@Xantron actually, in Daxter you visit the fish cannery located in the docks. Lurker sharks aren't extinct, but clearly are now a food source for the masses. Including a larger, faster swimming variant that can jump as well as a Lurker shark megalodon, which could easily eat several troop transports in a single bite! Greatly unsettling for anyone with a fear of large ocean predators. To this day, nothing gives me anxiety quite like that heartbeat sound of one closing in
@@s0urcl0ut it's possible that a earthquake or nature itself created the Haven City we see in Jak 2 and Jak 3. Lot things can happen within a few centuries.
@@kingnamor7777 Metal heads destroying an eco silo and creating the rift valley by Haven forest could drain enough water to build the walls. Maybe taking over Spider caves and eating the Red and Yellow Sages was enough eco to form Kor.
@@spencernoss6554 I agree with you on the part where the metalheads destory the eco silo and creating the rift Valley by Haven Forest and possibly drain enough water to build the wall. But I highly doubt the eco Sage's were eaten. They probably fought in the metalheads wars. But this is all in theory.
If you look at Samos' hut in the first game and compare the height and water level in the second game, you'll also notice that the sea level has dropped considerably. So it's possible that the lower sea level allowed for more development by revealing more land to build on. Also not sure about Dead Town being the first part of Haven city necessarily. I just thought the buildings were old and crumbled because the metalheads had destroyed that part of the city first when the Baron decided to pull back. It's possible that Haven might be a metropolitan conglomerate of multiple villages and settlements in that area that eventually banded together to form a city.
I always thought that way: Mountain Temple = Forbidden Jungle The Dig = Fire Canyon Medal Head Nest = Misty Island Pumping Station = Sentinel Beach Dead Town = Sandover Village
+Daxtery Toon (Cypher) Yeah, that's pretty much how I always thought of it too. Gotta admit though, that map makes a heck of a lot more sense... I mean, Forbidden Jungle wasn't as far from Sandover Village as Mountain Temple is to Dead Town. That's kind of the clincher to me.
I always though that the Strip Mine was Misty Island. Perhaps, I thought that because you can see it off in the distance from the Palace. It's an eco-rich island in the middle of nowhere.
Misty Island is more likely the Strip Mine due to their shared island location and large amounts of dark eco. The Pumping Station is probably Geyser Rock when you look at the distance from Dead Town. The Port seems to be (at least thematically) Rock Village due to the bay shape the fact that it's the first section you unlock (With the Zoomer in 1 and a Security Pass in 2) and the Hip Hog Saloon (the Hip Hog being Bogy Billy's pet in the first game). The Underport seems to be a reinterpretation of the Underwater Precursor City. I wonder if the Farm area was inspired by the Valley area after the battle with Klaw? I thought about this a lot. I've alway wondered whether the similarities were supposed to be foreshadowing for the Samo's Hut reveal.
Tarka states that he thought The Strip Mine was Misty Island but then he states emphatically it's not: tarka.deviantart.com/art/Haven-City-map-19512485
You get a decent overview during that one flying mission in Jak 3. You can pretty much see the entire world map in full 3D there - Even Misty Island just off of the harbor.
In the Jak 3 manual it says that Gol and Maia were in the precursor catacombs for a couple hundred years (2 hundred years). Jak put them there at the end of Precursor Legacy. That puts Jak 2 200 years after Precursor Legacy
+Notsosmartguy 625 God I hope that's not the case because then that would mean he stays in the past and becomes his own grandfather or something. And regardless of whether what I just said happens or not, Jak going back in time and founding haven city would still be the ending of the series forever because there' be nothing left to do! Because in Jak II the statues of Mar clearly depict someone much older than the Jak we all know thus that would mean if Jak time traveled again he didn't come back!
That's definitely the original Haven City. Remember Torn what Torn said about "before" when he was a crimson guard? The metal heads assaulted and the new barrier was built and recreated inside the walls. And Samos somehow stayed behind and stopped the attack but by then the new city was probably built and they just abandonned the ruins.
the precursor basin is the dig, wow that explains the lurker totem pole being underground and it was an ancient artifact when lurkers ruled the land above
they buried it, and when brutter said i know all caves from the back of his claw, and when he mentioned mars tomb, he said "knowhere there", that means he knows the dig was where his territory was and the tomb of mar was far away on the ocean
@@magicmanscott40k No, the Precursor Basin is one of the levels in the Rock Village hub area. The Geologist asks you to guide the moles back to their hole, and the Gambler wants you to beat the time trial. Samos also asks you to heal the plants with green eco.
I always felt that Damas named Jak after Mar just because Damas was probably ruler of Haven City at the time of Jak's birth and wanted his son's name to be important just as Damas was, so he named him Mar out of tribute. And that THE Mar is someone else entirely.
Looking back at this video, it makes sense for Haven City to be built where it is. We see in the beginning of Jak 2 after the giant precursor rift gate lets the metal heads in. Which means over time as the metal heads grew in numbers, the villagers couldn't stay on the main land and had to venture off into into the ocean. Samos's being the best decision as green eco would help sustain the villagers even without food (at least thats how i think it works) where as rock village, although is also surrounded by water, may have been too dangerous with the amount of dark eco reservoirs there are in the lost precursor city for the metal heads and whatever evil lurkers were still present. Samos's just seems the most ideal location to build a new city from when you have a constant source of life energy to keep you going.
If you travel to the top of the barrens palace there is a distinct island that is foggy and jagged most likely to be misty island. And from there you can pin point where the first jak and daxter scenery or map would be. I my self was curious where the city had fallen on the original map.
I would love to see Jak 2/3 type of game in the map of Jak 1 and Jak w combined, with All the structures from Jak 1 (Forbidden Jungle, Mountain Pass, etc)
What always bothered me, is, After the first game, You never see misty island again… if the lurkers turned good after gol and maya lost influence over them, wouldn’t misty island be a chill place? If you took a boat there, you’d probably be welcomed with milk and cookies after the events of the first game…. So why can’t we go back?!?!? It would’ve been cool to see it again from a not so spooky point of view
I like to think that Misty Island is a Lurker village after the first game was over. They probably fought against the Metalheads and humans during the Metalhead Wars.
