I see the Queen much like a computer program. Like Agent Smith. She uses a body, but the body being destroyed doesn't destroy the program which exists as long as their is Borg hardware out there to support her.
What if the start of the Borg began with a mother trying to save her daughter from a disease and she stole medical equipment even forcing medical personnel to comply with helping her in order to treat her daughter. The daughter is what the queen started out as, and the various other queens are all programmed to continue the daughter's life. ??? I started writing a fan fiction book about this, but I had to stop due to working too much.
@@SuperMasterTurtle The usual trope would be for the daughter dying anyway, the mother going insane and keep trying to find her in those close to her, until her self becomes so diluted it just become the need to assimilate more.
I recall the Borg Queen scoffing at Picard for not understanding how she's still around after the destruction of her cube. She said something to the effect about how "3 dimensional" he thinks. From that, I gather that the Queen exist simultaneously on EVERY ship all at once. We only see one facet of her at a time. The individual bodies she inhabits doesn't mean she really dies along with that body; another part of her exist on every other Borg cube.
I would say she would be a waste on every cube! And we know for a fact she's not on every cube! My guess is she's a internal program that can pop up when it's needed in any cube if needed! Or whatever she wants! So I'm agreeing with you but adding something to it! Already having her on a ship would be inefficient if she wasn't needed their assimilation and efficiency is there defining characteristic!
I think either it's one queen who exists in every moment in time non-liniarly, so every cube has the same queen, but some will have a younger queen while others might have an older version of the same queen, or every cube has it's own separate queen that organizes the drones within the cube, but is herself networked with all the other queens to some sort of Empress or Hyper-Queen that oversees the cubes the way a queen oversees the drones.
@@BrianEthridge-wk6hz I feel the need to make sure you understand the difference between a period, exclamation mark, and a question mark, and how they are perceived. Your use of exclamation points makes it looks like you're either screaming calmly, or way too excited to the point your pissing yourself while typing.
Honestly, the introduction of the Borg queen was the start of the decline of the Borg as a scary enemy. One of the big factors in making the Borg scary originally was how strange they are and the queen just turned them into another insect hive variant.
Which would be more accurate in a real world sense, insects or insect like species would be what we would come across quite a bit out there if we ever traveled the stars 🌟
@pnorbert2222 Locutus literally means “he who speaks” in Latin. It made sense they would want a single voice as the cacophony of voices would be something humans aren’t receptive to
Perhaps the head of intelligence and processing the queen provides wouldnt of killed the fear overall. Perhaps a weakness tho. What really kills the borg was the queen having so much emotion, individuality, and ability to make mistakes (seemingly).
The queen in insects isn't actually a leader though, she's the means of the hive reproducing, the heart, not the head. The borg queen is likewise not a leader, but more akin to an admin. She moniters the collective and allocates resources to given tasks.
Temporal awareness refers to the fact that the borg queen can detect changes to the timeline and have knowledge of other timelines that she remembers, the borg queen survived first contact because in star trek enterprise some drones got revived and sent a signal to the collective which results in the future being changed where the borg queen stayed in the delta quadrent to deal with species 8472 instead of trying to assimilate earth herself. admiral janeway then infected her with a necrolytic pathagen that disrupted the borg queen's organic and cybernetic connections freeing the collective from her control though she escaped with what few borg drones she retained control over. she spent the latter 30 years consuming the organic parts of her drones to replenish her own organic parts plotting her revenge
That awareness probably was achieved by the assimilation of some of Guinan's people being assimilated (since the El-Aurians were refugees from Borg attacks). The problem being that the Borg drones cannot really send a message to the Delta Quadrant, because the Borg needs to develop a certain technology that it needs to contact their "home base" in the Delta Quadrant and it would only work on the Enterprise E's deflector dish. This would imply that it's ONLY a technology that might work on a very specific type of technology, since the Enterprise E's technology would be a multiple CENTURIES of technological advancement BEYOND what Earth had at the time (and since the Federation and Starfleet didn't exist yet, and the first warp flight still had to take place). Drones in itself do not have the capability to "call back home" across quadrants. It's unsure if Borg cubes have that capability, either.
@@carrollsanders9376 she predates the nanoprobes, she is more akin to a created individual to act as the director of all the minds linked to the collective the command system, she also happened to be the system that kept the minds in the collective. when the queen was struck with the neurolytic pathogen, all the drones were ejected from the collective as it collapsed around them as the queen's connection to most of them was broken hense why she says "you left us poisoned alone with nothing to consume" meaning you "left us sick, disconnected from the collective and unable to assimilate new species" and this is why she was in the state she was in when in picard season 3. this is why the drones on the artifact were being freed from their borg tech and put in stasis in their regeneration alcoves. all of them were disconnected from the collective
I think they were once a species with individual minds that are experts in cybernetics. However, like other species, they are constantly fighting with each other over many things like ideas, resources, etc. Until one day, one of the Borg decided to forcefully unite all of them under one mind and end all individuality so that there will be no more conflict among themselves and thus no more suffering from fighting and misunderstandings. Now they have only one mind and one purpose: assimilate all other species to end all individual conflicts and achieve perfection by incorporating the strengths of other species.
Nobody knows what their origins are, and it was indicated in the Vaudwaar (Voyager episode) that they were once a very weak species, but something happened in the Borg's past that led to the Borg losing their knowledge of where they came from and who they were. The Vaudwaar was part of a multi-species alliance that resisted against the Borg when they were still weak, if I recall the information correctly.
However, there might still be a way that one can figure out their history. It's made quite easy by the fact that the Borg has a classification system for all the species they assimilate, so a Federation historian might be able to trace their original home (or potential origins) back by simply getting access to the Borg classification scheme, cross referencing that with the path of assimilation and figure out where the potential point of origin MIGHT be.
@@sigmacademy good idea. if they had that info they could also (possibly) figure out how to stop the Borg assimilation process by seeing how they over came each species
Or maybe it was an AI made for war that got out of control and saw biological life as chaotic. Like the reapers from Mass Effect using other species as thralls and based their actions on the fact that advanced sentient life always ends up always advancing to the point of creating some kind of synthetic organism that then turns on them and then they turned on their masters and would make themselves in the original form of their masters as well. :3 or something :3
@@DekkarJr I don't think borg fit AI by definition, AI would seek to improve itself as any other intelligence do. However borg only seek to assimilate - they don't create/invent things, they just take it and repurpose it for their directives. I think borg is kind of rogue program, maybe product of failed attempt to create true AI, which took it's programming to literal. E.g. if they indeed were weak species, they maybe produce it as form of defense, but due to poor understanding of programming and eagerness they implement directives which were interpreted by program quite differently to original intent. But i think it's far from AI. On other hand it's quite possible the queen is form of AI which was assimilated later on or just product of assimilating the intelligence - biologics. Something like trying to upload a AutoCad to calculator. It would be heavily corrupted but if the hardware of calculator was still intact it would work to some degree - same as the intelligence added to original borg hardware, it was just corrupted and melded with original programming of borg.
The ONLY complaint I have, is the Narrator, Mispronouncing Picard's, Borg Name ! In TNG, it's pronounced, Low -Cute -us, not Low-cut-us! Funniest comment I've ever heard, was : "Funny, they don't look Scandinavian!
I really wanted to see the Picard season 1 Jerati Queen fight the OG Borg Queen in Picard Season 3. I feel like they set it up and choked on the finish line. Also, it's pronounced "Low-Cute-Us" not "Low-Cut-Us".
@@damianstarks3338 how many times have they said resistance is futile and been defeated think about it if Resistance is futile then that means nothing you can do will stop the borg yet the Borg are stopped by humanity time and time again sure the Borg are relentless but resistance is not futile it is far from it if your adaptive enough to handle them
Yea Queeny always knew humanity are her downfall, "resistance is futile" is an attempt at intimidation she knows it aint true as explained by the temporal connection scene with Jurati!
I always thought that they never did enough with the Borg. They were a terrifying entity but were given this annoying trait of not assimilating you if you didn't threaten them so you could walk among them as long as you minded your own business. The Queen should have been just as emotionless as the drones while still having the "leadership" role to control the hive. her ability to interact while being utterly soulless could and should have made her THE most terrifying creature in the galaxy.
Since each introduction of the Queen has her descending from above to be connected to her body it seems to be a thing the collective does to facilitate the connection between each other. It is likely that each Cube does have either the ability to generate a Queen or have one, but the reason we don't always see them is because the purpose is facilitating information between the larger collective with the transwarp hubs. So there are probably 4 permanent Queens for the 4 transwarp hubs we see mentioned in Voyager.
For me I always assumed she was a sort of network switch at the centre of the collective directing data where it was needed, and that function gives her the appearance of individuality; but in fact when she talks in the first person she is speaking with the voice of all the Borg .
