Heretics! What Divides Christians? With Francis Chan, Hank Hanegraaff & Metropolitan Yohan
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2020
- Heretic! Hank Hanegraaff, Francis Chan, and Metropolitan Yohan have all been accused of being heretics. The backlash that Francis Chan received after making comments about the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist was the inspiration to have this conversation dealing with the epidemic of division within the body of Christ. The Eucharist was supposed to bring Christians together and yet it has become so divisive. What issues are essential doctrines and what should Christians divide over?
Topics discussed include: The Eucharist was supposed to bring Christians together and yet it has become so divisive-what issues are essential doctrine and what should Christians divide over? (0:20); going back to the early church to discover what is essential Christian doctrine (9:10); are we saved into the church or is being saved primarily personal? (11:15); why is there so much denominational division in Christianity? (16:30); it is not the absence of truth that damns but the despising of truth that damns (19:30); should different perspectives on the Eucharist divide the body of Christ? (23:25); the value of holy tradition (26:15); the arrogance of many Christian leaders relying on their personal interpretation as opposed to relying on the collective wisdom of the early church (35:20); deep spiritual growth begins with humility (38:35); how Hank Hanegraaff’s experiences with the local church in China changed his perspectives on many things, especially understanding deification (43:50); a lack of humility in people that are creating division within the body of Christ (48:20); searching for humility because God gives grace to the humble and resists the proud (54:35).
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It's been two years since I first watched this video. Since then, I have been inspired to look into communion and the ancient church. I looked at the history, and at first, I thought the Catholic Church was the right path, but then I discovered Orthodoxy, and now I am coming home this year. After two years, I have verified and found much more true than I have seen in the Protestant church. I have nothing but love for my brothers and sisters, but the completeness I feel is so true, and I have never felt the closeness to God I have now.
This was really surreal watching. I grew up a strict calvinist. Went to college and had a short atheist stint. Then, I was drawn into the Lord's Recovery that Hank mentions. I'm now about to be chrismated and received into the Orthodox Church. Praise be to God that I have found the True Faith! Worshiping the Undivided Trinity!
Praise God I was brought into the Church last year☦
And what about the divisive filioque question?
@@johannesdekoning9521 What about it? It's pretty straight forward.
@@ChristIsLord7 I left Protestantism and actually did a short stint in Catholicism before Orthodoxy. The change was stimulated by reading patristics and church history. My objective was to find the church that Jesus founded by tracing doctrines backward through church history. I left Protestantism because I discovered in my studies that the Protestants invented new doctrines that didn't exist before the 1500s. I became Catholic under the Society of St Pius X because I rejected the theological novelties of Vatican II. I was stuck there for a really long time because I couldn't figure out who left who during the Great Schism. I talked to loads of Catholics about it and their arguments weren't terrible. The issue is that when I looked at the history and, again tracing back the doctrines, I discovered that #1 the arguments dismissed much of the history and #2 the Orthodox weren't the ones who had changed their theology or practice. This is all before even meeting someone Orthodox or reading anything published through the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox didn't change and as much as I love both my Protestant and Catholic separated brethren, y'all did.
I attended my first Divine Liturgy and, while I don't believe that experience is a valid test for truth, I had a deeply moving spiritual experience. I could sense the great cloud of witnesses there with me. By sense I mean that, if you were sitting beside me, just outside my peripheral vision, I would sense you. It was just like that. I swear I could have turned my head and seen the Theotokos or the Deacon Stephen standing beside me. I basically never cry, but I wept with joy through it.
Sorry if it was a little long.
Acts 17 29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Wow this is a totally different HH than who I listened to 20 years ago. This man speaks from a solid foundation.
He is a good man, and now he's home.
“Thus says the Lord: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’”
Jeremiah 6:16
Exactly, Chan is not walking in them
I see 3 brother obedient to the Word of God as you love each other and you certainly love God. Thank you so much you bring a lot of hope by this message.
Thank you, men! What a true witness to so humbly seek unity. I was a reformed pastor, serving a church and also pursuing post graduate studies in seminary when I seriously began to deal with the early Church, since it was my focus of study. For brevity, my path lead to becoming Catholic. As part of the Western Church, I so happily love my sister Eastern Church. Pope Saint John Paul II, refers to our East and West connection as the church that must breath with two lungs, “Ut Unum Sint”, that we may be one. I have great hope that this unified life giving breath will come to fullness and endure, for Christ has built his Church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against her. I pray for you, brothers Francis and Hanegraaff, because I know the difficulties you face from those that come at you that are dear friends in the Lord. May almighty God continue to bless you men in all that he has given you to do. I agree with other comments about reaching out to Scott Hahn, also a former reformed pastor and convert to Catholicism. God used his example to help form me. I pray for continued humility and peace for the sake of Christ’s Church!
I have always said that the reformed faith is a back door to Rome. First you read Calvin then Augustine, after that the “fathers” Before long you are so inundated with the doctrines of men that you find yourself bowing to a wafer and praying to the dead who cannot hear prayer. You have made the word of God of none effect by your tradition.
Friend, God desires that you believe the gospel, not the traditions of men. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. It really is that simple.
@@whatistruth2810 no it's not that simple. If that's simple look at the world now, look at the world now, look look look at the world now...
Traditions are very important, as Jesus said at the last supper, DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME. That's TRADITION.
catholic Church does that for 2000 years even today and it will continue. That's the TRADITION I am talking which is important.
And bowing to the water and asking intercession with saints as you wrongly mentioned as dead, I will explain you if you are interested to know more. But once I explain its going to shake your foundation. So get ready to enlightened.
@@whatistruth2810 Ironically, your first sentence is a statement of your own doctrine, followed by another and then doctrines of other men. “Bowing to a wafer” and “praying to the dead.” Do you not know the origin of this tradition that disparages the Lord’s Supper and Great Cloud of Witnesses? Are you not aware that our earliest Christian brothers and sisters, under pain of imprisonment, and martyrdom “bowed to bread”, “prayed to the dead” and even collected relics of other faithful martyrs and saints? Do you not know the tradition in which the Holy Scriptures were transmitted, preserved, and handed down to you over the millennia? Then, what interpretative tradition or doctrine did the reformers (a.k.a. a bunch of men) hold in the 16th century, when they began to innovate, creating new Christian doctrine and removed parts of Scripture that weren’t compatible with their own doctrine? These traditions and doctrines manifested in so much division that Christians cannot even worship together, resulting in tens of thousands of denominations today. There are even those that claim to be non-denominational, which ironically have their own set of doctrines and traditions without even knowing it.
I loved this. I’ve been having a lot of those same questions about the beliefs of our early church fathers. Thank you so much for sharing this discussion.
I am thankful to be in audience to this conversation. After much study, I have discovered that anytime we conclude in such a way that Christ is no longer at the center and we try to get glory to ourselves, then and only then have we dangerously crossed the line to heresy! Neglecting to give God the glory, thus reaching for our own glory was our down fall from the very beginning in the garden.
The last 2 vids were great but really looking forward to this one!
How can we access the last two videos you are referring to?
This is amazing! Thank you for doing this “round table” of sorts. I’ve been having questions for a long time and to see 2 prominent evangelical men-one who is willing and desirous to learn and the the other who has made the conversion to orthodoxy is very encouraging.
I love watching your journey and will keep praying for you.
