Are wood burning stoves going to be banned?
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2022
- This has been a very hot topic for a few years, but I hope this will clear up the issue for people. There is a lot of misinformation out there, but if you have any comments or anything to add please drop them in the comments.
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With the current energy crisis and gas prices, I'd love to see the government TRY to ban people burning wood to keep warm
They could no problems ,look at the covid experience , you minions don't leave your rooms whilst we all party .
@@topfuelteddy Y'know, being a twat is a choice - you can choose not to be one.
chop up and stack the pieces of the regulaters as fuel
@@keithreeder
_He prefers to be a cn*t._
They can all get fucked !
'There's talk in the media, but that's not real talk' That is so true in so many ways!
I want politician burning stove.
They already have them it's called our money!
My wood burner is more interesting to watch than most TV programmes and since my garden backs on to woodland it's cheaper than a TV licence.
Sounds like paradise.
Complete agree, lots of rubbish on tv lately
Governments have far too much power over how we live our lives. How did we let this happen? A society comfortably numb. 😔
Another pink Floyd fan !!!
If they try to ban them it will because they don't like people being independent of their power control. (They would try to use the environment as a blackmailing excuse aimed at the unthinking masses).
I've had 2 burners fitted in my home this year, April and August, investing now to save long term. Built a Log store in garden in 2021, all full of Kiln dried logs. Neighbours have also given me free wood from which I can dry out myself for the future.
Sounds ideal 👍
Any law that says burning wood to stay warm is illegal has no authority and should be ignored.
I've noticed an increasing number of public parks and woodland errecting signs stating 'No log collection'.
I live in a village in Scotland, we are very prone to power cuts in the winter months. I have a stove fitted, I burn anthracite all the time, great heat, never need the heating on as the stove warms the whole house.
Sadly you can’t buy solid fuel central heating stoves now, you can only buy what some people have left in stock.
This video will help a lot of people who think stoves are banned.
Kind regards
Johnny
There are some new boiler stoves coming out. I have my first review of one coming, but it will take a while to organise. There is some hope though as the one that I will review is quite a powerful beast that will run around 10 radiators and hot water.
Hi Johnny, not sure if this helps but... I just had a solid fuel range cooker boiler (burns anthracite as well) installed with a 2000 litre thermal store. Haven't had chance to properly battle test it in the winter yet but so far really pleased. If you contact Ernie at Cookers imported direct where we got ours from, pretty sure they do a smaller unit that is 23kw to water boiler.
Alternatively if you're after something more cosmetic than Ernie's offerings I can put you in touch with a guy selling Rayburns that have been reconditioned to accept a larger boiler which will do up 50,000 BTUs (14-15kw) aka 14 rads and hot water
I'm using mine more than ever in rural Ireland. Co of heating oil is sky high
Whilst those with power and money and live a life that’s been provided by us the working classes, they want to stop us trying to keep warm. Ye right, they can piss right off.
Well, couldn't agree with you more. And yes, certain people would like to ban prime movers: things that just work with out reliance on a heavily taxed infra structure. (ie, freedom). My earliest memories are lighting the fire in the morning, it was our only form of heating. Got one going now.
I put a wood pellet stove in my old house 3 years ago. In two years it paid for itself in oil saved. I used the savings in year 3 to upgrade the insulation in the Attic. I am going to start replacing a window a year now.
That sounds awesome. I long term tested a Heta Pellet stove and I think it saved me around £500 per year.
I like the idea of becoming more community based, more local. It feels more traditional and probably the way we’re meant to live! Also I’m really enjoying your channel and I like the Q&A format with your wife asking questions. Keep up the good work! 🎉
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for your thoughts mate! I've looked through quite a few of your stove reviews. In your opinion is there a certain type or certain brand of stove that is better suited for being on all day/night on a low heat setting?
Those two factors seem at odds: burning at a low temperature for a long time and not having a build up of creosote in your chimney over time 🤷♂️😞
There is a way of doing this well and there are many ways of doing it badly. Extremes are always foolish (eg always running low or always running high), so if I describe how I would use a stove for serious use:
First you need the right stove.
You use dry fuel which solves 90% of sooting issues.