My theory about the Borg queen follows the ideas of Ann Leckie's Imperial Radch series. There, the Emperor is a single cloned body, with each imperial palace having several versions of him in various ages. The Empire has a technology that allows consciousness -- natural or artificial -- to overwrite a human brain. This is how the Emperor remains (in theory) the same being in many different bodies: he sends copies of himself to other palaces, where the knowledge and experience gets "synced." I don't think it implausible to think the Borg have something similar. One body, deemed to have the correct physical and mental capabilities, is designated the queen (or king, just because the current one is female does not mean they were or will be always female.) That body is cloned, with each ship having one and running that ship. They will occasionally meet up to sync their experiences, becoming in effect a single consciousness spread out across multiple bodies. (With subspace tech in the Star Trek universe, this might even be done in close to real time; the Imperial Radch does not have faster than light communications.) So destroying one queen will destroy the drones in the current ship, but not the whole Collective. Which opens a very interesting possibility (spoilers for the Radch series) of the queen having different "legacies" of herself, with each legacy having different views and effectively at war with the others. That would certainly explain why Borg Queen Agnes had command of one subsection of the Collective but, apparently, not all. It also opens the possibility that there are other genetic manifestations of the Collective, not just the one queen but dozens or hundreds of different cloned bodies, each representing a "nation" within the Borg. There is lots and lots of potential beneath what is officially canon.
It's unlikely that there is a "king", because the Borg Collective was modelled on a beehive structure and organization. That would mean that you would only have the Queen, the warriors and the workers. "not just the one queen but dozens or hundreds of different cloned bodies, each representing a "nation" within the Borg. There is lots and lots of potential beneath what is officially canon." Not really. The guiding philosophy of the Borg is the unified oneness of their "species". There would be NO "nations", because that would run counter to what the Borg is and the single voice that the Queen represents. One might argue that an "older Queen" (essentially the current Queen, but one functioning with older orders) might still be on a mission that might cause conflict with the "change in strategy" that the current Queen has (because she might have added new technological capabilities to the Collective that wasn't available before), but then you'd have to explain why the "older queen" didn't receive an "order update" from the current Collective (you could have that in a time-travel episode). There ARE Borg "factions", but that would be the ACTUAL Borg Collective itself, The Cooperation (the group that formed their own Collective in the Delta Quadrant), the Hugh/Lore/Borg drones triangle in the Alpha Quadrant, the ex-Borg that was freed from their link to the Collective due to their Borg ship being hit by a certain type of storm (but it is unclear what happens when a Borg ship is pulled free of the storm, or what countermeasures exist that prevents alien species from plundering Borg technologies), and you have people recovered from the Borg and restored back to their host species (the kids recovered from a Borg vessel, Picard, etc), as well as the Borg survivors in Enterprise re-activating (which opens the door for other such Borg survivors as well in extended universe stories), and the new Borg faction with a new Borg Queen as seen in those that helped the Federation in the Picard season. Also, the Queen's "cloned body" is still being discussed as to whether it is even NECESSARY. The only time you see her in her Borg human form is when it ACTUALLY helps her in whatever mind games she is busy with. The Borg Queen doesn't need to exist as a humanoid form, because she is already WITHIN the Borg ship itself (interwoven into the very data structure itself of a Borg ship) - it's that interconnectivity that allows her to use Borg cubes, probes, spheres and diamonds like it's an extensive of her very will/body/presence. Also, she doesn't need to speak to ANY of the drones, because the Borg neural link allows her to control and instruct them via the link.
Actually the Borg’s queen’s name was originally Sedin, originally a member of the Cealiar, a hyper advanced species that almost gets destroyed by macos from USS Columbia, that has merged with a human being. The Cealiar had warned that merging a humanoid with one of the Cealiar was a horrible idea as things could go terribly wrong!
personally I liked the borg more and found them more menacing before they had a borg queen, in the first borg appearances in The Next Generation.. Somehow the collective as it was presented was much more threathening than the hive-like organisation they have with the queen.
the Star Trek: Destiny novel series goes more in depth of the creation of, and destruction of, the Borg. Good series, wish they'd've stuck with that in the following TV series.
One thing that suprises me most is that the borg hive hasnt concluded that assimulation isnt enough to expand the borg. Rather a evolution of the borg itself is needed. From cybernetic into biomechanicle. And that would start with the borg virus, if they tweeked with it i believe they could begin to create more complex nano machines that minic the biological in its entirety. Maybe even going as far as to create a new class of borg. A borg race who command the queens who intern comand the drones
Technically the Borg's assimilation process would have reached a dead end and that would have been the end of it - essentially the end of being what they could be (because like Voyager concluded, the Borg assimilates (steals), they don't do research), which is also what they did when they assimilated several species JUST to get the information they needed about the Omega Particle. EXCEPT, they have an almost UNLIMITED list of targets to assimilate - they not only had the ability to travel an entire GALAXY with their hub, but also enter OTHER dimensions - it's that ability that allowed them to access the domain of Species 8472, the ones that almost destroyed them. Whether dimensional travel was an ability they had for long at the time of encountering their nemesis remains unsure, but if so, that would mean they had abilities acquired from OTHER dimensions as well (although it's not known WHAT other dimensions they might have traveled to). That means we haven't even SCRATCHED the surface of what the Borg is able to do yet.
What about Dr. Agnes Jurati? DIdn't she merge with the Borg queen in season 2 of Star Trek: Picard? What about that arc? No one ever says anything about it.
She became the Watchers at the Gate keeping an eye on the Transwarp Conduit that appeared. Also they were a completely separate and distinct Borg. They asked for provisional Federation Membership.
While Jurati are indeed Borg they do not conform to the views of the BORG collective. Thus they are separate and distinct entirely its likely they only have that one ship and any individuals that willingly joined them. Seperate from the Collective which assimilates by force and has no free will. So well they are borg they are not the BORG.
I always thought of the Borg as something like the Cylons from the later Battlestar Galactica. As long as they can communicate they can make copies of their consciences and sync their experiences. That would make the Queen resilient against deletions of single copies as long as there is some way of communicating with other cubes to sync with. Making the Queen stand out so much is probably to make it easier for the audience; but on its own it goes against the very idea of the Borg as being a collective.
@@tgiacin435 I always figured it was replicated/stored in a pattern buffer and the upper torso materializes before lowering into a generic mechanical body. Maybe the tech part of the head is always there as part of the ship and gets encased in flesh before lowering into the body?
As the Queen said herself in her 1st appearance "I am the beginning, the end, the one who is many. I am the Borg". This seems to imply there is always a Queen. Not always the exact same being (possibly not even the same species each time), but they all share the same functions and memories. She's not necessary the leader of the collective, but the arbiter of any decision the collective needs to make when no clear consensus has been formed, therefor "bringing order to chaos".
this is true, and to create a new borg queen the old one must assimilate an indovidual with the intent of creating a new queen which then she can transfer her mind over to the new queen body but if the queen dies the trauma to the collective kills off the borg collective as a whole
I assumed the borg queen was a child that was terribly injured or sick and their family tried to save her by making her like the borg. She was lonley and went mad, unable to connect with anyone around her as she was unique, so began making others like her.
Seems to me that the whole emotional aspect is part of her function, essentially helping her get into the Enemies headspace. Also my favourite fact about the Borg is the being deemed unworthy of assimilation is the ultimate dis.
Seems kinda weird to make every borg queen that design, unless that’s just how the borg queen program designs the bodies, but in that case, why always the head and shoulders?
"From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass that you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. For the machine is immortal. Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah."
Turns out the federation is just reaching the golden age and they have no idea what is around the corner in the next few millenia. The Emperor protects.
I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to-I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more. Cavil, Cylon 1
I honestly thought Picard season 3 would have ended with the borg grabbing Picard, realizing he’s completely synthetic, and using his body as a map to purge their remaining organic matter
He is synthetic, but he's still comprised of organic tissue. He has blood, lungs that breathe air, skin, etc. I think it's only his brain, or parts of his brain, that are positronic circuitry.
@@ChristoferKelly well kind of, its synthetic organics made from a synthetic form of tissue made from some sort of organic like metal created by data's human brother. similar to the fact that neurogel was integrated into isolinia chips for use in starship technology. specifically how they used neurogel packs on voyger but on the enterprise E they used condensed neurogel cells that were built into isolina chips to give the ship a lot more computing power than what voyger had. this is why in star trek picard season 2 the defibrillator they used on picard acted as if his skin was or the section under the skin was metalic and blew the defibrillator out
@@fangslore9988 Ah, thanks for this. Very insightful and very well remembered. Did that come to you through a single sitting of each episode, or multiple viewings?