This can't be easy as you see where you are headed.
Indeed, Praying for you... I can hear the desperation in your voice. The sincere desire to follow Christ. God bless your journey!
"Despising of truth is what damns", is the greatest quote here.
Ahhh yes, but what is TRUTH. Is Christmas worshipping in Spirit and Truth? Or is God's Feast of Tabernacles? "And the word became flesh and TABERNACLED among us."... "If you want to enter into life, keep the Commandments." ... "I set before you life and death, blessings and curses, choose life..."... "Keep MY Commandments and live, and My LAW as the apple of your eye." Is Sunday REALLY SABBATH? HOW was it changed? By WHO? Have you ever read The Maccabees? It is the reason for the Feast of dedication, Hanukkah. "At that time the Feast of dedication took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple....
I would say the dismissal, but Hank is way more knowledgeable than me, so I'll defer to him.
@@LightSeekers777 are you up on here being a Judiezer?
@@JLeppert Who would lie and say God's Laws are done away? Satan! He was a liar from the beginning. If NOW we are not supposed to keep God's Laws, that means God and Satan have switched places from the garden. Suddenly God says His good and perfect law no longer matters, and Satan wants us to be obedient to God's Laws? Get real, Satan is still up to his old tricks, this is the great deception and he has deceived MANY. ...Anyone who says, "I have come to know God," but does not obey His commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him (1John 2:4)..... Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" And then I will declare to you, "I never KNEW you; depart from Me, you who practice LAWLESSNESS!" (Matthew 7:22-23). So who does God KNOW?.... His delight is in the Law of the Lord, and in His Law he meditates day and night. He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water.... For the Lord KNOWS the way of the righteous... (Psalm 1).
@J C A covenant is like an agreement. In this case a marriage agreement between Jesus and His bride. In order to understand what a marriage covenant looks like to God, you need to understand the character and parameters God ALWAYS remains in. This is described as KNOWING Him. Too many people like to define Jesus and God by the New Testament, but He has not changed. Jesus is the Torah, God's living WORD and instructions. The New covenant according to the prophets, will be for Judah and Israel, this is why we must be grafted in. (Jeremiah 31:31-33) The New covenant will be written on our hearts so that we won't sin against Him. If we are in covenant, we are not an adulteress bride FOLLOWING the world, we are FOLLOWING God's commandments, statutes, feasts, Sabbaths, and ordinances. The Bible NEVER says He judges people who live in different times differently, that is a lie that goes against God's very own Laws. It is a lie of Dispensationalism, which claims God's Laws are BONDAGE. This is a HUGE lie! SIN IS BONDAGE and leads to DEATH. Jesus came to purchase His bride and free her from SIN, which is breaking God's Law. His rod and staff are to guide us as He disciplines us to walk according to God's WAY!
I love Francis Chan. ... I see a lot of problems with some of what is being said. But I appreciate this conversation being held.
Good video. Thanks. I can relate to many of the things Francis Chan is struggling with. I have become very interested in the ancient Church.
So much depth. The backbone of the faith we profess. Thank you for sharing this discussion with us. Praise be to the Lord God Our Father 🙇🏿♂️
Beloved, children suffering from (Leukemian) God minister to me in a revelation when I was praying concerning things about you, I saw blessing but spirit monitoring and with motive to destroy you. But as I speak to you now her time is up, you will sow a seed to motherless babies who is suffering from Leukemia (saviour motherless foundation) in Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith, as I join you in prayer My heavenly father will bless you as you sow a seed to these orphanages children today, you will testify to the glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him, Proverb (3: 27,21: 26: 22: 9 ), Deu 28: 1 '5 Contact the MD of the orphanage Foundation on WhatsApp No 2348137411949 Or Email: (saviourfoundation96@gmail.com)send your donation to them God bless you ....,,.,....,
Praise the Lord for His infinite Mercy 🌸🙏🏽
Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on me, Amen. O Lord, You who steadied the hand of Peter as he began to sink on the stormy sea, if you are with me, no one is against me. Grant to me the shield of faith and the mighty armour of the Holy Spirit to protect me and guide me to do Your will. The future I put into Your hands, O Lord, and I follow You to a life in Christ. Amen. Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Ghost, now and forever and unto the ages of ages, Amen.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@Daniel Pan You're committing heresy.
@Daniel Pan It seems like you're a Sedevacantist. The Second Council of the Vatican is a Church Council and therefore remains as valid as the Council of Jerusalem in 50 AD. If you reject the Council, you risk losing your soul..
@Daniel Pan Vatican II doesn't contain heresies. Of course I disagree with Vigano's placing of his own personal interpretation above the authority of an ecumenical council. It's a no-brainer. There's room for argument on the implementation of Vatican II but to delegitimize its authority is reckless. The Church - not Archbp. Vigano or the pope - is the pillar and foundation of truth.
@@mitchellc4 Jesus also said in John 17:5
[5] And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with THE GLORY THAT I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED.
There are countless verses where Jesus claims to be divine. Jesus never said “I am God” word for word because who would believe that?
God, YHWH said that “I am who I am” in Exodus 3:14
[14] God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
In the New Testament it says:
John 8:56-59
[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” [57] So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” [58] Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” [59] So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
“Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die” shows how ignorant you are of the Trinity and the Nature of Christ. Your beliefs are heresies condemned by the church for years. The church fathers defended the Trinity from you heretics. May the Triune God have mercy upon you and make you realise that you are in grave danger.
I always love it how mr Hanegraaff speaks of important matters in the most succinct fashion.
Beloved, children suffering from (Leukemian) God minister to me in a revelation when I was praying concerning things about you, I saw blessing but spirit monitoring and with motive to destroy you. But as I speak to you now her time is up, you will sow a seed to motherless babies who is suffering from Leukemia (saviour motherless foundation) in Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith, as I join you in prayer My heavenly father will bless you as you sow a seed to these orphanages children today, you will testify to the glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him, Proverb (3: 27,21: 26: 22: 9 ), Deu 28: 1 '5 Contact the MD of the orphanage Foundation on WhatsApp No 2348137411949 Or Email: (saviourfoundation96@gmail.com)send your donation to them God bless you ....,,.,....,
@@pastorprincejoseph2075 Your account has been hacked, pastor!
We are always learning everyday and it is the HUMILITY that enables you to learn more and share. Remember that people are true when they show the fruit of the spirits of Jesus. That is it.
This is something I always struggled with as a Protestant. Why as American Protestants always seem to condemn other trinitarian believers. Even I couldnt do it, since my brothers and sisters in Catholic and orthodox churches are dying for the faith in other countries. I commend these 3 men who want to come together.
The Holy Spirit has me on this same journey, brother, meditating on these same issues!
Beloved, children suffering from (Leukemian) God minister to me in a revelation when I was praying concerning things about you, I saw blessing but spirit monitoring and with motive to destroy you. But as I speak to you now her time is up, you will sow a seed to motherless babies who is suffering from Leukemia (saviour motherless foundation) in Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith, as I join you in prayer My heavenly father will bless you as you sow a seed to these orphanages children today, you will testify to the glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him, Proverb (3: 27,21: 26: 22: 9 ), Deu 28: 1 '5 Contact the MD of the orphanage Foundation on WhatsApp No 2348137411949 Or Email: (saviourfoundation96@gmail.com)send your donation to them God bless you ....,,.,....,
It is comforting to know that Francis is wrestling with the same things that I am. Thank you gentlemen.
