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FROM BOARD TO BOW: Can a 2 x 4 Really Bend?" (WILL IT BOW)
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It was relatively successful. You did achieve a working 30lb bow. I would say that there is some modest value here, especially for beginners just starting out on learning to build. Well done.
I think if you add in the possibility of world war 3 or nesr extinction level event turning a 2x4 into a 30lb bow means the ability to effectively hunt small game as well as self defense In urban areas after ammo for firesrms is no longer in circulation
I homeschooled my kids and my son began the march through toolmaking at seven years old. He began with the mastery of deceptively simple fire. As soon as he could reliably light a fire by rubbing sticks together, he moved on to the next stage. Stone tools, arrow heads, and spear and bow making were his great love for more than a year. I remember when he finally found a book on bow making and he suddenly realized what he'd been doing wrong. He progress was rapid after that.
At twelve he was forging copper and bronze, iron at fourteen, explosives and the basics of chemistry at fifteen, and at sixteen he began to experiment with electricity and electronics. He loved it all.
I'll never forget my sense of doom when the kids excitedly dragged me out to see the 14 foot trebuchet they'd constructed while "playing" in the field. It was fired once when I wasn't home. (The kids confessed that little tidbit when they were in their 20's.) It worked and the machine survived, but scared the hell out of him and he cooled it for awhile.
I'll tell every parent, this is the best way for kids to learn. They absorb so much knowledge about history, cultures, math, and the properties of so many things and won't even realize that they're gaining an education. This is the way to create lifelong learners. Just let them love their natural inclination to seek out more.
Absolutely gutted for you man. My first attempt at bow making did the same. 4 Days of hand tooling a long bow and at full draw... boom.
Thanks for the great content. Love it.
IDEA: go back through failed "will it bow" videos and change it to "it WILL bow" and make any modifications to make the bow work!
I love your videos. You have a great personaility for youtube. Keep up the good work.
Entertaining and informative! It was a special treat to see you build it as a self bow, and I admire your determination to stick to your goal! Also, 9 minutes, well done, Kazden!
Keep up the great work!
10:59
So, it definitely did bow.
At 30 lbs, at 28 inches...
With that design, and without any other adjustments.
It Bows.
I work construction and I always wondered how a 2x4 bow would perform. This taught me a big lesson on the types of wood. You should try a water treated 2x4 next. They tend be stronger and their fibers hold up under tension I've noticed. *Although now that I think about it I assume that would would be more prone to warping and settling.
always impressed by your energy and drive
Can you do a maple bow using the outer soft wood as the backing and the inner hard wood as the belly?
8:25 bro ordered a bow string like a krabby meal
Hi Kramer-
You were on the right track by shortening the bow. I would have cut it down to 48”and re-tillered it. Then you would have a Comanche style bow with a drawlength of about 15”.
And you would have hit the 40 lb. Mark.
Absolutely. Enjoy watching you work. Trying new materials.
Super impressed that you got a 2x4 to bow even at 30.
One Day.. I WILL be able to afford to buy one of your bows
I've never found a board with good grain like that. Cool build.
9:33 we love the trans bow string
Mad respect for your abilities!! I guess that's why bows are made from the woods they are.
If you rawhide backed it and glued and tied the hell out of it would it work or shatter still?
I did this and it worked! Shot three arrows and broke going to buy an actual stave now👍
Nice! Do you think if you glued some fibar tape on the back it would of made it to your 40lbs mark
To be far that still makes a good material for a beginner to learn the basics with, how to shape the wood and tillering in general. You could even split it down depth wise in to two pieces and get two shots at it, you'd just have to glue some of the off cuts to the handle area. Possibly a really cheap way off teaching someone the basics of the trade.
Personally I'd call it a success on that score and you now know that a 28" draw with the material needs a 72" bow, I'd love, as others have said, to see how it stayed after a month of using it.
