Time Commanders - Battle of Marathon

Sdílet
Vložit

Komentáře • 359

  • @CruelestChris
    @CruelestChris Před 4 lety +16

    In this new timeline the term "marathon" referred to running 26 miles pursued by angry Persians.

  • @hebl47
    @hebl47 Před 9 lety +33

    “If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, then the general is to blame. But, if orders are clear and the soldiers nevertheless disobey, then it is the fault of their oficers.”
    -- Sun Tzu

  • @studmalexy
    @studmalexy Před 7 lety +19

    its amazing how the experts basically spoon feed them the information they need to win like spreading your troops out,,and they seem to just completely forget or ignore it

  • @Tareltonlives
    @Tareltonlives Před 10 lety +39

    To be fair to these guys, it took a lot of luck and amazing tactics for the Greeks to pull it off historically. They weren't as stupid as some other teams, but they certainly weren't smart. Dithering and staying on the hill was a bad idea, as was trying to defeat the Persians in a missile exchange. They played Thermopylae when they should have played Leuctra

    • @quintondmello978
      @quintondmello978 Před 3 lety +1

      Yes Persian had light infantry so crashing it like the Thebans did at Leuctra against the Spartans

    • @koreancowboy42
      @koreancowboy42 Před 2 lety +4

      They allowed the Persians to get the advantage, like the Greeks had to be aggressive against an lightly armed army like the Persians who relied on light infantry, cavalry, archers and masses aswell as chariots. They needed those hoplites to engage the enemy infantry so the javelins can go along the flanks with the cavalry

  • @sarahcallaghan6686
    @sarahcallaghan6686 Před 8 lety +44

    true men watch in 240p

    • @quno5174
      @quno5174 Před 6 lety

      Sarah Callaghan truer men watch in 140p

  • @philoshaughnessy906
    @philoshaughnessy906 Před 7 lety +20

    Later to be called the Battle of Snickers.

  • @spookydom
    @spookydom Před 13 lety +2

    Thanks for uploading all of these. Really enjoyed watching them all this week. Nice one:)

  • @JaceValm
    @JaceValm Před 12 lety +5

    God this was such a good TV show. With the new Napoleon and Shogun games and their systems they could make more of this.

  • @MrSigmatico
    @MrSigmatico Před 9 lety +5

    Its actually pretty impressive how well the Athenians did considering how inflexible their army was.

  • @anarchyandempires5452
    @anarchyandempires5452 Před 7 lety +4

    well that was the definition of bloody slaughter!!!!

  • @ReHePaP
    @ReHePaP Před 10 lety +9

    I was just thinking why didnt they use the noobsquare.

  • @BUNCECENTRAL
    @BUNCECENTRAL Před 10 lety +2

    I love that Eddie obviously finds the relationship between Dave and Kerry strange.

  • @ColonelPastry
    @ColonelPastry Před 12 lety +3

    This brings back good memories i absouloutely adore RTW and Time Commanders. Personally i think they should do this with mount and blade warband napoleonic wars where they get members of the public involved in napoleionic line battles. Would be cool to get more than 600+ people on one server.

  • @saltjunky
    @saltjunky Před 12 lety +2

    Good points about the cavalry. One thing, the Athenian forces at Marathon did NOT perform a double envelopment (pincer) movement. There flanking occurred only on one side of the Persian line.

  • @nutyyyy
    @nutyyyy Před 10 lety +2

    This isn't actually Rome total war, its been modified for the sake of the show. So its a heavily modded Rome Total War.

  • @DaveE7492
    @DaveE7492 Před 5 lety +4

    High ground/hills have been the death of a number of teams on this program. They got fixated on defending the high ground instead of attacking.

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 4 lety

      They tried to refight Hastings...and got an arrow in their eye for their trouble.

    • @mootedtols4865
      @mootedtols4865 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Tareltonlives maybe they just knew the first part of "picking a hill to .."