Can't we use the orientation of Samos' hut to get the position of Haven city? The door to the hut faces Sandover (J&D) and also towards Haven in J&DII. Although that'll require checking and some more careful measurements.
This is just a theory, but at the start of the second game, Daxter says that him and Jak did all the heavy lifting. On top of that, red eco makes you stronger and they had the other three sages there with them. So perhaps Jak and possibly Daxter as well, both powered up on red eco and literally carried it back home, with the help of the sages. Maybe some of the civilians along the way as well.
@@MrDamakoEndurance Could also have been the same way they moved it in Jak 2 with a lurker balloon. But I don't think they were friendly until the future.
Jak was named Mar by his father: Damas. Damas named him after his ancestor: Mar. I really don't think Jak is the same Mar that founded Haven City. He can't be his own great great great grandfather, Keira might have been his romantic interest back in the first Jak & Daxter, but there is zero evidence that they had any children together. And if Jak had no children in the past, then he cannot be the original Mar. I think the Warrior in Rock Village finally got his act together and possibly had a descendant that would be the original Mar. Also remember that when Jak, Daxter, Samos, and Keira opened the Precursor Rift gate, That's when the Metal Heads or "Hora-Quan" first arrived in this world. Sandover Village would have been the first place they attacked, and they probably went from there to conquer the rest of the world from the Precursor Legacy, getting their hands on all the Dark Eco stores from Gol's Citadel and from Misty Island. The people would have had to use Eco to construct Haven City as a safe Haven from the Metal Head Menace. the younger Samos of the future aka the Shadow would have set up shop in the Ancient hut that was home to the older Samos. So maybe Dead Town was where the original Sandover Village was and was both the first place to be invaded by the Metal Heads and the last stand before Baron Praxis took over Haven City. Also, given the passage of time, the entire landscape of the Jak & Daxter Continent could have changed.
No. The Place the Metal Heads are first invading is the misty Island. I say that, because the area where you fight Kor in Jak 2 is actually the future version of the Misty Island. So my money is on them taking that first, and not the rock village.
Damn I've been waiting for this ever since I was a kid, awesome video man and I'm glad you included that deviant art picture too We need more Jak and Daxter stuff, platforming at its best!
Can we just get Jak 4? Imagine a massive open world Jak game with some top tier graphic/animation and has massive map, so massive you have all 3 cities from Jak 2, 3, and X. Also it undos the events of Lost Frontier and please actually make Kiera part of the main cast again. She said barely any words in Jak 3. Bring back the crew Naughty Dog, come on.
We can compare where the city is by looking at the main door at samos hut, and since we know that when we first see the hut in the second game we see it from the side we can determin that the map is correct
Would love an official map of the Jak and Daxter world with locations from Precursor Legacy, Jak II, Jak 3, Jak X, Daxter and The Lost Frontier all included. I doubt Naughty Dog would do that nowadays.
@@TheLastRaven6 no hes right it was only exclusive to handhelds until it was finally ported to play on ps2 which was from what ik was a bit of a fail to some people
@@joshey9913 What are you talking about?! You making shit up as well?! There was only Jak 1-3 and X and Daxter. This Jak Lost Frontier doesnt exsist. There is no war in ba sing sae.
I think Geyser Rock is the Pumping Station. I also think the location of the Metal Head Eggs mission in Jak 2 is in the Snowy Mountains. As for the wasteland, I think it's the remnant of everywhere else you visited in Jak 1 except for red sage hut.
Jak isn't "the" Mar, because Jak vanished from the timeline for a handful of years at the start of Jak 2. He's more like... Mar the 306th or something. He's part of Mar's lineage and happens to be named after him, but he isn't the original Mar, if that makes sense.
I think so too. Also if that were to happen it would be so confusing and complicated to the timeline. Jak is pretty smart, but he isn't a genius to create Haven City from past during the Human vs Metalhead War event. Plus it wouldn't make sense either. Because if he was "the" Mar. It would feel he's taking credit from his ancestor.
Great video. I'm pretty sure someone at Naughty Dog said that when they were making Haven City they were trying to base it off the world in Jak 1 but as they kept on creating the world they didn't really focus on basing the map of Haven City off the original game. But you can see that they tried to do it like having Samos's hut and the mountain areas you go too could be based off Snowy Mountain in the first game.
That can be debated: If they talk about the "Wasteland" in Jak 2, they mean the crater filled wasteland outside of Haven City's walls you can see in the distance - which unfortunately, is never elaborated. The Jak 3 wasteland was supposed to be this, yet, in the final game, the "Wasteland" in Jak 3 is a completely different location.
You did very well dodging the Crimson Guards haha. I loved that Ratchet and Clank billboard. The small crossover details made it fun to play both series.
Jak isn't the Mar who founded Haven city. It's explained in Jak 3 that Jak was originally named Mar by Damas, who was a direct descendant from the Mar who founded Haven, and ruled the city before being betrayed by Baron Praxis and cast out into the wasteland. He was renamed Jak in order to keep his identity a secret from those who wanted to kidnap him and attempt to harness his eco powers.
Jaks name is Mar, but no he is not the Mar, we can tell this from the fact that before damas died, he showed jak the red medallion and said it is "a symbol of our lineage to the great house of Mar", meaning that they are descendants of the original mar.
Yes. However, at the end of Jak 3, Jak asks to be called "Mar" since that was his original name. Then, Ashelin exclaims, "Wait, Jak is Mar? THE Mar?!" This question was left unanswered. So, whether he is or not, NaughtyDog clearly wants the audience to think that he is. If they finally make another game and Jak doesn't end up being the actual Mar, NaughtyDog is going to disappoint and/or underwhelm a lot of people. I think they know it too. I doubt that they would intend anything other than what Jak's actual first name implies.
were i to write jak 4, i would definitely explore the whole "Mar built haven city" thing as a full plotline. Jak probably gets sent back in time for (insert plot reason here) and stumbles upon an advanced version of sandover village, where they're getting better technology. jak then has to help defend the fledgling city, and help expansion into the water. mayhaps tell the tale of how the metalheads rose to be a prominent faction in the world and try to fend them off.
