Our GSI TopDry Autoflow system | Vlog 38
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- Our GSI TopDry | Vlog 38
The week's video is an overview of our newly installed GSI TopDy Autoflow system. We're getting close to corn harvest and the grain dryer is going to get put to work. It's a different style crop dryer so we have a bit of a learning curve ahead of us but we're up to the challenge. With our current weather, we may have to bring the dryer into service to dry our soybean but we're hoping Mother Nature will cooperate. Every year we have to dry corn as we alway harvest it wet and our weather and geography is the reason. Anyway, if you have any questions leave a comment and I'll try and answer them. - Zábava
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No need to apologize about "more exciting stuff". I found it to be very interesting and informative.
Kudos, first CZcams farm video that has explained drying process in detail, that I have viewed. Thank you! Great videos
Absolutely, NO One has shown such a complete explanation in conjunction w/ detailed video of the Top Dry components as this channel has done. AGCO would be wise to link this video w/ their channel .
@@billupstateny9151 I thought it was a GSI system
@@farmerthatflies You are simply clueless, do the research, nitwit
@@billupstateny9151 wtf are you talking about?? The very title of his video is “Our GSI Topdry Autoflow System
@@farmerthatflies Nitwit, go bother some else, troll
More information is fine with me. I love to learn new things like the drier.
It’s hard for me to imagine how much technology there is in farming today. Our family farm went bust in 1970.
Keep up the great videos you and Sandy both do a great job.
Thank you, first time seeing a top dry/store more. Did not know this was out there. Cool stuff for sure
Good to see another video up! Hope the new system works well for use and the weather improves! Always good to see farmers investing in new technology for the farm! Your son will have a great place to come home to!
Drying is based on temperature not a moisture sensor?
yes no moisture sensors, all temperature or time based.
@@curtismeskus504 ditto on the curiousity factor here!🤷♀️🤔 just don't understand why no moisture meter?
Cool Beans! I never seen that type of grain drying system before. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Mark! Currently running 2 separate 27ft top drys stor-mores separate farms. One getting tired, will have to upgrade down the road. Keep hearing same thing about being the cheapest cost per bu to dry with. We are happy with current ones. Be nice to put up single one. Great videos always!
Awesome video. Really interesting, I know we've talked about a top dry but I never knew how they functioned. Now I do. Looking forward to updates on how it works for you.
This is fascinating. It's after midnight in the PNW, I can't draw myself away to go to bed. This is great!
Hey Mark, your explanation of the dryer was really good. Thanks!
Sounds like a great system and much needed. Nice to have an explanation of how it all works! Thank you!
Hello Mark, thank you for sharing it’s very interesting how your dryer works, I’m more used to the Old stile corn dryer 👍👍👍🇬🇧
Awesome grain drying system and very well explained...looking forward seeing it operating.
Nice video. Never knew what can go on inside these storage bins. Very interresting.
Loved the video. Lot of great information
Nice! Anxious to see the new dryer in operation.
Excellent description! Very, very informative!
As I told Sandi you guys have amazing equipment a clean set up and love the videos I
Thanks
Sounds like it's going to work great.
Good job explaining the system Mark. Really enjoyed it.
Excellent video.Thank you.
Very impressive system Mark, thank you for sharing
Great job of explaining the dryer
Incredibly interesting! Thanks Mark
Great video. The new dryer looks neat. Your video content is excellent. We are not bored.
Looking good.Now lets get that sun ☀️ to shine!Really wet here in Wisconsin too!!
Great video mark! Your explanation of the dryer was very informative thanks!
Hi Mark, how are you going? Thank you for sharing this information. I found it very interesting and all the while as you are explaining the new technology I keep thinking of my Grandfather and Great Grandfather, and so on back in time, and I think of how hard and physically strenuous it was for them to work their farms by hand. Now that would have been terribly hard going, but when I see the latest in machinery for all kinds of purposes I am in awe of the technological brains that invented these things. Machinery for farms, hospitals, forestry, space, travel, and so on. Just amazing. Love to the Brock family, from Queensland, Australia. 😊❤️🙏🇦🇺🐨🐑🍼🌽
Nice video, looking forward to your next one Mark
thanks mark, very imformative . i didnt know they made a vertical drier. as we dont need them here in western australia.
Very informative!! Nice system.....
Awesome video Mark, thanks again >>>
Show the light system for loading sometime Mark.Everybody should have that keeps the red dog out!
Ha ha, will do!
Mark.