@Daniel Pan thank you
@Daniel Pan Yes.
Francis, we cannot afford to put our hope, our trust, in man or denominations. We are living in the endtimes. There is great deceptions in places where people meet. 1 Corinthians 14:33 For the LORD is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. We must keep our eyes on JESUS, HIS HOLY WORD. We must keep asking for the HOLYSPIRIT to lead and guide us. We born-again believers have the HOLY SPIRIT living within us. HE is our teacher and guide. James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of GOD that giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not it shall be given him. JESUS made it so easy that a child can understand it. The LORD has things for us all to do. We that are born-again, each of us has a personal relationship with JESUS. He is the only one that can lead us and guide us. Born- again believers are the church not buildings or denominations. In Acts 7:48 the BIBLE tells us the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands. HE JESUS THE HOLYSPIRIT lives and indwells within us. We must keep seeking the LORD and asking HIM to keep us in HIS TRUTH. And HE will keep us in HIS TRUTH. We are here to do our FATHER'S WILL. Let all men fear GOD AND WORSHIP HIM. None of us can do nothing without CHRIST. We only boast in HIM. HE IS WORTHY TO BE PRAISED! HE REIGNS! And HE will come back to judge the earth! Let us be looking for HIS coming! Let us continue to seek HIS FACE, talk to HIM, sing to HIM, and give him the GLORY due unto HIS NAME and daily read HIS WORD and pray, pray, and pray. OUR SHEPHERD will take care of us. HE will never leave us nor forsake us. HALLELUJAH AND PRAISE THE LORD!
@Daniel Pan John 3:16 For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life! It doesn't matter what man thinks. GOD'S WORD IS TRUE! I believe on JESUS CHRIST and I repented of all my sins. And HE has promised me ETERNAL LIFE! HE IS REAL and HE walks with me and HE talks with me. And HE lets me known I am HIS own. JESUS is MY SAVIOUR. MY KING. When HE calls me, I hear HIS voice! Oh what JOY, because of JESUS, my sins have been forgiven. And I am promised ETERNAL LIFE. I hope you have surrendered your whole life to CHRIST because JESUS is the only way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the FATHER but by HIM. JESUS JESUS PRECIOUS JESUS our only HOPE and SALVATION! Blessed be the NAME of the LORD!
@Daniel Pan JESUS JESUS PRECIOUS JESUS, THE LAMB OF GOD, YESHUA, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS! YOU ARE WORTHY TO BE PRAISED! YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE SINNERS. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SET THE CAPTIVE FREE! YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS WORTHY TO OPEN THE SCROLL AND LOOSEN ITS SEVEN SEALS! EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD! HALLELUJAH AND AMEN!
Humility through the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the One who taught the early church and teaches us now. Holy Spirit brings unity.
Absolutely! That is the core of the message we have been given. We live humbly for Love.
Yes, indeed. The Spirt of God is not divided, right? Why then so many Protestant denominations that none of these can unite in worshipping Christ on the Lord’s day? Does each denomination believe it’s so correct that it would force division? Interesting question for sure.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Amen! We need to become NOTHING so God can become our EVERYTHING! we need to surrender daily and take up our cross and follow Him! Lay everything down at His feet! Would mean a lot if yall would check out my husbands sermons. He let's God move and speak through him. Its all about God! Not us! We are just vessels for His GLORY!!! God is so good! He helps me every day to fight stage 3 crps (wprst pain on national pain scale called the suicide disease) and helped me to overcome what doctors said I couldn't and now we have our own ministry on facebook and tiktok and God lead us to each other in His perfect timing on smule and now we have church on smule every Thursday on our group "overcome." We have church twice a week as well. I was bedridden for years and although I cant walk far and have to take a wheelchair, have to recover for a day to two to small things etc I was told my legs and feet would be amputated and I would die! I have not died,but I die daily to self!!! I live for God! Phillipinans 1:21 "to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Im an overcomer through Christ who strengthens me and whoever reads this know God is with you and will never forsake you! So important to get alone with God and read the Bible and know it for yourself so you can test the spirits and teachers to know who is real and who is false and have a real relationship with God. If anyone needs prayer please contact us on facebook or under a comment on a video of ours. God bless yall! We all need to be humble and have a servants heart. My husband kneels down when my feet are super red and swollen from the stage 3 crps and erythromelalgia (they burn on fire) and he kisses them to show me that he is here to serve me with love. He is here to serve God and serve me by loving and following God first and leading me with Christs love. We are here to serve God! Not the other way around . God doesn't exist to serve us as so many sadly think. We are not here for things of this world and wordly desires and self but here for the truth, for living for God, to be servants for Christ and to love others and serve them.
That logically cannot and was not how Church determined truth exclusively.
This discussion was so needed for many reasons. Please do more of them. And tell us where we could access the speakers from the seminary that was mentioned and referred to in this discussion.
Seminar not seminary.
Beloved, children suffering from (Leukemian) God minister to me in a revelation when I was praying concerning things about you, I saw blessing but spirit monitoring and with motive to destroy you. But as I speak to you now her time is up, you will sow a seed to motherless babies who is suffering from Leukemia (saviour motherless foundation) in Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith, as I join you in prayer My heavenly father will bless you as you sow a seed to these orphanages children today, you will testify to the glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him, Proverb (3: 27,21: 26: 22: 9 ), Deu 28: 1 '5 Contact the MD of the orphanage Foundation on WhatsApp No 2348137411949 Or Email: (saviourfoundation96@gmail.com)send your donation to them God bless you ....,,.,....,
That's when Paul said "all that I am I consider dung in the knowledge of Christ my Lord" Humility....
"Pride is hateful before God and man: and by both doth one commit iniquity... Why is earth and ashes proud?" (Sirach 10,7-9)
Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Humility
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Amen
I wonder if he'll have the humility to tell his past congregation that he was teaching them an apparently false gospel for years. A bit more is required of that than simply being humble in front of the 'Bible answers man" on CZcams.
@@mitchellc4 Jesus is called Emmanuel in the bible meaning “God is with us”
The Father and I are one
Jesus “who ever has seen me has seen the father”
Jesus was charge blasphemy because he claim to be God
Are you the the messiah the Son of the blessed one
I AM and you will see the son of man seated at the right hand of the power and coming with the clouds of heaven
@@marvinabella2435
Hi Marvin
Who is Jesus’s God??
Who is Jesus repeatedly referring to as “my God”?
Rev 3
12 He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
Who is Peter and Paul referring to as “the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”?
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Love this conversation. It is a genuine journey of men who are seeking Jesus. May the Lord bless you all.
It is a beautifull sincere meeting,and meaningfull clearification, of Truth, .in this troubled times, , Phil. 1; 15-18.
Francis ,There has always been controversy since the beginning about how to live out the gospel, and there will always be. Even Paul had to correct Peter. The problem is - is when our egos prevent us from listening and learning from each other and God, we get hard hearts. This separates us and prevents us from completing the great commission.
Amen
““‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’””
Matthew 15:8-9 ESV
Then don’t be one of those people.
Jesus and the Apostles followed ritual as Jews... washing their feet before entering the Temple... keeping days of fasting and the dietary restrictions. Keeping feasts and Holy Days (Passover, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles, Pentecost etc.).
