Satterfield - Evans Debate - Pt. 2 - Marriage Divorce and Remarriage 2003 - CofC
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- The Propositions are as follows:
1. The Holy Bible teaches that an alien sinner in an adulterous marriage may repent of sins (including adultery), be baptized for the forgiveness of sins (including adultery) without dissolving his or her last marriage contracted before baptism, and be saved eternally.
Affirm: Jack Evans, Sr. Deny: Phillip Satterfield
2. Biblical repentance requires that an alien sinner in an adulterous marriage must dissolve his or her marriage before being baptized into Christ for the forgiveness of sins.
Affirm: Phillip Satterfield Deny: Jack Evans, Sr.
First night was held at the Macland Road Church of Christ in Marietta, Georgia
Second day was held at the Westend Church of Christ in Atlanta, Georgia
1 Corinthians 7:10
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the LORD): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she MUST REMAIN UNMARRIED OR else BE RECONCILED to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
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"To the married" The question is: has God joined them together in marriage if they are attempting to marry one another in adultery? If God hasn't joined them in adultery then they cannot be reconciled because they were never joined.
What the Blessing our brother was to The Churches of Christ during his lifetime and What a Blessing his Wife and Family was to Him thank God for his life he we pray God will prepare and raise up 7,000 others that will not transgress the Doctrine of Christ also be Blessed 😇🙏🙏😇
Powerful teaching from Dr. Evans
"That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned."
2 Thessalonians 2: 11-12 (GW)
The blood and mercy of Christ covers all sin when baptized. After baptism don't divorce and remarry again.
So should John have just preached repentance to Herod instead of telling him it was unlawful for him to have her?
John the Baptist and Herod lived under the law of Moses on the other side of the cross. There was no mercy only the law.
@@jamesbangs6431 Exactly
@@sisterbecky411 Old Testament before the cross bloop!!!
@@sisterbecky411 Does it say that they were actually married? I think it just says "he had his brother's wife" - maybe she just left her husband to live with Herod without being divorced. Just saying... We can't know for sure. Roman culture was pretty much like ours today when it comes to moral sense regarding sexuals sins.
Luke 16:18
“Jesus said: WHO SO EVER/anyone who DIVORCES his wife and MARRIES another woman COMMITTITH ADULTERY, and the man who MARRIES a DIVORCED woman COMMITTITH ADULTERY.” (Greek present continuous tense or state of being)
You are missing the context, you take two verses and make it a doctrine, without context.
Wrong context! You folk are cultish
My wife has a living spouse but I never had a covenant spouse. My wife is disabled and unable to work, so I don’t know how I would divorce her and make her move out of my house
I'm sorry, but when I read the letter to Philemon it seems that Paul was correcting his attitude toward Onesimus and not the other way around. Versus 8,9 and 16 makes that clear. And where did you get that Onesimus stole anything; there is an 'if' clause in verse 18. WOW!!! Am I the only one seeing this overreach?
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. However, the wife, in the above scriptures, is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews (that Jesus was speaking to) were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39.
Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel.
The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death.
The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. Christ's death on the cross caused the Jews to become dead to the law of Moses, so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the ordinances of law of Moses as justification, over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the ordinances of the law is no longer possible, for Israel, and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15.
Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife.
Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned, by an unbelieving spouse, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving those who are abandoned permission to remarry, do not understand the command that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, and that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh, due to one's unbelief, puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, and himself, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command to verses 10-14 in verse 15.
Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16.
The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions.
The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24.
Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans, and likewise Luke to evangelize the Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
Galatians 2:21
“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
then why is remarriage, adultery...
Unfortunately, the statement he makes, beginning at 1:26:50, applies to so many members of the Lord’s church who actually thinks this way. They will refuse to baptize an individual , and will demand that their home be broken apart. Very sad…
How many members of the church do you really think believes they should leave their eighth wife or husband? I tell you the truth, many go through the wide gate and few find the narrow path. Not everyone who calls Him "Lord Lord" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. See people love sin more than G-d. They desire to do their own will. One thing we all must understand through much prayer and supplication, we must understand that you can't stay in homosexual marriage just because you think you're in Christ. You think that homosexuals dont believe they came to the Lord? I tell you the truth, they do believe they are Christians. But what will you tell a homosexual? See the car analogy or horse is horrible analogy but apply homosexual marriage now what? Yeah people need to Repent and stop making a mockery out of Jesus' words and make it seem like He just spoke for no reason. All scripture is given for reproof, correction, and doctrine so the man of God can be equipped.