    • @koreancowboy42
      @koreancowboy42 Před 2 lety +1

      The thing is in history holding high ground helped alot. But when a general sees the chance to ignore the high ground and engage the enemy its cuz they have the advantage in some ways to meet the enemy without needing high ground. The thing with high ground is because of holding a position to see the enemies movements and the enemy has to fight up hill which is tiring

  • @DarkArtistKaiser
    @DarkArtistKaiser Před 11 lety +13

    I love how they make the Greeks sound so noble and good compared to the Persians.
    Even if history says otherwise.

  • @AudieHolland
    @AudieHolland Před 12 lety +2

    Hm, not always. Have you watched "Time Commanders Battle Of Chalons?" A good command structure and the commander never loses his temper...

  • @TsarBG
    @TsarBG Před 11 lety +4

    An alternative name for this show could be "How to be a noob at RTW" :P

  • @Gimpzomg
    @Gimpzomg Před 11 lety +9

    I like how they say "The greek stay on the high ground! Have they listened to anything?". have they played the game? The phalanx units are stronger on the defensive. Just form a circle and laugh at them. :D

  • @GPlinthon
    @GPlinthon Před 11 lety +2

    Under that angle you present it, yes you are right. There might be a slight angle of the plain leading to the beach so yes, if soldiers were running with armors they would have a considerable momentum - pay attention though, out of them the center had to stop and move in a controlled way backwards to let Persian center move forward permitting the Greek strong edges to encircle the Persian army.

  • @cladglas
    @cladglas Před 8 lety +8

    good thing miltiades didn't have these so called experts as his advisor.\

    • @demonmenace4657
      @demonmenace4657 Před 3 lety +1

      He would have lost the battle before the battle even begun 😂😂😂

  • @MonlithOfRome
    @MonlithOfRome Před 12 lety +2

    YEAH!!!

  • @bareakon
    @bareakon Před 12 lety +1

    I so wanted to be on this show when I was younger...

  • @alextowers7564
    @alextowers7564 Před 3 lety

    2:16 "we all are a little bit" Under appreciated joke

  • @SgtRevan
    @SgtRevan Před 11 lety

    I would say that the best use of archers would be to maneuver them around to the backs of the engaged enemy who is fighting some of your infantry, getting close, and peppering their backs. Add fire and even if it doesn't kill a lot of them due to armor, it will kill their morale.

  • @carrotcarrot27
    @carrotcarrot27 Před 11 lety +2

    I think the game developers put the more defensive and passive Macedonian phalanx (the one with the super sarissa spears)as the more aggressive and pushing Greek phalanx (the ones with the shorter dorian spears)

  • @carrotcarrot27
    @carrotcarrot27 Před 11 lety +1

    The Hoplites were farmer soldiers. They farmed for food, and when they time came to fight they fought. The farm labour kept them fit for fighting.Some Greek states such as Thebes had a permanent force of elite soldiers (e.g. Thebes' Sacred Band) which was paid by the state and worked as soldiers instead of farmers. The only exception was Sparta, where no Spartiate farmed. The slaves farmed, while all Spartan males trained as elite warriors. All hoplites except Spartans were farmers

  • @hasdrubalflashy9472
    @hasdrubalflashy9472 Před 11 lety

    The point was to provide a ticking clock, knowing that the team would see a slope and say: 'we need to defend the top of this hill,' like the Telamon team. You have to remember that (in the first series) the teams were meant to fail, so the post-mortem would be better. ('You did exactly what you should have' is a bit dull.)

  • @YappyRaccoon
    @YappyRaccoon Před 11 lety +3

    I would love to see Eddie Mair fight Nusbacher in one of these battles. I think Nusbacher would win but Eddie would fight back with dry wit.

  • @demonmenace4657
    @demonmenace4657 Před 3 lety

    The tactic of Leuctra of concentrating and breaking through lines may have worked

  • @BlackSabbath628
    @BlackSabbath628 Před 7 lety

    Isn't that the music from Rome Total War? I know they use the rome engine, but the music sounds familiar as well.

  • @MariusThePaladin
    @MariusThePaladin Před 11 lety

    It's a show where people paly Rome Total War against each other ?
    Man, your country's rock.

  • @MarcusDarkstar
    @MarcusDarkstar Před 11 lety +1

    I wish i went on Time Commanders... might not have been a great teamplayer but... still would been kickass.

