M4 iPad Pro Needs to Move on from iPad OS
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Bravo! You've hit the nail on the head with the biggest problem of the iPad (Pro), and it's not the display, the M1 or M4 chip, USB-C, or camera, but the lack of software for this device. Why not tell the truth: there is no software for the iPad Pro! It's a great pity that Apple tried to implement iPhone OS instead of Mac OS! Would there have been problems if Apple had allowed Mac OS on the iPad Pro? Yes. But there are problems now. Trying to work all day on a laptop (iPad Pro) with iPhone software is a much worse option than working with Mac OS. For 5 years they have tried to convert iPhone Software into Mac OS instead of the other way around. If they don't approve Mac OS now, the iPad Pro (including Magic Keyboard and pencil) will fail. No one will pay EUR 3,000 when for EUR 2,000 one can buy a MacBook Air with an M3, 24 GB RAM, and a 1 TB hard disk (I'm writing this on it). And with an iPhone Pro Max, I can do the same things I do with an iPad.
Exactly! I could not have said it better myself! Pinned
I would like to see something where the iPad boots macOS when connected to a keyboard, but can still switch to the iPadOS (more touch friendly) when being used as a tablet
Now we're talking! Yea I don't think Apple would do that though as iOS and MacOS are getting so close to each other anyway.
@@grantedgeekiPad OS is training people for Apple vision pro 10 years from now when vision pro gets cheaper and lighter
@@grantedgeek that’s a fair point. Excited to see what Apple does with these new iPad pros!
that would be fucking amazing, go find a job in there
Well. Soon enough you'll see, Apple will dodge the EU "Gatekeeper" verdict by a new line to replace iPad Air in Q4 this year, and M4 being barely a technological advancement on M3 but a rebrand instead. These chipsets will have embedded business partner code, that is a trade secret that EU can't pry into, the AI node.
Ai node can be accessed by software like Nvidia Omniverse API's but Apple reserves the right to complicate this access at their backend. Its uses are things like streaming Nintendo Switch 2 video feed as a raw SD signal, onto the Apple device where it then renders the Super Sampled video locally, for seamless use on platforms like Digital Twin on the Apple Vision Pro environment. This will feature on many monitored devices in Q4 in an attempt to replace HDMI altogether, similar to Sony-Phillips optical disc revolution of the industry that N64 dropped out of, seeing it as a fad.
They'll announce this Apple side of it on Tuesday, with Apple Pencil 3 being compatible with Switch, alongside the release of compatibility features for Endless Ocean and newly RELEASED Wind Waker remake. This will probably come packaged with budget grade Apple Pencil 3, but mostly as standalone WW branded ones for the digital game. A new Nintendo Art Academy like Tilt Brush compatible with Apple Vision Pro will be announced, alongside its character creation mode that functions like a limited VRChat. Visually it resembles Switch Sports and features Toon Link or a similar established character, from a lesser known nintendo IP like Earthbound or Kid Icarus.
Or not.
That’s a great idea. Can’t wait to use pro tools on my iPad.
Thank You, Touch Bar was awesome!! ❤
I absolutely hated having no escape key and having to look at my keyboard all the time. I would have preferred a row starting w/ a dedicated escape key and some programmable keys that apps can reconfigure in any way they like, including the symbol/image being displayed on top.
exactly what i think for years, excellent video 👏🏽
Many thanks 🙏
Also your link for the iPad case just goes to a search for tablet keyboard cases.
Totally agree with you!
I've had an iPad since the original release in 2010. I'm currently using a 2017 pro with a dying battery, so I'm anxious to get a new one. It's great at most of the things I use it for. The gen 1 pencil was a hassle, and I'm looking forward to a new pencil. A re-positioned front camera would be nice too. What I really want out of an iPad that I can't do today is the ability to write and run Python or R code locally, and to sync files with git, or with my NAS. If I could do those two things, I'd probably get a 13in pro. Without that, an 11in air is more than enough. So we'll see next week...
Yeah that would definitely be worth the upgrade! M4 would pack a punch but not much of a difference without software changes.
