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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 13. 12. 2020
- Sometimes people want to know who is the most hated in the Army based on their MOS. Well I mention some here that could be hated but if your friends, then they might be great friends to have.
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Back in the good old days at Camp Pendleton. A Battalion of Army Rangers came to do some live fire joint training. That night at the enlisted club a big fight of course Marine vs Ranger broke out. Until the MPâs arrived. The Marines and Ranger banded together and fought the MPâs. Good old days.
I was an MP and we did have some "super cops" that had attitudes. I tried hard to remember that we were "of the troops, for the troops". We all make mistakes, I'd rather give someone a ride home rather than turn them in and ruin their lives.
Amen and Old School, Thanks.
his analogy about MP's and rank is not correct though. I saw a MP get blasted by a SSG MP for disrespecting my 1SG at the time. We went to pick up a Soldier from the Marne cooler I was an E-6 at the time. A MP told are 1SG your Soldier is a dumb ass and is a direct reflecting of you. SSG MP stepped in and told him he is getting smoked after the shift is over.
@@chrisle2674 He should have, I would have done the same. There is a difference between your authority as an MP giving you the ability to do your job and being a disrespectful ass. That MP was being an ass and I hope he still feels the pain from the smoking he got.
I think it really is the way their school treats them. I was chem corp on Annistan in 1988 and the other side of the base was the MP school. We generally went to classes, got yelled at and had to learn a huge amount of technical stuff. The issue with the MPs at that point, was their classes with us felt like we were in classes with Marines instead of US army. They get yelled at for everything, the are very spit and polished, 99% of the time. And when an MP drill sergeant was in charge of the Chem corp, we felt like they were trying to implement their abuse on us.
This isn't to say a chemical corp soldier isn't disciplined. It's just sort of the difference between say an Infantry soldier and an Honor guard soldier. They might be trained the same way, but you would expect the Honor guard to be punished for uniform defects.
our mp was cool with me getting smoked by my nco infront of them instead of me getting a ticket
I was 11B1P (Paratrooper) and I made sure to make friends with everyone. In the chow hall we had support and Airborne dining together. I would say hi to people I didn't know or give them a nod. While, in the field, we came back from a long patrol and I noticed the mess tent light was on. I popped my head in and a cook recognized me. He asked what he could do for me. I replied, a simple sandwich maybe? Sure, no problem. So, it pays to be nice. MPs I never had a problem.
Amen and how it should Be.
To be honest, I was drunk in Hawaii in schoffield barracks. I remember I started walking on the street drunk trying to get to my barracks. Then all the sudden an MP instead of taking me to my commander or punish me with my 1SG, he gave me a ride safe home. Never forget that.
Took many a ride on the MP âdrunk busâ. Keeps you out of trouble.
When I was in ,every duty stations I was at ,The MP'S was always there to help more than they did to create a bad situation , when I was station at Fort Knox , me and some friends of mind got pulled over, in my car, but one of my friend was driving because I had drunk more than he had, but when the MP'S came to the car , he asked us had we been drinking and we said yes, and he asked us when on post that we stayed and when we told him he let us go and follow us until we got to our barracks before he turned off , I have also had MP'S to call the HQ Duty SGT. to send someone from my unit to pick me up from the club so, I can only say very good things about the MP'S at what ever duty stations that I was at, even in Germany ,when we had what they called Unit Police that relieve the MP'S at the gates sometime and that was a good thing because you got to know the MP'S and I made really good friends with many of them, I was very bless to have served with such MP'S that was aware of and made it more fair and within reason for us as we party drunk to much at time ,where they made sure that if we was not causing any trouble as drunk as we was some times ,they made sure that we reached our barracks safely ,so I am very proud of those MPS back when I served, be bless all.
This one SSG was being an asshole. We kept him unbunckled then kept slamming on the brakes as he was in the MP car đ!
I was an E-4 with the Alcohol and Drug Control Office, and when soldiers came to see me, they were in trouble. I've sent MP's, Drill Sergeants, and Commissioned Officers to treatment against their will. I was so hated, that I got BAQ, because they didn't want me living in the barracks. I once told a LTC to take the cotton out of his ears, and put it in his mouth. I had a Second Lieutenant who was involved in a DUI on post; she asked me if she could have a Officer Counselor. LOL! I did help a lot of Soldiers though. This one Private turned up positive for Cannabis, and claimed that he accidentally hate a hash brownie. I informed his First Sergeant that this was plausible, and h got off with just a one week education program.
You my friend are a saint! You definitely are an unsung hero.
Might be hated at the time, but as a vet who fights alcohol issues and has a dui who my command actually took care of me. Not like sweeping it under the rug but helped me to fight it (my team leader, squad leader, platoon sgt., and smg. All individually smoked... fuck that they broke the rock) but they made me a better man! 1 beer per hour at the bar no more, rarely have whiskey at the bar. They might have hated you then but i bet later on they feel blessed to have had you jump up their ass and straighten them out. I know i am!!! You didnt serve your country, you served the one's who serve, unsung hero
I spent 3 years in but two years in the Hospital recovering from my wounds from Vietnam. It took a lot of rehab on my own to pass the police tests. Well, 28 years later on the job, I found myself locking up guys I went to school that were beating their wives, drunk, drugs. There was NO sorry buddy, everybody goes with me. I treated everyone the same at all times and it worked out well. I was our Chief FTO and told my trainees, NEVER, NEVER LIE! A lie is never told the same way twice. That too paid off and I retired with a clean conscience!!!