I've made a couple of successful (spruce) bows from 2x4s. They needed to be long, at least 3 inches wide and thin in section to to minimize compression ferrets and failure for a 40 pounds bow. The most successful ones were 30ish pound "rabbit bows" that flexed through the handle.
Found that choosing the right piece of spruce is the biggest thing - next to good grain is tight rings (seen 4 growth rings per inch way out to 20). Seems that 2x4s are made from the poorest wood that was not suitable for other lumber - try looking through the wider boards for better materials.
Great try! Good looking bow! Thanks for posting!
13:51
So. From the point when you had a decent 30# draw, without cracking...
To your goal. Of 40 # draw...
Perhaps a bit of heat, to the belly, to help resist the compression? And to increase the snappy poundage,
Then a modest adjustment to its length and tiller.
Maybe wouldn't snap.
Another great video mate. Something I've wondered for a long time is how well strips of pvc would work for a bow belly, especially for a lighter wood like this. Pvc is already known for making a decent bow on its own, but I just want to know how it does in a composite.
I'd like to see a self bow made out of a mimosa tree.
Thanks for the video, Kramer.
Really enjoy watching your videos, been following for years.. hoping you get back to making shatterproof bows soon.
What you proved is that a functional self-bow can be made from cheap lumber. That's nothing to sneeze at.
A cable backing would make that Bow viable for hunting and warfare.
I was thinking if a will it bow, making a bow out of leather and rawhide as only material besides hide glue would it bow?
I'm sure if we gave a bowyer from times past a modern 2x4 they would gladly use it.
Thanks for the fun journey.
I’m curious how bad the set would be if you left it 30# and just shot it for a month.
Love your willingness for failure (in the bow, not the project).
Now you have the makings of a crossbow :)
What if you had a bamboo back and belly? I feel like a soft wood would work well enough as a core with the right back and belly. I haven't tried it myself, I've only done self bows so far and don't have access to tools or a workshop at the moment to try it.
I would be interested to see if you could make a hunting weight bow out of a 2x4 utilizing the Penobscot bow design. Maybe even just see how heavy a bow you can make.
Here's a weird thought: make a flat bow like this one, tiller, shoot, get poundage, etc.. then recurve the same bore and see the difference.. reckon that might be fun.
Now I do remember you making an honestly pretty good bow out of wood from Menards and fiberglass tape? I feel like that’s the best way to start because then you can have an actual usable bow for little money invested. Idk tho I’m not expert and have yet to make one but your old video is the blueprint I plan to follow
Can you make a bow out of Australian Buloke? It's the hardest wood in the entire world.
That might be a cool bow.
as much as the strength matter so does the elasticity of it. wood that is too hard will have a tougher time bending and extending. you need a balance of a wood that can stretch and compress. but you can try it. not saying you can't but it will be hard.
It might be awesome to use in a horse bow/ asiatic bow. Use in handle and siyah.
you may want to do a little homework there on hard woods. Australian Buloke is only around 3700lbf hardness, certain Acacia woods are around 1000lbf harder on the janka scale, roughly 20% harder.
@@bundles1978 I'll believe every Wikipedia and scientific journal testing wood before some rando youtube comment, thanks.
Perhaps it is you that needs to do more homework, ma'am.
ty for the information i was using past expiriance so i may have been in the wrong in some areas. thanks for the tips@@bundles1978
was that Pine ,Fir or Spruce? I've heard it makes a big difference
Sorry about the bow but thanks for the video
I would love to see a bow out of a snowboard
A recurve! great idea.
From my perspective, most 2X4's at all of the Big Box stores are already BOWED.
So a 30 # is achieveable I like it.
That was cool
You could build a bow out of lego bricks?.
What if you cut a 2×4 into thin pieces and then stuck it back together and amde a bow from that?
Would mind explaining that tillering process with that triangle and pencil? Thx!
Hi can I know the name of tools u use to scrape the wood?
I'd have loved to see you wearing eye protection when handling a bow that might break under tension
Is this from a pine 2x4?
I like your approach of building bows. 👍
How many hours did you spent on this project ?