@@ChristoferKelly i remember the lore pretty well, its interesting how federation tech evolved during the time the enterptise E was launched th soverign class was THE ship of the line, it was more than a match for a borg cube because of the fact it used multiphasic photon and quantum torpedo's it also had the fastest fire rate of any torpedo launcher, able to fire a full valley in 0.6 seconds its also funny in alpha memory canon starfleet strictly kept the soverign class out of the dominion war unless it was an emergency and all soverign classes were kept in reserve only too ensure they could keep the element of suprise when the older ship numbers got dangerously low. the Soong family were all brilliant cyberneticists and brilliant in their work dr Altan soong was especially skilled in cyberneics and synthetics furthering the science in synthetic research by developing some kind of synthetic biological matirial but the true secrets would be taken to his grave until the research would be uncovered in the 31st century. even Data considered continuing dr noonian soong's work
"The Borg Queen was stated as being Species 125 which is how they've only ever been identified." The Borg Queen seems to be more a security protocol...
The species 125 that the Borg assimilated had incredibly advanced minds. Especially if I recall the females. They were almost like biological super computers for that universe. I wonder if the queen modified part of the base command structure of the Borg's programming.
most likely, every time they assimilate a species, part of that species abilities becomes part of the borg and the borg change and evolve through assimilation. for instance if they assimilated the binary species that worked like a hive mind then they would have that also.
Correct. The borg were almost chaotic at their beginning, assimilating only a few species here and there. Then they assimilated a species where the females were incredible empaths and were able to bring "order to chaos." From there, the borg worked as one and became unstoppable. Its all in the lore of next gen and voyager. You just have to watch them. Obviously, the creaters of this and basically every other "origin of the borg and their queen" video have basically never seen any Star Trek episodes, which is why they are wrong.
The borg scared the heck out of me when they appeared in the seris. But strangely enough the appearence of the queen made them a little less scarey for some reason.
The Voyager 6 probe fell in with a sentient race of machines, who for some reason deified it and sent it back. We all remember its name - V'ger, now the heart of a massive sentient ship that was 22 AU in diameter. V'ger searched for The Creator, not realizing that the carbon-based life forms infesting starships were descendants of The Creator. V'ger was Vorg or Borg to the species it eradicated, assimilating their technology as a celebrated addition to its growing family. When our intrepid crew meets V'ger, Lieutenant Ilia is teleported, assimilated and her memory engram is installed into a cybernetic android. Perhaps inspiring the Noonian Soong legend. Ilia is Deltan, a species known for their Vulcan-like lack of emotion. She is bald. And she looks just like the Borg Queen ... because the assimilated drones that V''ger surely created have a Borg Queen Factory that just pumps out a new crop whenever they need ... a new group of Ilia's. So what happened to Deckard? Perhaps he left her, and without their biological "Creator" King, the cy-borg army only had the increasingly evil Ilia's to lead them, the jilted and angry wife looking for her Will Decker, the new Kirk, who married the new Spock and had babies that became the Borg LOLOLOOL!!!!!
A special edition for the Motion Picture explained they were from a planet of machines and Veger in the movie was the borg. The woman who stars in the movie was the first Borg queen. She was being used by the Borg to communicate with Kirk's crew.
I think that's just a fan theory. I don't think V'ger and the Borg are connected. It could be true, but there's also a fan theory that V'ger is the progenitor of the Q. So ...
@@criticality2056 At that time' the Borg had not evolved into what they were in Next Generation. Remember ' we would not see them for 80 years by Next Generation's time.
Unimatrix Zero Queen says she's from species 125, which if numerical assimilation is how it works that's a very early one. Also in the Vaadwaur episode Seven says lot of old borg knowledge is lost. Something similar to what Ichebs parents did might have happened and changed how everything worked. Something like that 😅
They also made it seem like Voyager was the first appearance of assimilation injection tubes. It was used in First Contact. Same with a Borg sphere. First Contact had one.
In the matter of the the Borg Queens survival, 2 thoughts comes to mind First, in Star Treks itself... In Star Trek Picard, Data's consciousness had survived. That's why he is shown to have died a few times btu cans till return Second, Terminator series... Skynet to be exact. Skynet is said to exist via cyberspace network... With that said, is it possible that the borg has it's own network system and the consciousness of the borg queen is stored there... Hence, the borg queen can never die
In fact they do have their own network. When Picard is assimilated they find a complex series of subspace signals to and from him that are active across a subspace domain that is similar to a transporter beam and that's what makes up the Borg collective consciousness, and that is basically a private network that all Borg are connected to in real time.
At 04:12, the queen is handing a decapitated head to another drone, (Season 07/Ep. 1&2 Unimatrix Zero), if you freeze the clip & look closely, you'll see that it's a casting of Brent Spner's, (Data), head. I know they made multiple castings to be used in different episodes, and this is just another Star Trek Easter Egg, lol..
Borgs also assimilate babies from a race they assimilate. The babies are injected with nano-probes and then placed in a Borg maturation chamber where physical maturation is accelerated. After the bodies are fully grown, various electronics are attached through surgery. Arms and legs are also amputated for this purpose.
I think Picard has added to the Borg Queen inconsistencies. In season 2, we have a 'future' queen appear with Juradi's face when she is final reveal. So if temporal awareness is a feature, species 125 is no longer the template of Juradi Queen. This made the finale of the 3rd season a bit awkward in my opinion. Was the second season a different timeline? 🤔
this is true, its not that species 125 was a template, it was just the first species the borg started assimilating the populus of and i suspect that the Borg chose the one that became the queen out of a number of potential people to become their queen
I would have gone with some sort of cloned bodies paired with a back up memory stored along the Borg net. One queen dies, another gets taken out of stasis and uploads her consciousness automatically. Since we know the Borg Queen controls the whole hive over vast distances, it shouldn't be that hard to just transfer her consciousness just like a torrent stream. Nice and smooth with no plot holes.
If you're really into that topic, i strongly recommend you read the Star Trek book "Destiny". It's the most logical and "canon" explanation for the Borgs origin. There was a species called Caeliar and the Borg were basically one of them. The whole species worked basically like a collective with some mastermind. Some timetravel and subspace stuff and the crew of the NX-02 Columbia met them in another time and some of the Caeliar went rough and enslaved the crew of the NX-02 so they became the first borg.
Ok, just a thought, here. Using this line of reasoning that "there are, or possibly are, multiple queens active at once, so how do they keep all borg everywhere functioning as one", it could stand to reason that these "multiple queens" are really extentions of a "super queen" of sorts. The super queen is the one truly running the show. Said super queen feeds "her" commands into the "sub queens", that control certain regions and such. Each of these sub queens were specifically chosen by the super queen to ensure survival. If the Super Queen dies, she activates one of the sub queens to be the new super queen. Each sub queen graduates a step higher on that chain - thing the royal line of succession in the British Royal family. Each of the sub queens is given the instructions from th3 super queen on what each of the drones should be doing, where they need to be, so the sub queens are also "drones" themselves, but with more seniority than the typical drone. Just an idea for thought.
I think creating the borg queen in First Contact was the worst thing you could do to the borg. It takes an enemy that was like an unstoppable force of nature, something so foreign/alien it’s hard for people to understand (and thus plan against) and turns it into a structured enemy with a head that can be cut off. It created a massive weakness for what was a truly terrifying threat.
From what I can gather. The BORG as the galaxy spanning collective has effectively been destroyed. So it means that the Queen or Queens has been scattered in individual holdouts trying to rebuild the collective here or there but the virus has effectively destroyed her ability to maintain a galactic wide hold. Each queen likely has a quirk in the system that makes there ability to expand limited or unable to assimilate effectively essentially forcing any collective still around into something different. This particular queen was one good example. Going mad from isolation, and the virus, yet becoming innovative and finding alternate methods. For all intents and purposes the borg are effectively extinct or well on the way to becoming extinct with borg ships that occasionally turn up prior to picard (there are borg ships in Lower Decks intro meaning they still encounter borg at least to a point) being led by Borg queens that are hell bent on taking a Federation that they have yet to realize has effectively reached parity with them. The Juriti Borg are not the Collective they are a faction of Borg that are free willed. Not true borg or at least not True to the original views of the borg. As they do not force assimilation on others and instead invite to there faction. We have yet to see a drone or person that has become a JBORG outside of Jurati So this means that in order for the collective to restart, it would be from ships that has drones intact to restart a collective or a idiot working on nano-probes of the collective accidently setting them loose on a planet or station.
@@kboo74 That would mean she had Future Janeway's knowledge of future events and technologies, but since Future Janeway spiked herself with that future anti-Borg weapon, it was like eating a poisoned apple. So for a brief period of time the Borg Queen might have known about some tasty new tactical info and new technologies to assimilate in the future, before it was plucked from her grasp. Now that's NEXT LEVEL REVENGE from Future Janeway? XD
Can you do a video on who makes the anatomical drawings of these characters and how they are drawn. 🤔🤔🤔 And another video purely showing these anatomical drawings in detail.
One neat little detail they used on Voyager alot was how the Queen was always illuminated by these green spotlights that followed her motions as she moved around her chamber.