They don’t teach sound doctrine Jesus said ALL sins are forgiven except one. Get out
The script say who ever love farther mother sister brother more then me is not worthy of me
the question is what about same sex couples, with children....they get a ....pass....because they have a home.....
@@philipbuckley759 (Phillip) I’ve always found it amazing that the subject of homosexuality is always brought up when dealing with the marriage issue. Homosexual couples do not represent a marriage and the practice of it (homosexual marriages) is intrinsically wrong. Marriage between a man and a woman is not intrinsically wrong and was instituted by God in the very beginning. Homosexuality is a very poor example to use and is unrelated to the issue being discussed.
So if someone commits adultery and then leaves, the other is free to remarry, but if he leaves unbiblically and then remarries, the other is not free to remarry? Is that right?
Everyone i know who have put away their spouse for to be with someone else GOD have judge that person and that person see now "the grass wasn't greener on that side" / a dart strike through liver/ cancer,etc.
I understand now, why we should not debate in public within the Church. There is more than one Biblical subject or perspectives these two brothers have. This shows division. I Corinthians 1:10
Sister Jackson, I understand your position and I've often said the same thing about public debates within the church. Prior to this, I've never seen a public debate within the church but I knew somewhere eventually, one would pop up. It's too bad that a debate of this manner couldn't have been settled in private but since there is more than one perspective out there on this particular topic, I think it's probably best that it was debated. When truth gets out and everyone has a clear understanding as a result, everyone in the listening audience, wins, especially those who adhere to the truth itself. I hope and pray that divisions in the church no longer divide us because when it does, it is God's word that suffers and souls remain lost as a result.
Why does Bro Satterfield keep misquoting the proposition? He's saying Bro Evans says you can be in an adulterous marriage, repent and be baptized and continue to participate in the affair. No! The affirming proposition says, if you are in an adulterous relationship and you repent and be baptized you don't have to divorce the person you are married to. Bro Evans is not saying you can continue the affair after you are baptized. He's saying you don't have to get a divorce before you are baptized. If you repent of the affair I, Bro Evans is assuming you will stop the behavior. Bro Satterfield keeps misquoting that point.
why are some people willing to condemn GOD SO THEY CAN BE RIGHT JOB 40;8 god plainly told DAVID that he had put away his sin and he shalt not die SECOND SAMUEL 12;1-13 GOD IS GOD TAKE YOUR MOUTH OF GOD AND LIE NOT AGAINST GOD THE SIN DAVID DID WAS ADULTERY
If you have taught them what Jesus has said about divorce and remarriage, you don't have to ask them if they have been married more than once,you have taught them and they realize what they need to do,I would rather leave an adulterous marriage than risk my soul in hell for eternity, WHAT IS REPENTANCE, STOP DOING WHAT YOU WERE DOING, a thief cannot be baptized and continue to steal, remain unmarried, suffering is a part of our Christian walk??
You mean you would rather live with a cheater than me alone.. because the Word is clear that you are free to leave!
@@sisterbecky411 reconciliation is the thing to do...
The exception clause found in Matthew is fornication not adultery. Once you are married there is no exception for divorce.
Here's the easy way out of all this confusion stop calling it marriage start calling it what Jesus said adultery...
Then rephrase the questions: Should adulterous Affairs be repented of or can people go to heaven living in adultery?
See when you keep it simple to work of God is abundantly clear and the answer is abundantly clear
You are out of your league son...comments on CZcams are bot the basis for anyone's salvation.
@@bkj58 son??? it is a straight forward, direct question....that sumerizes the whole topic...
We ask God to forgive us for lying, but do that mean that we can continue to deliberately lie, if we have let lying get into our spirits , we need to confess to God, and asked him to deliver us. I committed adultery and I felt guilty when God began to convict me, and it took some years, I have been in two adultery marriages, but I never remember hearing preachers preach about adultery, a few times on the woman that got caught in adultery, but I wasn't convicted about that, because I never got caught in adultery the way that she had. And that didn't bother me at all. I don't remember hearing preachers preach on adultery in the church, because some of the preachers were committing adultery. I've heard preachers say how long they've been married. But this guy Evans is a false preacher, because he's lying to people about God's word, and that's very dangerous. It is in the Ten Commandments thy shalt not commit adultery.
Have you gone back and told the truth for every lie you have done ? If not you are in perpetual false witness and need to find everyone you ever lied to and tell the truth
@@fredarroyo7429 no but you would not make a practice of it......and think that you could continue in a lie...