They were accustomed to incense and chanting of the Psalms.
But who would call these things evil today?
Only those who are blind call what is Holy evil!
Wow
This was such a great conversation between some very influential leaders of millions of Christians. This deserves a lot of attention right now.
For those who are "outside" of the church, grace overflows from it and that those who like yourself were in communion in part doing much good I'm sure. The Church is a family, a reality, and not a set of beliefs or the Bible. It is a living body that was founded by Christ and continue today. So who speaks for the Church? The vicar of Christ. Where Peter is, there is the Church. I'm so enamoured by your honesty in your search Francis! You have my prayers!
Humility Humility.....Lord....shower ME with the outpouring of it.
Yes! We need to become NOTHING so God can become our EVERYTHING! we need to surrender daily and take up our cross and follow Him! Lay everything down at His feet! Would mean a lot if yall would check out my husbands sermons. He let's God move and speak through him. Its all about God! Not us! We are just vessels for His GLORY!!! God is so good! He helps me every day to fight stage 3 crps (wprst pain on national pain scale called the suicide disease) and helped me to overcome what doctors said I couldn't and now we have our own ministry on facebook and tiktok and God lead us to each other in His perfect timing on smule and now we have church on smule every Thursday on our group "overcome." We have church twice a week as well. I was bedridden for years and although I cant walk far and have to take a wheelchair, have to recover for a day to two to small things etc I was told my legs and feet would be amputated and I would die! I have not died,but I die daily to self!!! I live for God! Phillipinans 1:21 "to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Im an overcomer through Christ who strengthens me and whoever reads this know God is with you and will never forsake you! So important to get alone with God and read the Bible and know it for yourself so you can test the spirits and teachers to know who is real and who is false and have a real relationship with God. If anyone needs prayer please contact us on facebook or under a comment on a video of ours. God bless yall! We all need to be humble and have a servants heart. My husband kneels down when my feet are super red and swollen from the stage 3 crps and erythromelalgia (they burn on fire) and he kisses them to show me that he is here to serve me with love. He is here to serve God and serve me by loving and following God first and leading me with Christs love. We are here to serve God! Not the other way around . God doesn't exist to serve us as so many sadly think. We are not here for things of this world and wordly desires and self but here for the truth, for living for God, to be servants for Christ and to love others and serve them.
This is great. Keep up the great work 👍
My lord... It's so simple. Love God (Jesus) with all of your heart. And love your brother and sister.
The Pharasees believed that they were Leaders who determined the quality of other people’s relationship with God. They labeled Jesus a heretic.
I think if Jesus showed up in our day, the majority of these apologist would label Him a heretic. He would still be more at home with the despised than the priest, pastor, or rabbi. The religious establishment would put Him at the top of the Most Hated list.
In the Gospel of Luke, chapter 9. One of Jesus’ disciples tells Jesus that he witnessed someone ministering in the Name of Jesus who did not physically associate with them. “Should we forbid him”? They asked. Jesus said no. If they are not against us, they are for us.
This is an academic and practical gem!
Please consider my experience with the Orthodox Church. I was born and raised Syrian Orthodox. Baptized as an infant. Trained under a former chancellor for the metropolitan of NY when I was 19. I left seeking the priesthood to pursue music. When I was 27 I was brought under conviction of how I was conducting my life and started attending the Orthodox church once again. I came to the realization that church membership and cultural identity was secondary to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. There were several times in my life when I heard the invitation to ask Jesus for salvation. I realized that I never asked Jesus to save me - in spite of my infant baptism, communion and confessions over the years, those things could not save me. I got down on my knees in my apartment and asked Jesus to forgive me of my sins and be my Saviour. That event was a turning point in my life. That simple act of "calling upon the name of the Lord" Rom 10:13 brought a change that I could never achieve through the works of devotion / ascetics. God began a work in me and the Holy Spirit gave me power to desire living a pure life - it was no longer me trying to do these things of myself. I was now compelled by God. He gave me power that I never had. When I went to Orthodox mass, the veil had been removed from my eyes - the mural of Mary and Jesus was stark - for the first time I realized that Mary was bigger than Jesus in the mural. During mass there is a call and response where we would say "Most Holy Theotokos save us" - theotokos is Greek for "Mother of God". The Holy Spirit convicted me - Mary cannot save and needed a Saviour just like any other human. There's a veneration prayer also used by the Orthodox: "It is truly meet to bless thee o theotokos who art blessed and all blameless and the mother of our God, more honorable than the cherubim and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim, who without stain and barest God the Word and are truly theotokos we magnify thee." This is Mary worship and it is blasphemous. I realized that although I was raised in that tradition and had deep cultural identity with the Syrian Orthodox church, I could not in good conscience continue following that religion. Jesus is the only Saviour. No church saves you. Salvation is of the Lord - which is what Jesus' name means. Feel free to IM me if you wish to discuss any further.
I hear the point you are making. Are you saying that the Orthodox Church is wrong and has been wrong for the last 1600yrs until the Protestant churches were born 500yrs back? I am just trying to understand how you see this. If they are wrong then does that mean that they don't have succession going back to the apostles? If they do then would that not mean that they have the faith handed down from one bishop to the next and that if error crept in then the other bishops would have brought up the issue as we see even through the Ecumenical Councils? And what church do you attend? How do you determine that it is the right one keeping in mind that all Protestant churches are based upon an individual, his interpretation, and his preferred tradition? E.g Martin Luther, John Calvin. I am not asking this to say that you are wrong and I am right. I am asking because I would really love to know how you process all this. Thanks so much.
@@motebangh.motebang9398 ---I respect your reply to Morgan Edwards, but I understand exactly what he is saying. He is talking about what Jesus said to a religious teacher in John chapter 3 in the Bible. It is so true!
A clear explanation about this topic from Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick: Presumably, “save” should only be used regarding God Himself. But the Scripture itself doesn’t set that limit.
The Apostle Paul is of the opinion that he can save people and that others can do so, too, that they can even save themselves:
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. (Rom. 11:13-14)
For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife? (I Cor. 7:16)
…to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. (I Cor. 9:22)
Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. (I Tim. 4:16)
So while we wouldn’t say that all these people and things “save” us in the sense that God alone can save us, we certainly can affirm with the apostles cited here that we “save” one another, that prayer “saves,” and that baptism “saves.” That is, all these things contribute to our salvation which comes solely through Christ.
Given all that, and given that we are surrounded by “so great a cloud of witnesses” (Heb. 21:1), the saints who do indeed see and hear us, and especially given that we know they are praying for us (Rev. 5:8), it’s really pretty reasonable to say that the Virgin Mother of our Lord can “save” us.
This is so edifying, I feel the Lord conducting this meeting, God bless your ministry, sir.
Beloved, children suffering from (Leukemian) God minister to me in a revelation when I was praying concerning things about you, I saw blessing but spirit monitoring and with motive to destroy you. But as I speak to you now her time is up, you will sow a seed to motherless babies who is suffering from Leukemia (saviour motherless foundation) in Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith, as I join you in prayer My heavenly father will bless you as you sow a seed to these orphanages children today, you will testify to the glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him, Proverb (3: 27,21: 26: 22: 9 ), Deu 28: 1 '5 Contact the MD of the orphanage Foundation on WhatsApp No 2348137411949 Or Email: (saviourfoundation96@gmail.com)send your donation to them God bless you ....,,.,....,
I absolutely loved this video. Unity of God's church would take place if more leaders exhibited the hunger and humility shown here. Thank you so very much for doing this video and sharing it. God Bless!!!