What MOS were you
@@sithninjacowboyranger9803 91B Behavioral Science Specialist.
In MP AIT we were always taught the special saying when dealing with the higher ranks and I got the opportunity to use it one time. I told a Colonel at West Point one time: "Sir, please do not confuse your rank with my authority". That didn't go too well, I had to call my commanding officer to smooth the Colonel over. However, the Colonel did realize that what I said wasn't wrong.
Lol thats a running gag even in the Marine Corps
Actually, you need to remember that your "authority" does not supersede regulations.
MPs hardly have an idyllic life. We had every move scrutinized. Everything had to be at the highest standards. And the Mickey Mouse could often be enormous!
@@stevenpilling5318 Rule of life, if you place yourself above others, expect to be highly scrutinized.
@@stevenbass732 I didn't place myself above anyone. I was handed a job and expected to carry it out. They gave us authority to do so effectively.
DD214 livin' the dream...
Amen
Iâm loving your videos! I was an 11B for 4 years and an 18B for the rest of my career. In SF we loved our support guys. Treat them like gold and they take care of us, so when we had our foreign weapons at a range or something weâd bring as many of them as we could and teach them about that stuff as well as demolitions or whatever else we were playing with. Iâve been out for some time, so a lot has changed army wide. Itâs nice to catch up.
Me and my wife where just struggling to eat because they lost my BAH paper work 6 times and at the time i was PFC and yelled at this CPL and told him we were hardly able to make ends meet he didn't care my platoon sgt came back and proceeded to throw his monster through the wall and chewed them out. My BAH started that week and I never had a problem with S shop again
Fuck yeah
Your platoon Sergeant should have taken you up to G1 to fix that problem.
@@tboldt4973 Being in the G1 thatâs something we donât focus too much on. The highest that goes is HHD S1
I used to be an Admin guy. One of the things I never tolerated was using the S-1 as a bartering chip. One of the biggest absolutes was the discharge paperwork. Any of it can be wrong becoming a nightmare to repair while legit benefits are denied. I've fired clerks that intentionally did it wrong "to get even". The beauty of the DD214 now is that raw data is never entered into each field. It is now "call by reference"; which means what is in block X, will be identical to what is transferred to block Y. Numbers automatically perform their own math.
i woulve slapped you straight up.
im a SSG in S1. . aint no way you coming in here talking crazyđ
deadass would slapped you
As a former infantry soldier I made friends with two personnel that were not infantry the first being a cook clothes made the meals for the field shell and in the rear. The second was or medic who took care of us in the field known as doc
The other guy you needed to make friends was supply truck drivers,
Or supply period , but the truck drivers can get you things in the field , like hot meals , I used to have them drop us by a good hot meal every once in awhile. I was a scout, a rather sharp one , itâs good to be in headquarters company
I was just discussing this the other day with my younger Soldiers. We treated Doc like gold. Cooks were golden too as long as the words one Protein and One starch never came out of their mouths. One Mess Daddy tried that once. Our BC and CSM jumped his sh*t. "None of my Soldiers are on the 600-9 program so give them what they want. And if I ever hear another complaint about this you will find yourself out of your job." We loved LTC Anderson and CSM Freeman. 4/87Inf. 25th ID.
@@Flintlock1972 legally not possible per regulation the serving size is all that you are authorized anything more and theyâre just doing it out of kindness. Definitely an IG complaint towards you or the leadership
After many weapons cleaning sessions, I learned that trying to rush only leads to frustration. Go watch TV, and be one of the last to turn in your weapon, a lot less picky when they want to go home.
Thats funny i used to do the same i figured arms rooms dude gotta go home too
Never piss off supply, medics or admin. They have A LOT of sway over your various records.
Yup and helped me to ETS out before I was held accountable (i.e.. Marijuana Positive) A Major League Thanks to Sgt. Fish, SFC Shelby and the XO who I will not name. Miss you guys and Fish, RIP.
I had a really nice S1 guy. He didnât charge me for two leaves, that were two weeks long, each! I ETS with an extra month of pay.
Ok, you have to be a complete idiot to piss off a medic.
Mechanics and Cooks too
Admin can always send your 201 file to âBum fuck Egypt, or the Supply sergeant can somehow loose your CIF paperwork, and its now only 2 hrs before you ETS that they find that you need to fork over $400.00 for the missing body armor, helmet, or whatever you were issued, and then the NCOIC of your dispensary that finds that you need to have a whole series of shot that you so convienlely failed to get, and now you have to endure a whole series of shots, plus another set of testing that goes past your ETS dateâŠ.
I was in 26 years as an MP, retired as SGM. I NEVER left the Combat Units, I would rather take care of the Division soldiers at all times then ever write them up. I would deploy with these folks into high threat environments and got ALL my support from those UNITS. WOULD NOT BE GOOD to have those folks HATE you when you need that support. Would always try to cultivate a good relationship with those folks and NEVER BE A DICK!!!!!!!!