@@philipbuckley759 exactly
audio...does no one check these things...
When a person repents and is baptized is all their sins forgiven? Does God forget our sins? Are they placed from us as far as east is from the west?
Now God created marriage and hates divorce so should those who been forgiven now do what God hates and be divorced or now as Christians stay married?
Christ was beaten, hung on a cross until death and risen in three days so all of our sins can be forgiven if we obey the gospel.
Can a person who has no sin be married?
So we carrier no sin out of baptism God has made us clean. We are new creatures in Christ or does God need our help to remove sin.
Yes He does forgive all of our sins past and present.
Are you implying He forgives all your future sins as well without repenting?
Are you implying that you can continue sinning willfully after you’ve been forgiven and God will just forget about them abs remove them as far as the east is from the west?
OR... do you have to repent and leave that life of sin behind?
Does God forget and remove sins that we continue to willfully commit?
Remember what you said, “Christ was beaten, hung on a cross until death and risen in 3 days...”
He did NOT GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT SO YOU COULD CONTINUE IN YOUR SINS!
That makes a mockery of what He did on the cross treating it as nothing.
Taking advantage of His grace and trampling underfoot the very blood of Christ.
HEBREWS 10:26-31
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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1 JOHN 3:4-10
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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Yes we all sin and we must continue to confess it daily and TURN from it and not continue to sin WILLFULLY.
1 JOHN 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
would this apply to a same sex marriage...and by the way....the Bible says it is adultery, not a marriage....a big difference....
Philip Buckley .. there’s no such thing as a homosexual marriage!!
@@sisterbecky411 it is the same as a remarriage, that is adultery......
With is own words, Satterfield debunked his teaching: Onesimus was baptised FIRST before he was sent back to Philemon. How can we expect a couple living in an adulterous marriage to do what is right if they don't have the Holy Spirit? Especially since it doesn't seem 100% clear if they must separate or not. But even if that's what they must do: how can you refuse to baptise them? Did Paul ask anyone about their marital status before he baptised people? Do we have to become perfect first before we can get baptised? God will help us to get rid of ours sins once we're born again - not before. Reptentance means to be willing to do what God demands and to turn from sin - WILLING to turn from sin, change your mind about sin. We need the Holy Spirit though to do what's necessary and we receive the Spirit in baptism.
Also: a divorce takes time. Do you want to risk anyone's soul by refusing them to get baptised (they might die in a car accident before they're through with the divorce). Just think about it, this is insane teaching, sorry!
pretty much a standard debate along one topic, and one line of reasoning....
interesting take, on the exception clause....we have an exception....to the exception.....inconvience...
is this Evans in the CofC.....
break up a marriage....hmmm...that is not what the Bible calls it...the Bible calls it...an adulterous relationship....not marriage...
if one steals money....if one changes his mind....what happens to the money....
Philip Buckley .. really? He returns it!
Let us continue in sin and pretend we are saved. Is this the true message of the gospel?
What video was you watching because Dr Evans said no such thing! That is why there is video for incompetent folks like you who want to put words in people's mouth!
Why would God make the innocent spouse pay for the adulterers sin? Jesus was clear that one could divorce & remarry on the grounds of adultery!( Matt.5:32,19:9) The word "fornication" in original Greek is used for different sexual sins, with adultery being one!( homosexuality, beastiality incest being some others!) The spouse that broke the marriage covenant would be the one that would have to spend the rest of their days alone should the injured spouse no longer desire to be with them! ( and that is Great mercy from God, as He used to require DEATH!)
Amen to that
evidently Erasmus changed the translation, from fornication, to sexual immorality, and the reformers jumped on it.....so evidently the reformers, did not reform that well....
Look up the definition to fornication in Oxford. It’s simple that’s why the sinners...when Jesus said do NOT be deceived neither fornicator nor adulterer will enter he kingdom of heaven. They are separate and distinct. One for married people and one for unmarried people having sex unlawfully.
Acts 26:19-20
19 I OBEYED that vision from heaven. 20 I preached...that ALL MUST REPNT of their sins and TURN to God-and PROVE they have CHANGED by the good THINGS THEY DO. Proof of Repentance
Acts 26:20 I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the FOUNDATION OF REPENTANCE FROM ACTS THAT LEAD TO DEATH!(say your sorry? NO!!! TURN AWAY FROM EVIL ACTS THAT LEAD TO DEATH(eternal separation from God), WHAT GOD CALLS EVIL, THAT NAILED CHRIST TO THE CROSS!!!!)