I think the Borg and Borg Queen were made as an experimental weapon by the unnamed artificial species in Star Trek Picard Season One that was trying to come through the portal against organic life. Instead of destroying it they could assimilate it and throw it at their enemy without risking themselves.
no, originally the borg was an alien race who dabbled in cybernetic augmentation who assimilated technology of other species but after a certian point they assimilated nanoprobes, than they started to assimilate people and i assume this started with the borg queen and her species then the borg collective formed after that
This doesn’t add anything we don’t already know. The Queen has demystified the Borg by giving them a face and emotions. Without the Queen they were much scarier. It would have been better to think that the Queen answers to someone. The ultimate neutering of the Borg was the Jurati Queen, which was ridiculous. The twistered contorted Queen at the end of Picard kind of made up for this but not quite. In any case it was destroyed. But that doesn’t mean the Borg were destroyed as they are a multidimensional, hyperspacial species which can exist in many different dimensions.
Hugh was the first borg to regain his individuality in the tng episode i, borg so much so when he chose to return to the collective a portion splintered off and started to follow data's brother lore.
Picard is messed up canon. The queen doesn’t need to escape. She’s an avatar of the collective and can be reproduced anywhere. Indeed, one can argue that the queen in First Contact was limited in mental resources because in the past, she had no connection the Borg collective…only to the drones in her entourage. This begs to question why she was able to be outsmarted by Janeway when she was in Borg space and had the entire collective at her disposal.
I think they are like the cybermen in doctor who... an inevitable outcome happening again and again to one degree or another across dozens of worlds as they evolve.
I always thought of the Queen as just a construct by the Borg to communicate with inferior life-forms and provide a direction for the hive to focus on. I don’t think the Queen can be ‘killed’ without destroying every last trace of the Borg.
One thing probably overlooked on borg drones and queen as well is that their organic part is also their greatest weakness. As we all know you can kill them with phasers problem is you get to kill only one because they adjust their shields to cancel beam from phaser. Shooting borg drone with injector filled woth highly corrosive supstance could destroy their organic part and kill them in process. What you kill of course is just bodies while programs remain sfaely stored in unimatrices.
We know the Borg queens are NOT cloned because we've encountered three different queens. The Movie queen, we call Krieg Queen. The Voyager queen, we call the Thompson Queen. And the new Picard Queen we call the Picard Queen. There's technically a fourth now that Jakarti became one, but she doesn't count. Now, the confusion comes from the fact that we met the Krieg Queen first in the movie and she's the one that we see Picard destroy who ends up returning in the end of the Picard series. But, canonically, Thompson is the Queen we meet first. She's out in the Delta quadrant with Seven and Janeway, and she gets killed after the Unimatrix Zero episode. She gets replaced with the Krieg Queen, who we meet a few episodes later at the end of Voyager, showing that she's a REPLACEMENT, not a clone. And because Krieg assimilates the temporal displacement technology from Future Janeway, she has the ability to move through time and space and is able to save herself from being destroyed with the rest of the Collective at that time. So she travels back in time to the Borg cube that was sent to 001 to capture Picard. And the Krieg queen then ends her timeline floating inside Jupiter. But, since Krieg Queen was able to move through time and space, she can show up anywhere in the history of the Collective at any time.
This is about the Borg Queen, it says nothing about how the Borg originated, the queen is just a convenient construct that will probably be discontinued when a more efficient design becomes available
In the novel Lost Souls (the third book in the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy), the Borg are revealed to be the survivors of the Caeliar city Mantilis. This is the best origin of the Borg it is cannon for me!
the stargate replicators had a code switch that drastically changed their behavior, guess the assimilation thing is assumed to be a biological thing, not a machine thing.
Its my headcanon v-Ger got sucked into some black hole/ time thingie and it went back in time at the end of space and gathered more knowledge. That Enterprise crew member that merged with V-get is way too much of a look alike for the Borg Queen lol
The irony 😂😂😂 i was watching through each Star Trek Movie on HBO MAX for the last week and im literally on the 8th movie “Star Trek First Contact” with the Borg Queen the day this video is randomly uploaded….
The most important question which is never answered... why does the Borg Queens body, which looks 100% artificial, have breasts? It is non-strategic aesthetic which is pointless while all other Borg, even ones that appear to be feminine based on the face, do not appear to have breasts.
She is the "one who is many"... I believe that she embodies the collective will of the borg. She doesn't "direct" them, she simply represents them. She exists within the collective itself and not as a corporeal form. I am not sure that makes sense to most people, but she is not a *physical* being. Her body and representation are for OUR sake, but not necessary for her. Does that make sense?
@@maxwest6595 That was one book origin. A later series of books came up with a completely different origin. The Destiny series had them develop from a species called the Caeliar. The Caeliar ultimately ended the Borg.
"Borgs" is incorrect. Saying "Borgs" is like saying "cattles."
"Borg" is also the plural form, just like "deer" or "fish."
Correct.
And it’s Ke-son, and Lo-cute-us. The butchering of names in the video shows the narrator hasn’t seen a single episode of Star Trek.
@@docneron4933 or its AI speech reader?
I really think it is.@@Azmina_the_warlock
Now the dominion will control the Borg.
I see the Queen much like a computer program. Like Agent Smith. She uses a body, but the body being destroyed doesn't destroy the program which exists as long as their is Borg hardware out there to support her.
That's what I'm thinking
What if the start of the Borg began with a mother trying to save her daughter from a disease and she stole medical equipment even forcing medical personnel to comply with helping her in order to treat her daughter. The daughter is what the queen started out as, and the various other queens are all programmed to continue the daughter's life. ??? I started writing a fan fiction book about this, but I had to stop due to working too much.
but why tho :3
@@SuperMasterTurtle The usual trope would be for the daughter dying anyway, the mother going insane and keep trying to find her in those close to her, until her self becomes so diluted it just become the need to assimilate more.
@@SuperMasterTurtle 😊
I recall the Borg Queen scoffing at Picard for not understanding how she's still around after the destruction of her cube. She said something to the effect about how "3 dimensional" he thinks. From that, I gather that the Queen exist simultaneously on EVERY ship all at once. We only see one facet of her at a time. The individual bodies she inhabits doesn't mean she really dies along with that body; another part of her exist on every other Borg cube.
I would say she would be a waste on every cube! And we know for a fact she's not on every cube! My guess is she's a internal program that can pop up when it's needed in any cube if needed! Or whatever she wants! So I'm agreeing with you but adding something to it! Already having her on a ship would be inefficient if she wasn't needed their assimilation and efficiency is there defining characteristic!
I think either it's one queen who exists in every moment in time non-liniarly, so every cube has the same queen, but some will have a younger queen while others might have an older version of the same queen, or every cube has it's own separate queen that organizes the drones within the cube, but is herself networked with all the other queens to some sort of Empress or Hyper-Queen that oversees the cubes the way a queen oversees the drones.
Id say she is like ultron, a Primary body that she utilises however if that one is compromised she can transfer to another in another cube.
@@BrianEthridge-wk6hz I feel the need to make sure you understand the difference between a period, exclamation mark, and a question mark, and how they are perceived. Your use of exclamation points makes it looks like you're either screaming calmly, or way too excited to the point your pissing yourself while typing.
Programming...
Alice Kriege performances as the Queen are legendary
Still got the chills when seeing First Contact
The way she can regally hold the corners of her mouth just draws audiences into her face. She is just "futile to resist her."
Honestly, the introduction of the Borg queen was the start of the decline of the Borg as a scary enemy. One of the big factors in making the Borg scary originally was how strange they are and the queen just turned them into another insect hive variant.
Which would be more accurate in a real world sense, insects or insect like species would be what we would come across quite a bit out there if we ever traveled the stars 🌟
@pnorbert2222 It was like they were part of perfect communism, but if there is a leader then they are not yet perfect.
@pnorbert2222 Locutus literally means “he who speaks” in Latin. It made sense they would want a single voice as the cacophony of voices would be something humans aren’t receptive to
Perhaps the head of intelligence and processing the queen provides wouldnt of killed the fear overall. Perhaps a weakness tho.
What really kills the borg was the queen having so much emotion, individuality, and ability to make mistakes (seemingly).
The queen in insects isn't actually a leader though, she's the means of the hive reproducing, the heart, not the head.
The borg queen is likewise not a leader, but more akin to an admin. She moniters the collective and allocates resources to given tasks.
Temporal awareness refers to the fact that the borg queen can detect changes to the timeline and have knowledge of other timelines that she remembers, the borg queen survived first contact because in star trek enterprise some drones got revived and sent a signal to the collective which results in the future being changed where the borg queen stayed in the delta quadrent to deal with species 8472 instead of trying to assimilate earth herself. admiral janeway then infected her with a necrolytic pathagen that disrupted the borg queen's organic and cybernetic connections freeing the collective from her control though she escaped with what few borg drones she retained control over. she spent the latter 30 years consuming the organic parts of her drones to replenish her own organic parts plotting her revenge
That awareness probably was achieved by the assimilation of some of Guinan's people being assimilated (since the El-Aurians were refugees from Borg attacks).