It would be Cool if Mac OS could be turned on in settings
I have up in iPad and went got a TAB S9+
Killing the game as always buddy ❤
Can you use two external monitors with an iPad. Do you know the answer to the question?
What changes does the Mac need to be "touch compatible", I have been using a Wacom tablet instead of a mouse on my Mac for years, wouldn’t that be very similar to how we use a Apple Pencil on the iPad? I don’t have an iPad Pro for work, so I don’t know if that is comparable, just a thought.
Same here, and the Wacom pen has no issues in macOS UI. Just might have a few issues with your pinkies on small elements, but if you use a trackpad or pen I think it would be fine.
Even the A17 pro..A18 pro.. are getting in a performance territory that could easily run macosx aplications
That's facts! I mean they out power a lot of the older macbook models that ran older versions of iOS anyway
Yes! Agreed
2:24 you mean the iPhone brought over from its big brother the dock.
I’m sure Apple has a patent where once the Magic Keyboard is attached it could run macOS. Apple really need to get this done fast, they are really loosing touch with the people who use it and buy it.
Agreed. This device needs to be at least able to toggle from iPadOS to some modified version of MacOS. I’ve always said the iPad Pro is the same internals as MacBook Air.
it doesn't have to move on from iPadOS, it just should have to many features and optimizations that can take advantages with the higher end chips which is basically (M1 = A14X, M2 = A15X). Dual booting to macOS could be one good idea. Other Android Tablet software on higher end ironically have more features than iPadOS (iOS in genernal) 😂
Yes, I purchased the 12.9 inch M1 iPad Pro with 2 TB of storage hoping it would become so much more with a MAC OS like operating system. The best Apple came up with is Stage Manager. While that is an improvement, I still want more if the MAC Air like operation. I paid more for my iPad Pro than a MAC Air, why shouldn’t I have MAC Air like capability. Maybe even dual boot capability…
I like the idea for the iPad but not the iPhone. That’s just not how I want to use my phone but iOS needs a big overhaul. I’ll give you that.
Dual boot/hot switching between MacOS and iPad OS would get me to buy an iPad Pro. Until then, my 2018 iPad Pro works great and I gain very little with an upgrade. On paper the upgrades look great, but entirely held back by software.
Apple needs help getting apps manually into the app store. The more programmers Apple can get, the sooner Apple can push Mac OS into iPad.
But people have to learn to code with Apple and their coding softwares and open source in order for their apps to work both on NTSC and PAL and to get M series chips to work on iPhones, too.
They need to push for prices to be lower and for more M series chips to be manufactured so that they can push more M chips into older hardware.
While I pretty much agree w/ you, what I personally want as a minimum requirement for purchasing a new iPad Pro ever again are two things: 1) a better files app and 2) a terminal app. The latter also requires a keyboard w/ an escape key and a more open and accessible file system. But, admittedly, I am in a tiny minority. I also use a shell command-line on macOS for virtually all file manipulation and also even for opening videos PDFs etc. That probably makes me part of about .1 % of all macOS users.
one os for iphone and ipad and MacBook
Apple os
A pro would like to run his favourite industry standard apps with scripts and plugins, bespoke middleware etc... The list goes on. Smaller devices should keep the simple iOS consumer like UI/UX. But for larger devices, macOS, yes please. It's the very reason I use my 14" MacBook Pro more with a pen tablet than my iPad Pro. Pro is so much more than a watered down Logic Pro & final cut...
Hanging on to older device compatibility is the exact reason for at least 90% of Windows problems. Can't support the whole world and do it perfectly. Cut something loose and let it float away. Code the OS for the Now and the Future.
I can easily see a future where iPhone and iPad are running iOS while iPad Air, Pro and Macs run Mac OS touch optimized. The GUI of the last few version of Mac OS have been getting closer to iOS in terms of ease of use anyway.
Yes please, Mac OS for the pro iPads. That would my sellingpoint for purchasing a new iPad.
One the same note, please keep the oversized iPhone entry level iPads with iOS. Because there area lot of people, wo only need that, and everything else would be to complicated for them.
Exactly!