Romans 2:4
Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you??? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to TURN YOU FROM YOUR SIN!!!?
Acts 26:19-20
19 I OBEYED that vision from heaven. 20 I preached...that ALL MUST REPNT of their sins and TURN to God-and PROVE they have CHANGED by the good THINGS THEY DO. Proof of Repentance
Acts 26:20 I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the FOUNDATION OF REPENTANCE FROM ACTS THAT LEAD TO DEATH!(say your sorry? NO!!! TURN AWAY FROM EVIL ACTS THAT LEAD TO DEATH(eternal separation from God), WHAT GOD CALLS EVIL, THAT NAILED CHRIST TO THE CROSS!!!!)
Romans 2:4
Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you??? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to TURN YOU FROM YOUR SIN!!!?
you can keep the car....why did John the Baptist not say that, to Herod.....
Because John the Baptist New God was absolutely sure about his word.
Bro Satterfield took the opportunity to present a private rebuttal after the debate? Not appropriate and out of order in the rules of debate! I'm very disappointed. Did you give Bro Evans an opportunity to respond after your private rebuttal? That was wrong and disingenuous brother.
....what to do with a person, in an adulterous relationship, once they are saved....
STONE ‘EM!! .... in all seriousness, all sin has consequences whether you’re saved or not..and all sin can be forgiven and never mentioned again! Go and sin no more!
@@sisterbecky411 admit it....quit it.....eh....
@@NOTTV7 ., why?
There is as high a percentage of divorces amongst B.A. Christians as in the world. What Christian witness is this to the lost? Many will not teach the truth because many Pastors have been married and divorced unscripturally. If adultery ended a 'one-flesh covenant, lawful marriage union why does the Word say that anyone who marries the one divorced (put away is called an adulterer if they remarry? NIV misses out the second part of Matthew 19v9 which many interpret as one can remarry. The Greek translation in Matthew 19 is porneia and mocheia i.e. sexual immorality and adultery. The NIV translates
the two words as mocheia which gives a different meaning to the original.
If one does not believe marriage is permanent and indissoluble, we end up with remarriages, sometimes multiple times even in the Church!
Satterfield...you are doing the right thing....bringing it up, before the congregation....
No man can fight God he's our creator ( not the creature )
Unfortunately, debates is a practice of dog eat dog, and does little to teach.
I get the impression that the entire argument hinges on the situation of the divorce.
I also notice that Satterfield interjects a lot off connotations that may not have been intended by the Scriptures. He contradicts himself by saying that his premise would not have applied to converts in Acts 2, but did apply to Herodias. Clearly, some details are missing from the context, that we actually would need, if we're going to use them to formulate a doctrine for the New Cov.
Also, I can think of at least three foreign women that the Israelites that married them were not forced to divorce: Ruth, Rahab, the Cushite wife of Moses.
I largely agree with Br. Evans, but he seems a little condescending, which doesn't really help teach.
But they both end up failing to arrive at the truth of the subject. They both quote from 1 Corinthians 7, but they ignore 1 Corinthians 7: 1-8, and 1 Timothy 4:1-4.
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That's why the bible is right tnk God for bro jack Sr he's got back up ( the bible )
it's called contending for the faith
the condition....what if it is sinful....
the frustrating thing about this...is both sides...quote, or cite the Bible, for their side...and is anyone closer to an ....answer..... after...
Philip Buckley .. wow your post go back
4years! How are you doing with those demons you seem to have been fighting!
@@sisterbecky411 life goes on......thanx for asking.....hopefully learning......and growing....
Philip Buckley, you seem to have a grasp on the truth. Correct me if I am wrong. Its seems that you truly believe in your heart that marriage is until death, regardless of circumstances or divorce. If this is true, why do you look for conformation in so many of these types of videos? I watch these videos so I can know how the enemy works.
an adulterous marriage seems to be an oximoron....the Bible says that if one remarries....they commit adultery....it does not mention marriage, per se...
The "remarriage" is the point that one is labeled as an "adulterer"! As long as you remain in that remarriage, you remain as an adulterer! You dissolve the remarriage, the label as an adulterer is removed.
It doesn't have to say - "adulterous marriage"... it's implied.
I have a comment but it's not letting me post it.
sin, is sin, regardless on ones spiritual condition....
Philip Buckley .. yes it is! And sin that one repents of must be stopped! Otherwise seems they truly wasn’t repentant, right?