Iam verrry supersized that no one has ever mention/theorized this for so many years and it’s very interesting now hear me out ok precursor basin could indeed be haven forest I mean the flower from jak and dexter 1 that you help grow after killing the infected plants Could be the life tree in haven forest many years later wouldn’t it makes sense I mean that would mean Samos and jak literally created a paradox with the trees beginning as the flower and how his future self got his power to begin with from said same plant/tree in the future and Samos obviously knowing about this paradox when telling jak to clear out the infected plants in jak 1. Anyway also in jak 3 you have to clear out corrupted plants again witch is south of the same area of hevan forest witch has to be what was originally precursor basin witch also had infected plants And once again infected plants that has only happened in that area/map of the jak and dexter story/lore hmm? If true then this is pretty much like Zelda skyward sword with the tree thing and by the way yeah the life seed that Samos had in his hut he could have grabbed it from that same plant and placed it in his hut before leaving the past This is just something I thought I would bring up.
Cynical I just want to say this. SCREW THOSE PEOPLE THAT HATE YOUR NON-KH VIDEOS. You post whatever you want regardless of what those fools say. Your true fans will support you all the way, and I am proud to be one of them.
Your an idiot. pepole watch his ass to get entertained for the day. and some people THINK it's a kingdom hearts video everyday but really whatever he posts it's JUST for our entertainment morons
OMG OKAY! so go to EXPLORING THE PALACE mission in jak 2 right? then look out, there is that one island with dark eco. then an island between that and samos hut, see it? THE ECO MINING PLACE IS MISTY ISLAND AND THE OTHER PLACE IS GEYSER ROCK These 3 points allow you to figure out the rest. Just a discovery I found.
According to Tarka on Deviantart: "Well, I did a bit more mapping, the Strip Mine ISN'T Misty Island, I tried mapping it, it isn't, I thought it was too. I beat it when it came out too, but with all the Jak X hype coming about I decided to play it again, and then write a fanfic, I need the map to work some stuff out y'see." tarka.deviantart.com/art/Haven-City-map-19512485
I'd love to replay them but Jak 2 and 3 have 1 bs mission. Jak 2: destroy ship at drill platform. (TOO. MANY. GUARDS!) Jak 3: Pacman mission, Eco transport (missile chase) and of course the dark maker assault on spargus.
+MattTheHuman THANK YOU!! That mission is... ugh... It's one of the most frustrating missions of, like, any game ever. I dread that mission every time I replay Jak II... +KeybladeWielderXV The drill platform mission just kind of depends on your skills with the jetboard. The guards do get annoying, but if you're good enough and quick enough, you can just kind of make 2 circles around (one on each level) and take it down. It does take a little luck sometimes too though. If I'm thinking of the right mission. Where you destroy the big drill? And the Pacman mission is kind of the same deal. And I actually enjoy the Eco transport. I think it's fun, heh. The Dark Maker assault is pretty bad though yeah...
+Isaiah Leal-Wood that mission is a bit tough but it's doable. I was referring to the mission where u have to use those turrets to blow up all these jet troopers before taking on a giant ship.
Daemus from Jak 3 is related to Mar, and Jak is Daemus's lost son. Jak was taken from Daemus from the City Mayor and sent back in time because Jak was the righful
It seems like, they built a big barrier of walls with weights and floats, then drained the water using the Precursor chasms we learn are under haven city. Lurker Sharks would probably struggle as Metal Head fish start stealing their food. Even if the Metal Head water variants are smaller, they seem to be more superior as a species than lurkers and would eat all food and drive Lurkers off. I really want a game where we explore more of the world in Jak and Daxter, then how Haven City was built or just the technology they developed, then after Jak 3 when light eco has been found in better quantities, how they’d use it and rebuild haven city after everything in Jak 3.
Jak and Daxter Series - Haven City Factions: Jak II: •Krimzon Guard = Enemies •The Underground = Allies •Metal Heads = Enemies Jak 3: •Freedom League = Allies •KG Death Bots = Enemies •Metal Heads = Still Enemies •Dark Makers = Enemies
I think is says in the Jak 3 manual where it walks about Gol and Maia, it says "They're bee wondering down there for a couple hundred years" or something along those lines. So it is somewhere between 200 and 300 years between Jak 1 and 2.
Sandover Village became the Medieval part of Haven City that was destroyed by the various Metal Head species that were coming through the Rift Gate and was then dubbed as Dead Town but the newer rundown but still active Haven City was built over Sentinel Beach and the farm land next to Sandover Village and also Fire Canyon
+ZackTheGoldenKid 153 [OFFLINE] Kingdom Hearts is my favorite game ever but I also REALLY love Jak and Daxter. So I'm actually really glad that Cynical does too and is doing videos for it.
I think haven city was far bigger based on how much we see of ruins stretched out in the sand over area and could’ve possibly been a huge pert of the main continent
But why would anyone take on the impossible task of creating a whole city in the ocean when there's a whole continent of land right there to build on? Especially when there's an apocalypse of killer bugs literally everywhere. That's my biggest problem with this theory.
Samos hut being there doesn’t make sense unless you prescribe to the idea that Jak is THE Mar. Only an older Jak would build an urban area but keep a little hut that is out of time and doesn’t fit in the area.
I think the orientation of the hut is something you may have overlooked. If you look at Dead Town, the ruined portion going away from the city, faces the water. Comparing it to the shot in the Precursor Legacy, it lines up with the ocean along Sentinel Beach. My guess is dead town and the area nearby are developed versions of Sandover Village and Forbidden Jungle. Plus, the magma in Fire Canyon could've begun to cool over the roughly 300 years and allowed for a path to be cleared for the city, headed north. Of course, with the size and rectangular shape of Haven City, I personally believe it probably expands into some of the area that is originally ocean in Precursor Legacy and wealthy areas like the Stadium district may even go past the original Location of Gol and Maya's Citadel. Even if Naughty Dog doesnt make another Jak game, I think providing some clear lore on this would be awesome from them
+Kyle Fielding and yet we still see nothing of it anymore and it makes me so sad cause i would love for another jak and daxter game i miss that dynamic duo :(
It is stated within the game that they traveled into the future via the Precursor Ring, therefore the areas within J&D:TPL are no longer going to remain there as time passes and how Sandover became as it is in Jak II.
