sentiments. Baseball needs to ban a few guys from the league and their title should be taken away.
on par with PEDs scandal. both trying to get a competitive edge.
I’ll be completely transparent by stating that I am a Dodgers fan. However, this is far from an acceptable punishment that is fair and that will deter any other team from doing this in the future. It was well time and orchestrated in its release. Jim Crane wins and MLB loses.
"Bring down the hammer" LMAO. slap on the wrist. What a joke
Rich it is not enough if the players are not suspended involved for a year as well. It has been well documented that the cheating idea came from the players. All this tells players is they can cheat as much as they want with no consequence.
I may be wrong, but the specific players involved in the process may not be known yet so you can't just punish anyone without proof
@@theheathuman9158 From what i understand, Mike Fiers snitched everyone out, so they already know every player involved. They said a lot of players moved on to other teams and it would hurt too many teams to suspend the players involved, which is a load of bullshit.
20 years ago when MLB salaries started routinely breaking the $1 million mark, friends and I would joke about whether the game would be the same now that a bunch of millionaires were playing against other millionaires... Lol! The spirit of the game was definitely altered. Fast forward to today where virtually every franchise has a valuation of $1 billion or more, and what we have instead of teams in competition with each other is multinational brands vying for global market-share. And all of these institutions are now owned by billionaires or equally wealthy consortiums who have an orthodox belief in the bottom-line. All of this has badly damaged the soul of Baseball. There's no way that Manfred could police his bosses effectively and objectively and still expect to keep his job. The MLB has become just like every other corrupt, parasitic "too big to fail" institution. And it only took 174 years! Boys of summer my arse... it's more like "boys of diversified portfolios and guaranteed defined pensions". That doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, lol. Rant over :(
Meanwhile in 1919 on a ballfield somewhere in Chicago...
It has been and will always be about that money.
You're mostly right, but missed the big internal conflict- the players are paid a lot, but only a fraction of the actual profits. Owners are great at getting fans to think their players are overpaid w/o ever considering the actual bottom line. Lerner couldn't afford Rendon & Strasburg! Please. Stra even was willing to take deferments to keep Rendon. What was Lerner willing to sacrifice?
The players have an interest in getting paid & owners want to pay as little as necessary. The Black Sox were underpaid & disrespected & so tanked the series. Houston, thru Lunhow, created a toxic franchise that viewed ethics as obsolete. They used their farm system as indoctrination. It's really depressing.
Richard Richard more like 30yrs ago.
Meanwhile my Dodgers are left with nothing. This was a slap on the wrist.
Andy Gonzalez i'm not a Dodgers fan, but in particular Kershaw & Darvish took hits to their reputations, that weren't earned. Both men had their confidence shaken, and people openly wonder if one of the best pitchers of all time will retire w/o a ring. It sucks.
They need to add a few more names to the Permanently Ineligible list. This is on the level of 1919.
So knowing what kind of pitch is going to be thrown is the same as intentionally blowing a World Series to get paid.......... that's the stupidest thing I've heard so far
@@MrJimmy3459 Cheating is cheating man. It doesn't matter how far each was. There is no worse once the rules are flagrantly broken. And comparing the two isn't exactly what is happening in this thread despite thats what I keep reading about when I read your retorts. There is no comparison nor should there be. When you go through the list of cheaters being caught in the game where would you rank the astros? it's obvious that you think the BlackSox are the front running winner for sure. So where would the Astros rank? No.2??? What they did is may not be on the same level. But when you are comparing cheating scandals in the sports it's pretty high up there. I mean the PED scandal is probably worse IMO, but these 3 incidents will be remembered forever for a reason. It's because they are all way over the line. Whether or not it matches the Sox doesn't matter. The fact is the MLB had more integrity back then as well. It's why they were all banned from the sport. And these guys get a year??? Really?
@@MrJimmy3459 YES. Yes, it is. The Astros have an illegitimate WS victory obtained by massive cheating involving the entire team. Cheating to win is just as bad as cheating to lose.
You don't know that and you can't prove that either, did you forget they won games on the road???
@@MrJimmy3459 can't prove what? That the Astros cheated? The MLB report proves it. The clear and explicit evidence is laid out in the report. The Astros had higher batting averages at home and scored far more runs at home vs the Yankees during the ALCS. They hit off-speed pitches at home at a far higher clip all season. Do you think that putting extra balls into play doesn't help? They cheated the game. They cheated opposing players. They hurt pitchers' stats. They cheated fans. It's indefensible; stop trying to defend it.