My son was a 68W, now thereâs an MOS you better make friends with!
What is 68W? Iâm new to the military and I donât have a phone to search it up.
@@MarcLloydZ A combat Medic
@@MarcLloydZ how u on youtube thenđ
"I very much dislike medics," said no soldier ever.
Damn straight! Patched me up more than once, Doc is a Godsend!
I've always believed that choosing your MOS is the single most important choice you make when joining. The first time in the Army, I was in the Signal Corps. It wasn't bad and definitely could have been worse. Served that first enlistment in S. Korea and Ft. Riley, KS. For the second enlistment I was Military Intelligence and that was fantastic. Language training for a year at the Presidio of Monterey and a nice, cushy liaison job in Germany afterwards. Probably one of the best jobs in the Army.
I was MI. The problem is, you can't say that in public when you get out. Sets off the howler monkeys. "You're a lahr, monkey finger, no whott mayun ever got no jawb lokk thayut" there seems to be a direct connection between stupidity and mispronounced vowels
One of the favorite part of being an Army Medic, is that when we did range days, that we got to fire whatever weapon that was on the range (1 stayed in the ambulance, 1 on the range ), was firing whatever leftover ammo was left over, but we didnât have to clean that particular weapon, since we werenât part of that particular unit. Doc W
Yep!,....that was my favorite part of being a medic. Every range small arms or Bradley, when done they would say " doc ! wanna clean up?" Also while desert storm was still desert shield I was independent with the 19D's (scouts) and a couple times they let me drive the Bradley to and from the field trains. That was the best but kept saying slow down docđ€Ł
A friend I've known since high school was in payroll during his time in Germany. He told me some good stories about losing pay records of certain Soldiers that messed with him. Their pay records could go missing for months, which meant no pay until those records are found. This was way back in the 70's before everything was computerized.
We sent a few a-holes records to Ft Wainwright.
50+ years the US Army has been paying with checks from Fort Benjamin Harrison.
Tons of people hated our EMMO (Evaluation team from HHB) But I was friends with them. My old platoon SSG was a part of it and I got to know the rest of EMMO. I got some nice perks, like no need to run drills for training since I'm teaching everyone their drills. My old platoon SSG always made sure I never passed my evals with a 100%, but will write me off as a 100 for the other drill (we have drills for PAC2 and PAC3). Nothing is more prestigious than a Specialist getting a high five from a Master Sergeant or a SFC and talking to them like you were invited to their house for a BBQ.
When I was in mech infantry, I made friends with the other battalion mechanics, POL guys, and Motor Sergeants. My PSG and PL along with my Squad Leader and the Platoon was grateful that our platoon never got dinged for any shortfalls on equipment. I borrowed and traded when parts or equipment was on order. On Battalion, Brigade, or Division inspections, when you have parts missing but later place it on order works. I have asked and traded items from POL, track pads, tools, heaters, and borrowed TA-50 for other guys for inspections. I kept shit hidden in cars and in the motor pool for when the occasion comes up. I was the platoon scrounger along with my 2 assistants "Will" and "Jerry" back at Ft. Carson back in 1988. The Army was a unique place to grow up in and learn some trades like networking. Will drives trucks and has an awesome car collection after he retired from the Army. Jerry became a repo man after getting out but became a car insurance guy after. Crazy fuckers going along with my scheme back in our old Army days. I am sure there are more guys in the current Army doing more sophisticated shit than mid 1980s parts trading.
I was a SP4 working in the AGâs office.There was a CWO that on any given day treated my like crap. One day he came in and asked me how my day was and commented that he heard I was typing the OER reports and asked if he could have an advance copy before meeting with the LTC. I smiled and said âIâm sorry sir, but Iâm not authorized to give out that information.â He went back to treating me like crap.
The evil arms room man! Rejecting every weapon because he is checking the chamber with the funky finger!
I was S-1 and got tired of working all the time. The grunts would be sitting on there ass and chilling. Then you had to do all the grunt stuff. So I became an 11BP. Promotions was quicker, more chance for schools. Just do not let anyone know you can type that or drive a military vehicle. Just PMS those boots and the ruck, clean your weapon and you are off duty. Also when you know how a 4187 works, you will be the local hero, making stuff happen over night sometimes
As a 52D there was a strong dislike for my kind (we were not "real mechanics"), that is until we went to the field and everyone wanted their power turned on.
Enjoying these videos. Cant wait what christmas brings!
Thought I was the only one that had issues with S1.
Clerks and jerks
In my day, it was almost always the Chem/NBC battalions that got the most grief. The only fist fights I ever saw in Killeen bars had their roots in someone being identified as one of the guys that lay down that nasty CS powder on some tank trail.
I'm a little late but things got better with our S1 when they jumped the TOC. They were half way to their point and they got hit with a complex ambush. They called for help and my Platoon SGT informed them they were outside our business hours and to try again tomorrow. They freaked out. Ya we eventually went to help but had to scare them. When my Platoon SGT was asked why did he do it he replied, "Well if they died maybe we could get new personal in that would actually help the Soldiers." We all viewed as a liability than a asset. Our service suddenly got alot better when they realized most of the Battalion wanted them dead.