God bless you men of God, thank you Hank so much for how you explain the word of God
Beloved, children suffering from (Leukemian) God minister to me in a revelation when I was praying concerning things about you, I saw blessing but spirit monitoring and with motive to destroy you. But as I speak to you now her time is up, you will sow a seed to motherless babies who is suffering from Leukemia (saviour motherless foundation) in Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith, as I join you in prayer My heavenly father will bless you as you sow a seed to these orphanages children today, you will testify to the glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him, Proverb (3: 27,21: 26: 22: 9 ), Deu 28: 1 '5 Contact the MD of the orphanage Foundation on WhatsApp No 2348137411949 Or Email: (saviourfoundation96@gmail.com)send your donation to them God bless you ....,,.,....,
30+ Years My Christian Catholic Christ Center Faith Continues to Grow *Thank You Hank H.*
*Thank You Francis Chan*
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Francis, thank you for your vulnerability, your passion for truth, and your love for our Savior Jesus Christ. This was such a rich conversation and so important for the American church body part.
We love Francis Chan as well! Such an annointed pastor who loves the Lord and speaks the truth! Not what itching ears want to hear!
We need to become NOTHING so God can become our EVERYTHING! we need to surrender daily and take up our cross and follow Him! Lay everything down at His feet! Would mean a lot if yall would check out my husbands sermons. He let's God move and speak through him. Its all about God! Not us! We are just vessels for His GLORY!!! God is so good! He helps me every day to fight stage 3 crps (wprst pain on national pain scale called the suicide disease) and helped me to overcome what doctors said I couldn't and now we have our own ministry on facebook, smule whwre we met and at church and God lead us to each other in His perfect timing. I was bedridden for years and although I cant walk far and have to take a wheelchair, have to recover for a day to two to small things etc I was told my legs and feet would be amputated and I would die! I have not died,but I die daily to self!!! I live for God! Phillipinans 1:21 "to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Im an overcomer through Christ who strengthens me and whoever reads this know God is with you and will never forsake you! So important to get alone with God and read the Bible and know it for yourself so you can test the spirits and teachers to know who is real and who is false and have a real relationship with God. If anyone needs prayer please contact us on facebook @jaminjohannashow or under a comment on a video of ours on our CZcams page. It would mean so much if you could subscribe to us as we just want to spread the truth abd are just getting started on here and soon videos made just for youtube but am trying to learn how to use my camera, edit videos, etc. God bless yall! We all need to be humble and have a servants heart. My husband kneels down when my feet are super red and swollen from the stage 3 crps and erythromelalgia (they burn on fire) and he kisses them to show me that he is here to serve me with love. He is here to serve God and serve me by loving and following God first and leading me with Christs love. We are here to serve God! Not the other way around . God doesn't exist to serve us as so many sadly think. We are not here for things of this world and wordly desires and self but here for the truth, for living for God, to be servants for Christ and to love others and serve them. We are to be set apart from the world. Francis Chan is one of the very few pastors who is humbly seeking God and surrenders to Him before every sermon, left the country and his megachurch to do God's will and not let worldy desires like money take over and fame, and his sermons are Spirit lead! He is a man of God and gives God the glory! He isnt here to give us a self help lecture and tell us how to be better and get rich and how to live our best life on earth but how to live for eternity! Our life is buf a vapor!
What a great conversation!
Hank ! I love you Brother ! God Bless you !
Beautiful conversation. Lifting the veil. Seeing the matrix. God bless the humble peacemakers.
❤️
@@jaminjohannashow You are shining your light like a city on a hill. God bless you and your husband and your ministry and may His will be done in your life for the glory of God in suffering and in healing.
Thank you for this. I think that if you are seeking the Lord with all your heart and fully humble yourself to the Lord, you will not take sound bites to prove your point. You will consistently seek truth with the Holy Spirit being your teacher with your point of view in the back seat and the Holy Spirit in the front seat showing you His Truth. Corinthians, 4; 5.
KP’s point about humility and the fear of God and nothing else spoke to my heart.
Lord help me, and then the rest. Maranatha.
Does it not bother anyone in this thread that Hank H. calls his detractors trailer trash, not once but twice as he is claiming humility?
you will know them by their fruits. and especially when they are throwing that fruit at someone else.
I haven't heard that yet, I'm half way through, and am having a really hard time listening all the way through. (I live in a mobile home that GOD freely gave my husband and I when we were a young married couple, to minister to the neighborhood, so I am personally shocked he would say such a thing).
10:10
When Francis asks that question, does anyone else hear a voice in the backround? Something about disturb...
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
yes, i think maybe someone on set because i also hear other words that are not clear.
Hank-- I’m a life time Catholic that for years listened to you on the Tulsa Bott Radio Network. I always listen to you thinking to myself .... this guy seems like he’s pretty grounded in his understanding of Christianity for a Protestant.
After hearing you now, I hear the same person but with a better understanding of Church history and the traditions of the Church for the first 1500 years of Christianity.
You sound a lot like a Catholic apologist 😜😜
I know your problems with the Catholic Church and why you are Orthodox.... but Orthodoxy and Catholicism are very close.
I can’t imagine the personal affects this clearer and more full understanding of the Church on your part cost you here on earth. Being removed from the huge Bott Radio Network cost you dearly; but your fuller understanding of Christ has earned you points in heaven. Very few people would have had the guts to follow their conscience and lost so many radio stations. Real class.
This discussion truly brings me to tears. I have realized that the division so to say in the church based of theological biases hurts young people. The young are truly confused. And left second guessing their work with Christ.....
The word should be our foundation. I believe as well that through the Word of God we need to have faith that the way we interpret the word of God is in accordance with His will.
" NOT THE ..ABSENCE OF TRUTH..THAT DAMNS"..." BUT...THE DESPISING OF TRUTH..THAT DAMS"... LOVE IT.!.. THANKYOU BRO. HANK
The Bible says “my people perish for lack of knowledge”
@@ellarivera5590 Keep reading the verse. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.”
Hosea 4:6 ESV
It’s because of the rejection of knowledge.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
This is disgraceful
There has been countless amounts of time where I have been alone with the truth. Now in my own church I am the only one who teaches the things I do. But I will repent in humility if I am wrong. I don't see any way that I am. I use logic and let the Spirit of God guide me.
I've been humbled. Thank you for this video.
Thank you, dear Dr. Hanegraff! God help you
Beloved, children suffering from (Leukemian) God minister to me in a revelation when I was praying concerning things about you, I saw blessing but spirit monitoring and with motive to destroy you. But as I speak to you now her time is up, you will sow a seed to motherless babies who is suffering from Leukemia (saviour motherless foundation) in Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith, as I join you in prayer My heavenly father will bless you as you sow a seed to these orphanages children today, you will testify to the glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him, Proverb (3: 27,21: 26: 22: 9 ), Deu 28: 1 '5 Contact the MD of the orphanage Foundation on WhatsApp No 2348137411949 Or Email: (saviourfoundation96@gmail.com)send your donation to them God bless you ....,,.,....,
We should all be working towards the goal of unity. Jesus prayed for unity because he knew we would face this struggle.