@@sisterbecky411 this is what people dont like to hear.....admit the sin....quit the sin.....so yes you are correct.....thanx....
Acts 26:19-20
19 I OBEYED that vision from heaven. 20 I preached...that ALL MUST REPNT of their sins and TURN to God-and PROVE they have CHANGED by the good THINGS THEY DO. Proof of Repentance
Acts 26:20 I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the FOUNDATION OF REPENTANCE FROM ACTS THAT LEAD TO DEATH!(say your sorry? NO!!! TURN AWAY FROM EVIL ACTS THAT LEAD TO DEATH(eternal separation from God), WHAT GOD CALLS EVIL, THAT NAILED CHRIST TO THE CROSS!!!!)
Romans 2:4
Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you??? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to TURN YOU FROM YOUR SIN!!!?
once again.....what is up....with John the Baptist...
Brother jack follow the scrip he rightly divided the word
Romans 7:1-3
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from th e law of her husband.
3 So then if, WHILE HER HUSBAND LIVITH, SHE BE MARRIED TO ANOTHER MAN, SHE SHALL BE CALLED AN ADULTERESS: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man
It's hard to listen to this blasphemy and twisting of scripture. It makes me sad and physically sick. I'm out.
I’m currently married to a woman with a living spouse. I already told her God doesn’t recognize our marriage and stopped having sex with her and in pretty much distant now
Now I have to divorce her and figure out how I’m going to take care of her
In John 4 when Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman at the well and revealed that he knew she had 5 husbands and the one she was with was not her husband, I wonder why he told her she rightly said that she did not have a husband if her first husband was perhaps alive? I base this on Jesus acknowledging her multiple marriages as divorce more so than resulting from death of spouses because he was exposing her sins. Also I find it interesting in this debate that the word divorce is not used when dealing with the remarriage; instead the word DISSOLVE is used. Well does God hate divorce or not? Whether it is the first divorce or any that follow? If the Mosaic Law could provide an escape clause allowing one to divorce and remarry without being marked as an adulterer until death how much more grace do we have in Jesus Christ? Jesus is the one who fulfilled all righteousness of the law and we are in Him and therefore are righteous in Him. I wonder if the woman at the well were married to the man she was living with how Jesus would have responded.
it is an appeal to ignorance because nothing is said about divorce, death, or anything about these individuals....
Let me get this straight.. Phillip Satterfield was married to Ellen Satterfield and Now is married to TLS on October 13, 2016 ???? Was there Fornication involved in dissolving the first marriage???? Are you practicing what you preach Phil????
go and see him personally and ask....if so....ask him to repent, by leaving that relationship...
What does TLS mean?
@@pompasduris it seems to be the initials of another person...clue.....is married to......and that would be a person...
Lol all these church folk are hypocrites that’s why I ran from this mess lolol
but see you giving fuss information because that’s not right either. but thanks for thinking you know what you talking about. but if it help your heart sleep and live god truly we are getting out of our sinful life.
some people do have a break down but can come back to chris and that’s what he is trying to do now.
but i can see that you not so right with god either
Pray that God will open your eyes to see the truth. It's right there in the word of God, don't be persuaded by man that tell you what you want to hear, what satisfies the flesh. Here are biblical principles supported by God's word. I've decided with the help of the Holy Spirit to follow God's explicit words, and not put my soul salvation in the bias interpretation of mankind.1. AND A HUSBAND MUST NOT DIVORCE HIS WIFE.
1 Corinthians 7:11
A WIFE IS BOUND AS LONG AS HER HUSBAND LIVES. (vice versa for the husband)
1 Corinthians 7:39
2. KEEP YOUR MARRIAGE VOW
Numbers 30:2 ESV
“If a man vows a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word. He shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth.”
1 John 2:5 ESV
But whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
3. Does that mean I have to stay with an abusive spouse?
1 Corinthians 7:11
But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.…
4. Singles, do not enter into marriage lightly. Marriage by God's standard is for life as long as you both shall live. The court system allows "no fault" divorce but God does not. He calls the Remarriage to someone else while you have a living spouse Adultery. Please really get to know yourself, the person, prayer, and people who love you to help you decide on this lifelong decision. Marriage is serious covenant business.