Maybe they used misty island in the making of the city. They could have used the dark eco reserves gol and mia were using as a source of power for the foundations of the city.
maybe the local villagers didn't want construction, so they built on the ocean, then it eventually spread into their small village. It would make sense jaks descendants are the founders of the city because the green sage hut is still preserved.
The lore on how far they traveled is really interesting, but generally it’s around 2-5k years. There are conflicting accounts and I do not know all of the information off of the top of head, but you can research it yourself
Reasons why the landscape doesn't quite match up, incorrect islands and such, could be to do with Precursor technology. In the first game we see Klaww using Precursor technology to produce massive boulders in seconds. It's not a stretch to say that the landscape could have been purposely altered in the time gap between the two games.
If you buy this on psn can you play it offline? Same with darksiders 1 and 2.?.? Or will i need constant connection. Thank you in advance for your answers.
The real way to find out if this map is accurate including Haven City where it is on the old map, is to look which way Samos's hut is facing, mainly the door.
Jak isn't Mar. He's Mar's Grandson. As you play Jak 2, you find out that the kid is the heir to Mar and Jak is that kid. Damas in Jak 3 is Jak's father. It's confusing, but you'll get it later on
I thought this video was fact comparing views from top of the forbidon forrest gol and maias citidel haven city palace ect with maps from both games and similarities to discover location any know a video more factual than all the i theories on this one
Note for all: pay attention to the final cutscene in jak 3. When jak claimed he wouldn't travel with the precursors and leave daxter behind(after the ship took off) he wasn't wearing mars armor (he was before the ship left) so I theorize that he went back in time and built haven city and also left the armor pieces of mar for jak to find again because of time paradoxes
@@Austin-bc1yh I don't think he was wearing the armor to begin with in that scene, I could be wrong, since it has been a few years since I have played that game.
The real question is: how the hell did they manage to build anything in that lurker shark infested water!?
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@Xantron actually, in Daxter you visit the fish cannery located in the docks. Lurker sharks aren't extinct, but clearly are now a food source for the masses. Including a larger, faster swimming variant that can jump as well as a Lurker shark megalodon, which could easily eat several troop transports in a single bite!
Greatly unsettling for anyone with a fear of large ocean predators. To this day, nothing gives me anxiety quite like that heartbeat sound of one closing in
@@s0urcl0ut it's possible that a earthquake or nature itself created the Haven City we see in Jak 2 and Jak 3. Lot things can happen within a few centuries.
@@kingnamor7777 Metal heads destroying an eco silo and creating the rift valley by Haven forest could drain enough water to build the walls. Maybe taking over Spider caves and eating the Red and Yellow Sages was enough eco to form Kor.
@@spencernoss6554 I agree with you on the part where the metalheads destory the eco silo and creating the rift Valley by Haven Forest and possibly drain enough water to build the wall. But I highly doubt the eco Sage's were eaten. They probably fought in the metalheads wars. But this is all in theory.
Like Daxter said , "The more you think about it, the more it hurts the head".
If you look at Samos' hut in the first game and compare the height and water level in the second game, you'll also notice that the sea level has dropped considerably. So it's possible that the lower sea level allowed for more development by revealing more land to build on.
Also not sure about Dead Town being the first part of Haven city necessarily. I just thought the buildings were old and crumbled because the metalheads had destroyed that part of the city first when the Baron decided to pull back. It's possible that Haven might be a metropolitan conglomerate of multiple villages and settlements in that area that eventually banded together to form a city.
Ugh that jak and daxter precursor legacy music....now I wanna play it again.
+RaginDXDemon You should! Go do it! DO IT NOW! :D
Derp lol :p
+Jordan Brown Lol! Get To The Choppa Now!
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Good thing I have the PS4 remakes
I always thought that way:
Mountain Temple = Forbidden Jungle
The Dig = Fire Canyon
Medal Head Nest = Misty Island
Pumping Station = Sentinel Beach
Dead Town = Sandover Village
+Daxtery Toon (Cypher) Yeah, that's pretty much how I always thought of it too.
Gotta admit though, that map makes a heck of a lot more sense... I mean, Forbidden Jungle wasn't as far from Sandover Village as Mountain Temple is to Dead Town. That's kind of the clincher to me.
+Daxtery Toon (Cypher) Same!!!!
I always though that the Strip Mine was Misty Island. Perhaps, I thought that because you can see it off in the distance from the Palace. It's an eco-rich island in the middle of nowhere.
Misty Island is more likely the Strip Mine due to their shared island location and large amounts of dark eco. The Pumping Station is probably Geyser Rock when you look at the distance from Dead Town. The Port seems to be (at least thematically) Rock Village due to the bay shape the fact that it's the first section you unlock (With the Zoomer in 1 and a Security Pass in 2) and the Hip Hog Saloon (the Hip Hog being Bogy Billy's pet in the first game). The Underport seems to be a reinterpretation of the Underwater Precursor City.
I wonder if the Farm area was inspired by the Valley area after the battle with Klaw?
I thought about this a lot. I've alway wondered whether the similarities were supposed to be foreshadowing for the Samo's Hut reveal.
Tarka states that he thought The Strip Mine was Misty Island but then he states emphatically it's not: tarka.deviantart.com/art/Haven-City-map-19512485
You get a decent overview during that one flying mission in Jak 3. You can pretty much see the entire world map in full 3D there - Even Misty Island just off of the harbor.
Thats the strip mine
@AramDaSpade Maybe it was misty island?
In the Jak 3 manual it says that Gol and Maia were in the precursor catacombs for a couple hundred years (2 hundred years). Jak put them there at the end of Precursor Legacy. That puts Jak 2 200 years after Precursor Legacy
seriously? That's awesome if that is true.
They must have had an eco revolution in the time between Jak 1 and Jak 2 then
@@Flesh_Wizard I mean, they were basically on the verge of an industrial revolution in the first game, after all.