I am a die hard GIANTS fan, so you KNOW I HATE the Dodgers. That being said, I feel the Dodgers (and every other team the Astros played) were duped. I'm all about fairness. I was happy the Dodgers lost to the Astros in the past World Series. But now, I'm not. Seeing all this scandal, the Dodgers were NOT beaten fair and square.
So when do all the sports talking heads start taking credit away from the players like Altuve or Springer or Correa and questioning their stats like we all did for the PED scandals ?
Julian it has begun. And it’s valid
Yea im glad. Not because i dont like players but because for the integrity of the game it has to be done
Just remember, Houston won due to the "analytics"
its crazy when you look at dudes like Marwin Gonzalez. Look at his career AVG. then look at him as mr .300 for one year... guess what year that was. 2017. How many more?
Eisen is wrong when he says "we don't know how much this was utilized." I just watched a video on CZcams that shows literally every single Astros home game and the "boom boom" sounds against the trash can in every game.
Little league has more integrity and respect for the game than MLB 🤣😂
Did he make an Eric Cartman reference at 8:05 or have i just watched too much South Park?
i think it is a reference
Richie boy we know you are east coast biased and the Astros are the Yankees daddy and that’s what you really hate. Can’t wait till we kick your Yankees ass this year. Again
You have to strip that title. You just have to. Not saying you give it to the dodgers, but you can’t let the Astros keep it
I think the fact that the Astros we’re proud of that year’s championship knowing they cheated to get it, speak volumes. Character flaw on steroids.
Not all Houston astros are scumbags.Josh Reddick built a Million Dollar Stadium for Handicap children in our county.He also helped get the money for building a Large baseball complex with hitting cages and all.We are a small county and this was yuge for our area.
I'm a red Sox fan, but please don't blame this on technology. There was one guy who was used to cheating and he brought his cheating ways to the team, end of story!
It’s about “confrontation” and passive/aggressive personality, Rich. It reminds me of when Kerry Woods destroyed Sammy Sosa’s boom box at the end of the 2004 baseball season.
Real leaders aren’t afraid of confrontation. Leaders with the stripes but not the stones allow misbehavior but don’t confront the bad actors.
It happens all the time.
This was a slap on the wrist to a major sports organization. They would pay $50 million for a world series title. They have it and they dont care about it being "tainted".
What discipline is coming for the players?
Nothing.. they all got away with
If it wasn’t effective then it would’ve only been done one time and then ditched. It’s safe to say that it used a lot. The damn manager got rid of the monitor and then it was back up later on! So obviously someone thought it was effective.
I'm looking forward to the documentary on their cheating--"Bang the Drum Once or Twice."
This was organized by the players. What was Hinch supposed to do since any verbal reprimands were laughed off, take it up with the players’ union? Go public with the information and destroy a front running team? He couldn’t run roughshod over the players like an NFL coach or GM, so what are the options?
Saying we don't know how much their cheating is useful so we can't punish them as harshly is the same as saying we didn't know how much money Pete made in betting games.
They cheated, and I'd even argue this is a lot worse than Spygate, they (as an organization) should be punish more harshly than whatever slap on the wrist the MLB gave them.
Ask any owner and they'd probably all say they'll take the Astros punishment for a WS title.
Rich you’re usually right it wasn’t like it was a football player beating his wife or a drunk baseball player making unwanted advances on a woman,It is the people like you and your fellow casters, commentators ,that blew this out of proportion and you are the Marrk, the black eye on Baseball
Players should be punished, World Series title should be stripped.
The cheating resulted in many opposing pitchers losing their contracts and getting traded. Lawsuits are in order against the Astros owner and their players. I'm fucking serious.
Rich! It doesn't matter HOW useful it was. That's the common defense of this crap. "Oh, it didn't help that much.. they were still the better team." Allowing that crap as a defense simply encourages more cheating. To engage in the conversation, they wouldn't have done it if it didn't work. But regardless - it doesn't matter. They gained an unfair advantage - and as Bob Costas put it, "If you can't trust the integrity of the game, then you might as well be watching the WWE." The players were behind this. I'm fine with punishing the GM and Manager because they allowed it, but to NOT penalize cheating players is horrible. I'm waiting for a professional league to come down with the death penalty against the team for this crap. Vacate a title. Ban them from post-season play for a couple of seasons. Think that's too harsh? Guess what - it would work as a deterrent. Period.