Did God give His Only Begotten Son so we could continue to live like the world: divorce, remarried, children from multiple people, broken homes, etc? The devil is a liar. JESUS said, "Moses permitted you to divorce because your hearts were hard, But it was not this way from the beginning (Matthew 19:8)." Lord and Savior Christ Jesus did not give His all for mankind to continue to live in sin. We must repent-forsake the sin and when we truly give our hearts to Christ Jesus, we are empowered to live holy, not live in compromise and act like the world. God is not going to let His Son shed blood be in vain. Bottomline, Living for God requires a SACRIFICE: You may lose friends, family , parents, or an adulterous union (legal by law not by God) that you have to give up. Are we going to be like the rich man who refuse to sell his stuff to follow JESUS or will we become like Jesus and let nothing separate us from our God.
Ila Oree sad to see that people don't agree with your comment. I am fighting the good fight to not date and remarry because I want to go to heaven and I am the innocent one. My husband divorced me and therefore I am still married and will not cause a man to commit adultery. Your comment is spot on. Still today people who stand the same as John the Baptist are hated when all they are doing is trying to keep a soul from hearing "go away, I never knew you, you who continued in lawlessness".
@@WalkingbytheSpiritAlways and your ex husband? Has he been sexually involved with someone else since walking out on you? Is there a chance of reconciliation?
@@marlonkruger6699 There is always a chance of reconciliation until he dies. He has remarried and had a child but that is just adultery. I forgive him, and if he repents, he will get out of the adultery and come back to our marriage. But there isn't much time before the rapture of the true church- 1 Thessalonians 4.
Walking by the Spirit Always .. Jesus said you are free since HE( your husband) is the one to commit adultery(Matt.5:32,19:9) The Word " fornication" used in these Scriptures is the word "Porneia" in the Original Greek which is used for different sexual sins, adultery being one of them!( also homosexuality, Beastiality.incest..)But I do understand that YOU feel you must stay unmarried so therefore you must( as it would be sin to you to remarry!) but please pray for understanding and truth in the case of adultery so you won't condemn others to a life of pain and loneliness when they don't have to be!( howbeit the one that committed adultery would have to be alone all the rest of their days should the first spouse remarry! But that would be part of the consequence for their sin of breaking the marriage covenant!) God bless.
Becky sister in Christ when is a life lived for Christ ever a life of pain and loneliness?
It’s actually the exact opposite.
Satterfield in the debate, truly i haven't heard him discuss and go to the word where the blood dose not cover , and forgive sin.
After we are saved the way he says we have to be , do we get rebaptized over,and over? when we fall short as we all do? Paul said i die daily, also he even admitted he struggled with sin , I have never herd in a alter call come to Jesus, but some of you must dissolve your adulteress relationship first.
john crane where did Paul say he was struggling with sin?
Rom. 7 :14- 17
john crane .. hi, I believe if the adulterer is a backslider( a Christian) they must first come out of their sin before they can be cleansed from the sin of adultery! No we are not told to be perfect before we are first baptized but Once we are saved we must stop sinning willingly! How can anyone be forgiven if they die in their sin?
@@sisterbecky411 good point...
@@sisterbecky411 I wasn't specific enough no adulterer will see the kingdom of God , what I meant if your divorced, and remarried, and then you come to christ I never herd in a alter call , or told you have to get a divorce to be saved,
1 Corinthians 7:39
“A wife is bound by law AS LONG AS HER HUSBAND LIVES; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.”
What law?
What would one have to do if one took someone life ? How do he get forgiveness?
@@clemongentry5819just ask for forgiveness. God is willing to forgive.
Now here is a tack I have never seen anyone use before but it makes sense. The blood bought church is going to judge ANGELS right?1Cor 6:3.What did the fallen angels do? They took "illegal" wives from the daughters of men .Gen 6 .For this they will be in everlasting chains. Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." So is the blood bought church going to "keep' their "illegal wives" yet JUDGE angels FOR DOING THE SAME THING? That HYPOCRACY!!And these hypocrites will be appointed their portion with the hypocrites. Plain and simple.
Evans....What shall we say then? Shall we continue, in sin, that grace may abound? Romans 6.1 answer....6.2....no
Adulterous Marriages are unlawful in Gods eyes.. He aint addressing John The Baptist addressing King Herods adultery...Telling him to : give: back that woman to her first husband .This pastor is WRONG!! He's not addressing Ezra 10 either ...
does a debate change anyones mind.....
Didn't change mine. I still stand for God's word on marriage being life long covenant, until death.
what would you require of same sex relationships, called marriages.....would you break up this home...