I wouldn't mind a single OS that just acts differently depending on the device being used or the way you use it, so really a unified single OS that pulls all apps and software would be amazing but Apple wants you to buy an iPhone, iPad, MacBook, and a Mac Mini or iMac at home. Unified OS would allow you to use your iPad as a laptop, a tablet and a full desktop connected to an external monitor. Considering how storage and mobile chips are moving, it's not impossible to think of a day when your only device is an iPhone you connect to other screens. (if you had a unified OS)
So it's never going to happen, and by saying never I hope just the opposite happens because I said never.
No, iPad OS just needs to be more advanced but be its separate category. It does need Mac OS level of file management and apps that make sense of the iPad interface.
macOS finder would be a good start over app based saving shenanigans that drive me potty!
Amen!!!! One OS.
I love iPadOS! I’m sure the iPad & Macbook will morph together someday… but as an artist, the iPad in it’s current state is the single best product that Apple has ever made. Hands down. Not only is it the best digital sketchbook ever created, it is better than any laptop for content creation & media consumption IMHO. I prefer writing on it over a laptop. It’s better for surfing the web. For editing photos & videos. Plus it is thinner & lighter than any laptop. I ditched my laptop back in 2018 for the iPad Pro and haven’t looked back. So i don’t get all the iPadOS hate. I fully embraced & converted to an iPadOS only workflow. I just think Mac users are just stuck on MacOS.
I stopped buying iPad Pros just because Apple refused to let them run macOS, even though the latest iPad Pros and MacBook Airs have so much in common. I'm happy with my MacBook Air. I just wish it had a detachable keyboard and a touch screen so I could use it for everything.
A 2 in 1 MacBook... In our dreams...
why would they sell you 2 devices when they can sell you 3?
They'd rather sell 60 million of 1 device than 15 million of 2.
an A12z was able to be used in a MacMini with a full flesh Mac operative system.
All existing iPads are more powerful than that A12z MacMini.
Why Apple doesnt allow any iPad to become a full fledged Mac when connecting a keyboard+mouse is beyond me.
(the iPad Pro is not even that Pro anymore. the iPad Air has the exact same power,
and since the A12z could run Mac, the Mini A15 should be able to do it too)
Flex OS
I totally agree with you, Apple needs to incorporate the touch elements of iPad OS into Mac OS, and the iPad Pro should run this modified Mac OS. I suspect Apple have already done this in the lab, but are reluctant to release it, because they really want you to buy both a MacBook and an iPad and are concerned a large screen iPad running a version of Mac OS would impact Mac device sales. I currently have 2TB M1 12.9-inch iPad Pro and feels like an oversized iPhone that is missing key OS functionality needed to make it a tablet computer. If the latest iPad Pro, M3, M4 whatever, is still running iPad OS, it will continue to be the most pointless product in Apple's product portfolio. If you are wedded to Apple ecosystem, it makes more sense to save money by purchasing an iPad Air, because iPad OS doesn't allow the iPad Pro to do anything significantly better to justify its extra cost.
It's probably more to do with it not being perfect that they won't introduce touch macOS (or even a pencil enabled macOS). Just like the calculator not being on the iPad tells you all about Apples obsessive behaviour.
I agree - if IPAD OS is not greatly improved for creatives and app developers like Adobe don't invest in it - the iPad is dead. Yes, it makes a nice media consuming device, but I can go all the way back to 2018 with the SAME user experience for that. What excites me about the IPAD is replacing my Wacom tablet for retouching with the pad in real photoshop (not a heavily scaled down mobile app). or at LEAST better sidecard when pairing with a Mac as second screen. Otherwise, could care less about thinner bezels, OLED screen, M4 M5 M6
Let's look back at 2010 when Steve showed the first iPad: a device between iPhone and MacBook. And that's what iPad is.
iPad is very mature. I don't think Mac OS on iPad Pro is a good idea. When you use Mac OS on iPad Pro you will complain about how non-Pro iPad Pro is with just one port: Thunderbolt. That's worse than MacBook Air. And you already got MacBook Pro that got an even better display.
Let iPad be iPad.
Let MacBook be MacBook.