I read in an old Playstation magazine also saying it was 200 years in the future.
This blew my mind. Never would've guessed haven was built in the water. Trying to connect the games is really hard and interesting.
I assume that if Jak 4 is ever made it will involve him traveling back in time and founding haven city
I thought Jak 4 was out
+mateo zenon no its not
I guess I am thinking of Jak 3
I can see that happening. It could be his Mar origin story though I can see J&D:TLFs story to make it slightly harder.
+Notsosmartguy 625 God I hope that's not the case because then that would mean he stays in the past and becomes his own grandfather or something. And regardless of whether what I just said happens or not, Jak going back in time and founding haven city would still be the ending of the series forever because there' be nothing left to do! Because in Jak II the statues of Mar clearly depict someone much older than the Jak we all know thus that would mean if Jak time traveled again he didn't come back!
That's definitely the original Haven City. Remember Torn what Torn said about "before" when he was a crimson guard? The metal heads assaulted and the new barrier was built and recreated inside the walls. And Samos somehow stayed behind and stopped the attack but by then the new city was probably built and they just abandonned the ruins.
the precursor basin is the dig, wow that explains the lurker totem pole being underground and it was an ancient artifact when lurkers ruled the land above
they buried it, and when brutter said i know all caves from the back of his claw, and when he mentioned mars tomb, he said "knowhere there", that means he knows the dig was where his territory was and the tomb of mar was far away on the ocean
I'm confused. What's the basin again? Is that the final level in jak1?
@@magicmanscott40k
No, the Precursor Basin is one of the levels in the Rock Village hub area. The Geologist asks you to guide the moles back to their hole, and the Gambler wants you to beat the time trial. Samos also asks you to heal the plants with green eco.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld oh gotcha. If that's the dig, that's depressing as fuck. Especially if it's a dark economy factory.
I always felt that Damas named Jak after Mar just because Damas was probably ruler of Haven City at the time of Jak's birth and wanted his son's name to be important just as Damas was, so he named him Mar out of tribute. And that THE Mar is someone else entirely.
I think it's more likely that Damas and Jak are descendants of Mar and the name has been passed down through the family.
@@AstralMuffin105 I agree with your statement and other guy too.
Looking back at this video, it makes sense for Haven City to be built where it is. We see in the beginning of Jak 2 after the giant precursor rift gate lets the metal heads in. Which means over time as the metal heads grew in numbers, the villagers couldn't stay on the main land and had to venture off into into the ocean. Samos's being the best decision as green eco would help sustain the villagers even without food (at least thats how i think it works) where as rock village, although is also surrounded by water, may have been too dangerous with the amount of dark eco reservoirs there are in the lost precursor city for the metal heads and whatever evil lurkers were still present. Samos's just seems the most ideal location to build a new city from when you have a constant source of life energy to keep you going.
If you travel to the top of the barrens palace there is a distinct island that is foggy and jagged most likely to be misty island. And from there you can pin point where the first jak and daxter scenery or map would be. I my self was curious where the city had fallen on the original map.
I would love to see Jak 2/3 type of game in the map of Jak 1 and Jak w combined, with All the structures from Jak 1 (Forbidden Jungle, Mountain Pass, etc)
ItsRK360 me too
ItsRKHere awesome game
Fortress Color
•Krimzon Guard = Red
•Freedom League = Blue
Jak 1 is now on PC so it might happen with mods
What always bothered me, is,
After the first game,
You never see misty island again… if the lurkers turned good after gol and maya lost influence over them, wouldn’t misty island be a chill place?
If you took a boat there, you’d probably be welcomed with milk and cookies after the events of the first game…. So why can’t we go back?!?!?
It would’ve been cool to see it again from a not so spooky point of view
I like to think that Misty Island is a Lurker village after the first game was over. They probably fought against the Metalheads and humans during the Metalhead Wars.
It might be swarmed by Metal Heads though :(
Can't we use the orientation of Samos' hut to get the position of Haven city? The door to the hut faces Sandover (J&D) and also towards Haven in J&DII. Although that'll require checking and some more careful measurements.
It does say how much time has passed , if I remember correctly, Keira or Samos says 500 years. I could be wrong its been a while since I've played it
My real question is how the hell did they move the Rift Rider from Gol and Maia’s Citadel all the way to Samos’s hut
Probably with the Zoomer and lots of rope🤔.
Nobody has ever asked this. I think they used a big transporter.
This is just a theory, but at the start of the second game, Daxter says that him and Jak did all the heavy lifting. On top of that, red eco makes you stronger and they had the other three sages there with them. So perhaps Jak and possibly Daxter as well, both powered up on red eco and literally carried it back home, with the help of the sages. Maybe some of the civilians along the way as well.
@@MrDamakoEndurance Could also have been the same way they moved it in Jak 2 with a lurker balloon. But I don't think they were friendly until the future.
I've been wondering this since I was a kid lol
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Rachet and Clank
lol
Oh my god i never noticed that
Just thinking that poor Piranha plant was just left alone after they used the warp gate.... r.i.p. my dude piranha plant.
Maybe those flying Metal Heads exiting the Rift Gate killed the plant instantly
Jak was named Mar by his father: Damas. Damas named him after his ancestor: Mar. I really don't think Jak is the same Mar that founded Haven City. He can't be his own great great great grandfather, Keira might have been his romantic interest back in the first Jak & Daxter, but there is zero evidence that they had any children together. And if Jak had no children in the past, then he cannot be the original Mar. I think the Warrior in Rock Village finally got his act together and possibly had a descendant that would be the original Mar. Also remember that when Jak, Daxter, Samos, and Keira opened the Precursor Rift gate, That's when the Metal Heads or "Hora-Quan" first arrived in this world. Sandover Village would have been the first place they attacked, and they probably went from there to conquer the rest of the world from the Precursor Legacy, getting their hands on all the Dark Eco stores from Gol's Citadel and from Misty Island. The people would have had to use Eco to construct Haven City as a safe Haven from the Metal Head Menace. the younger Samos of the future aka the Shadow would have set up shop in the Ancient hut that was home to the older Samos. So maybe Dead Town was where the original Sandover Village was and was both the first place to be invaded by the Metal Heads and the last stand before Baron Praxis took over Haven City. Also, given the passage of time, the entire landscape of the Jak & Daxter Continent could have changed.
jak goes back in time at the end of jak 3 during a cut scene he is mar
+lildominator2 He pops back in literally 10 seconds later...
it would only be like a second for Daxter and the rest of them
No. The Place the Metal Heads are first invading is the misty Island. I say that, because the area where you fight Kor in Jak 2 is actually the future version of the Misty Island. So my money is on them taking that first, and not the rock village.