As a CO, when we knew we would be late return from the field the training calendar for recovery ops included a block of weapons maintenance so we weren't fucking around in the COF when the troops should be at home with their families.
Big shout out to my armorer Sean! He was the best.
I served as an MP during the Vietnam Era in country and we had a lot of veterans who had just got back to the country after serving in the Vietnam war and many of them were very angry and had a lot of issues with the military and the war. Many of them would get hammered at the clubs on base.. I made it my priority to take care of these guys and would bring them back to the barracks to sleep it off or get them some food or get them to the hospital etc. there were a few MPS who were real assholes and I would call them out but most part we were a brotherhood who took care of each other and the troopsâŠloved it
In Basic at Fort Ord (1964), we cleaned our M-14âs evert time we took them out, whether for a parade or for firing exercises. At our final cleaning at the end of Basic, I took my weapon to the armorer twice and was told to clean it again each time. After the second time, I took it back to the bay and laid it on my foot locker for an hour while I lost a few bucks in a poker game. Then I took the untouched weapon back to be told that I had finally gotten it right. Gotta learn to play the game.
BEFORE WATCHING THIS VIDEO:
Let me guess, MPâs?
Right
Yes specifically 31brovos
Say it ain't so!
I would love to find out that I have one of you a ticket or apprehended you at some point.
I figure it's gotta be either MPs or armorers
Never ONCE had my weapon rejected by the Armorer!
I was a scout I made friends with every body in HHC. Scouts and 11B will have your back.
My best friend that I lived with at Bragg was an MP so that definitely was a plus. I knew when all the MP secrets were going on and got out of everything. I also had a friend loose a few leave forms after leave. Which lead to 72 days of terminal leave!!! I went on a month long vacation to the beach, 2 weeks with MP best friend in Missouri, 1 week with my dad, and started the first few weeks of college all while I was technically still in the Army on terminal leave! Also I was an 11B2P and yes we 11B Paratroopers even kinda look down on regular 11Bs because they are filthy legs! I mean who doesn't kinda look down on filthy legs! Especially a pog leg, they are just the lowest of the low! Of course it's all just in fun though, we are all part of the same Army family. Plus us 11Bs wouldn't get paid, fed, transported, or taken care of if it wasn't for those supposedly pog MOS personnel.
I also had an MP friend. He was Infantry then was transfered to work in the PMO (Marine Corps MPs). I came on base doing 70sumn in a 45 (the highway was eventually upgraded to 55) and boom, lights behind me. Out steps the guy that we used to shit on lol. He held my driving privileges in his hands and he let me off. Boy....
Oh Yeah, old school.
First year at Ft. Bragg around 1986, two of my friends and I were walking around main post when some 11bs from 82 started harassing us. My friend told them that they had better stop because he (pointing to me) works finance and can stop your pay, he (pointing to other friend) work in personnel and can have you transfered to Greenland and I, himself, work in mortuary affairs and can have you dead. We were left alone after that.
I had an MP follow me from gate 7 on Stewart all the way to my motor pool just to say I missed a stop sign and next time Iâll get a ticket đ
1-64 here đ„Č
Theyâre not even real cops lol
@@vel6979 Depends on your definition of a real cop. MP's can charge you with federal and military crimes, issue tickets for vehicle and traffic laws, carry a loaded weapon anywhere on post while on duty. Enter your quarters to search it (when authorized by the post commander), enter any building if it is suspected that a crime occurred. They can investigate alleged crimes, collect evidence, read you your Miranda rights, but you know, everyone definition of a real cop is different nowadays.
ricksher1320 sure they have theyâre little power in base but outside of it theyâre useless. So no not a real cop
@@vel6979 Actually that is not completely true. They are allowed to follow off base and make arrest if the crime was committed on base. If the President declares a national emergency and waives posse comitatus then they have full arrest authority. FYI on most bases the local PD have absolutely no authority either so does that make them not real cops? It is only the Posse Comitatus act the restrict the MPs to on base only.
Active duty from 92-95, it generally went something like this to as to whom to be friends with, at least on post: MP's (leniency on stops, speed trap/dui checkpoint locations on the weekends), Supply (unit armorer and hook up on gear), mess section (MOAR FOOD, Ft Riley had pretty good dining facilities, field mess could be not half bad), motor pool Sargent (When you just need to check in/out a vehicle and get on with your day)
Finance is one. I noticed many of my friends had a love/ hate relationship with us, but usually soldiers preferred coming to me because I got it done quickly.
73C here, a lot of folk have a love/hate relationship with us
Hi, sure there are those MPâs that think they are a gift to the Army. In my day I did both 95B and 95C training. There were times you had no other choice but to take someone in, but to the most part we gave people a break when possible. And we would drive people home if possible instead of letting them drive. Many times it would be senior NCO, that were getting ready to retire, we did not want them to lose their pensions. We would warn people but if they acted up then we had to act. Oh trouble was mostly from the wives when we got people home, it was always the same question from them, why did we let them get drunk? The next day they would call and apologize and thank us. I move on from street duty to my primary MOS 18C40 so I was placed in a fast reaction unit when needed. I still volunteered for street work when possible.