I kinda feel bad that hinch is getting all the blame now, but I would have fired him for gross incompetence. How do you not like this and totally fail to stop it
Firstly, the punushment was a joke.. secondly, some of the players should have got the ban too.. all the highlights are of Springer.. Beltran should have got the ban too (he will be fired by the Mets.. Now he cannot work in New York)
Am i fucking crazy or am i hearing music in the back ground of this video and its driving me fucking bananas.
The Owner or Owners should be punished, not the Players or Staff.
The Astro's title should be taken away. That's fair.
If you've ever played any sort if competitive sport and somebody is cheating think a hacker on COD and he's on your team there are 3 types of people.
1) actively hates it and either quits the team or kicks off the cheater
2) passively doesn't care won't engage with the cheating just plays his game and let's everyone else do their own thing
3) likes how good the cheating makes the cheater look so wants to replicate it.
And to be honest it's about even split for the 3 types in all walks of life I'll never understand cheating it always makes the game less fun when you have somebody on your team cheating and you get easy win but some people just are wired different
Astros led in slugging and struck out the fewest...it helped a lot. The owner of the Astros can find 5 million in his couch. Vacate the series and have no champion for that season.
Rich says we don't know how much it helped or was used.. very simple, if it didn't help them, they would not have continued to use it. If it didn't work, then Cora wouldn't have brought it and implemented it in Boston.. MVP awards should be taken away from Betts and Altuve
The irony Rich. Looks like Michigan “messed with the bull.”
Baseball already has enough stains. These guys are content with their millions they make in their careers. Lol
He probably destroyed the moniters as a preemptive attempt to save his ass
As a professional baseball player (not at all MLB) you will not swing and miss, If you know what’s coming. Foul ball or better. That is insane. Watch the video with the trash can. 8 straight pitches. Or balls. The advantage is insane. Punish them more.
Easy to be liked by your Players, not so easy to be Respected! Easy to be considered "A Players Manager" Not so easy to make tough decisions which the players may not like, but is necessary!
All Hinch had to say to his players, coaches,or anyone else involved, (3) words...IT STOPS NOW!!!
Easy to SAY your a leader, NOT so easy to be a Leader!
If it happened once, Altuve against the Yankees that’s all that matters.
Ok, now that the astros got punished, let's go after ALL THE OTHER TEAMS WHO ARE GUILTY OF DOING THE SAME. IF MLB REALLY WANTS TO STOP THIS , LETS DO IT MLB.
I think he destroyed the monitors because he wanted to have an out if the scandal was ever discovered. He would be able to say well I tried to stop it.. I didn't like it! Look, I even broke a few monitors. It's next level manipulation.
How did he let his authority be undermined after voicing his displeasure with the situation and destroying team property? Easy.... he’s LYING.
I love this!
One of it great presidents i believe once said.
It not gonna destroy you the fact that you lie, what's gonna destroy you is keeping the lie going. Something like that...
The have opened the gates of HELL....
This is like the bounty gate scandal with the saints. Everybody does it and we gotta make an example out of somebody
or spy gate with the patriots
Worried about baseball being on the up and up... come on rich... it’s baseball
I mean so many people are blaming hinch and the man is guilty. But how shameless are those players and the front office. The manager clearly didn't like but accepted it coz it was helping his team win. He was clearly frustrated with it hence he broke it twice but couldn't bring himself to say guys don't do it. But those players especially someone allegedly as clever as Beltran and Cora. U should realise he's not breaking this for fun he doesn't like it and he doesn't wanna say it we need to stop. Like shameless bastards they replace the screen twice and continue their nonsense
Weird Rich has a very different tone here than he does with Michigan's cheating scandal.
Voice of reason? Hardly.
The Astros win with Alex Cora doing this, then the Red Sox win with Alex Cora doing this
MLB turned into a bad joke when they cancelled the World Series due to greed, now it is a parody of a bad joke.
And none of these professional athletes care about their public reputations. When you're banking half-a-million a week, why care what the fans and what history think of you? The culture now values wealth far more than it values honor or honesty.
There was absolutely nothing useful with Pete Rose betting.He got a lifetime ban.
Pete's on the Permanently Ineligible list. He's banned not only for life but for all of eternity too.
“ we don’t know how much this was utilized” yea. Yea we do
Rich. You are a very smart man, but I find it so interesting that you are so “stunned” by these actions of A.J. Hinch. Just like you didn’t understand why the Raiders TE would self sabotage himself as an addict. The fact that you don’t understand tells me you have lead a very superficial life
Terrible take. You don't punish because of how successful the cheating is, you punish because it occurred in the first place.