+TheScyle That actually makes a lot of sense. They still would have had time to take Rock Village and everything up to Gol's Citadel.
Damn I've been waiting for this ever since I was a kid, awesome video man and I'm glad you included that deviant art picture too
We need more Jak and Daxter stuff, platforming at its best!
Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "of course"
Additionally, if you're looking to poison yourself, take a shot for every "actually" said
Take a shot everytime you’re about to lose a world war
Can we just get Jak 4? Imagine a massive open world Jak game with some top tier graphic/animation and has massive map, so massive you have all 3 cities from Jak 2, 3, and X. Also it undos the events of Lost Frontier and please actually make Kiera part of the main cast again. She said barely any words in Jak 3. Bring back the crew Naughty Dog, come on.
We can compare where the city is by looking at the main door at samos hut, and since we know that when we first see the hut in the second game we see it from the side we can determin that the map is correct
Would love an official map of the Jak and Daxter world with locations from Precursor Legacy, Jak II, Jak 3, Jak X, Daxter and The Lost Frontier all included. I doubt Naughty Dog would do that nowadays.
Lost frontier? The hell is that? there was only Jak 1 2 3, daxter and Jak X, You making shit up mate.
@@TheLastRaven6 no hes right it was only exclusive to handhelds until it was finally ported to play on ps2 which was from what ik was a bit of a fail to some people
@@joshey9913 What are you talking about?! You making shit up as well?! There was only Jak 1-3 and X and Daxter. This Jak Lost Frontier doesnt exsist. There is no war in ba sing sae.
@@TheLastRaven6 I hope this is sarcasm
@@joshey9913 I figured the No war in bae sing sae would give it away.
I think Geyser Rock is the Pumping Station. I also think the location of the Metal Head Eggs mission in Jak 2 is in the Snowy Mountains. As for the wasteland, I think it's the remnant of everywhere else you visited in Jak 1 except for red sage hut.
Jak isn't "the" Mar, because Jak vanished from the timeline for a handful of years at the start of Jak 2. He's more like... Mar the 306th or something. He's part of Mar's lineage and happens to be named after him, but he isn't the original Mar, if that makes sense.
I think so too. Also if that were to happen it would be so confusing and complicated to the timeline. Jak is pretty smart, but he isn't a genius to create Haven City from past during the Human vs Metalhead War event. Plus it wouldn't make sense either. Because if he was "the" Mar. It would feel he's taking credit from his ancestor.
Great video. I'm pretty sure someone at Naughty Dog said that when they were making Haven City they were trying to base it off the world in Jak 1 but as they kept on creating the world they didn't really focus on basing the map of Haven City off the original game. But you can see that they tried to do it like having Samos's hut and the mountain areas you go too could be based off Snowy Mountain in the first game.
real question is where is Spargus city and the wasteland located on this map
That can be debated:
If they talk about the "Wasteland" in Jak 2, they mean the crater filled wasteland outside of Haven City's walls you can see in the distance - which unfortunately, is never elaborated. The Jak 3 wasteland was supposed to be this, yet, in the final game, the "Wasteland" in Jak 3 is a completely different location.
Danger Joe you still talking about jak and daxter lore?
@@Tony-yn5rr .
Good question
@@dangerjoe8911 pretty sure "the wasteland" is a generic term for everywhere outside Haven City or Spargus, rather than a designated location.
You did very well dodging the Crimson Guards haha. I loved that Ratchet and Clank billboard. The small crossover details made it fun to play both series.
6:55 kinda resembles Rock Village.
+Esteban Menchaca I thought some parts of haven city surrounded snowy mountain because the mountain you see in haven city
It does now that you mention it. Huh.
This was a good, well done change of pace:) Nice video man!
Heaven City in Spain this is Villa Refugio
Jak isn't the Mar who founded Haven city. It's explained in Jak 3 that Jak was originally named Mar by Damas, who was a direct descendant from the Mar who founded Haven, and ruled the city before being betrayed by Baron Praxis and cast out into the wasteland. He was renamed Jak in order to keep his identity a secret from those who wanted to kidnap him and attempt to harness his eco powers.
at 5:00 you can see a ratchet and clank sign and top you can see the naughty dog picture with the city's own different language
Yup. However, it's not a separate language. It's English, just with a different alphabet.
+Jak Mar DUDE awesome photo
Mathew Patten Thanks.
300 years according to the strategy guide if I remember correctly
Jaks name is Mar, but no he is not the Mar, we can tell this from the fact that before damas died, he showed jak the red medallion and said it is "a symbol of our lineage to the great house of Mar", meaning that they are descendants of the original mar.
Yes. However, at the end of Jak 3, Jak asks to be called "Mar" since that was his original name. Then, Ashelin exclaims, "Wait, Jak is Mar? THE Mar?!" This question was left unanswered. So, whether he is or not, NaughtyDog clearly wants the audience to think that he is. If they finally make another game and Jak doesn't end up being the actual Mar, NaughtyDog is going to disappoint and/or underwhelm a lot of people. I think they know it too. I doubt that they would intend anything other than what Jak's actual first name implies.
Jak Mar Actually, the question *is* answered by Seem nodding silently in the background.
@@stevenhiggins3055 Seem nodded before Ashelin finished her sentence.
were i to write jak 4, i would definitely explore the whole "Mar built haven city" thing as a full plotline.
Jak probably gets sent back in time for (insert plot reason here) and stumbles upon an advanced version of sandover village, where they're getting better technology.
jak then has to help defend the fledgling city, and help expansion into the water. mayhaps tell the tale of how the metalheads rose to be a prominent faction in the world and try to fend them off.