You then through trial and error learn how to run the stove overnight with the glass remaining clean all night (which is very possible with the right stove).
At least 1 per week the stove is burned hot for at least 1 hour (most people do this every evening whilst they’re sat down for the evening).
And once a week around half the ash is removed with a metal shovel whilst the stove is burned down, but mine never really goes out when I’m running like this.
The easiest stoves to do this with are wood only appliances like:
Heta Stoves
Burley stoves
Some Dean Forge stoves
Dik Geurts stoves (DG)
Hunter Allure are also able.
Love the channel, just subscribed! I too have a Clearview Pioneer 400. I've had it six years and love it. Just had the flu cleaned and stocked up on kiln dried logs. Looking forward to cosy Winter days.
I have a review on that coming out soon, I really enjoyed using it!
It’s a mans primeval right to burn wood!!!!
Stove technology will also continue improve to make them even more efficient and clean I would imagine to.
I'm counting on mine this winter
Have you reviewed the town and country alandale?
I'm poised to buy but unsure as there are so many options
I am. It’s coming but the stove won’t arrive to me for I would thing a good 6 weeks of so. I think I’m getting the wider version the Pickering.
@@TheTortoise looking forward to seeing The Pickering, another British made stove, and in North Yorkshire
@@TheTortoise do you know when you will be able to review the Pickering Eco SC please? We are struggling to choose between Pickering and Hunter Allure 5. Pickering seems to have bigger glass and slightly better emissions and efficiency but we are impressed with how long the Allure can burn. We have to decide in the nearest 4 weeks. Please help 🙏
@@urszulapiwowarczyk5962 I’m waiting for it to come in, but I would expect this is going to take me longer than that to get. I think the allure worked beautifully, and I’m yet to find a better value stove for everything you get for the money. That said I’ve no doubt the Pickering will be fantastic too, but it will command a higher price.
How will you be using it, do you need a higher quality stove, or given your use is there a need for more?
I’m very poor , I was working below minimum wage - but since nearly dying this year I’m now on £85 a week.
The fuel bills are over £6K
I live in a big ish house
(EG Front room is 18ft x14Ft x9ft)
I’m wondering if get big enough stove and leave room door and other doors open will that heat radiate around the house. ??
My experience says No. Not adequate for more than primary room and next room.
I used to work for a stove company,i know full well at the moment they cannot keep up with the orders ,and their stoves and boilers are emissions and fuel efficient,ban them?
Never going to happen
Hello, I need to turn my wood burner to fit the rod in the side for the multi fuel kit. Is that possible or will I have to get someone to take it out? Thank you
What stove do you have?
just had ours put in , try and get any log burner fitter within 40 miles of me and there ALL booked for months
Yes a lot of the fitters I know are basically booking in 2023 now.
Hi ya. I really enjoy your channel, what is the name of the brand name of the stoves that your family make ?
My family have manufactured (my Granddad) and then my father had the first stove shop that sold over the internet, and ended up designing a few stoves. His company was the largest of its type in the UK until he retired and then I started another stove shop and handed it to my family when my wife got ill (ending up in a wheelchair), hence I started a CZcams channel as I could work from home.
I distance myself very deliberately from that side of things, so that I can stay impartial. I love reviewing stoves, but no one wants to hear warped information of someone just trying to sell stuff.
@@TheTortoise hi ya , I bought a pevex stove before I realised about brands and different manufacturers are they a decent stove ?
@@mattredford6642 yea, without a doubt. It’s all relative, depending on what job you want it to do, but I have reviews on my channel of a couple of their stoves and they worked well!
@@TheTortoise tbh I had it fitted as a toy for me to play with 🤣as I’ve always wanted one and I planned on using it on the evenings in winter , but the way things are with the energy it will probably be used throughout the day on a weekend let’s hope it’s up to the job 🤞🏻thanks for taking time to reply, love your channel even now I’ve had a stove fitted I still enjoy tbe reviews!!! Just wish I’d fount your channel pre ordering my stove but hopefully it will perform ok 👍🏻
@@mattredford6642 thanks for the comment. It’ll do a great job. If you were using it 24/7 it would be under a bit of pressure, but given your use it’ll do a great job👍
Hi buddy is the portway Arundel a good stove? Thanks
I haven’t tested one yet. I suspect it will be a very simple import, but the biggest negative for woodburning is it is a multi-fuel stove, so will tend to burn wood a bit quicker. Great if you’re burning coal based fuel though.