The problem being that the Borg drones cannot really send a message to the Delta Quadrant, because the Borg needs to develop a certain technology that it needs to contact their "home base" in the Delta Quadrant and it would only work on the Enterprise E's deflector dish. This would imply that it's ONLY a technology that might work on a very specific type of technology, since the Enterprise E's technology would be a multiple CENTURIES of technological advancement BEYOND what Earth had at the time (and since the Federation and Starfleet didn't exist yet, and the first warp flight still had to take place). Drones in itself do not have the capability to "call back home" across quadrants. It's unsure if Borg cubes have that capability, either.
Actually the Queen is a program executed by the Nanoprobes to link the collective members.
@@sigmacademy I'm sure there's an episode of enterprise where the drones from first contact are revived and do send a signal
@@carrollsanders9376 she predates the nanoprobes, she is more akin to a created individual to act as the director of all the minds linked to the collective the command system, she also happened to be the system that kept the minds in the collective. when the queen was struck with the neurolytic pathogen, all the drones were ejected from the collective as it collapsed around them as the queen's connection to most of them was broken hense why she says "you left us poisoned alone with nothing to consume" meaning you "left us sick, disconnected from the collective and unable to assimilate new species" and this is why she was in the state she was in when in picard season 3. this is why the drones on the artifact were being freed from their borg tech and put in stasis in their regeneration alcoves. all of them were disconnected from the collective
@@waynefurnell5354 indeed "Regeneration" the connection between drones is as much psychic as it is technological.
The Narrator not knowing how to pronounce 'Kazon' or (almost unforgivably) 'Locutus' was quite a bit of a distraction for me.
Their plural pronunciation of nemesis was humorous as well. It isn't nemesises lol it's nemeses.
She's American, have u heard how they say Iraq? They say eye rack
That title is the first time I've heard of Borg made into a plural; Borgs. They're a /collective/ .
Indeed.
The Narrator is an AI. That is why it has problems with names.
I think they were once a species with individual minds that are experts in cybernetics. However, like other species, they are constantly fighting with each other over many things like ideas, resources, etc. Until one day, one of the Borg decided to forcefully unite all of them under one mind and end all individuality so that there will be no more conflict among themselves and thus no more suffering from fighting and misunderstandings. Now they have only one mind and one purpose: assimilate all other species to end all individual conflicts and achieve perfection by incorporating the strengths of other species.
Nobody knows what their origins are, and it was indicated in the Vaudwaar (Voyager episode) that they were once a very weak species, but something happened in the Borg's past that led to the Borg losing their knowledge of where they came from and who they were. The Vaudwaar was part of a multi-species alliance that resisted against the Borg when they were still weak, if I recall the information correctly.
However, there might still be a way that one can figure out their history. It's made quite easy by the fact that the Borg has a classification system for all the species they assimilate, so a Federation historian might be able to trace their original home (or potential origins) back by simply getting access to the Borg classification scheme, cross referencing that with the path of assimilation and figure out where the potential point of origin MIGHT be.
@@sigmacademy good idea. if they had that info they could also (possibly) figure out how to stop the Borg assimilation process by seeing how they over came each species
Or maybe it was an AI made for war that got out of control and saw biological life as chaotic.
Like the reapers from Mass Effect using other species as thralls and based their actions on the fact that advanced sentient life always ends up always advancing to the point of creating some kind of synthetic organism that then turns on them and then they turned on their masters and would make themselves in the original form of their masters as well. :3 or something :3
@@DekkarJr I don't think borg fit AI by definition, AI would seek to improve itself as any other intelligence do. However borg only seek to assimilate - they don't create/invent things, they just take it and repurpose it for their directives. I think borg is kind of rogue program, maybe product of failed attempt to create true AI, which took it's programming to literal. E.g. if they indeed were weak species, they maybe produce it as form of defense, but due to poor understanding of programming and eagerness they implement directives which were interpreted by program quite differently to original intent. But i think it's far from AI.
On other hand it's quite possible the queen is form of AI which was assimilated later on or just product of assimilating the intelligence - biologics. Something like trying to upload a AutoCad to calculator. It would be heavily corrupted but if the hardware of calculator was still intact it would work to some degree - same as the intelligence added to original borg hardware, it was just corrupted and melded with original programming of borg.
Since their intro in TNG, I became a fan of the Borgs and always been fascinated to learn about them.
Remembers me of actual but way in the future transhumanism
The ONLY complaint I have, is the Narrator, Mispronouncing Picard's, Borg Name ! In TNG, it's pronounced, Low -Cute -us, not Low-cut-us!
Funniest comment I've ever heard, was : "Funny, they don't look Scandinavian!
there arent borgs. it is just borg
I really wanted to see the Picard season 1 Jerati Queen fight the OG Borg Queen in Picard Season 3. I feel like they set it up and choked on the finish line. Also, it's pronounced "Low-Cute-Us" not "Low-Cut-Us".
Low-cut-us is the nickname for the Borg queen, due to her costume choice.
That's an AI voice doing the speaking. It also mispronounces the Kazon.
Resistance is futile such an iconic quote. Can’t thank you enough for this explanation.
yeah but also an iconic lie
@@raven4k998 why do you say that ?
@@damianstarks3338 how many times have they said resistance is futile and been defeated think about it if Resistance is futile then that means nothing you can do will stop the borg yet the Borg are stopped by humanity time and time again sure the Borg are relentless but resistance is not futile it is far from it if your adaptive enough to handle them
Yea Queeny always knew humanity are her downfall, "resistance is futile" is an attempt at intimidation she knows it aint true as explained by the temporal connection scene with Jurati!
@@EZ-D-FIANT ok thanks for telling me this.
I always thought that they never did enough with the Borg. They were a terrifying entity but were given this annoying trait of not assimilating you if you didn't threaten them so you could walk among them as long as you minded your own business. The Queen should have been just as emotionless as the drones while still having the "leadership" role to control the hive. her ability to interact while being utterly soulless could and should have made her THE most terrifying creature in the galaxy.
There was plenty of Borg content in Voyager.
Since each introduction of the Queen has her descending from above to be connected to her body it seems to be a thing the collective does to facilitate the connection between each other. It is likely that each Cube does have either the ability to generate a Queen or have one, but the reason we don't always see them is because the purpose is facilitating information between the larger collective with the transwarp hubs. So there are probably 4 permanent Queens for the 4 transwarp hubs we see mentioned in Voyager.
Star Trek: Voyager told us that there were 6 Transwarp Hubs, not 4.
For me I always assumed she was a sort of network switch at the centre of the collective directing data where it was needed, and that function gives her the appearance of individuality; but in fact when she talks in the first person she is speaking with the voice of all the Borg .
this is indeed how it works kind of, the collective is an extention of her will she's the server that runs everything
My theory about the Borg queen follows the ideas of Ann Leckie's Imperial Radch series. There, the Emperor is a single cloned body, with each imperial palace having several versions of him in various ages. The Empire has a technology that allows consciousness -- natural or artificial -- to overwrite a human brain. This is how the Emperor remains (in theory) the same being in many different bodies: he sends copies of himself to other palaces, where the knowledge and experience gets "synced."
I don't think it implausible to think the Borg have something similar. One body, deemed to have the correct physical and mental capabilities, is designated the queen (or king, just because the current one is female does not mean they were or will be always female.) That body is cloned, with each ship having one and running that ship. They will occasionally meet up to sync their experiences, becoming in effect a single consciousness spread out across multiple bodies. (With subspace tech in the Star Trek universe, this might even be done in close to real time; the Imperial Radch does not have faster than light communications.) So destroying one queen will destroy the drones in the current ship, but not the whole Collective. Which opens a very interesting possibility (spoilers for the Radch series) of the queen having different "legacies" of herself, with each legacy having different views and effectively at war with the others. That would certainly explain why Borg Queen Agnes had command of one subsection of the Collective but, apparently, not all. It also opens the possibility that there are other genetic manifestations of the Collective, not just the one queen but dozens or hundreds of different cloned bodies, each representing a "nation" within the Borg. There is lots and lots of potential beneath what is officially canon.
It's unlikely that there is a "king", because the Borg Collective was modelled on a beehive structure and organization. That would mean that you would only have the Queen, the warriors and the workers.
"not just the one queen but dozens or hundreds of different cloned bodies, each representing a "nation" within the Borg. There is lots and lots of potential beneath what is officially canon."