It does state how many years in the future they are, in many booklets and by word of lead dev we know that it takes place 300 years in the future
Iam verrry supersized that no one has ever mention/theorized this for so many years and it’s very interesting now hear me out ok precursor basin could indeed be haven forest I mean the flower from jak and dexter 1 that you help grow after killing the infected plants Could be the life tree in haven forest many years later wouldn’t it makes sense
I mean that would mean Samos and jak literally created a paradox with the trees beginning as the flower and how his future self got his power to begin with from said same plant/tree in the future and Samos obviously knowing about this paradox when telling jak to clear out the infected plants in jak 1.
Anyway also in jak 3 you have to clear out corrupted plants again witch is south of the same area of hevan forest witch has to be what was originally precursor basin witch also had infected plants
And once again infected plants that has only happened in that area/map of the jak and dexter story/lore hmm? If true then this is pretty much like Zelda skyward sword with the tree thing and by the way yeah the life seed that Samos had in his hut he could have grabbed it from that same plant and placed it in his hut before leaving the past This is just something I thought I would bring up.
I have been dying for someone to theorize on this subject and you did it! Thank you!
Cynical I just want to say this. SCREW THOSE PEOPLE THAT HATE YOUR NON-KH VIDEOS. You post whatever you want regardless of what those fools say. Your true fans will support you all the way, and I am proud to be one of them.
lol
Pon Pon I'm confused? Did I misspell something, was it a grammatical error?
I used ''You'' as in, you guys.
Your an idiot. pepole watch his ass to get entertained for the day. and some people THINK it's a kingdom hearts video everyday but really whatever he posts it's JUST for our entertainment morons
+Steven Cruz it's not JUST for our entertainment, but I get where you're coming from
+Jareth Carpenter I was wat ch ing hentai then u reply to my comment hahaha
OMG OKAY!
so go to EXPLORING THE PALACE mission in jak 2 right?
then look out, there is that one island with dark eco. then an island between that and samos hut, see it?
THE ECO MINING PLACE IS MISTY ISLAND AND THE OTHER PLACE IS GEYSER ROCK These 3 points allow you to figure out the rest.
Just a discovery I found.
According to Tarka on Deviantart:
"Well, I did a bit more mapping, the Strip Mine ISN'T Misty Island, I tried mapping it, it isn't, I thought it was too.
I beat it when it came out too, but with all the Jak X hype coming about I decided to play it again, and then write a fanfic, I need the map to work some stuff out y'see."
tarka.deviantart.com/art/Haven-City-map-19512485
The Strip Mine may be Geyser Rock.
Dammit now i have to replay...all of them
I'd love to replay them but Jak 2 and 3 have 1 bs mission.
Jak 2: destroy ship at drill platform. (TOO. MANY. GUARDS!)
Jak 3: Pacman mission, Eco transport (missile chase) and of course the dark maker assault on spargus.
+KeybladeWielderXV I agree with you.. Eco transport is fucking hell
+KeybladeWielderXV For me the worst Jak 2 mission is getting the seal piece in the slums.
+MattTheHuman THANK YOU!! That mission is... ugh... It's one of the most frustrating missions of, like, any game ever. I dread that mission every time I replay Jak II...
+KeybladeWielderXV The drill platform mission just kind of depends on your skills with the jetboard. The guards do get annoying, but if you're good enough and quick enough, you can just kind of make 2 circles around (one on each level) and take it down. It does take a little luck sometimes too though. If I'm thinking of the right mission. Where you destroy the big drill?
And the Pacman mission is kind of the same deal. And I actually enjoy the Eco transport. I think it's fun, heh. The Dark Maker assault is pretty bad though yeah...
+Isaiah Leal-Wood that mission is a bit tough but it's doable. I was referring to the mission where u have to use those turrets to blow up all these jet troopers before taking on a giant ship.
Comparison of the Haven City Map.
Daemus from Jak 3 is related to Mar, and Jak is Daemus's lost son. Jak was taken from Daemus from the City Mayor and sent back in time because Jak was the righful
It seems like, they built a big barrier of walls with weights and floats, then drained the water using the Precursor chasms we learn are under haven city.
Lurker Sharks would probably struggle as Metal Head fish start stealing their food. Even if the Metal Head water variants are smaller, they seem to be more superior as a species than lurkers and would eat all food and drive Lurkers off.
I really want a game where we explore more of the world in Jak and Daxter, then how Haven City was built or just the technology they developed, then after Jak 3 when light eco has been found in better quantities, how they’d use it and rebuild haven city after everything in Jak 3.
I thought Jak was just royalty and born into the house of Mar.
That is true. He is royalty, not he actual Mar.
Karramae Hagai Seem disagrees.
Idk why i understood Samus like from Metroid when you mention samos
You can look at the Jak and Daxter wiki for Mar. It says that Jak is a distant descendant of the original Mar, and that Jak was named after him.
Jak and Daxter Series - Haven City Factions:
Jak II:
•Krimzon Guard = Enemies
•The Underground = Allies
•Metal Heads = Enemies
Jak 3:
•Freedom League = Allies
•KG Death Bots = Enemies
•Metal Heads = Still Enemies
•Dark Makers = Enemies
@Mr. Anonymous there I've just found one
What about the spargus wastelanders and the marauders?
They're both at the desert area.
I think is says in the Jak 3 manual where it walks about Gol and Maia, it says "They're bee wondering down there for a couple hundred years" or something along those lines. So it is somewhere between 200 and 300 years between Jak 1 and 2.
Sa-mus? It’s SAY-MOS!!!
Sandover Village became the Medieval part of Haven City that was destroyed by the various Metal Head species that were coming through the Rift Gate and was then dubbed as Dead Town but the newer rundown but still active Haven City was built over Sentinel Beach and the farm land next to Sandover Village and also Fire Canyon
nice video man love these jak and daxter discussions
No one has complained that this is a non kh video yet and people are already in defense mode lol No dislikes yet
still waiting for someone to complain
ZackTheGoldenKid 153 [OFFLINE] I'm pretty sure a troll will do it just to mess with people. You're right, I'm waiting for that xD
No one is going to complain about Jak and Daxter. Jesus, you fans are like some puny warriors working for free.