I need to try it though, because that’s the only way I’d know, rather than just guessing
@@TheTortoise thank you 🙏
You’re so naive. Three of my neighbours have wood burners, and not one of them burns approved fuel. Without exception they’re all burning pallets, fence posts, mdf, chipboard and they stink 24/7. I hate wood burners - cast iron, and people.
They can ban them but won't stop me using it
Hope they do ban them filthy stinky anti social things yes they will ban them sooner the better
Same here.
If wood becomes too expensive,could burn corpses
The reasearch was done years ago and they lost it shall we say, it's not just tyres and brake pads, it's the road surface the paint markings, and even the gritting salt all produce particles that stick to lungs are toxic etc, tyres have been said to cause 58-68% of airborne particulate pollution, the ban is all about taxes and the lobbiests will be the energy sector plus friends, they don't mention how much wood they import from Canada for the power stations, masses of forests turned into wood pellets to burn in our power stations, all about control.
Resist tyranny
What stone is this? Have u reviewed it?
I think it’s the Clearview pioneer 400, a classic stove , the so called Rolls Royce of stoves, and a classic look, it hasn’t been reviewed yet, are there better stoves, I personally think so
The review is on its way, but yea it is a Clearview Pioneer.
We're buying our first stove. How would you rate the Jotul F100? Fairly large room but mainly going to be used on evenings and weekends. I think it's beautiful and the history and longevity report attracted me. I've never had a stove and this will be my first. Would you recommend it? Thank you kindly, love your channel and can see it becoming absolutely huge!
@@martinalangallagher5996 yes it is a lovey characterful stove.
Your use isn’t asking much of the stove, so it will do fine, but it is obviously far from a cheap stove. From a longevity point of view I don’t believe this stove has anything special to offer, it being cast iron leaves it at a disadvantage in terms of longevity for lots of reasons. Having said that I do not expect you to have any issue in this regard, as the general truth is that stoves just don’t really break, they last decades. Cast iron stoves will eventually crack and steel stoves don’t tend to ever break, they mostly just get replaced because times and styles have changed.
The Jotul is a beautiful piece of furniture so if this is very important to you then go for it, but if budget is a strong factor too, then you can get a capable, and long lasting stove that suits your use for realistically, half the price of the Jotul.
@@TheTortoise thankyou for your response. Keep up the excellent work!
A bit off track. My uncle is flying from Canada today to london. I'm tracking his flight. I was astonished by all of the planes in the air at one time utterly flabbergasted. If they think they can ban my log burner they're gonna have a fight on their hands. Sorry for keeping my family warm .
So are they going to ban garden fires, bonfires etc??
😆 I think they’ve used firepits in the government covid parties, so I’d say unlikely!
I put a £100 deposit down to get a stove installed in November.
Reason,to reduce use of gas/ fossil fuel and because I believed it's carbon neutral?
Iam having my doubts,I read the produce 75 percent more carbon than equivalent amount of gas,for heat output.This worries me,as it takes a long time to grow a tree and we don't appear to have alot of time.
Is it wise me deciding to chuck even more carbon into the environment at this pivitol time?
Gas will always be cheaper, Wood burning is only cheaper if you can get the wood for free and process it yourself.
@@matthewburroughs9597 The point was not about monetary cost,but carbon,cost to global warming,the Earth.
@@alanrobinson2229 Ah, fair enough - but i've found too many people who have under-estimated the cost of running a Wood Burner.
I guess the trees you burn have taken that carbon out of the atmosphere. Everything to do with us keeping warm in winter produces carbon and there's a lot of scaremongering about this climate rubbish too imo but I respect you think differently.
Carbon is not our enemy.
If we want to keep warm then we will keep warm ban or no ban and how on earth would the "authorities " know
Yea the idea of banning stoves is just a bit silly, but so many worry about it, I thought it was worth giving people some confidence.