  • @studmalexy
    @studmalexy Před 7 lety +3

    these guys didn't really understand the concept of the phalax

  • @BloodiestMargie
    @BloodiestMargie  Před 12 lety +1

    @RecoverRedeem That's part of the fun

  • @make-do-dude
    @make-do-dude Před 6 lety +1

    fucking love this show :) they should make more

  • @Tareltonlives
    @Tareltonlives Před 4 lety

    It's over, Datis! I have the high ground!

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 4 lety

      This actually happened to the Greeks in Ionia-they got torn apart by Persian horsemen in the open.

  • @mandowarrior123
    @mandowarrior123 Před 11 lety

    i'm pretty sure the spartans formed a circle shortly before this battle, and i seem to recall the sky turning black with arrows...

  • @nicholaswells3333
    @nicholaswells3333 Před 9 lety +1

    Michael you are right. Athens was a city-state not a nation secondly Athens were allies with Plataea and Eretria

  • @luketimothy
    @luketimothy Před 11 lety

    Yeah, siege defenses are absolutely my rarest battles.

  • @JoeMorbi001
    @JoeMorbi001 Před 11 lety +1

    Also as they had the chance to attack the enemy before the full army was ready being aggressive with what they had was important.

  • @SgtRevan
    @SgtRevan Před 11 lety

    4. Being a decisive factor in winning, although rarely.

  • @RecoverRedeem
    @RecoverRedeem Před 12 lety

    lol yea I can see that and you make sense too.
    The problem is that stuff like that usually happens.

  • @luketimothy
    @luketimothy Před 11 lety

    I hate to nitpick, but that adds up to 100.1%, bro.

  • @duumguy
    @duumguy Před 12 lety +1

    HELL YEAH!

  • @SpartanofAmerica
    @SpartanofAmerica Před 11 lety

    And they're my most common battle played in.

  • @BloodiestMargie
    @BloodiestMargie  Před 11 lety

    The soldier thinks he knows fear. Tell that to the farmer. I have
    corked off at battle's eve and snoozed sound as stone; now on my
    landsman's bunk I tossed, sleepless as Cerberus. The farmer greets the dawn with one query only: what calamity has struck
    overnight?I never knew how many ways a sheep could run ill, or a
    spring turn sour. Something is always breaking on a farm. You start mending at dawn and don't quit till midnight. Every task costs money on the land, and the landsman never has money

  • @USB740
    @USB740 Před 7 lety +3

    The unit composition is wrong in this simulation. I read somewhere Xenofon or Herodotus wrote that the Persian army at Marathon was entirely comprised of bowmen that could fight in hand-to-hand combat. The only such troop type one can think of would be the Takabaras (marine soldiers of antiquity). The Takabara was the multi-role soldier of antiquity. Armed with a bow & quiver & arrows, a small crescent-shaped shield, a light axe called the Sagaris and dressed in Linothorax (leather armor) that provided a good degree of protection. There were no regular Persian infantry present at Marathon (they were called Sparabara and armed with Spears and large rectangular wicker shields and dressed in quilted linen with laminated bronze scales underneath) nor were the Immortals there (armed with Akinaka sword or spears, dressed in iron scale shirt and carried large oval shield with cut-outs). Neither did the cavalry participate in the battle as they had not yet disembarked from the transport ships to engage in the surpise attack by the Greeks.

    • @Nazdreg1
      @Nazdreg1 Před 7 lety +1

      Yes, but Rome Total War doesn't represent them properly (might be wrong on that one, please correct me), which is too bad.
      So taking archers and spearmen is the best alternative.
      And it mirrors the Sparabara system (which wasn't applied during that battle), but was commonly used against enemy archers or horse archers (not so much against Greek hoplites though).

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 4 lety

      Weren't there also some Scythian archers/axemen there too?

  • @waw460
    @waw460 Před 12 lety

    Quite silly that the Athenian Hoplitai captains have shields with the 'L' of Lakedaimon, which were used by the Spartans

  • @royalhero4608
    @royalhero4608 Před 7 lety +2

    The Persians weren't able to use their horses in the real battle..... kinda unfair for the team to let the Persians use them....