Yep exactly it's sin
This isn't Dr. Evans' Teachings, it's God's Teachings. The Apostle Paul was Commissioned by Christ himself. Paul was Writing the Epistle to the Church in Corinth, not to the Citizens of Corinth. Paul said that if a "BROTHER" has a Wife who isn't in Christ if he chooses to remain with her then his Unfaithful Wife is Sanctified by that Brother/Husband. That their Children (if they had any) wouldn't be Comdem because of their Mother/Wife Unbelief.
I agree Anthony. Brethren like Brother Satterfield have NEVER been in a position where divorce had to take place. I for one have been divorced not by my will or guilt but by the will of my x-wife. I remarried and was disfellowshiped. I was divorced AGAIN by my SECOND WIFE and AGAIN found myself alone! Loneliness can really have a very, very bad effect on a person. All THEY say is that "we KNOW it is HARD but you must remain ALONE." Christ said some can accept it and some can't. These men that teach against remarriage that makes you a continuous ADULTURER have NO IDEA of how they would go through life of loneliness or how well THEY could handle it. My wives divorced me and not because I was unfaithful because I wasn't There was nothing I could do to prevent the divorce. I admire Brother Evans. I believe he has a better understanding of God's love and forgiveness.
This passage comes to mind " Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30"Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. 31"Treat others the same way you want them to treat you "
The part whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back for me at least applies to remarriage 2 people remarry be it biblically or unbiblically comes to Christ and realisies there wrong doings they should continue from there. God could make use of them to do his will while being in that marriage who are we to condemn and judge anybody its not our business. Bless you all
why do we have a Bible....it is a guide to correct, or holy living....
Yeah well,a coat is not a covenant marriage.
Do we tell a lusting person to stop lusting before baptism? Do we tell a thief to return all stolen property before baptism? Do we tell the drug addict to stop being a drug addict before baptism? Since when did the Church of Christ demand a standard of perfection before baptizing the individual? I think that we tread on dangerous ground when we demand any level of "Perfection" before baptizing someone who wants salvation. I think it best that we always give the truth to an individual, but we should never deny baptism. Knee jerk reaction here...
Ignorance is killing us. Baptism demands repentance, period.
Repentence is between the individual and GOD.
Lungyao1 Yes you are right, and your point?
William McCormick My point is that man cannot judge another persons repentance.
Lungyao1 Paul from jail judge the church in Corinth. We are to keep each other accountalbe. The Chrstians are one body, and if one member is sinning, he sins against his body and God. So, that is why Paul told them to judge righteously.
Matthew 19.9 fornication....KJV....written to the Jews, and their custom of divorcing to end an engagement.....ergo nothing after marriage....
Completely false! A novice way of thinking at best! Jesus was reintroducing the law of marriage that was given at the created order. He was introducing the law of marriage for the Christian dispensation.
Jesus kept things short and sweet for a reason. If you marry another while your spouse is alive you have committed adultery. If your spouse dies and you marry a divorced person whose spouse is alive you commit adultery .That's about it. Kind a takes away the bait[remarriage] for divorce does it not? Brilliant!!!God is wise.
The Simply Answer a 2 Year old could understand. 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 Wake Up Folks
Matthew 5:32 settles it.
Please read Exodus 22:16. Fornication is when a woman marries a man who didn't take her virginity. Thank you!
grace, and mercy....hmmm....how is that shown, in the Bible...once again....same sex marriage....fornication....unwed, but living together....where does this become enpowering one, to sin...
not being under bondage, is not akin to not being bound...a different verb with a different meaning...
forgive....everybody...even the ones that shot me, and left me....to die.....ugh....
Wow... now that's a cross to bare. But if you ask Jesus to full you with his Spirit you can forgive them.. he was able to forgive those that beat him so bad that no one could even recognize him not even his own mother, then nailed him to a cross.. and has he forgiven you? I don't pretend to know how he forgives those that do so wickedly but he does..so look to him and ask him to give you that kind of love.
@@sisterbecky411 amen....thanx...
So how do Saul and the murders of Christ make amends?
What law punishes the innocent?
What law makes a lawful marriage a crime?
Nonsense, there is no such thing as an adulterous marriage. That is rubbish by very definition.
Right these folk teach legalistic doctrines.. they’re blinded by Alexander Campbell’s false teachings
stay in a calling....to the married....er...not to the remarried....and once again...same sex marriage, and fornication....oh yeah....praise the Lord....unfortunately John the Baptist did not know about this...
Evans...I dont understand your message....
That is because he is twisting scripture with his own reasoning.