Wow, I’m absolutely amazed
The number of people on here actually think government is over reaching itself in many areas
We now live in a world where the government has the right to tell you whether you can keep warm or not. This is just utterly sinister and at Hitler levels of evil. I would die of cold without my wood burner
Us too!
They're a blight
Ok, ok, it’s recreational burning that’s the issue. You’re not in Siberia. You’re glad to harm everyone around you to keep that fool running ya? Mind blown
without government u would had gasoline,food and commodities prices x10 from what u're used to...
will they be starting with drax power station?...
I thought they had closed (the coal bit)?
@@TheTortoise yes, theyre burning wood chips from US and Canadian virgin forest. Millions of tonnes shipped and trained here instead of the coal they used to get from a couple of miles away!
@@filougreendog hahaha welcome to “saving the planet”. There’s a lot of maths that doesn’t quite add up at the moment.
I tried to heat my house with a bolt action rifle but found it way too expensive in both short and long terms.
I understand that that method leads to a leaky building.
Have turned off central heating keep active all day without wood burner at night we would freeze
Glad to hear it’s working well.
A bigger future lays in wood pellet stoves.
Not in the UK sadly. They work well in drier climates, but moisture in chimneys does sadly cause no end of problems. Strangely in most of Europe they are commonly fitted in a “non legal way”, and this works well in Britain too (they essentially fit them like a balanced flue, straight out rather than up). The problem with it is that if they are fitted in a way that complies with building regs, then our damp weather can cause a number of issues. The other thing that makes stoves almost irreplaceable is that they are totally independent. Pellet stoves tend to rely on electronics, and independent heating particularly in cold areas is a must (and in some cases a legal requirement).
There are stoves called Rocket stoves or Rocket Mass Heaters, they are completely clean burning and much, much more economical! Unfortunately there are only a few or maybe only one model commercially available ! However Rocket stoves are a way forward and hopefully will become more available as the word spreads. I have several videos on my channel about building rocket stoves.
Surely can use smokeless coal in a normal coal fire?
Wood burning stoves basically the same so I don’t see a problem!!
Just keep using your coal fire or log burner regardless what the government say!!
Can you burn smokeless fuel in London??
Yes you can. You don’t even need a smokeless zone (DEFRA approved) stove, when burning smokeless fuel.
Hello, I am a manufacturer of wood stoves in China, do you need to buy this product from China?😊
Sorry, but no. I can offer to review your stove 😆.
Does anybody have an address for spares for a royal stove? I need a new grate or a fire basket for my 8k. I warm my whole with mine. I love it.
I think these are a bit more buy and throw away unfortunately. If it’s the one I’m thinking, they’re Chinese castings and no one seems to supply spares.
Using a toaster creates more particulates than WBS..... Well that's bollocks
I’ve just released a video on this very subject. Stoves produce particulates at the top of a house, in hot gases that rise. Therefore their affect on people is particularly small. Toasters produce vastly more particulates in the home, and further than this, stoves are often responsible for clearing a home of cooking particulates, so they are often more the cure than the cause.
@@TheTortoise yes but the particulates from the stove are put out into the air outside which surely affects more people breathing them in than a toaster with one or a few people in the home?
That’s the key thing about them being released in hot gases and way above head height, they rise. And of course all particulates are cleared from the air when it rains, so these issues are far smaller than is reported. Toasters and food particularly when compared to modern stoves (as apposed to open fires etc), have a far greater impact on most people.
I’m keen to say though, I’m not anti cooking either. I think that we’ve just been presented with a boogieman, and now we’re blinded to other things that are probably more important. Stoves and particulates for me seems to be like cleaning the dishes whilst the house is on fire, there are much bigger problems out there.
@@TheTortoise definitely more problems out there but still a toaster in the home with maybe just a few people versus smoke from wood burners thrusting it outside for everyone to breath.... Yes the hot air will push it up the flu but as soon as it reaches the cold air outside it will fall not keep rising... I think more people are affected by this than a few people in the home with a toaster. I just think your trying to justify having a wood burner.