I had an M203, fired it once.
When i went to turn it back in, the Armourer just took the tube and banged it on the desk, to go Out of Round, and just pulled a new tube and put it on. We were on a friendly basis, it helps to be friendly and helpful.
Iâm surprised 92G isnât up here. EVERYONE loves to hate the cooks until itâs time to go to the field and no one wants an MRE đđ€Łđđ€Łđ€Łđđ€Ł
I learned early on to respect cooks. They bust ass. Even during Desert storm when we had the same meal for a week straight, we knew it was a supply screwup not their fault.
No, you dont fuck with the cooks. They can make your plate small or big depending if they like you. I always felt sorry for them amd their long hours...
Being part of a more mobile engineer detachment who worked with infantry as part of a tanker brigade, we always hated the tank companies until we got hooked up with them in the field for chow. They always got hot chow and cold lemonade. Always a plus after you've pounded pickets and swam in mud all day.
Having an feeling old moment. I was a Unit Supply Specialist/ Armorer in the eighties and early nineties when the MOS was 76y. Iâm surprised they changed the number and I missed it. So far a short Google search has not revealed when the change occurred.
I hated most of the E-1-E-4 MPs however it seems the E-5 or E-6 MPs were pretty cool (in my experience). I hear the lower enlisted MPs have a power trip straight of high school lol. Retired 20-year Cav Scout here, Great video.
My Dad was a MP in the Army in World War Two. I figured I'd make him proud. So i followed in his footsteps & also became an MP in the Army to. ( One footnote about my Father in World War Two, My Dad & his partner caught a German SS officer. Chasing him & caught him on the rooftops.Whiđąle on patrol. M Dad so Happy when i told him i was following in his Footsteps as a Military Policeman in the Army.I was & still Proud of my Dad.Also the Greatest Generation.
Yeah, that was our favorite line to use for anyone from general officer on down, "Sir! Please do not confuse your rank with my authority." đźđ
I spent 21 years serving in the Army. I was lucky enough to serve in 3 different MOSs. I was combat arms as a Scout 19D. I spent several years as Military Police in 7th Corp HQ and as K-9. The last was as a Medic with an infantry Bn. I enjoyed and was able to learn a lot from these positions. I was able to take care of the troops in all 3 MOSs. Direct other units to the enemy, I gave breaks to many different troops as an MP, and took care of my troops as a Medic. I always respected those that I served in these positions and those I served with.
Same 20 years and 2 months. I was 11C first then a 21E and then a 92G. that's right i was a damn cook! lol!
I was also a 19d. Combat arms? I want 11d to come back. Every Scouts dream. Am I right?
When I saw this video I was already thinking that my MOS had to be here. Proud MP!
I spent a month on the Fort Bragg Fair detail, which provided me a rare and special opportunity to speak with a lot of MPs, dozens of them. Only one of them liked their job. Otherwise, they were the most miserable people because EVERYBODY hates law enforcement. They're not recognized by police organizations. Their main job is to be the garrison commander's extension to enforce UCMJ.
They're not really military police. They're there to police the military.
And 90% of their job is to, unfortunately, respond to domestic issues.
I was a Small Unit Armorer for a while and there were guys that were pricks that paid the price but by the same turn my cooks, medics, and Top didn't clean their own weapons. I took care of them and did it myself. Top kept me out of trouble with a micromanaging LT. We eventually got said LT relieved of command.
I remember in Iraq, my armorer offered to clean my weapon for a fee. Certainly was worth the cost to get a little extra rest, and he did a hell of a good job as well.
MPs...I remember in Iraq, they handed out tickets on base at BIAP. I never got a ticket, but knew soldiers who got caught speeding. Those tickets go to your command. That isnât good for you if you get pulled over. Usually, that means remedial training. (edit) 11Bravo, guilty as charged. đșđž
I never had to do that on deployment. The ONLY reason MPs did that was because the Commander of the Base said there were to many accidents, to much dust, or it just seemed against good order and discipline to THEM. I personally would not have liked that duty. I spent my time in Iraq, from Invasion to departure doing Patrols, EPW escorts, Supply Escorts, VIP Security, IP Support/Training, and Combat with whatever group was pointing an AK at me, or trying to blow us up with an IED.
I went to Iraq in 2008 as an MP. My company was doing patrols and moving detainees around to other FOB in Iraq. How crazy is it that there were MPs writing tickets in Iraq lol wtf but so true
Spent 4 tours in Iraq, (MP) only ever went to BIAP for refit or as an escort mission. Definitely pretty lame to see the tenant MP units doing traffic patrol (my opinion).
@@cowbyupnow1 yea, because we were shot at and blown up and other MP units were pulling us over in the fob.
While deployed, unless you were driving dangerously, the 1SG would tear up the tickets that landed on his desk.
This is a croc! That leave paperwork that goes missing becomes a Court Marshal for you both!
My friend was a 13C but the entire time we were at the unit he was the armorer and picked up the mail. Had a roomate that worked S1.