  • @farboudnazeri7037
    @farboudnazeri7037 Před 10 lety +4

    Not fair for the Generals, the Persians had their cavalry present at this remake of the battle.

    • @Doncroft1
      @Doncroft1 Před 9 lety +1

      Yep. Why did the experts allow that?

    • @dylanlowers-robson2381
      @dylanlowers-robson2381 Před 9 lety +3

      there were some of the Persian horse left on the beach with the infantry in reality but the Athenians but themselves in a position were the cavalry of Persia could not envelop them

  • @goruu
    @goruu Před 12 lety

    If PrinceofMacedon get on here, he'll absolutely demolish the other team without trying.

  • @sebbekung123
    @sebbekung123 Před 11 lety

    He would be the Captain, General AND the Military historians. Heck now that I think about it, he would've managed to be the host as well :d

  • @monsieurorleans1329
    @monsieurorleans1329 Před 6 lety +2

    This is the job I want to have

  • @hasdrubalflashy9472
    @hasdrubalflashy9472 Před 11 lety

    English history is resplendent with instances of armies defending high ground/a fortified position. (Hastings, Waterloo, Rorke's drift.) As a result, you can tell English people that there's a ticking clock, and that they need to attack all you like. They won't listen. It's in our psychological makeup to be defensive (sitting behind the English channel, and remembering heroic last stands.) Common sense tends to elude us.

  • @MarcusDarkstar
    @MarcusDarkstar Před 11 lety

    especially downhill unless you wanted to tumble and rolll down the hill unless it was a very gradual decline. I dunno about you but near my house we got a slightly steep slope (has a road on it so its gradual enough). And when you walk down it takes quiet a bit out of your legs to stop from running at an uncontrolled pace and your weight buckles on your knees and feet when you try to control your pace on such a decline. With heavy armor i'd imagine it would be even worse..

  • @TKaarel
    @TKaarel Před 12 lety

    Do you remember the first time you played a Total War battle?
    I do. I remember I had a slightly bigger army than the enemy, but I got wiped. Now I can defend cities against full armies with 5-6 units and destroy armies on the field that are significantly bigger than mine.
    Just because you're good, doesn't mean they are, or should be.

  • @hotfuzzholmes
    @hotfuzzholmes Před 11 lety

    I read that the Persian cavalry was not present in this battle because, they were expecting to attack the city of Athens itself.

  • @thebadgerimpaler
    @thebadgerimpaler Před 10 lety +20

    Bring back time commanders using Rome 2 total war!

    • @MrSigmatico
      @MrSigmatico Před 9 lety +9

      Rome total war 2 is utter trash, it doesent have enogh different units in it and the engine is still the same for the battles, what would be interesting however would be some medieval battles using medieval total war 2.

    • @seroccoprime2774
      @seroccoprime2774 Před 9 lety +4

      Kim Jensen
      That comment was before we found out RTW 2 was shit.

    • @MrSigmatico
      @MrSigmatico Před 9 lety +2

      Fair enogh :)

    • @dcx666
      @dcx666 Před 7 lety +3

      They bringing it back

    • @MrSigmatico
      @MrSigmatico Před 7 lety +1

      *****
      When and where?

  • @thegrimreaper541
    @thegrimreaper541 Před 11 lety +1

    can someone tell me what was the purpose of the scouts running through the enemy like that?

  • @Jdjsksjdhdj
    @Jdjsksjdhdj Před 6 lety +1

    Holly fuck a TV show about a bad ass video game lol.

  • @vonPlosc
    @vonPlosc Před 11 lety

    I love how they are scared shitless, by the persina Pyjama warriors, u could just tell ur hoplites to form a line behind them and they would just march through

  • @carrotcarrot27
    @carrotcarrot27 Před 11 lety

    Forming a circle is suicide! The Phalanx relied on the deep ranks to provide pushing power to crush enemy formation(man behind push man in front). The Phalanx had to move to work: they had to push & overwhelm the enemy. The phalanx's right flank (weapons on the right) crushed the enemy's left wing, causing panic. In a stationary defensive circle, the hoplites could not push, or their formation would be broken. The enemy formation could not be destroyed and any circular phalanx would be routed.