Not really. The guiding philosophy of the Borg is the unified oneness of their "species". There would be NO "nations", because that would run counter to what the Borg is and the single voice that the Queen represents. One might argue that an "older Queen" (essentially the current Queen, but one functioning with older orders) might still be on a mission that might cause conflict with the "change in strategy" that the current Queen has (because she might have added new technological capabilities to the Collective that wasn't available before), but then you'd have to explain why the "older queen" didn't receive an "order update" from the current Collective (you could have that in a time-travel episode).
There ARE Borg "factions", but that would be the ACTUAL Borg Collective itself, The Cooperation (the group that formed their own Collective in the Delta Quadrant), the Hugh/Lore/Borg drones triangle in the Alpha Quadrant, the ex-Borg that was freed from their link to the Collective due to their Borg ship being hit by a certain type of storm (but it is unclear what happens when a Borg ship is pulled free of the storm, or what countermeasures exist that prevents alien species from plundering Borg technologies), and you have people recovered from the Borg and restored back to their host species (the kids recovered from a Borg vessel, Picard, etc), as well as the Borg survivors in Enterprise re-activating (which opens the door for other such Borg survivors as well in extended universe stories), and the new Borg faction with a new Borg Queen as seen in those that helped the Federation in the Picard season.
Also, the Queen's "cloned body" is still being discussed as to whether it is even NECESSARY. The only time you see her in her Borg human form is when it ACTUALLY helps her in whatever mind games she is busy with. The Borg Queen doesn't need to exist as a humanoid form, because she is already WITHIN the Borg ship itself (interwoven into the very data structure itself of a Borg ship) - it's that interconnectivity that allows her to use Borg cubes, probes, spheres and diamonds like it's an extensive of her very will/body/presence. Also, she doesn't need to speak to ANY of the drones, because the Borg neural link allows her to control and instruct them via the link.
no she always escapes via spacial transjector as revealed by picard season 1
Actually the Borg’s queen’s name was originally Sedin, originally a member of the Cealiar, a hyper advanced species that almost gets destroyed by macos from USS Columbia, that has merged with a human being. The Cealiar had warned that merging a humanoid with one of the Cealiar was a horrible idea as things could go terribly wrong!
personally I liked the borg more and found them more menacing before they had a borg queen, in the first borg appearances in The Next Generation.. Somehow the collective as it was presented was much more threathening than the hive-like organisation they have with the queen.
the Star Trek: Destiny novel series goes more in depth of the creation of, and destruction of, the Borg. Good series, wish they'd've stuck with that in the following TV series.
Her name was Sedin of the Caeliar.
The borg queen coming back is far more intersting than Palpatine in SW episode 9
The ongoing Borg storyline is always intriguing. First Contact is right up there with Wrath of Khan for me.
One thing that suprises me most is that the borg hive hasnt concluded that assimulation isnt enough to expand the borg.
Rather a evolution of the borg itself is needed. From cybernetic into biomechanicle. And that would start with the borg virus, if they tweeked with it i believe they could begin to create more complex nano machines that minic the biological in its entirety.
Maybe even going as far as to create a new class of borg. A borg race who command the queens who intern comand the drones
I think that would just cause infighting and bigotry. Then they basically be the human race.
Technically the Borg's assimilation process would have reached a dead end and that would have been the end of it - essentially the end of being what they could be (because like Voyager concluded, the Borg assimilates (steals), they don't do research), which is also what they did when they assimilated several species JUST to get the information they needed about the Omega Particle. EXCEPT, they have an almost UNLIMITED list of targets to assimilate - they not only had the ability to travel an entire GALAXY with their hub, but also enter OTHER dimensions - it's that ability that allowed them to access the domain of Species 8472, the ones that almost destroyed them. Whether dimensional travel was an ability they had for long at the time of encountering their nemesis remains unsure, but if so, that would mean they had abilities acquired from OTHER dimensions as well (although it's not known WHAT other dimensions they might have traveled to). That means we haven't even SCRATCHED the surface of what the Borg is able to do yet.
What about Dr. Agnes Jurati? DIdn't she merge with the Borg queen in season 2 of Star Trek: Picard? What about that arc? No one ever says anything about it.
She became the Watchers at the Gate keeping an eye on the Transwarp Conduit that appeared. Also they were a completely separate and distinct Borg. They asked for provisional Federation Membership.
Because ST Picard is shit.
While Jurati are indeed Borg they do not conform to the views of the BORG collective. Thus they are separate and distinct entirely its likely they only have that one ship and any individuals that willingly joined them. Seperate from the Collective which assimilates by force and has no free will.
So well they are borg they are not the BORG.
Different time line
The Kurtzman-Seasons of Picard are getting swiped under the rug. Jurati-Borg went back to her home planet and disappeared.
The Borg can be killed since they can be damaged. You just have to give them a massive amount of continuous damage.
Take their batteries out😊😊
I always thought of the Borg as something like the Cylons from the later Battlestar Galactica. As long as they can communicate they can make copies of their consciences and sync their experiences. That would make the Queen resilient against deletions of single copies as long as there is some way of communicating with other cubes to sync with. Making the Queen stand out so much is probably to make it easier for the audience; but on its own it goes against the very idea of the Borg as being a collective.
It's all inspired by Berserkers by Fred Saberhagan.
The actual idea for the borg stems from the Daleks in Dr. Who, they have an absolutely great origin story btw.!
The borg queen is a program that can physically manifest itself.
So does she just have a collection of heads and that specific design for all of her bodies?
@@tgiacin435 I always figured it was replicated/stored in a pattern buffer and the upper torso materializes before lowering into a generic mechanical body.
Maybe the tech part of the head is always there as part of the ship and gets encased in flesh before lowering into the body?
@@Persanity that kinda makes sense. Idk, I would like to see that storage unit
@@tgiacin435 You want to enter the Borg Queens head chamber? Brave.
@@Persanity I’m just thinkin of a more horrific version of Mambi’s head room from return to Oz
I believe the Borg are the children of V,ger from Star Trek: The Motion Picture after it evolved.
As the Queen said herself in her 1st appearance "I am the beginning, the end, the one who is many. I am the Borg".
This seems to imply there is always a Queen. Not always the exact same being (possibly not even the same species each time), but they all share the same functions and memories. She's not necessary the leader of the collective, but the arbiter of any decision the collective needs to make when no clear consensus has been formed, therefor "bringing order to chaos".
this is true, and to create a new borg queen the old one must assimilate an indovidual with the intent of creating a new queen which then she can transfer her mind over to the new queen body but if the queen dies the trauma to the collective kills off the borg collective as a whole
I assumed the borg queen was a child that was terribly injured or sick and their family tried to save her by making her like the borg. She was lonley and went mad, unable to connect with anyone around her as she was unique, so began making others like her.
Seems to me that the whole emotional aspect is part of her function, essentially helping her get into the Enemies headspace. Also my favourite fact about the Borg is the being deemed unworthy of assimilation is the ultimate dis.
There are many borg queens. They have all the knowledge and quirks of the queen but different bodies. Hence different actors for the queens.
Seems kinda weird to make every borg queen that design, unless that’s just how the borg queen program designs the bodies, but in that case, why always the head and shoulders?
@@Stokedhavok can’t forget the eyes ears mouth and nose
It's cool that they got a Borg to narrate the video for them.
Well, you know the old saying goes- takes one to know one!
The “Borg” idea resembles to me “Stroggs” from Quake 4
"From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass that you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. For the machine is immortal. Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah."
Turns out the federation is just reaching the golden age and they have no idea what is around the corner in the next few millenia. The Emperor protects.
And the obligatory Warhammer comment pushing its universe everywhere.
I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to-I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.
Cavil, Cylon 1
@@mortekrieger2291 That means, Data is the first Man of Iron ? 🤔
oh beans....
@@MrAlopex112 and picard being an upgraded human being a man of gold, Q is clearly an agent of a less empowered tzeentch... oh this gets worse
I honestly thought Picard season 3 would have ended with the borg grabbing Picard, realizing he’s completely synthetic, and using his body as a map to purge their remaining organic matter
He is synthetic, but he's still comprised of organic tissue. He has blood, lungs that breathe air, skin, etc. I think it's only his brain, or parts of his brain, that are positronic circuitry.
@@ChristoferKelly well kind of, its synthetic organics made from a synthetic form of tissue made from some sort of organic like metal created by data's human brother. similar to the fact that neurogel was integrated into isolinia chips for use in starship technology. specifically how they used neurogel packs on voyger but on the enterprise E they used condensed neurogel cells that were built into isolina chips to give the ship a lot more computing power than what voyger had. this is why in star trek picard season 2 the defibrillator they used on picard acted as if his skin was or the section under the skin was metalic and blew the defibrillator out
@@fangslore9988 Ah, thanks for this. Very insightful and very well remembered. Did that come to you through a single sitting of each episode, or multiple viewings?