Thank You very much for the show and tell of the top dry grain dryer that is very neat to see the us of the PLC controler system. Just a side note in general the PLC controler systems are very durable and dependale. I Spent 10 years using PLC controler system on( Niles Stand Ray Wheel Truing Machine ) train wheel truing
Never considered one looking forward to your experience vlogs good infomativ vid.
Heights scare me. Even your awesome tractors are too high. I never thought of farming as dangerous, but I grew up in Florida market gardens. Most danger on the farm would be a bull. If he seemed the slightest bit aggressive he went to freezer camp. I love watching you farm and teaching me what I missed.
Mark
All very fascinating to me. This is all very far from what I do for a living but it is interesting to see what goes into providing our food supply .
It’s informative thanks Mark
Neat system! Not being a farmer, looks like you could do some partial drying and then recycle the storage part or any other bin back through the top if needed!
Nice setup, Mark
Good video Mark ! I watch 60 minutes and it had a part on farming and listening to you and other CZcams farmers it is a high technology involved to be able to farm to make a profit . They was saying on 60 minutes 10 or 11 $ bushel soybeans yal are losing money .farmers has some high tech equipment . T hff eye was saying it's more and more women farmers owning & running them . Be safe mark tell Sandi hi
Very interesting. Learning a lot watching different farmers with different systems. Hopefully soon I will be able to get my CZcams certified patch. Then I'll feel comfortable handing out my advice to you veterans farmers. Give me a call and I'll help you out. Lol really I'm about 75% lost, but it does look like a very simple system. Really wish I could spend a day or three following your routine and actually learn something. Impressive system you have installed, by the sound of it she's really gonna be set it and forget it. I'm just a noob from the south who has an interest in how things work. Thanks for sharing your videos and story of your way of life . See ya on the next one.
Very interesting, I was not familiar with this style of dryer.
PLCs are programmable logic controllers. Factoid: they used to be known as PCs until the personal computer became overpowering and took their acronym.
It’s been a rough harvest here the guys in Manitoba are starting to wonder if some of the grains won’t be spending the winter in the field. There’s still a bunch of cereals out there and the last time I checked there’s half a foot of snow on the way on wensday. Suppose if it was easy everyone would be doing it.
We run the same system where I work, it works great. I assume you have the same size capacity wet bin to feed it? It takes a little over 2 hours the next morning to transfer grain out of the dryer, so not bad. We take samples out of the leg every 15 minutes while transferring to check moisture levels. Good luck with harvest this year!
Super informative and interesting, Mark.
Thanks
We’ve had a 27’ TopDry since 2004. It’s time to increase our drying capacity. We are leaning toward another TopDry, but a 36’ dual burner this time.
Interesting. I never seen a dryer like that. Mostly free standing mix flow out here
very informative never saw that before . cant wait to see it work. you think your wet come to so central mn just got over three inches again very wet. Stay safe during harvest. Bob
Been watch what's happening your way. Definitely not fun at all and hope the sun shines and the dry dries for you.
Great video! Let’s see some cattle videos!
Very interesting drying system! I like the simplicity. Here in northeast iowa and southeast minnesota i'v seen a few 6,000 bushel top dry but never one that held 19,000 bushels. How many bushels for the season do you approxiamtely run through it?
Mark, we have a top dry that we’re operating as a batch dryer but want to make some changes to increase capacity.
My question is- how are you using it as an auto flow with only one leg to keep the dryer full and still unload trucks/transfer dry grain out?
Very clear explanation thanks. For best efficiency the exhaust air temperature should be very close to grain temp being introduced to the top. When it is operating is there any way of checking that? Of course the bottom floor fan will by virtue of cooling the dried grain transfer that energy to the grain being dried. Looks like a well thought out system. Hope you don't have to use it too much.
I not sure if it can be checked or not. All the temperature probe are located inside the grain bin. Interesting though thou.
Pretty awesome system! Hate to see the fuel bill. Too bad pure ethanol burns too cold. Could use corn fuel burner to dry the corn for the burner. Lol
Wow Mark, that looks like a awesome setup. Here in the UK I have never seen the round bin type systems, ours tend to be in custom buildings with bays so its really interesting to see how you guys do it. Looking forward to seeing it in action (hope you dont need it too much though)
I watch some farming video of people in the UK and I'm like, wow flat bottom storage in a shed, that's different.