  • @MattSpaul
    @MattSpaul Před 11 lety

    Total War series, this was using Rome Total war from 2004, but there are loads of new versions

  • @billzyisgod
    @billzyisgod Před 13 lety

    did they ever do a series were they used medieval 2 total war

  • @BloodiestMargie
    @BloodiestMargie  Před 10 lety

    Read Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War. Check out the Melian Dialogue in particular. Check out Athens' Sicilian Expedition.
    Little describes Athens' behavior better than this line from the Melian Dialogue: "The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must"

  • @carrotcarrot27
    @carrotcarrot27 Před 11 lety

    Late Sparta only construction defensive walls as they learned from their mistakes at the start of the Peloponnesian War, where 100,000 Spartans and their allies (Thebans, Corinthians etc) were unable to storm/starve out Athens, which was protected by the long walls. Also, the small town of Platea with 500+ defenders could easily defend against thousands of infantrymen with their defensive walls. The Spartans therefore learned from them.

  • @Amontadillo
    @Amontadillo Před 11 lety

    Scythians and Parthians have no javelin units of their own, but I meant more if you're running a campaign army and happen to not have javelins in the army, which can happen quite often.
    And like I said, all it takes to make archers awesome is using them correctly. Having them fire at heavy infantry is not using them correctly :P You're supposed to use them to harass the light troops and so on, and to flank around the enemy themselves to fire into the flanks or rear of heavier units only rarely.

  • @jesusbrighst6155
    @jesusbrighst6155 Před 8 lety +1

    I would have done the phalax and let the skirmishers to guard the flanks.

  • @frisianmouve
    @frisianmouve Před 9 lety +1

    They should've got a total war let's player in on this.

  • @Dalekprince1066
    @Dalekprince1066 Před 12 lety

    God sometimes watching this show can be painful lol

  • @hasdrubalflashy9472
    @hasdrubalflashy9472 Před 11 lety

    That's the whole point. The scenario was always suited to the flaws in the players.
    Chalons required teamwork, so it was given to a team where a small man needed to control everything personally.
    Telamon required aggression, so it was given to a team with two 'older' gentlemen, with unhealthy obsessions with defending hills, in charge.

  • @beaubrent
    @beaubrent Před 4 měsíci

    The hill is never the answer.

  • @DissociativeIdentity
    @DissociativeIdentity Před 11 lety

    Dave is seriously batting above his average with Kez

  • @daleprosser350
    @daleprosser350 Před 3 lety

    28:19 rookie mistake, should’ve selected hoplites and pressed backspace to bring the pikes back down haha

  • @TheWorldinwar
    @TheWorldinwar Před 12 lety

    You should see the Stamford Bridge episode,Mash (The Blue Kid) Was so annoying and they just formed a infantry blob and nothing else.

  • @tudoriancu6720
    @tudoriancu6720 Před 9 lety

    Pheidippides run first to Sparta for help 240 km and then back, then , next days , ran the 40 km (25 mi) from the battlefield near Marathon to Athens

  • @nicholaswells3333
    @nicholaswells3333 Před 9 lety

    There is another thing that the show got wrong was the year of this battle. The voice-over man said Greece 500 years before the birth of Christ. The real battle was fought in 490 BC.

    • @letigidou2052
      @letigidou2052 Před 9 lety +8

      I'm pretty sure he meant the same as $19.99 book , you know , the twenty dollar book.

    • @CruelestChris
      @CruelestChris Před 6 lety

      Nicholas Wells
      Rounded to the nearest hundred. Doesn't really matter anyway since historians agree that if Christ was born at all, it certainly wasn't in 0 AD.

  • @jaredbradley5014
    @jaredbradley5014 Před 8 lety +5

    I could out-wit these amateurs with four units of Greek Spartans and two peasant archer units...Although, this is a bit old.

  • @TheLonePatrol
    @TheLonePatrol Před 11 lety

    Yes. It would be cool to make this again with Rome 2!

  • @smackerboy123
    @smackerboy123 Před 11 lety

    Well done Sherlock. Cracked the case yet again!

  • @aznsbd
    @aznsbd Před 11 lety

    I think thats part of the fun, its like watching a train wreck.