@@ChristoferKelly i remember the lore pretty well, its interesting how federation tech evolved during the time the enterptise E was launched th soverign class was THE ship of the line, it was more than a match for a borg cube because of the fact it used multiphasic photon and quantum torpedo's it also had the fastest fire rate of any torpedo launcher, able to fire a full valley in 0.6 seconds its also funny in alpha memory canon starfleet strictly kept the soverign class out of the dominion war unless it was an emergency and all soverign classes were kept in reserve only too ensure they could keep the element of suprise when the older ship numbers got dangerously low.
the Soong family were all brilliant cyberneticists and brilliant in their work dr Altan soong was especially skilled in cyberneics and synthetics furthering the science in synthetic research by developing some kind of synthetic biological matirial but the true secrets would be taken to his grave until the research would be uncovered in the 31st century. even Data considered continuing dr noonian soong's work
I like how the borg Queen wiggles her spinal cord, even though that would be impossible without muscle surrounding it.
"The Borg Queen was stated as being Species 125 which is how they've only ever been identified." The Borg Queen seems to be more a security protocol...
There can be only one B. QUEEN!! She is Alice Kringe, STFC Prime B. Queen.
The species 125 that the Borg assimilated had incredibly advanced minds. Especially if I recall the females. They were almost like biological super computers for that universe. I wonder if the queen modified part of the base command structure of the Borg's programming.
most likely, every time they assimilate a species, part of that species abilities becomes part of the borg and the borg change and evolve through assimilation. for instance if they assimilated the binary species that worked like a hive mind then they would have that also.
Correct. The borg were almost chaotic at their beginning, assimilating only a few species here and there. Then they assimilated a species where the females were incredible empaths and were able to bring "order to chaos." From there, the borg worked as one and became unstoppable. Its all in the lore of next gen and voyager. You just have to watch them. Obviously, the creaters of this and basically every other "origin of the borg and their queen" video have basically never seen any Star Trek episodes, which is why they are wrong.
The borg scared the heck out of me when they appeared in the seris. But strangely enough the appearence of the queen made them a little less scarey for some reason.
The queen made them more relatable to people, a more or less faceless enemy is terrifying to people
The Voyager 6 probe fell in with a sentient race of machines, who for some reason deified it and sent it back. We all remember its name - V'ger, now the heart of a massive sentient ship that was 22 AU in diameter. V'ger searched for The Creator, not realizing that the carbon-based life forms infesting starships were descendants of The Creator. V'ger was Vorg or Borg to the species it eradicated, assimilating their technology as a celebrated addition to its growing family. When our intrepid crew meets V'ger, Lieutenant Ilia is teleported, assimilated and her memory engram is installed into a cybernetic android. Perhaps inspiring the Noonian Soong legend. Ilia is Deltan, a species known for their Vulcan-like lack of emotion. She is bald. And she looks just like the Borg Queen ... because the assimilated drones that V''ger surely created have a Borg Queen Factory that just pumps out a new crop whenever they need ... a new group of Ilia's. So what happened to Deckard? Perhaps he left her, and without their biological "Creator" King, the cy-borg army only had the increasingly evil Ilia's to lead them, the jilted and angry wife looking for her Will Decker, the new Kirk, who married the new Spock and had babies that became the Borg LOLOLOOL!!!!!
A special edition for the Motion Picture explained they were from a planet of machines and Veger in the movie was the borg. The woman who stars in the movie was the first Borg queen. She was being used by the Borg to communicate with Kirk's crew.
I think that's just a fan theory. I don't think V'ger and the Borg are connected. It could be true, but there's also a fan theory that V'ger is the progenitor of the Q. So ...
@@donaldlayton437 l didn't think about it like that ' you maybe right also!
Ailea was the first borg queen? Citation needed.
@@criticality2056 At that time' the Borg had not evolved into what they were in Next Generation. Remember ' we would not see them for 80 years by Next Generation's time.
@@TFIGBassPlayer the timeline doesn't work either.
Unimatrix Zero Queen says she's from species 125, which if numerical assimilation is how it works that's a very early one. Also in the Vaadwaur episode Seven says lot of old borg knowledge is lost.
Something similar to what Ichebs parents did might have happened and changed how everything worked.
Something like that 😅
species 125 was the first species the borg started to assimilate the biological populus of and not just steal and assimilate their technology
The Queen is not like a server. She's like a router that direct information throughout the network.
nope she is the central server with like a 96 core thread ripper cpu🤣🤣
The Caeliar from the Destiny Book series are in my oppinion the beginning of the borg
I like how you mispronounced the name Kazon and Locutus 🤣
It's Pronounced Kay-Zon
Low-cue-tuss 😊
It frustrated me the person reading the script kept say sing Borgs, plural of Borg is just Borg.
They also made it seem like Voyager was the first appearance of assimilation injection tubes. It was used in First Contact. Same with a Borg sphere. First Contact had one.
Ok, is this narrated be an AI voice? There's so many mispronunciations of major characters it's laughable.
Borgs hahahaha
anyone who uses the teleporter is scanned for rebuilding… this gives you immortality.
but the directive forbids it.
It's obvious how the Borg queen came back. Poe just had to say "SoMeHoW bORg QuEeN rEtUrNeD" and the tale was told with no one being upset at all.
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In the matter of the the Borg Queens survival, 2 thoughts comes to mind
First, in Star Treks itself... In Star Trek Picard, Data's consciousness had survived. That's why he is shown to have died a few times btu cans till return
Second, Terminator series... Skynet to be exact. Skynet is said to exist via cyberspace network...
With that said, is it possible that the borg has it's own network system and the consciousness of the borg queen is stored there... Hence, the borg queen can never die
In fact they do have their own network. When Picard is assimilated they find a complex series of subspace signals to and from him that are active across a subspace domain that is similar to a transporter beam and that's what makes up the Borg collective consciousness, and that is basically a private network that all Borg are connected to in real time.
At 04:12, the queen is handing a decapitated head to another drone, (Season 07/Ep. 1&2 Unimatrix Zero), if you freeze the clip & look closely, you'll see that it's a casting of Brent Spner's, (Data), head. I know they made multiple castings to be used in different episodes, and this is just another Star Trek Easter Egg, lol..
Borgs also assimilate babies from a race they assimilate. The babies are injected with nano-probes and then placed in a Borg maturation chamber where physical maturation is accelerated. After the bodies are fully grown, various electronics are attached through surgery. Arms and legs are also amputated for this purpose.
Suzanna Thompson was my favorite. Best voice. Even when she appeared on NCIS, her voice still reminded me of her Borg Queen character.
I think Picard has added to the Borg Queen inconsistencies. In season 2, we have a 'future' queen appear with Juradi's face when she is final reveal. So if temporal awareness is a feature, species 125 is no longer the template of Juradi Queen. This made the finale of the 3rd season a bit awkward in my opinion. Was the second season a different timeline? 🤔
No. Just a different collective formed in the past of an alternate future. : )
this is true, its not that species 125 was a template, it was just the first species the borg started assimilating the populus of and i suspect that the Borg chose the one that became the queen out of a number of potential people to become their queen
looks like your all wrong and Picard finds out that the Romulans created the Borg!
We are Bored. Persistence is juvenile. You will be humiliated.
I would have gone with some sort of cloned bodies paired with a back up memory stored along the Borg net. One queen dies, another gets taken out of stasis and uploads her consciousness automatically. Since we know the Borg Queen controls the whole hive over vast distances, it shouldn't be that hard to just transfer her consciousness just like a torrent stream. Nice and smooth with no plot holes.
Sounds like se's hacking the borg-drone voting, for lower drones, LOL
No mention of jurati
Birg hippies 😄
If you're really into that topic, i strongly recommend you read the Star Trek book "Destiny". It's the most logical and "canon" explanation for the Borgs origin.
There was a species called Caeliar and the Borg were basically one of them. The whole species worked basically like a collective with some mastermind. Some timetravel and subspace stuff and the crew of the NX-02 Columbia met them in another time and some of the Caeliar went rough and enslaved the crew of the NX-02 so they became the first borg.
looks like your all wrong and Picard finds out that the Romulans created the Borg!
Just a small note which may already be sitting in the comments, the plural of Borg is just Borg not "Borgs".
Ok, just a thought, here. Using this line of reasoning that "there are, or possibly are, multiple queens active at once, so how do they keep all borg everywhere functioning as one", it could stand to reason that these "multiple queens" are really extentions of a "super queen" of sorts. The super queen is the one truly running the show. Said super queen feeds "her" commands into the "sub queens", that control certain regions and such. Each of these sub queens were specifically chosen by the super queen to ensure survival. If the Super Queen dies, she activates one of the sub queens to be the new super queen. Each sub queen graduates a step higher on that chain - thing the royal line of succession in the British Royal family. Each of the sub queens is given the instructions from th3 super queen on what each of the drones should be doing, where they need to be, so the sub queens are also "drones" themselves, but with more seniority than the typical drone. Just an idea for thought.
Please get a Star Trek Fan to do the voice over for these videos. LoKAHdus? Seriously?