@@mixael321 if it is the truth taught by the earliest church, then so be it.
Yes yet even John spoke of not associating with some people who had faulty views in his letters.
@@DrWalker2001 but it’s going against the Bible to agree with people who say Faith +works will get you to salvation. That hinders people from getting to God if that’s what they’re taught.
Works is what the pharasies cared about. Jesus cared only about the heart.
There is no chance for unity if NAR heresy is involved IMHO.
@@ianvangesen6541 You take is simplistic and selective. Are you a 5 solas guy?
Around 40 minutes Yohan shared a powerful testimony.
What a wonderful sharing session. yes! HUMILITY!
The definition of Biblical Humility is Agreeing with God’s Word... especially the Words of Jesus.
"Come Lord Jesus with healing hands that bind us together in unity." This is a song I remember singing as a young adult.
I remember when Francis Chan made waves when he began discussing the historical significance of the Eucharist in Christianity. And not just the Eucharist as a symbolic and ultimately optional practice, but the literal Body and Blood of Christ that was deemed entirely essential for the practicing Christian.
Thank you for this interesting discussion.
@Joshua M. Wherley
Transubstantiation is blasphemy against Christ!!
@@jamestomas3783 Read John 6.
@@pauljasmine353 exegete it and post it , then I will show your errors.
@@jamestomas3783 No exegeting here. It took a long time for me to fully understand, except and embrace the Holy Eucharist. It was a process of faith, prayer and grace. Close to 20 years. So I'm not going to debate over the scriptural interpretation of John 6 or for that matter Matthew 26:26-28. It is extremely difficult for most of those not brought up Catholic or Orthodox to come to the realization and except that the bread becomes the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Christ. Francis Chan's route is by way of the early Church. He came to understand that from the time of Christ to the 1500's all Christians believed the Bread was the real presents of Christ. I pointed to John 6 just so someone, like yourself, might start on the path that Francis an I took.
@@pauljasmine353 You are sacrificing Jesus over and over again when you do this. I believe in Sola Scriptura, and Jesus said he died once and once and for all, and does not become dead flesh every week. This is utter nonsense and heretical. You don't know scripture and you are coming against scripture. Its very plain.
Francis Chan is a heretic and he may be already apostate, don't know about the latter.
Beautiful discussion!
Boy do I relate with a lot of what’s discussed here, particularly the humility part. It began with humbly admitting that I knew nothing about the Orthodox Church (when I had negative views and assumptions). I was raised Assembly of God, now I’m Anglican, but orthodoxy isn’t off the table for me at all.
Hank’s answer at 25:00 is so good
I agree with the idea Francis expressed that it's good to be able to identify things that the church has held for all these years like on sexuality, etc. Investigating the history of these doctrines is so very important. But it bothers me immensely that so many people don't have any trouble with doctrines that only came about in the 13th century, or the 10th, or the 4th, or the 2nd. Why is the 16th century the cut off? I understand that was an important date for the Reformation, but if you can trace a certain doctrine back to the time of Augustine for instance, but no further, then I have some serious problems with that as a fundamental teaching of Christianity, especially if it conflicts with previous writers and the Scripture itself.
Great conversation!
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2:12
Matthew 25:33
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Why does partaking of the real presence require joining Eastern Orthodoxy? Also, what points of disagreements about the 8 doctrinal essentials do Protestants actually have with the East? Also again, how is it arrogant to do exegetical and hermeneutical work on your own? I truly don’t understand and I’ve never heard a solid answer that doesn’t just appeal to antiquity
I agree. No one has a monopoly on the Lord's Supper and how it is experienced. Paul's main concern in 1 Cor.17- 34 was the disregard and lack of reverence of partaking in remembrance of his death. And I see no necessary experience prescribed anywhere. As a matter of fact it's all about him because of what he did for us. Praise be to him!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Because the sacraments outside of the Church have no grace.
Also, because you do not care for antiquity you will fall into error and stand in arrogance because you truly believe that the scriptures can be better interpreted by yourself rather than Spirit-filled holy men. Also, unless you receive the sacrament of chrismation (which the bible describes) then you have no guarantee of having the Holy Spirit in you.
The scriptures did not just pop out of the sky, they had to be agreed upon and accepted by the icon-venerating, sacramental, liturgical Church that existed centuries ago unlike "Pastor Jim's Bible Church" which started existing around the late 1900's and early 2000's.
Seriously, you cannot claim to know the faith if you ignore outright it's history.
I was a protestant, brother. A protestant who was sick and tired of the constant innovation, irreverence and profound confusion and lack of certain truth within protestantism. Orthodoxy is a bedrock and I've found my home in it because it is the TRUE CHURCH.
You also have a major disagreement with the doctrine of the Church, brother.
You as many other protestants likely believe in the doctrine of the "invisible church" which was invented after the reformation. No one believed that people could form different sects and groups that were entirely different and unassociated from one another and yet still be in "the church" prior to the reformation. That's blatant heresy and foreign to church history.
@@Ioannikios174 First, you presume to know a lot about my beliefs without knowing me. I’ve been philosophically, theologically, exegetically, and historically trained at a masters level. I’ve studied the patriarchs, eastern and western church history and know both Greek and Hebrew. It is not arrogance to say I know how to interpret while also using historical, critical analysis of the texts. I don’t deny history or the creeds, but they are not the end all of the faith.
Secondly, just as the church fathers and all Christians, I too am Holy Spirit filled because God is not a respecter of persons. The prophets, apostles, early church fathers are no different than any other follower of Christ. The church is a universal entity that goes beyond certain distinctions. What is more arrogant and Pharisaical than saying you have the one true church? And if you do, why are you calling me “brother” if I am outside of fellowship of your sect?
Your own microcosm of Protestant experience is not monolithic to the whole. You probably have a hard time with Protestant fundamentalism, not realizing that you are embracing an eastern one.
This is a good discussion. What I would add to Hank's answer on the Eucharist is that I believe reformers like Zwingli were reacting to the new doctrines being pushed by the Roman Catholic church regarding transubstantiation, adoration of the Eucharist, and withholding the cup from the laity. These all really developed out of the 13th century from individual doctors and saints like Thomas Aquinas and Francis of Assisi, yet over time they were enforced on the church under pain of death with men like John Huss being executed in 1415. The council of Constance that condemned Huss also restricted priests from giving the Eucharist in both species under pain of excommunication and threat of the civil authorities. So these guys are definitely on the right track to put away pride and look for humility, and I think the middle path of considering the real presence as a mystery is much more advisable than to try to define it as the Romans do or deny it as many protestants and evangelicals.
Great discussion!
Thanks to hank and johan, amazing to see Francis Chan finally having his eyes open up, his humility is so Christ like truly blessed. He gets that the sola scriptura method isn't biblical, and will not lead you to the real interpretation of text. What the orthodox churched passed down to the church father's and what the body always knew how to interpret the text from the beggining. his humility has opened his eyes up beautiful to see. And not trying improve to anyone else my interpretation is better than yours we stick to what Christ taught what apostles preached and what the fathers kept
Lord Jesus Christ son of god have mercy on us most holy theotokos save us.
What do you think sola scriptura is?
You are basically saying that "the church " is objective right , and supersedes scripture?