đBullseye. Was drafted in the 60ies, was a 11b grunt. Had an accident in Ft Benning on my mid sized bike after 2lt OD stopped me for going a bit over speed limit. He was a good guy, i was a cocky young grunt. Was put in motor pool parts room as spec4, you can do big favors for the nco's n some 2nd louies who had Fords n boats, mos in supply can corrupt a good soldier. Was bumped up to spec 5, no kp. Our armor,from Chicago would talk to all the rifles when noone was around, he was in my platoon. He went to prison, not Vietnam. Sorry for the rant.âđșđžđșđž
Even 11B's cry for the medic...
Doctors are #1 when everything happens
More than once for some of us who donât learn to duck quick enough.
Good video and content. Thanks for sharing this.
I was an armor and freaking hated, sending weapons back out, but my first sergeant was right there. Nothing I can do.
I was an MPI 8 years loved it.
5:20 I was real good friends with our mail clerks, which also happened to be S1. I've definitely been blessed in that regard. Had the best terminal leave ever.
Spent 3 years in CID, canât really be friends with them, but nobody else wants to be your friend.
I was a cook in the army, nobody looked at me if they thought they were better than me. They knew they would go hungry
Yeah, because they couldnât just crack open an MRE.
Especially in a field environment lol. I would get so pissed when people would give me attitude, Iâd be like âWell, then, dude/Sgt/Sir/Maâam, if you wanna give me that attitude, go ahead and get an MRE cuz Iâm not dealing with you and your attitude
@@yukisanscorner3582 I'd be the one issuing the mres so they would be waiting for a while
Army '70 to '72 and we still had KP then, so you would end up not liking the "spoons" very much. I hated KP, can you tell?
Cooks and Medics were your best friend. Food from the mess hall anytime and a medical profile for a day or two after sick call. Mechanics sometimes got on your nerves though. I drove an M113. An old one at that. It was always breaking down. The mechanics would come down to your spot of the line, look the track over and then sit there supervising while you had to do all the work. But at least they taught you a thing or two. Worked out well while in the field.
You just described my whole unit. 40% are MP 31E, 40% are supply 92Y, 10% are 42A. The rest are random MOS from intel to plumber.
I was a 54B (chemical operations specialist) back in the 80âs & 90âs. Our AIT was at Ft. McClellan AL, the same place the MP (mud puppies LOL) there was always animosity between the two mosâs. But in the field, we were despised! We were the gassers! We operated the âgas chambersâ ran the NBC rooms, conducted the NBC/CBRN portions for EFMB and EIB soldiers, and when ever someone earned a no go, it was ALWAYS our mistake not the soldier being tested!
I went to basic and AIT at Ft. McClellan 10Oct84-20Feb85, D-10 and I have the distinct recollection that what you refer to as the "Gas chamber" was more commonly known as the "Disco Hut!"
I had a buddy of mine in S1, who was the recorder of the board and gave me the questions that the members of the board would always ask. Turns out I ended up doing my board with TACSOP questions. Which wasnât bad because itâs literally what I do in the field. Passed anyways
As a soldier you should show respect to everyone regardless if it's military or civilians. We Americans are family after all.
True, although that one cav scout comes along with a big head and challenges that notion head on
Cringe
So true...when I shoot at Camp Perry, you have to take the pistols to the one of the military armorers to have the triggers weighed to be at least 4 lbs., once they weigh them they place a special tape on the trigger guard. So important not to irrate them, for they can mess you up and put more poundage on the trigger or they can adjust it perfectly at 4 lbs. and believe me that makes a huge difference in competition. I donât want them to know my name or who I am only that they know I have been awarded a DPS Badge...
I hate all 42As in the S1. Late to relieve staff duty, late on orders, losing leave, 3 hour lunches, etc. I learned early to make 50 copies of everything before turning in anything. Iâm still finding orders from 2008.
Damn, 50 copies of everything before turning in anything
@@malcolmxraw1342 Yep! Those extra copies came in handy when people hoarded toilet paper during COVID.
@@zachc8706 sounds like a great example of its better to have what you dont need than to need what you dont have
At AIT as a 42A my instructor always told me about how many jacked up S1 shops there are in the army. Glad I got lucky to one thatâs caught up on everything
@@javierdiaz2799 the army is an honest branch. Im constantly told how hard it would be for an infantryman
Surprisingly us scouts arenât on this list
As a mechanic (pog), 11b's would push and talk me into going with them in their training and ask if I'm going to reclass
Youâre the man chris!
Your motor Sergeant that wants you to re pmcs your deadlined vehicle for the tenth time befor they look at it.
I learned early on, in my time in the Army, to make friends with the Supply personnel as well as the Cook's. Don't mess with the MP's and they wont mess with you.
Yup.
The only MPs I ever remember seeing were at the gate on the way to work and back everyday.
@@Nga_Babaye Same with me. At Ft. Bliss, TX, and Ft Carson, CO, I only saw the MP'S at the gate, but they never bothered me.
I worked in S-1 in both battalion's I was stationed in. This was in the late 80s early 90s, I was a 71L Admin Spec. You mentioned taking leave, boy I used to hook myself up and never got caught. My sergeants were the ones who taught me to do it. LOL! I always had plenty of leave time. Those were the days.