+Balta Bueno lol still waiting for someone he love kingdom Hearts
+ZackTheGoldenKid 153 [OFFLINE] Kingdom Hearts is my favorite game ever but I also REALLY love Jak and Daxter. So I'm actually really glad that Cynical does too and is doing videos for it.
I always thought the Mountain Temple was part of the Forbidden Jungle from Precursor Legacy.
Nice change of pace from the usual KH videos, can you cover fallout?
They go a) back in time and b) within Jak's lifetime that's the kid and c) the old town IS Sandover Village
Sorry point b is wrong ugh time travel
+MegaSceptile2002 They traveled to the future, not to the past
+Daniel Soliz Jak and Samos did go to the past they're from the future
The cutscene when jack was being pumped with dark eco it said it had been 2 years
So the underground mine is apparently underneath the Precursor Basin... interesting.
WOW as soon as I saw rock village on the map the shark sounds kicked in like I was playing the game again NOSTALGIA
amazing video, always thought of this growing up
I think haven city was far bigger based on how much we see of ruins stretched out in the sand over area and could’ve possibly been a huge pert of the main continent
But why would anyone take on the impossible task of creating a whole city in the ocean when there's a whole continent of land right there to build on? Especially when there's an apocalypse of killer bugs literally everywhere. That's my biggest problem with this theory.
Finally someone bringing up what everyone was thinking, great video mate!
I LOVE the Jak and Daxter trilogy games!!! I'm so playing them again once I get some organization going.
Great video :) I love Jak franchise keep them up :)
Samos hut being there doesn’t make sense unless you prescribe to the idea that Jak is THE Mar. Only an older Jak would build an urban area but keep a little hut that is out of time and doesn’t fit in the area.
Isnt jak 2 a pre and a sequel?
That would mean that the city got fully destroyed which happend in Jak 3
And nature did the rest
I think the orientation of the hut is something you may have overlooked. If you look at Dead Town, the ruined portion going away from the city, faces the water. Comparing it to the shot in the Precursor Legacy, it lines up with the ocean along Sentinel Beach. My guess is dead town and the area nearby are developed versions of Sandover Village and Forbidden Jungle. Plus, the magma in Fire Canyon could've begun to cool over the roughly 300 years and allowed for a path to be cleared for the city, headed north. Of course, with the size and rectangular shape of Haven City, I personally believe it probably expands into some of the area that is originally ocean in Precursor Legacy and wealthy areas like the Stadium district may even go past the original Location of Gol and Maya's Citadel. Even if Naughty Dog doesnt make another Jak game, I think providing some clear lore on this would be awesome from them
The wiki for the game suggests "Over 500 years" based on the discovery of the hut, but I'm not sure where they got that info from.
It is a shame the devs didn't make Haven on the original world. I like new places, but it would be cool if they made it so that we could recognize it.
Jak And Daxter: One Of The Best Sony Series Along With Rachet And Clank, Ape Escape, Little Big Planet, And Crash Bandicoot
+Kyle Fielding and yet we still see nothing of it anymore and it makes me so sad cause i would love for another jak and daxter game
i miss that dynamic duo :(
It is stated within the game that they traveled into the future via the Precursor Ring, therefore the areas within J&D:TPL are no longer going to remain there as time passes and how Sandover became as it is in Jak II.
Huh... the dig site is where the Precursor Basin was... How interesting.
Maybe they used misty island in the making of the city. They could have used the dark eco reserves gol and mia were using as a source of power for the foundations of the city.
2:09 oh shit Samus the bounty hunter had a hut?
I think the music is the one from the 2nd boss
I think I saw something in a magazine about the time difference of Jak 1 and 2 saying it was about 500 years. I am not entirely sure though.
maybe the local villagers didn't want construction, so they built on the ocean, then it eventually spread into their small village. It would make sense jaks descendants are the founders of the city because the green sage hut is still preserved.
The waterfall on the map of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy still confuses me.
Woo love your Jak and Daxter videos!
it's obivously near jak's home because of them finding the sages house later on in jak 2
This is a very interesting topic nvr thought about it :D
The lore on how far they traveled is really interesting, but generally it’s around 2-5k years. There are conflicting accounts and I do not know all of the information off of the top of head, but you can research it yourself
Reasons why the landscape doesn't quite match up, incorrect islands and such, could be to do with Precursor technology. In the first game we see Klaww using Precursor technology to produce massive boulders in seconds. It's not a stretch to say that the landscape could have been purposely altered in the time gap between the two games.
These discussions and theories just go to deep
If you buy this on psn can you play it offline? Same with darksiders 1 and 2.?.? Or will i need constant connection. Thank you in advance for your answers.
Is Geyser Rock the Pumping Station
You ever look at the entire layout to haven city? There's a lot of places we didn't even get to. It's just viewable from the palace
The real way to find out if this map is accurate including Haven City where it is on the old map, is to look which way Samos's hut is facing, mainly the door.
Fascinating.
Jak isn't Mar. He's Mar's Grandson. As you play Jak 2, you find out that the kid is the heir to Mar and Jak is that kid. Damas in Jak 3 is Jak's father. It's confusing, but you'll get it later on
The menu in jak 2 shows the USA and a dot near Florida so I guess that's where it is
300 years into the future. Not stated in game directly but the number 300 is referenced several times in official sources
I thought this video was fact comparing views from top of the forbidon forrest gol and maias citidel haven city palace ect with maps from both games and similarities to discover location any know a video more factual than all the i theories on this one
Note for all: pay attention to the final cutscene in jak 3. When jak claimed he wouldn't travel with the precursors and leave daxter behind(after the ship took off) he wasn't wearing mars armor (he was before the ship left) so I theorize that he went back in time and built haven city and also left the armor pieces of mar for jak to find again because of time paradoxes
And because of the way time works he was abke to come back in fractions of a second
@@Austin-bc1yh I don't think he was wearing the armor to begin with in that scene, I could be wrong, since it has been a few years since I have played that game.