I have a question ( and this may be rude , I dunno this is the first bow making video I’ve ever watched ) Could you use an angle grinder to remove the initial material and shape the wood ?
A 2$ piece of wood. This video must be 50 years old.
Was that a yellow pine to Before or a spruce pine fur ? What if you would have backed it with Drywall tape?
You can actually tiller a bow more accurately if you have a more narrow point of contact on the handle. You can see which side is more stiff earlier in the process and end up with a stronger bow more easily.
Can you back it with sinew or hickory?
Surely they make 2x4's from heavier wood. What about resin stabilizing the core?
2X4's are either spruce or pine. Fir is available I think. Cedar for sure but no way cedar would work unless it was a very heavy, bulky, bow or very low draw weight
If you look at the mill stamps, you'll usually see SPF printed on most 2x4 construction lumber. SPF is spruce, pine, and fir.
Mission abort ..we ll get him next time 😢❤
If you're going for a long-con, you can get cheap saplings from the US forestry service and grow your own wood.
Like 2 bucks for oak/walnut. Osage is a bit more
How long would they take to grow to 8ft tall and thick enough though?
What dimensions did you use please?
So, yes, you can prototype and practice your bowing skills on a 2x4.
Great build! With a skateboard bow???
I would have used a draw knife to carve the belly for a better tiller. But a saw works just fine.
Would a penobscott design variant using the 2x4 made it to 40+ lbs in draw-weight?
Love it! 😀
I encountered the same to brake my bow at 30# using 2x3.
I would buy that
Was that based on my suggestion Kramer? From the last will it bow. I really hope so 🤞
what would your process be if you make a bow that has a draw length of 35inch and 50 pound?
I think making a bow out of fishing rod or fishing pole could be hard but interesting
Would making it a take down bow been better than a self bow?
What if you had oiled the bow? Kiln dried wood is just too dry. Mineral oil or linseed oil. You might lose a pound or two of draw weight. It would probably cause the wood to take a set faster. But you might have hit your draw weight.
Fun!
What wood was that? A pine or a willow?
Probably pine
this music
Could you make a bow from Japanese honeysuckle?
It's an invasive species here in the eastern US and is everywhere where I live. I made simple stick bows out of it when I was a kid and wondered how it would work if more time was put into it.
Done 3 already from pine boards, from 23lbs to 34lbs. Flat pyramid bows work best IMO.
Did you test it
shortening it AND expecting it to draw to a higher weight... that's just asking too much. That's like asking the bow before it was shortened to go to 55 or 60 pounds. If you want to make a 40 pound bow that draws to 28 inches, you can try making it extra long as well as extra wide, and it will work. There are those native american paddle bows that would be a good design for something like douglas fir or willow.
Must be so heartbreaking to see all that work turned into firewood...
Where Are you getting a ....2×4 for $2 Dollars at?
You never know till you try.
$2?! When is the last time you bought a 2x4?
666th view, 111th like! It was really worth the like though!
Does cutting the bow down to increase the poundage actually make it shoot an arrow faster? There's some sort of relationship between the length of a bow and the smoothness of the energy transfer, right? Guess it might not matter much at those two different lengths.
Pine sucks. Unless it’s newspaper
The amount of work you put into it, say 10 hours at 10 dollars an hour, you're better off buying a cheap starter bow to see if you like the sport. Or better yet join an open door club-day and borrow a bow.
I think he’s already familiar with the sport. This was an opportunity to test his skill with soft wood.
Some people dont just want to shoot the bow, but build it as well...
Try backing it with human sinew
Try fir.
Ok, go out and kill a charging griz w that one. Tim Baker claims 30 pou ders could take down charging bears.
With one shot? Well yeah, of course. It may just take a day or two. 😳
Success is achieved by learning from failures. Maybe cut less off the tips or leave it at 30 lbs? Ha. Have you ever tried to build a bundle bow?
When are you going to start selling bows again?
🙁
bwamp bwamp. Nice try tho!