Me too Jeff!! Was a 71L from 87-94!! Hooked myself up with stuff a lot!! Was in charge of room assignments in the barracks and never had a roommate đ€Ł
5:41 ... Chaos, in the Corps, battalion never drafted up leave papers for Marines. That was ran up to company-level by the platoon sergeant or SNOIC and it went from there.
Other than being friends in certain MOSs, its good to be friends with Senior NCOs at Military Schools or the S3. This is good because certain schools like airborne, pathfinder, air assault or non badge schools like Unit Movement Officer Course or Ammo Handlers course may be available that they can put your name down on the list for that slot. The S3 has the list of all schools available on post or what each unit that has slots for a particular military school that can send soldiers TDY. Another person to be friends with is the the Sergeant Major/Commandant of a NCO Academy, or the Commandant of the Drill Sergeant School. They can help NCOs that want to be drill sergeants. The CSM of the NCO academy can NCOs that may want to be Academy instructors known as SGL ( Small Group Leaders ) get assigned to that unit. Plus the CSM can move soldiers from unit to unit under that battalion if that unit has a slot for them. Some NCOs can negotiate to go to another unit for leadership position like Platoon Sergeant or Battalion slot. Its also good to befriend the branch NCOs that can help soldiers with certain assignments such as Drill sergeant, recruiter, or even instructor, or help NCOs/soldiers get certain duty stations as well. This more for soldiers that have been in a while and made rank to at least Sergeant E5.
I was the 1st Bde 5th ID Bde Schools 1988-1989. While I never did things that went against the grain. I will say some Battalions were easier to work with than others and they made great use of filling alternate positions and their soldiers got more training and schools than others. Never underestimate the value of being liked and being personable.
I loved being a 67Y (Cobra Mechanic). We got to wear flight suits and it was super slack.
Yep, I was an MP and that was so true. We associated with other MP's mostly.
Imagine your S1 buddy, unbeknownst to you, doesn't charge you for leave, and you catch an Article 15
I was MP for just over 8 years starting back in the late 60's.
I was a petroleum supply specialist when I was in the U.S. Army. I remember some of the grunts look down on us because we were Quarter Master and not infantry. It was ok because when they need fuel, they came crawling to us and ask "can we get some fuel?" We were buddies after that.
I joined as a 92f too, its been one of those things where your always needed
I don't care what career field someone served in, so long as they served to the best of their ability and got out honorably or retired as such. The branch of service, same thing there. I served 8 years in the USAF. I came in Security Forces (MP) and then cross trained out of that and into what at the time was called SOWT (Special Operations Weather Team/Special Recon). Today they call it Air Force Special Warfare/Special Recon. I deployed and got 7 combat tours under my belt in my 8 years of enlistment, and none of that makes me any better of an individual than anyone else.
There are people from each branch, from many different career fields, that I've worked with or around, and again, as long as they did their job to the best of their abilities, and served honorably, that is what matters most. I wasn't there to be everyone's friend, but that doesn't mean we weren't all on the same side. I saved as many lives as I could in my time in service, and I would be remiss to fail in pointing out that my life has been saved many a time by others in other branches of service and in other career fields. I've had friends in each branch across many career fields, and I hold dear, each of those friendships.
The only ones I question now about what side they are on, would be the VA, who I'm still fighting and have been for 10 years now for those benefits listed in my enlistment contract, and those who willfully today, stand against our country, and those who either legislate in that same kind of manner, or vote for such legislation or against the US Constitution, and in particular, the Bill of Rights. I swore an oath of enlistment, and while my time in service is up, I still breathe, and therefore, my watch isn't over.
To those who also served and to those continuing to serve, thank you.
MPâs donât âget you into trouble.â YOU get YOURSELF into trouble. They just catch you doing it. đ
As they should.
It's more like the tattle tale little brother I guess lol
Havenât started the video yet, but if 42A isnât here this video is a damn lie.
My very 1st mos back in 2003 lol
At 4:06 Nailed it.
Lol they maybe Chairborne but a best friend for getting your leave paperwork on the top of the pile, or a subtle hint to the CO or other high staffers that a award or promotion should be considered and so a nudge is now commenced without brown nosing
That's no shit. I thought was just at my two duty stations.
I hate that attitude about Infantry i was that way once. but i shook it off once i got into the guard after a couple of years realizing that you does not matter what you do in the Army everyone has a job to do if we don't work together and have all these MOS's we cannot make the dream work!
I was an MP when I was in. Always hated when someone had rank, officers spouse or kids and any gs civilian.
My 1st MOSin 1980 in the 82nd Airborne was 05C. Radio Teletype.. In 1983 I was medically discharged after a Parrachute accident..I after breaking my jaw, knocking out 10 teeth and other medical problems, accepted the medical discharge. In 1997 after being back on the block for 14 years In 1997 I reenlisted.. 17 years later and add on my previous active duty years, i in 2015 I had my 20 years and called it a life and retired.. During my years I was reclassed to 31R Microwave communications,. 42A Admistration ( due to a position needed for " Filling. a Deployment slot..) Then after deployment I was reclassed again for 31B and 31E.. Military Police and Detainee handling procedures..I know I am not truly qualified to answer all questions, I will try.. I am not carrying a heavy enough former rank (E6 at retirement promotable recieved E7 on retirement) After 20 years, in the 82nd, Recondo, 4 MOSs, 2 deplyments for OIF. I can not give any answers.. But I say to all, this Soldier knows all that is needed.. He will give information at the best of his abilities..