Short answer is yes, long answer only if you live in the city or rural community WITHOUT access to natural gas. Most country areas have only propane tanks that’s really only meant as a secondary heat source. Wood being first and propane as back up or electric if you still have baseboard heaters.
Zero chance?
As an electric car owner, I can assure you that the brakes and tyres do not wear out more quickly than those on a diesel or petrol vehicle. In fact the brakes on my EV have needed no maintenance in 83,000 miles. What is poorly understood by so called "experts" on this issue is that EVs employ regenerative (motor) braking, thus largely eliminating wear on the mechanical brakes. I do enjoy my wood burning stove in winter, however and plan to avoid gas use this winter by making extensive use of it to burn my significant stock of dry wood.
The mention of electric is mostly bait. But a stove manufacturer did do this test and I understand it to be correct. Obviously it is also true with diesel and petrol cars too. It’s also true that your toaster produces more particulates in the house than a stove, which I found even more surprising.
@@TheTortoise You're full of crap, fella.
My neighbour just replaced all the tyres on his electric audi after 5,000 miles. He has totally put me off buying one.
@@malc.s.5373. Your neighbour is obviously too adicted to the happy pedal. Any car car can rip up a set of tyres in a few thousand miles if driven by an idiot. Just look at legacy episodes of Top Gear for evidence. Electric cars do have lots of torque but, if sensibly driven which one would normally do to increase range, do not otherwise cause excessive tyre wear.
I agree to a point James, but he does the same commute to work he has done for years. It is a company car from an electrical wholesaler. I had years in the motor trade and drove all over the UK for work. I got through front tyres on a vauxhall calibra in 6,000 miles, my Citroën c5 rears lasted over 35,000 (fronts 20,000 plus) . A few years back. I drive different now, but my mate drives exactly the same as he did before.... So it is definately the car in this case.
They should totally ban guns!
In Finland, just one million Air-Source-Heat-Pumps (ASHP) now pull 3.5GW from the power grid during cold days. When you consider that the UK government wants to replace some 23 million gas boilers with ASHPs, that would increase UK grid demand by 80.5GW. Given that current UK grid demand is 45GW (which we're struggling to cover) - that would be quite an ask! We would need to either build some 40 offshore wind-farms the size of Hornsea (which would take almost a century to complete), OR build 20 nuclear power stations the size of Hinkley (another 50 years minimum). What this means is that (energy wise), the UK is completely f***ed, and so, NO wood burning stoves will NOT be banned.
That’s really interesting, doesn’t surprise me at all.
The government dont want any1 to be warm unless your super rich, then you dont need to worry about the cost of heating 👎👎👎
Everything is being banned 🙄
Haven't you heard? Net zero is dead, the weirdos just haven't recognised it yet. I have three wood burners and oil CH. No gas in my area. Buy the wood locally but also take it from plantation and season it myself. Aim to not use oil in future other than hot water.
👍 I like the local wood and self seasoning, that’s the best way by far.
Yep. Net Zero was never alive. Only the wierdo "perpetual energy" pundits thought it was.
@@davesherry5384 well net zero with wood is a pretty simple equation. Wood takes in x CO and when it’s burned it gives off x, so net zero is complete. They’ve just gotta work out how to log and deliver it without using CO 🤔
Chopped up palettes are really good for burners too
Good luck with that 🤣
Right? Ban my a*s....
Coal maybe wood not.
They have stopped the sale of house coal, but like everything they don’t tend to ban things, they just improve it. And smokeless is what they came up with, it’s not cheap though.
I don't want to br more local
Zero chance? Really?
As I say it’s not how governments tend to legislate, can you think of a single everyday product that has been banned? And what are you going to suggest to people on small islands around the uk where getting oil and gas is just not practical or cost effective?
@@TheTortoise leaded gas (petrol). lead paint. merbromine. lawn darts. hell, guns & knives in the UK. Things that are bad for people, like breathing wood combustion particles. But I mean the place that invented smog should be fine.
@@TigerDude333 of course you change and improve things, like removing lead from paint, but you don’t ban lead. It’s used in Britain every day. And you get less particulates from a stove in your house than using your toaster, I should probably not get too drawn in, but all the best!