You will just ignore the disaster caused by "the church"
Killing 50 million confessed Christians, just cause they wouldnt fall for the trap of a corrupt church "bribing their way into heaven"?
Sola scripture is the only way to make sure the madness caused by the catholic church wont happen again
Sola scriptura says that only the Bible is infallible, only the Bible is the word of God, how could sola scriptura be unbiblical???? That makes no sense at all no way to say that
@@carnation63 Jesus is the word of God and the Bible is the word of God. Different meanings. To deny the Bible is the word of God is heresy my friend and you don’t understand the Bible or it’s claims.
@@carnation63 and before you snap back with some response get alone and read your Bible. Repent of what you said and know that the Bible is the word of God, and Jesus is the Word of God, different meanings, when we say that.
I wonder why Jesus responded "Love" when asked about the greatest commandment (MT 22:34-36)… why didn't He say "Humility?"
Humility comes from love. Love isn't an isolated thing. It is a tree that bares fruits like humility. Love and humility are inexorably linked
Humility is a characteristic. Love is an action.
@@GabrielFlies humility can be fostered through our own actions. Its not as if we either a priori have humility or not. Humility is a characteristic that grows from love.
@@GabrielFlies God is love, so it can’t be just action it’s much more
Is there a video or playlist that has this entire conversation? This is so enlightening!
Here are the videos we have w/ Francis Chan and K.P. Yohannan (Moran Mor Athanasius Yohan)
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czcams.com/video/8Au66qVArRE/video.html
czcams.com/video/PDm251gA6Lw/video.html
czcams.com/video/b35hdjFD95g/video.html
czcams.com/video/eifyYugUXAU/video.html
BTW here is a playlist of all the Hank Unplugged interviews
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This was such a good talk. Thank you for this.
Francis said something true, when he said people will watch this video and go back to their spiritual leaders and ask, how is so and so wrong?
Which is what they should do, only with this one thing changed:
After watching this video, people should go back to their spiritual leader (singular) which is Pastor Jesus and ask him what's wrong with this video as well as what's wrong with what their "spiritual leaders" teach them.
Five minutes into the video Francis is like “what did I ask… ?“
I see his point. Francis seems to be honestly searching and I thank Almighty God for his desire to pursue unity in the Body of Christ. As our Lord prayed, “I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one. I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity.
@@josephdas7482 I appreciate that about him too. But what's unfortunate is that we need to remember there will be apostacy, and a lot of professing christians aren't. No sense trying to remain united with them.
Maybe St. Paul’s words are applicable, “.. . I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.”
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Stop trolling every post with your reiterated heretical dogma.
Excellent discussion!
With regard to discerning heresies in accordance with Christ's teachings, I would think the simple answer is to recognize that we are battling against the spirits and principles that are working in people and be clear about addressing inaccurate doctrine in a way that avoids ad hominem attacks and is restorative in intent and effect.
Humility with regard to self does not negate boldness in proclaiming base truth.
Francis Chan is still searching!! 🙏🏻
Francis I hope does not go from searching to wandering away!! These guys are full of arrogant hot air and pose themselves as humble servants when they actually have wandered from THE WORD OF GOD and are lost in the church ecclesiastical hierarchy and often times false doctrine.
Beaumont Squires absolutely!!
@@beaumontsquires4099 ----I see your concern, but I don't think Chan is wandering away. I believe he wants to find out why there is such a separation between the "Orthodox church" and the evangelical church(es). He's too grounded in the Word of God (in my humble opinion) and trusts more in the Word than in "church teaching"
Your comment is arrogant and full of hot air.
He is asking genuine questions from a worldview he was raised in. I am also a protestant trying to understand where Orthodoxy comes from theologically. I see a lot of people giving him grief for his viewpoint and I just have to ask, have you ever had questions? Have you ever had a personal revelation that was going to change your life? He is working out these ideas, these revelations by asking questions and he wants to get to the truth because he is so serious about following God truthfully as we all should be. I believe all these men are seeking truth and what it means to follow Christ the way we should be. It's just unfortunate that instead of sitting down and talking about things like these men are we decide to label them as something and call them names. You are sewing even more division into the church and indeed making others believe their ideas about church history by affirming it through hostility. The only way we will begin to restore the church into one body is to listen to each other and commit to fruitful dialog. If you cannot even be a genuine listener to someone you disagree with, then how can you ever expect others to listen to you and most importantly begin to truly come together as one church?
"Test all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5,21)
No they haven't ever had questions because they believe that to question is to doubt and to doubt is to fall away.
What an authentic withnessing!
Love you brother Francis. You have had a hard time lately as people have cyber bashed you as becoming catholic. I would like to briefly give you my experience. I was saved in my lounge room while following a guru and all that went with that. All I know is that l knew G_d is real and l wanted to be with Him. Church got so complicated with twisted theology and doctrine of men l wanted to give up but like Peter when challenged said but where can l go ? I have moved to Messianic Church and the walk The Master has me on now has become so enriched by truth and depth, I am so blessed and this message about taking communion everyday out of wanting to abide in Him daily out of Love and need rather than religiosity simply electrified me. I cried for 1/2 an hour out of relief and joy and His presence was so here.
Father Hashem and Master Yeshua bless you richly brother, I love you man - David
Almost 30 years ago, I asked Hank on his show: "If God is our Father, who is our mother?" He didn't give a very satisfactory answer then, but I'm glad to see that he has been heading in my direction nevertheless. I am a traditional Roman Catholic. Peace to my Othodox brothers! Loving Francis' openness recently! (I would recommend checking out The Journey Home here on CZcams.)
The mother of our Lord is our mother / and our Queen. The Queen is not the Kings wife but the Kings Mother. Ave Maria.
Joe Gar did you even read my comment ? Where did I say worship Mary? Oh wait I didn’t.
Joe Gar if Christ is your king then yes His Mother is your Queen whether you like it or not
Are you claiming Mary had part to play in our creation? I understand the Father to be God, our creator. Mary had naught to do with it.
Happy35 no I did not say anything about Mary having to do with our creation
@ 30:49 I completely agree with Hank that teaching against confessing our sin to the Lord is false and even evil but it is evil not because of what the church fathers taught about confession. It is evil because it is to call God and His Word into question. All we have to do is to go to I John 1:8-9 "If we will confess our sin He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I do not need to go to the church fathers, I and all of us need to go to the scripture. Again, the only help a church father or any Bible teacher can offer us is in helping us rightly divide the Word of truth.
You need the church fathers because you need the church - the Catholic Church.
@@Lerian_V I need scripture because IT is God breathed. The church fathers are only helpful in as much as they rightly represent the truths of scripture. Origen is of little help to all because He took God's word and told us to make an allegory of it yet Jesus quotes from the OT again and again as if it should be taken non-allegorically. That is just one example among many of why I take scripture as the guide and use it to check what any man teaches about it.
@@pastormarkm You didn't get my point. The church comes before the church fathers. The church fathers are fallible humans, the church is infallible because it is the pillar and foundation of truth. You can do without the church fathers - Jesus didn't meet them. You can't do without the church, the Body of Christ, the arbiter of God's truth. The church is where scripture and tradition come alive. Come home.
@@Lerian_V You're still not getting it . You're filtering through Catholicism
@@Lerian_Vnot the catholic church, that is not home, following Jesus is home. Not filtered through Catholicism
The essentials of the Faith are defined in the Nicene Creed.