@@MarkBrock Hi Mark. Nice of you to reply, really appreciate that. I think the same when I see how you guys do it in Canada & USA, why I love youtube Agri videos. If you want to see what is considered cutting edge grain storage and drying over here check out a youtube video by Jake Freestone on his new setup. Search "Jake Freestone Harvest 2019 Day 25" where he gives a short tour of it. I'll pop a link below but not sure if youtube will allow it, if not use that search term. czcams.com/video/f-JpyARcSIA/video.html
@@kennethgreen2829 I've had the opportunity to meet Jake when he was traveling in Canada. Very nice guy.
@@MarkBrock No Way - Now that's what I call a coincidence.
The dryer sounds great plus the storage capacity will be good at the end of harvest my other question is on alot of farms you might cut beans for a day or two then go to corn and back and forth.won't it take awhile to clean everything out between each crop
As for cleaning out between crops, it takes about half a day for it to be super clean. Less fussy, it take 2 hours.
Très très interessant
Nice. You did a great job explaining how it works. But just thinking what that cost makes my head hurt.lol
Lol, we have a saying...it only zeros
@@MarkBrock i hope it leads to more ones in your pocket
That looks like a gigantic pop corn maker!
Ha Ha, never thought of that. Let's hope it doesn't turn into one!
@@MarkBrock Ha Ha. Yes if it does let us know and I will bring the butter.
That is real nice to have natural gas on you road saves a lot. P.s. pretty fancy
Yep, was a bucket list item for 15 years and was finally able to make it happen.
Thank you for sharing your set up, since agriculture in my area doesn’t include grains I find all the different bin set ups and options very interesting. When you guys made they improvements to your bin site was it planned with future expansion yet again or do you have all the capacity for the land your farm now?
It was planned for future expansion based on yield increases and some small growth.
Another great video I take its cheaper for you to dry than the where you were charges. How much storage do you have on your farm? You and Sandy make a great team
We can dry to less that half of what it would cost in at the elevator. Total storage on the farm is about 120,000 bushels.
WOW!!! Way too much technology for me, lol...but very interesting. Never seen a dryer set up like that
How do the silobins work? I've not seen a tower/pipe in the middle before. Only seen augers and filling one by one.
Do you unload your trucks on one place to fill all the bins? And does unloading also work the same (on one place)?
I'm not a farmer, so i don't know all of it and these systems are new to me. Lol
The pipe at the top in the middle is connected to a grain leg (grain is elevated up 115 feet) which diverts it to the dryer. Truck and wagon unload into a conveyor that dumps into the bottom of the grain elevator.
How much storage bu. is there for the drying chamber? Thanks and great video
It holds 845 bushels in the drying chamber, and it dumps 282 bushels each batch cycle.
Hi Mark quick question for you, are the two plenums the direct the hot air to the top insulated? I would think there would be significant heat loss if they are not insulated.
They duct are not insulated. In speaking with the company and others, I'm told there's very little heat loss as the air velocity is extremely fast.
Wow! Great explanation!!!! So (God forbid) something happens and its not working properly, does the manufacture or a third party come out to fix it, or do you have to do it? What kind of warranty do these things have?
If something "bad" happens, we can look at the simple stuff like temperature probes but anything too complicated will require some help from the installers.
Any chance of a machinery/ implement tour? And also an explanation of how many acres you farm, and the type of crops.
Yep, it's on my to do list.
Not trying to ask for particular numbers, but how did that compare in price to a tower dryer?? Did you price other dryers also???
No sure how it compares to an equivalent capacity tower dryer. We didn't really price other dryers as we were sold on the topdry because of the storage underneath.
Great job describing the system. Very interesting. I'm curious how many bushels of corn per year you plan to dry with this dryer? I'm working with folks drying up to 60,000 bushels per year with a cross flow dryer and I'm wondering if the top dry would make economic sense for them for their farm size.
We dry around 120000 of corn a year. Have a friend that just put a 24ft diameter one up for this fall that dries about 60000 bushel so about the same, so I'd say its economical feasible.
Mark I’m guessing there’s ample proforma data out there that gives you a good sense of when (how many years) a dryer like that “pays for itself” based on historic metrics?
whats the difference between your normal dryer ?
Do you use your overhead bin as wet grain storage as well?
Yeppers
How does it work does they bin has to be completely full or it doesn't matter how much is in it 👍
It doesn't have to be full to work but likely best to have a little bit in the bottom to help with the heat being pumped into the bin.
4 years later. How do you like it?
Mark, the top vents of the heater appeared to have generous gaps around them. Is snow blowing into the bin an issue?