Missed another quality pun: “the industry is on fire”. I’ll get my coat.
How about banning private planes first
I hope not, I used to do a bit of that before I became diabetic and lost my license to fly alone.
I think it's fair to say you have a vested interest in promoting wood burning stoves. From an ecological and environmental perspective there's no future for wood burning stoves nor should there be. Wood burning stoves can cause real health issues even inside the home where they're being used due to particulates. If people revert to using wood burning stoves in significant numbers in urban areas there will be health consequences that could undo some of the good work that's been done to clean up the air we breath since the 1960's. For those thinking of investing in wood burning/solid fuel stoves I'll say this. You'll find the wood burns quite quickly and perhaps more importantly, it's not cheap. If there's a significant uptake that raises the question of whether or not there's enough wood to supply the demand. You'll need your chimney swept at regular intervals to keep it working properly and to reduce the risk of a chimney fire. Full disclosure time. We have a solid fuel fire which we in herited with the property. We also have an oil fired boiler that hasn't been fired up since the explosion in the oil price and it'll stay off until prices come down again.. We would like to replace this as it's getting on a bit and it would be nice to have something cleaner burning. If we had any other type of boiler we'd be eligible for a government grant to help with the cost but not for oil fired for who knows what reason. Our position now is that we are just wrapping up a bit warmer until we reach the point where we feel it's prudent to light the fire. Wood isn't such a problem for us as we're in a well forested rural part of the country but to make it a bit more comfortable I've bought a tonne of coal as the coal does give out a much better heat than just the logs.
For others watching this video please bear in mind that this nice man is in the business of selling wood burners...and what was all that waffle about guns???
Well said you , I’ve fitted thousands over the years , linked up systems mostly , we knew then limited by the people who bought them , solid fuel ? Coal and coke
I hope so, the affect they have on urban air quality's just dreadful
I sort of get that, but the alternative is putting power stations in rural areas and spoiling their air quality for yours. There doesn’t seem to be a perfect answer yet 🤷♂️.
@@TheTortoise We've had The National Grid in full operation for over 80 years, what are you on about?
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k yes and thousands of stoves and open fires in use at the same time. If you lose them then the national grid has to replace 10’s of thousands of kilowatts of power per day, which isn’t yet possible. They have the same issue with electric cars. It sounds good but the reality is nowhere near as “green” as we would hope.
Honestly I’m not trying to annoy you, but this is a subject I take some interest in, sadly there aren’t any perfect answers.
There’s a lot of bad information here, wood burning is the worse thing you can do for your family and neighbours health. The PM2.5 pollution is worse than modern diesel engines.
I’m glad to say that actually the opposite is true. The figures that you are quoting included essentially every bit of solid fuel burning eg:
Bonfires
Wildfires
Fire pits
Open fires
They also (when fact checked) found that the figure they came up with was around 3x the actual figure.
And then finally with the car test, they put a new efficient diesel, and ran it in perfect conditions at 21mph (no warming up, no acceleration, just perfect, slow cruising). They ignored all the PM2.5 from tyres and brakes which is far higher than that from an exhaust. They then tested a stove run at maximum, and included every bit that they could exaggerate the figure.
I hope this is helpful and reassuring.
Oh yes they will...
Germany is passing this law.... A matter of time, when other european countries will pass this law
Just so you know Germany has no intention of banning stoves at all. For the last year there has been a shortage of stoves in every European country including the UK, because Germany have been buying so many stoves, and buying up fuel causing wood shortages. This has been caused by the energy crisis which obviously affected Germany a lot, but there were even German incentives to buy new stoves.
What’s happening in Germany is nothing more than wanting new stoves rather than open fires etc.
What people don't realise when getting a stove fitted is the cost of logs & coal unless you live next to a forest , Just put the heating on people 💸🔥
Talking rubbish on the electric car info. Get your facts checked before publication.
www.charnwood.com/news/the-truth-about-wood-burning-stoves-the-real-facts/
The above link may be helpful. I can’t find the specific document regarding particulates from brakes and tyres, but the figures are much less positive for electric cars than you may of hoped.
Ban the filthy things