What about the AL west? Sure as hell they used it to gain advantage in the division. Glad I'm an Angels fan. Rather lose with dignity than cheat and stain the game.
5 million dollars and lost of draft picks. yea it's worth cheating. some clubs dont win a WS in years! So. yea, its worth cheating. why is it impossible to strip the WS trophy. Manfred needs to get his ass to work. change that policy.
Still waiting for Mr Kraft to fire Belichick ... still waiting, Bobby Boyyyy!! 🤬
players needed to be punished
Maybe the real reason he broke the monitors was because they still lost the game despite using the monitors...LMAO. Take the championship from them, they don’t deserve it!!!
What did NOLAN RYAN know about the cheating?!?!
LMFAO 8:07 Authori-tie
I still predict astros will win this yrs world series
They won't make the playoffs. The morale in the dugout is going to be horrible. Players will get harrassed at every ballpark. They will always be asked questions about, contributing to the poor morale.
Honestly I think hinch thought it cost them a game, he was probably all for it when it was working
Cora just got fired from the Red Sox. Is Beltran next?
We do know Rich. Wtf was that
It's not enough the mlb didint punish them by firing the managers the Astros did it themselves. Your making it seem like that was part of the punishment.
I feel sorry for Bregman, Correa, Altuve, Gurriel, Springer, and the rest of the roster. That Management would hang the threat of them losing their jobs, reputations, and what I've heard from anonymous sources that AJ, Cora, and Lunhow threatened physical harm to the players, their families, and friends IF they didnt' do what they were told, is horrifying. I'd be surprised if the 2020 Astros roster can put up 50 wins, while surely playing with PTSD after enduring said atrocities for months.Being made to cheat?!?!? Good Lord!!!! Just saying that sends shivers down my spine. Firing these diobolical coaches and GM is barely the tip of the iceberg towards healing. Ownership should be made to pay for what will be years of therapy for these players, nay, victims which may not even help. Irreversible damage may have been done and what with the merely livable wage these ball players (American heros in my book), take home after taxes. Sigh.....I'm beside myself.
You always need a solid group of "low-level employees" to get the real work done.
1 year vacation for winning the world series...its ridiculous
I want their WS trophy taken away and given to the Dodgers.
As a Dodgers fan I do not.
It's been over 30 years since a WS title and the moment of winning the title is what everyone is waiting to celebrate. Not "hey here is the WS title from 2 years ago".
No team would want a title that way....
Take the damn chip away from them
Not enough!
Trying to protect MLB, just haven’t realize you all will sunk it with the “punishment”
The integrity of the sport is at stake, nobody will rely on MLB again with this consequences.
Alex Cora blew it the most and should receive the Pete Rose Ban
Yeah, something it just make no sense with Hinch...
If it wasn't helpful then why use it?
They penalized the Braves worse.
As soon as you say 'karma,' you're forfeiting all legitimacy. People are responsible for disseminating justice. It's childish even to reference some stupid idea of a cosmic scoreboard that levels all playing fields, and to reference it in a semi-serious way is demeaning to your audience, Rich.
Luckily no one really cares about baseball
Can y'all read the report and stop flaming my team :(
MLB went soft.
mlb managers have no power.
after Pat McAfee stormed on the scene, everything else seems second tier.
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I'm anticipating stupid comments like the "Astroisks" from people who think they're clever.
Every player should be out of the game for a year. The title should be taken away from Houston. Next infraction of any kind by anyone else ever is out of the game is out for life.
Baseball has been ruined.
"NOBODY CARES".. this is just another step in the failing sport known as Baseball. In ten years, if Hinch wins more World Series with other clubs, people will be saying he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I heard all this kind of stuff with PED's, they made players out to be villains and now complain that they should be in the Hall. Cheaters win in Baseball, have for a long time actually, the history of the game shows it. All of this is just a failure by MLB to improve and grow their sport. The NFL has helmet communications but Baseball cant have a two way wrist band that lets Pitchers and Catchers communicate? There is so much technology that makes these issues non-existent. Nets down the foul line, Electronic Strike Zone, etc. Yet year after year MLB drags their feet and allows things like this to plague their sport. Move on, watch Soccer, Basketball, any other sport, just stop worrying about Baseball its dying and Nobody cares.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!
Nobody Cares.