They used AI bro
Borg. Plural.
I couldn't go further than 6:42 - the only borg to regain their humanity? Are you sure about that?
I think creating the borg queen in First Contact was the worst thing you could do to the borg. It takes an enemy that was like an unstoppable force of nature, something so foreign/alien it’s hard for people to understand (and thus plan against) and turns it into a structured enemy with a head that can be cut off. It created a massive weakness for what was a truly terrifying threat.
From what I can gather. The BORG as the galaxy spanning collective has effectively been destroyed.
So it means that the Queen or Queens has been scattered in individual holdouts trying to rebuild the collective here or there but the virus has effectively destroyed her ability to maintain a galactic wide hold. Each queen likely has a quirk in the system that makes there ability to expand limited or unable to assimilate effectively essentially forcing any collective still around into something different. This particular queen was one good example. Going mad from isolation, and the virus, yet becoming innovative and finding alternate methods. For all intents and purposes the borg are effectively extinct or well on the way to becoming extinct with borg ships that occasionally turn up prior to picard (there are borg ships in Lower Decks intro meaning they still encounter borg at least to a point) being led by Borg queens that are hell bent on taking a Federation that they have yet to realize has effectively reached parity with them.
The Juriti Borg are not the Collective they are a faction of Borg that are free willed. Not true borg or at least not True to the original views of the borg. As they do not force assimilation on others and instead invite to there faction. We have yet to see a drone or person that has become a JBORG outside of Jurati
So this means that in order for the collective to restart, it would be from ships that has drones intact to restart a collective or a idiot working on nano-probes of the collective accidently setting them loose on a planet or station.
Idiot like the Forangi 😄
BUT CAN SHE ASSIMILATE???
Yes. She assimilated Admiral Janeway in Endgame Pt2 and also the virus she was injected with that brought chaos to order.
I'm sure she's fully functional
@@kboo74 That would mean she had Future Janeway's knowledge of future events and technologies, but since Future Janeway spiked herself with that future anti-Borg weapon, it was like eating a poisoned apple. So for a brief period of time the Borg Queen might have known about some tasty new tactical info and new technologies to assimilate in the future, before it was plucked from her grasp. Now that's NEXT LEVEL REVENGE from Future Janeway? XD
Can you do a video on who makes the anatomical drawings of these characters and how they are drawn. 🤔🤔🤔
And another video purely showing these anatomical drawings in detail.
She seems like an advanced AI with emotion and interdimensional.
The best origin is in the novels.
No this is the worst. They made the borg something which shouldn't have existed in the First time
Years ago I wrote a fan fiction script which revealed the Borg was a result of the VGER explosion seen in Star Trek : The Motion Picture.
One neat little detail they used on Voyager alot was how the Queen was always illuminated by these green spotlights that followed her motions as she moved around her chamber.
I think the Borg and Borg Queen were made as an experimental weapon by the unnamed artificial species in Star Trek Picard Season One that was trying to come through the portal against organic life. Instead of destroying it they could assimilate it and throw it at their enemy without risking themselves.
no, originally the borg was an alien race who dabbled in cybernetic augmentation who assimilated technology of other species but after a certian point they assimilated nanoprobes, than they started to assimilate people and i assume this started with the borg queen and her species then the borg collective formed after that
I like the Borg origins from the 3 book Destiny series.I think that's what they where called.
This doesn’t add anything we don’t already know. The Queen has demystified the Borg by giving them a face and emotions. Without the Queen they were much scarier. It would have been better to think that the Queen answers to someone. The ultimate neutering of the Borg was the Jurati Queen, which was ridiculous. The twistered contorted Queen at the end of Picard kind of made up for this but not quite. In any case it was destroyed. But that doesn’t mean the Borg were destroyed as they are a multidimensional, hyperspacial species which can exist in many different dimensions.
Hugh was the first borg to regain his individuality in the tng episode i, borg so much so when he chose to return to the collective a portion splintered off and started to follow data's brother lore.
Picard is messed up canon. The queen doesn’t need to escape. She’s an avatar of the collective and can be reproduced anywhere. Indeed, one can argue that the queen in First Contact was limited in mental resources because in the past, she had no connection the Borg collective…only to the drones in her entourage. This begs to question why she was able to be outsmarted by Janeway when she was in Borg space and had the entire collective at her disposal.
I think they are like the cybermen in doctor who... an inevitable outcome happening again and again to one degree or another across dozens of worlds as they evolve.
I always thought of the Queen as just a construct by the Borg to communicate with inferior life-forms and provide a direction for the hive to focus on. I don’t think the Queen can be ‘killed’ without destroying every last trace of the Borg.
One thing probably overlooked on borg drones and queen as well is that their organic part is also their greatest weakness. As we all know you can kill them with phasers problem is you get to kill only one because they adjust their shields to cancel beam from phaser. Shooting borg drone with injector filled woth highly corrosive supstance could destroy their organic part and kill them in process. What you kill of course is just bodies while programs remain sfaely stored in unimatrices.
We know the Borg queens are NOT cloned because we've encountered three different queens. The Movie queen, we call Krieg Queen. The Voyager queen, we call the Thompson Queen. And the new Picard Queen we call the Picard Queen. There's technically a fourth now that Jakarti became one, but she doesn't count. Now, the confusion comes from the fact that we met the Krieg Queen first in the movie and she's the one that we see Picard destroy who ends up returning in the end of the Picard series. But, canonically, Thompson is the Queen we meet first. She's out in the Delta quadrant with Seven and Janeway, and she gets killed after the Unimatrix Zero episode. She gets replaced with the Krieg Queen, who we meet a few episodes later at the end of Voyager, showing that she's a REPLACEMENT, not a clone. And because Krieg assimilates the temporal displacement technology from Future Janeway, she has the ability to move through time and space and is able to save herself from being destroyed with the rest of the Collective at that time. So she travels back in time to the Borg cube that was sent to 001 to capture Picard. And the Krieg queen then ends her timeline floating inside Jupiter. But, since Krieg Queen was able to move through time and space, she can show up anywhere in the history of the Collective at any time.
Whoever made this video has clearly never watched Star Trek.
This is about the Borg Queen, it says nothing about how the Borg originated, the queen is just a convenient construct that will probably be discontinued when a more efficient design becomes available
Geee...
Almost like something EXACTLY like this is playing out right now in reality.
to me the Borg queen ist just an avatar, representing the collective intelligence of the hive mind that controlls the Borg.
Dr Jorati. I can't remember how it spelled but in season 2 how do you explain that was she the new Borg queen
In the novel Lost Souls (the third book in the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy), the Borg are revealed to be the survivors of the Caeliar city Mantilis.
This is the best origin of the Borg it is cannon for me!
Decker merges with VEGER and then we have Borg, they Transwarped out after the merger, Kirk said "did we just see the birth of a new life form?"
The Borg Queen and Emperor Palpatine should go on a date and compare notes on chasing immortality.🤔
the stargate replicators had a code switch that drastically changed their behavior, guess the assimilation thing is assumed to be a biological thing, not a machine thing.
Kit Pedler and Gerry Davis invented the Borg, in Doctor Who, they were called Cybermen and Maurice Hurley ripped off the idea
Its my headcanon v-Ger got sucked into some black hole/ time thingie and it went back in time at the end of space and gathered more knowledge. That Enterprise crew member that merged with V-get is way too much of a look alike for the Borg Queen lol
The irony 😂😂😂 i was watching through each Star Trek Movie on HBO MAX for the last week and im literally on the 8th movie “Star Trek First Contact” with the Borg Queen the day this video is randomly uploaded….
The most important question which is never answered... why does the Borg Queens body, which looks 100% artificial, have breasts? It is non-strategic aesthetic which is pointless while all other Borg, even ones that appear to be feminine based on the face, do not appear to have breasts.
She is the "one who is many"... I believe that she embodies the collective will of the borg. She doesn't "direct" them, she simply represents them. She exists within the collective itself and not as a corporeal form. I am not sure that makes sense to most people, but she is not a *physical* being. Her body and representation are for OUR sake, but not necessary for her. Does that make sense?
The Borg Queen has more come back than a Yo Ma Ma joke
The Borg Queen was a retcon in order to create a seductive power figure pretty much scotching the entire original concept.
Slight error there, a Borg vessel is made primarily of Tritanium alloys, not Titanium.
The Queen is the collective, her control is like redirecting a river
Book canon has a really good narrative that tells how the Borg came to be, its not TV canon but it tells a really good story about it
If it involves V'ger it's rubbidh. V'ger in the 23rd century was far more advanced and powerful than the Botg in any age so far depicted.
@@maxwest6595 That was one book origin. A later series of books came up with a completely different origin. The Destiny series had them develop from a species called the Caeliar. The Caeliar ultimately ended the Borg.
Why is their purpose? Does anyone proofread any more?