  • @RecoverRedeem
    @RecoverRedeem Před 12 lety

    And the first battle I played in Rome total war - I was the julii and I quickly moved Flavius Julius out with 3 hastati, the trairii and archers along with... Quintus? I believe is the heir in 270 BC in the julii family?
    Anyway - I moved out with settings on very hard (battle diff) very hard (campaign diff) - (I played the hell out of the tutorial).
    I marched on segesta and showered the rebels with arrows and then pila - and won the battle with 0 losses.
    Then I went on to conquer the north.

  • @ScrapperTBP
    @ScrapperTBP Před 12 lety

    Wow! All they had to do was charge with a wide line. That is all the Athenians actually did with more troops in the centre and flanks.

  • @AlphaQRough
    @AlphaQRough Před 13 lety

    @HawkeyesMKV Yeah lol, they're using the Macedonian models, give them a break, RTW wasn't totally finished (wasn't even released when this was produced)

  • @Bluehawk2008
    @Bluehawk2008 Před 12 lety

    One ping Vasilli, one ping only please.

  • @RecoverRedeem
    @RecoverRedeem Před 12 lety

    No...they HAVE to be good.
    I wonder what they were honestly thinking when they made the show:
    " Let's have random people come onto the show - with no experience with the game at all and show people how easy it is to command virtual armies ".
    Well...they forgot to actually give control of the armies TO those people - and when they select people for the show they can AT LEAST select people that KNOW the history.

  • @flan208
    @flan208 Před 11 lety

    It would be fun to see PoM vs these people

  • @Amontadillo
    @Amontadillo Před 11 lety

    Yes, that's the point. Light troops are weak to missiles, which is why the defender has to avoid missiles hitting light troops, the attacker has to make the missiles hit these targets. This is part of a thing called "Tactics". Very useful word to learn if you're playing these kind of games.
    And it's not personal preference, as such. It's knowing how to play the game.
    Though obviously, vanilla Rome is so fucking easy that that doesn't matter. But it's your own fault if you play vanilla.

  • @JingeKing
    @JingeKing Před 11 lety

    totally bloody agree, it is only the rtw players that know what to do on this

  • @501alistair
    @501alistair Před 11 lety

    When Rome 2 comes out are they gonna use that to make these again?

  • @chubbyninja89
    @chubbyninja89 Před 11 lety

    I totally agree. The team that commanded this battle sucked SUPER BIG TIME. Though I thought it was kinda dumb that the Persians had cavarly in the battle.
    Though I thought it was dumb that they didn't have that the battle of Plataea in time commanders. That could've been a awesome battle, with the team commanding either the Persians or the Greeks it'd be pretty interesting .

  • @saltjunky
    @saltjunky Před 12 lety

    Have you tried the countless mods for Rome: Total War? There are many, and if you enjoyed the movie Troy, there is a mod for that. Moreover, the mod team that created Troy has also created Aristeia, which is a more historically accurate mod that deals with the same time period as the Battle of Troy. There's really too many great mods to mention, but they also have two Lord of the Rings mods, as well. Peace, and enjoy.

  • @nutyyyy
    @nutyyyy Před 10 lety

    The Athenians attacked with a weakened front to pull the Persians in and then gripped them in a vice like formation surrounding their flanks and squeezing them to death.

  • @writerkiff
    @writerkiff Před 7 lety +2

    Hopefully they'll reboot this with Napoleon Total War.

  • @MaximusDerpynes
    @MaximusDerpynes Před 11 lety

    they should have used a wedge formation with in the wedge the tactical reserves. that way the hoplites are saved from a cavalry attack from the back and they are slowly advancing. putting skirmishers also in the wedge will make sure that the persians die quickly.

  • @zamrock7634
    @zamrock7634 Před 11 lety +1

    that would be a dream :D

  • @sebbekung123
    @sebbekung123 Před 11 lety

    Sparta wasn't as much a professional army as an plainly extreme-warrior culture. I don't know if they actually recieved pay specifically after a certain time of military service after a while, but ofc they thrived as soldiers and made themselves and Sparta richer.

  • @LADVendetta
    @LADVendetta Před 11 lety

    HELL FUCKING YES