It's a possibility. Our concern this year maybe ice build up during the drying process. If too many vents get plugged, it can pop the roof which is bad.
@@MarkBrock Jeez Mark, I hadn't thought of that! Take heart , their online literature makes it sound pretty infallible. Thanks for the chuckle.
When you talk about wet corn what % moisture are you taking it off at?
Wet for us is anything above 16%, most gets harvested 20 to 30% depending on the year. This year, it's likely going to be 30ish.
Why is the dryer unload out not continuous flow?
Curious as to how quickly do you have to get the crop dried after harvesting?
Corn at a high moisture say 30% (dry is considered 15.5%) it will start heating in 24 hours and can some problems.
@@MarkBrock thank you! Do you have for your own use only? Or will you do custom work for area farmers if needed/asked?
PLC is Programmable Logic Control.
You'll want to remove those grates over the floor auger holes, trash will collect on them, plugging them.
Has your corn black layered yet? Natural gas and 3 phase you lucky guys. We're all single phase with VFDs for the bigger motors but still pretty limited on power, we do buy LP by the transport though big cost savings doing that.
No black layer yet but getting pretty close. Looked at doing the VFD thing but decided to go with a diesel generator instead.
What are your costs per acre when doing custom work? What do you charge, or where would be a good place to start for charging for custom work?
Not completely sure our cost per acre, but when we do custom work we use rates that are typically charged in our area.
How much wet corn storage do you have.?
We have 7000bu dedicated to wet storage, but have the ability to increase that by 22000bu is need be.
a 3 second dump time seems really short. Is that right time for corn
It will likely dry for 20 to 30 minutes in the outside tier, dump out of the chutes for 3 seconds which dumps a 1/3 of the corn in the whole roof, and then refill and start the process all over again.
I bet you can run it in the rain too. Not like most of the other dryers are un efficient
Yes it will make it much nicer.
you wouldn't walk over and glass floor of the CN Tower then like we did when we visited canada from uk
I would, but would not enjoy.
Btdt at the tower, several times, but even so, nodda chance with the glass floor! Nor would I do the stupid whatever walk with the belts on the edge! And I'm known as an adrenalin junkie! Some things a body doesn't need to *do* to know its just stoopid.
What's the ROI on something like that?
On a grain dyer, for our acres and yields it's likely a 7.5 year payback with putting some money in our pocket every year.
It’s also more efficient
How do you make a profit with all that expensive equiptment
Hello sir ji meazai runing pogisetin me Top Dry prpali nat Dry
Seems like your dryer is trying to defy science. Hot air rises so why pump it to the top ? N cold air sinks so why try n force it up ? It’s going to take a lot of energy to push heat down into a solid mass rather than letting it drift up. Plus your wettest corn will be the first put in so your days of storage quickly disappear awaiting the heat from the top to get to the bottom ( wettest) crop. On cold days those ducts will be a huge heat loss til they warm up then condensation will be blown along with air from the drastic change.
Haven't had it running, but there a number of them in the area and they seem to work fine in the cold weather and wet corn. My understanding is that with the velocity of air from the burner fans, there's very little heat loss through the ducts. I might not have explained it well, but the hot air is pushed up through the corn that is drying and the cold air is pushed through the bottom corn upwards and warms as it travels through the hot corn. This air joins the burner hot air to help with the efficiency. Based on some studies done here in Ontario, it is one of the more efficient drying systems.
I’m sure they do but at what efficiency could they operate.
I thought the same thing about the wet crop in the bottom first but that's not how it works. Think of it as the same super B dryer setting on top of a normal bin. As it cycles dry crop out to be cooled it drops into the bin. It's not trying to dry the crop from the top down, its called a top dryer because that's just where the dryer is. I also see the advantage of the air that cools the crop pushed out except when it may be much cooler that grain temp being dried. I'm sure there is a lot to learn on this system but isn't that the case with all new equipment.
Those burners heat air that go up via the ducts - not really forced, the fans there are to minimise heat loss. The cool air entering via the aeration fan is not forced up - it forces cool air in to cool the warm dry corn at the bottom & in turn making the air hotter & hot air goes up to help dry the corn on top faster. The dryer uses the science of physics more efficiently.
jofizal ok the reference forced is stated as it’s the only route for said action due to its natural physics make up. If air is directed it is considered “ forced” like an intake in a vehicle. No fans blowing air into motor however a stand alone is considered forced air intake right ? Lol.