THE TRUTH & THE HOLY SPIRIT ALWAYS DIVIDES!
Can the structure of a church become an idol ?
Yes. Even the second Jewish temple became an abomination on account of being desecrated by sinful people - twice! See this article www.equip.org/article/daniel-prophesy-seven-year-great-tribulation/
Humility that blinds anyone from clear biblical teaching, is not true humility. Biblical truth is what brings us to true humility before God (and not our human concepts of it). These individuals are treating humility as a sense of lowliness we must seek as opposed to a mind that is humbled and transformed by the truth of scripture alone.
Saved byGraceAlone
Humility by definition is a lowly view of ones own importance. Are you implying that we do, or do not need to seek a level of lowliness before God and man? When Jesus asked us to wrap humility around our waist, what exactly did he mean then?
Just an honest question.
@@jordanhayes791 Hi Jordan, I don't mean to discard the general meaning that humility is a sense of lowliness. However, it's important to understand that true spiritual humility is brought upon us through the knowledge of what scripture reveals about God and our spiritual bankruptcy, which is being poor in spirit Matthew 5:3. A human attempt to be humble can only be measured by a human sense, standard, or feeling of lowliness. That is relative and limited to man's fallible concepts, and not based on the perfect word of God. We cannot make ourselves truly lowly by just trying, we need the Holy Spirit using His inspired word to be able to recognize our spiritual condition before a holy and merciful God. So true humility is an attitude we can put on but it is only the result of God's work in us to do so, for His good pleasure - Philippians 2:12-13. We can humble ourselves, but only because it is God who works in true believers, to will and obey what He works in us. We cannot work out (humility or any other work) without Him first working it in us). True humility is a response to the One who can cause it. But it will not be caused in us apart from scripture.
In the context of this CRI episode, determining what is true or not cannot be determined by trying to be humble, but by being humble before the inspired word of God to teach us exactly what He wants us to know. And His word is not subject to human "lowly" opinions as they may want to believe.
We come to a true knowledge of God, only through Christ, the Lord - as He is revealed in His word.
@@savedbygracealone8300 thank you so much for your answer! 🙏🏻
I find myself questioning my own sense of humility all the time. I can see why it’s so important to be surrounded by like minded believers and to use scripture as a reference to true biblical humility. Although, it’s been difficult to find a community that bears the fruit of a biblical humility.. I have faith God will guide me to a good church home.
You are making a huge assumption, about clear biblical teaching. The reason why these 3 men are having this conversation is because anyone can come up with their own clear biblical teaching, according to their own intellect and their own tradition (sola scriptura is another more recent tradition). It takes humility to acknowledge that a current theology is very far from what the church has believed from the beginning
@@danielemolteni Hi Daniele, if I may ask, how do you know I'm making "a huge assumption" about clear biblical teaching? What are you basing this statement on?
This was fantastic
Where is the full interview?
You can access the full video series at the links below...
www.equip.org/unplugged/history-mystery-and-the-eucharist-with-francis-chan-and-metropolitian-yohan-k-p-yohannan/
www.equip.org/unplugged/the-key-to-christian-unity-is-humility-with-francis-chan-and-metropolitan-yohan/
www.equip.org/unplugged/heretics-what-divides-christians-with-francis-chan-hank-hanegraaff-and-metropolitan-yohan/
www.equip.org/unplugged/holy-tradition-with-hank-hanegraaff-francis-chan-and-metropolitan-yohan/
Interesting conversation! I come from a devout protestant family and I loved the Reformed faith.. but I became Orthodox 4 years ago. And I’m so grateful that Christ lead me this way. It’s beautiful to see that Francis is humble and asking questions. May God’s will be done, whether that is for Francis to become Orthodox or not, He knows what is best for him!
Btw, does anyone know how to contact Francis Chan? I can’t find any contact details on his website.
@Dustin Neely you’re right, I should have put it differently..
yes, God wants it, and I hope Francis will want it too!
I do not think that Chan got many answers tonight. He inquired after the why and received a lot of what. This does not surprise me, for all three men are in their own boat. Three men, three churches.
Excellent could not say more.
That implies division and to embrace the notion of division from these 3 gentleman especially Francis Chan scares me to the inner core....
Biblical truth is in very short supply today, and that truth is being sacrificed on the alter of unity at any cost. Narrow is the way is more relevant now than ever.
Yeah buddy. Chans right, the division of the church makes the enemys day. @ the same time, some are clearly wrong & should repent but can't cause of arrogance/loosing face & authority.
@@knowone11111 I totally agree. Tony Evans, John Piper, David Platt, Andy Stanley, and so many other pastors are trying to undermine the authority of God's word. Christians knew this compromising was coming, but they never dreamed it would be happening in their lifetimes.
Saw Francis at World Mandate at Antioch Community Church and he was awesome, I hope he becomes Orthodox
I love this. Not that I care if some believe the bread becomes the body of Christ but because I see intelligent and well studied Christian leaders asking, "Is this a primary or secondary issue?" When we divide and fight over secondary issues instead of unify in love for the sake of a lost world then evil wins.
@@mixael321 Hi Michael, I know the history. The church I met the Lord in split over the issue of putting carpet or hard wood floor down in the new big multipurpose room. The believers of my denomination are well practiced at all out war over issues that do not really affect either salvation or sanctification. I believe Satan is the author behind so many false dichotomies that have splintered the body of Christ. It saddens me that this was the battle it was in 1054.
@@mixael321 I love this Michael. Many years ago a fellow wrote a book called, "The Frog in the Kettle" about the slow transition of Christianity into a secularized "Churchianity." People yelled at him and said there is no way. Today, it is a sad reality. Culture changes but the fundamentals of what Christ is asking us to do and be to each other does not.
The first aspect of answering that question is to first biblically define what a Christian is.
Which question do you wish to answer and who’s interpretation wins to define a Christian according to the Holy Scriptures?
Lord please bring revival and unity in the body!
@@micheleh5269 Amen, unity in the body, indeed. For it is written, "... the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again, the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.”
A follower of Jesus Christ. Reborn by faith and grace, no works involved. 🙏✌️
@@jacobjackson7013 That's one of my favorite one-liners. Indeed, no one saves themselves, but no works involved at all, are you sure? Keep reading, there may be a bit more to think about. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Sunday service vs. remember the Sabbath is a sign.
Read Moses on Sabbath.
Look at the moon - time of appointed feasts of Yahweh.
If you can’t get the first 7 days right. How will we all walk together unless we agree.
Two sticks become ONE in His hand!
Do you see a gathering of believers who share everything they own in common for all their needs? Scandalous to claim something, but not truly be it... what a deception we now live in!
Redemption, we were lost, now we are found. Let’s go home together, one new man!
Communion is found under the authority of the Word.
Soon & very soon. We will loose our labels that divide & find the Name of our inheritance in which we unite in the nation Israel.
Please gentlemen help me,are you saying that there is something that we today are missing from reading the new testament which was written by the apostles or at least those who observed them,that was never carried in their writings but was carried over through church tradition?
The matter of the Scripture being the codification of the beliefs of the early Christian Church is discussed in the following podcast > www.equip.org/unplugged/sola-scriptura-with-nathan-jacobs/
Was this filmed in 2004 or something? Probably later since he wrote “The Apocalypse Code”. There were over 7 billion people after 2009.