@@rosserscott4376 exactly
People looking for loop holes to sin. Nothing more.
1. The Holy Bible teaches that an alien sinner in an adulterous
marriage may repent of sins (including adultery), be baptized for the
forgiveness of sins (including adultery) without dissolving his or her
last marriage contracted before baptism, and be saved eternally.............................so they can stay in that marriage and still be saved....no way....does what evans teach also applies to common law marriage....neither 1 is marriage in the sight of GOD
would this include a same sex marriage...
and your Scripture reference....
todd smith .. I'm pretty sure that John was telling Herod to get out of his adulterous relationship ( though Herod was a sinner!) Matt.14:3
@@sisterbecky411 this is true....so what is different, today...
I would like to see someone try to implement this policy of ....getting out of an adulterous...relationship....
Philip Buckley
Philip Buckley .. why would God make the innocent spouse pay for the adulterers sin? Jesus was clear that one could divorce & remarry on the grounds of adultery!( Matt.5:32,19:9) The word "fornication" in original Greek is used for different sexual sins, with adultery being one!( homosexuality, beastiality incest being some others!) The spouse that broke the marriage covenant would be the one that would have to spend the rest of their days alone should the injured spouse no longer desire to be with them! ( and that is Great mercy from God, as He used to require DEATH!)
@@sisterbecky411 who is speaking of this type of divorce...
Philip Buckley .. sorry if misunderstood you.
Philip Buckley ..not sure where your coming from but the Words of Jesus are clear, if your spouse commits adultery or any sinful sexual act as a Christian we are free to divorce and remarry. It is the guilty party that must remain single the rest of their life! And they better repent of their adultery too or go to Hell and really know what Loneness is!
You are is SINNING Preaching Mathew-John before Yeshuas Death as New Testament Doctrine is SIN. Do Not Fight against the Real New Testament of Yeshuas Acts 2-Revelation 22. Acts 2:42 2 John 9-11 Verses John7:16 You all Want to Preach the Old Testament Kingdom of Israel only Kingdom of Heaven Good News Preached only to Israel. Mathew 4:23 Mathew 10:5-6 Mathew 15:24 Salvation was only for Fleshly Circumcised Israel in Mathew-John before Yeshuas Death. John 4:22 Luke 19:9 Mathew 19:16-21 That old Testament Kingdom was TAKEN FROM ISRAEL, But You all believes that old testament Kingdom that was taken from Israel. Mathew 21:43 is Yeshua New Testament Kingdom we are in today. How Foolish when Yeshua Said NO NO NO John 18:36 Yeshuas new Testament Kingdom was not of the Old Testament World of Israel, so John 3:16 God so Loved past Tense the Old Covenant World of Israel only that Whosoever in Israel only who Believed on Him as the Messiah to Israel only could have eternal life. John 3:3-6 Old Testament Jews had to be Born again Children of God into Yeshua New Testament Kingdom out of that Fleshly Kingdom they were once under By going from that Old Covenant age Kingdom to the New Testament kingdom .Colossians 1:13 Acts 3:19 Now We are Spiritually Circumcised by Water Baptism. Colossians 2:11-12 You all and Your Folks has not Figured this out yet. We want to Help You and Your Folks, but they never seem to listen. I will Challenge all of Your Bunch to REFUTE THIS COVENANT TRUTH. Let us wait for a Reply From This Bunch to Reply .Oh By the Way if You Falsely Claim there was no Salvation under the Law that is False to cause Yeshua Blood went Back to Cleanse Old Testament Sins of the Past. Romans 3:25. Jerry also wants us to Seek the Old Testament Kingdom of Israel only and That Old Testament Righteousness, and He Thinks that Applies to us today. NO NO NO Mathew 6:33 If You all would use common sense you would know according to Romans 10:5-6 That Israel Would seek Old Testament Righteousness. He would know Yeshua said for Israel only to be PERFECT under the Law of Moses. Mathew 5:48 Deuteronomy 18:13 King James version .Your Bunch can't Distinguish between Perfection under the Law of Moses, and for us to be under the PERFECT NEW COVENANT Law of LIBERTY. JAMES 1:25 JAMES 2:12. Poor Jerry can't Figure out how to Rightly Divide Gods Word Only By The COVENANTS PERIOD. Lets wake up
What BONDAGE these “church folk” have people under! Smh just like the days of old. Please wake up and leave this man made religion alone people and BE FREE!!
Who wrote the Bible start there😉😉