ONE thing that iPad OS need to add is multiuser support so accounts like on Macs with Mac OS. If a parent want the kid or grandkid to use your iPad you can let him/her use your iPad with another account and he/she will not delete all your e-mails and photos by mistake and so on. You can feel safe when you let someone else using your iPad for a quickie! We NEED some solution for that. Which solution that's best? I have no idea but I hope Apple can create one!
I use my MacBook Pro with a Wacom pen tablet more than my iPad Pro and pencil for art... That tells me allot about what I really need.
It’s going down. They have the patent for it already. NDA’s won’t allow people to talk about it. It’ll be just like the Microsoft hybrid device but the Mac version won’t kick it unless the keyboard is connected to iPad.
Hmm, I'm an artist and not so interested in the keyboard... I think the pencil would be a better pointing device than the trackpad. Maybe the pencil will kick it also?
@@JamesWilliam70 that would be nice as well. Not sure, but I guess we’ll see Tuesday. The patent I saw only mentioned connecting a keyboard to activate another software. Looking forward to see.
How we doing this not then cannibalize sales of MacBooks by iPad users?
MacBook sales are also dropping come on 😂
I think both the iPad and the Mac are in need of a dramatic refresh. I think this gets two birds with 1 stone. I don't think Apple minds canabalizing a product if they have a something that's worth it.
Apple need to get rid of the Air Macbooks
It’s a tablet it’s not suppose to be a MacBook or surface pro. If that’s what you want you should get an air
You're not understanding what iPad fundamentally is. Let me explain: Even Tim said in the last event that iPad 'Is their most versatile device'. This means Apple understands that customers want their iPad for everything from playing iOS checkers games, to using Logic Pro and Davinci Resolve. Everyone understands this. That's why Apple keeps pushing what iPad can do. One thing I think you do understand is that the MacBook Air has no touch screen, stylus, face ID, or OLED screen. So if I want a tablet that has the OS and power of a MacBook, then that's what I want. Many others feel the same way and that's okay. Apple has been moving in that direction for years now. So I will not be getting an Air. 👍
No one is forcing you to buy an iPad Pro. I use a very capable $250 9th gen iPad for leisure and a laptop (MBA) for work.
I think that the general consensus is that allot have been yearning for a touch based macOS, or at least pen enabled for us artists!
DON’T put Mac OS on the iPad. If you need Mac OS just buy a Macbook. For me the power of an iPad is the touch interface and the creativity that brings to a lot of apps.
But what if I want the Power of MacOS with the intuitiveness of touch input and certain iPad apps?
@@grantedgeek Use both. The nice thing about Apple products is that they work together flawlessly. I don’t think combining them will make a better product. But we’ll see how Apple thinks about this. Maybe they will pull something out of their magic hat.
I use my MacBook Pro with a Wacom pen tablet more than my iPad Pro and pencil for art... That tells me allot about what I really need. (a 2 in 1?)
No, just no…. The Mac should not be like the iPad OS or the iPhone or any of that garbage.. there’s a realistic way they can do this. Like you plug in or hit a button and they magically switch to a different UI.. basically what Windows did.. (way ahead of the time).. DEX does this (im a huge apple fan, but DEX is literally light years ahead of apple even if it still sucks)
that will never happen. Not because it’s not technically possible but simply because that would be the worse business decision apple could do. Why on earth would Apple release macos on ipad? To kill the macbook? No way! apple is a trillion dollar MC company because they make people buy unnecessary things, fanboys upgrade their iphones every other year, buy macbooks and ipads probably on the same rythm. if you put macos on the ipad people will stop buying either a laptop or a tablet, only one of the devices would be enough. So, once again, this would be a terrible business decision and this is why there will never be macos on the ipad. the macbook air is already a flop, like so many other laptop products, having the ipad running macos would make it worse
The MacBook Air is a flop? It’s one of Apple’s best selling computers. It’s one of the WORLD’s best selling laptops.
Please just get a MacBook lol, the iPad is an iPad💁 if you want Mac OS, just get a Mac
I use my MacBook Pro with a Wacom pen tablet more than my iPad Pro and pencil for art... That tells me allot about what I really need.