I entered the US Marine corps in November of 1979 on an open contract which virtually guaranteed you were headed to the infantry. Somehow or another I was given MOS 5811 ( M.P.) I went thru school at army base Ft. McClellan Alabama and was then assigned to 1st Mar Div. Camp Pendleton Ca. I hated being an MP, I didnât enlist to be a cop and after about a year and a half dozen request mass chits I got my MOS changed to 0311 ( infantry) but I have to say, me and they other MPâs I hung around with went out of our way to avoid jamming up other Marines. Pendleton is primarily a training base with several different schools (camps) within it, and we understood that these trainees were fresh out of boot camp and over compensating after 13 weeks of being wailed on by drill instructors. About the only way Iâd jam a Marine is if they did something to serious to overlook, or if they challenged me. There was a shore patrol office trailer in the city of Oceanside where the city cops would bring Marines that got in trouble in town. I couldnât possibly count the number of guys I dropped off in their company area as opposed to those I actually took to the PMO.
As far as being in the infantry, you made a statement about grunts being arrogant and then, probably unconsciously, explained that attitude when you said if you had a friend in the infantry he would have your back.
The biggest possible boost to your confidence is knowing that if things ever turned real ugly, every grunt in your company, hell in your battalion, would be there for you. Iâm not trying to take anything away from the other MOSâs, but I doubt the people in admin could say the same.
In the Marine Corps there were 3 types of people you never pissed off, Disbursing, they could screw with your pay, the cooks, they could screw with your food, and the Corpsmen (medic) and this I learned from personal experience, they can screw with and arrange for your shot records to be lost.
LOL. One of my best buddies was a 31B MP Desk Sergeant.
Have done my time as a Desk Sergeant... hated it.
I was the enemy of the Arms room guy. LOL đ
i was a 91B20 working in the post surgeons office, medical records that got misplaced raised hell with what shots were needed when deploying overseas...
I joined the Navy in 1966 as a Gunners Mate making GMG3/E4. Served 2 tours (2 years '67-'69) in the Brown Water Navy in Vietnam. With the cutbacks of personnel starting in 1970 I found myself back in civilian life. In 1972 I joined the Army National Guard as a Corporal 11B (11Bush). Many years later I retired as an Infantry Captain having served as a Company Commander 3 times beginning as a 1LT. Best MOS in the Army!!!
Whenever someone in our unit got arrested or DUI , our Company Commander would put a bounty on the local MP battalion : 4 day passes and ARCOMâs were pretty common for whomever was responsible or partially responsible for putting an MP in the Hospital . Canât Spell âWimpâ , Without MP .
The problem with cleaning weapons is that the arms room gives out dirty rags and equipment that won't clean your weapon properly. Solution: bring your own cleaning kit with some Dawn dishwashing liquid, and a container big enough for your bolt carrier group. Trust me, it works.
As for S-1: I was a S-1 NCOIC, and yes all the stuff you suggested is illegal. Processes are processes and once anything leaves BN, it is out of the S-1's hands. The solution is to take responsibility for your own documents. When your leave form is approved, make several copies and take them with you when you sign out. Use a DA Form 200 when submitting documents. It's a receipt for your documents. Most of all, don't talk shit about S-1 personnel. Use a little professionalism and respect, and things will go better for you. In my shop, we never had special hours, and routinely stayed till to 1800 or later in order to help everyone who was in the shop prior to 1700.
In all cases, understanding someone else's job goes a long way in how you treat those people, and how you are treated by them. If you talk shit about someone whose help you need, don't be surprised when you get treated like shit.
2 years into my 8, I took 3 weeks of leave and it legitimately got lost after I took the leave. I didn't know anyone in S1, so I had nothing to do with it and was 'forced' to take leave again to burn some leave! hahaha I had to take one for the team!
I will hopefully be going in the army as a 91F just gotta study for the ASVAB
I was told by a Very Wise Sergeant early in my military career that there are 4 people in the company you DO NOT fuck with:
1. Top. Cuz, duh.
2. Doc. Doc talks to the battalion PA and you get a shot record review...
3. The supply sergeant. Do you have stuff? Are you missing stuff? Do you need stuff? Supply controls all the stuff, ok?
4. The Armory guy. In most companies the armory guy IS NOT a school-trained armorer. There's a lot of demand for that MOS in the military and there's usually not enough of them to go 'round. So what happens is the CO grabs an incoming E4 and tells him, 'I'm making you the Armory NCO. If you do a good job, it's a fast track to E5'. Which often means that the Armory guy is highly motivated make sure everything is hunky-dory in his cage. Which makes him a nit-picky bastard. Pissing him off will guarantee that you'll be replacing more than one uniform item because it got Break Free all over it.
Chaos your shield is showing up again đ€Ł