Bill Johnson - Friendship with God
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- Bill shares about being best friends with Holy Spirit, getting to know His heart, and just being in His presence. Power must flow out of intimacy.
"It's difficult to expect the same fruit of the early church when we value a book they didn't have, more than the Holy Spirit they did have... It's not Father, Son and Holy Bible"
"If I do not stay conscious of the God who invades the impossible, then I will reduce ministry to my ministry gifts."
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It really starts getting interesting when you trust God enough to approach Him as a friend seeking closeness, there is so much God wants to give us now!
God becomes the rewarder of the ones diligently seeking to find Him.
he's right we need to be friends with God and do things because we love Him and we have relationship with him.
I loved when he said,.....it's Father, Son, Holy Spirit,.......not Father, Son, Holy Bible. The Holy Spirit is actually a living source,....living outside of mechanics or conjuring in anyway,......He's alive,....gives enlightenment to the bible, and continues to thrust us into greater works(power) of Jesus, and beyond this!!!!! John 14:12
Guardian of the Golden Stool yet Bethel continues to conjure all sorts of lies and deceit covering it up with cute half truths.
This statement does nothing other than make it okay for Christians to live outside of what the bible says. It denigrates the Word of God in a totally inexcusable way. This is Montanism, a known heresy in the early church, redressed with a more charismatic leader.
People get all kinds of flack for coming “against” Bill Johnson and Bethel, but honestly, as someone who used to be caught in the throes of it all, I can honestly say that if you test his work against the Word of God, and let the Word of God speak for itself instead of reading your own (or Bill’s) presuppositions into the text, you’ll find that Bill is not preaching the true gospel, but rather a get spiritual quick diet that amounts to nothing more than damnable heresy.
I urge you to seek the Lord in this, and don’t just take my word for it, and don’t dismiss me as just another hater, because I’m not. Earnestly seek the Lord that He would show you whether Bill is speaking truth, or whether it is lies. Use your bibles and discern the truth. It is the revealed word of God profitable for all manner of instruction and rebuke so that the people of God can be readily equipped for every good work.
The Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead, but God gave us scripture as a means of revealing His will to us.
Also, they did have the whole Torah, the Talmud and various other writings. Sooooo, there’s that.
I don’t say these words lightly, because if I am wrong, then it is I who am speaking damnable heresy, and the consequences of such are extraordinary.
I’m also not one of those “conservative Christians” who doesn’t believe in any sort of Charismatic expression”, yet it is crucial that we view them through the proper lens of the bible.
Guardian of the golden stool... Yes!!!
I pray that all of us will experience this kind of intimacy with the Father! Lord, show us that we can be your friend. Show us that you love us as you love your Son.
Amen.
My goodness, this message is still so good to this day. What a blessing this evening to hear this message
How many revelations like this has anyone had without the Spirit of God -including Bill Johnson? none.
Bill just dropped some BOMBS! Whoa. So convicting
A friend of mine shared this link to me ... thank you. If Christians the world over would only dedicate their lives in living "the heart of the law" rather than endlessly arguing over "the letter of the law", we wouldn't have over 33,000 to a million conflicting sects, denominations and NON-denominational churches around. Too bad these days, people still base their judgments on the outward appearance of things, a book by its cover and a man by his color. Beauty is within! God Bless everyone!
WHAT AN ON TIME WORD! PRAISE KING JESUS FOREVERMORE!
Lord, forgive me for wanting to be filled with you so that I can be a big deal before man. Teach me to want you for you and you alone.
Like you said it is about focusing on Christ, and not focusing on not sinning that makes a Christian right with him. It is like making not sinning or following the law an idol to be worshiped. I prayed about it, the Lord led me to some scriptures like you said he would and my eyes were opened. Thank you brother, God bless you.
We are part of the body of Christ what ever Church you go to as long as Jesus Christ is in our hearts.
Glory to God. Love you pastor Bill, timely word.
This teaching is so good!!! Friendship with God- the ultimate goal. To be like David- a man (or woman) after God's own heart.
Amazing. Bill Johnson is a man who hears the voice of God. I am thankful that he is obedient.
You are right brother. I once thought that all it took to know God was just to pray and seek him, however all I did was get filled up all by myself and didn't utilize it for anyone else. I take the example of Christ to heart. He prayed, sought what the spirit would do, then he went work the miracles. After that, he went back, and prayed. Prayer and seeking then action. Seeing the spirit and then doing the good works. Bless God and bless you.
i needed this now.. because my priorities have been based on "doing" instead of being
Since you commented here seven years ago how has your walk with the Lord been on becoming the word?
It´s easy, man. He has the gift of teaching. He has the capacity to brings God´s mind. Be blessed.
*Many blessings.* 🖌🖌
Wow! So much revelation in this message. Love it
You mean so much deception
What he said about it not being Father, Son, book... It is so true. If it were true the professor I had in my secular religious studies classes I took in college would be saved. Them knowing the word, reading several ancient languages and seeking to know the letter has only killed off their belief. They are completely absent of the spirit and they are atheists. They believe not the truth because the have studied themselves out of belief. If only I could have told them that, God forgive me.
THE WORD AND THE SPIRIT NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER IN ONE CHURCH BEST OF BOTH WORLDS .... the protestants and charasmatics think the other put too much emphasis on word without spirit and the other its vice versa you guys wake up we need balance of both lets come together !!
very good information
I understand what you are saying now, I may be free from outward sins, however I have wicked on the inside because it is me who is thinking that by my own ability I am saved. Instead of putting my focus on Christ, I am prideful in that I think it is me who is submitting when in fact it is the spirit through Christ that allows me to abstain from sin. Also, the heart of man is wicked. The spirit needs to sift me out and keep revealing to me what sins I have inside so that I can grow in him.
I can't believe it! The Christian Church has been debating what Christian Ministry is for CENTURIES, and in 9 MINUTES a very good definition!! Its too easy!
Friendship with God is huge, but works are essential in that friendship. We get to be friends with God by earning more of His favor through good works as we mature in our calling; it is misleading to say that simply abiding in His presence is sufficient for friendship. It is true, but only as we follow Him to do good works, for truly faith without works is dead. Thus, a relationship without fruit is weak...true friendship with God is inseparable from works of maturity done through the Spirit.
Respectfully, this is utter heresy. You can't earn more of His favour through good works. Read Ephesians 1:3-14 and tell me if you honestly think that you could LACK the favor of God. If you are saved, you've received more favour than you could ever possibly deserve, let alone comprehend. The idea that you could earn more of his favour through good works is completely ridiculous. If you don't see how close this comes to the heresies of the Catholic Church (namely the treasury of merit, and the purchase of indulgences), then I would urge you to seriously take time and do some intensive self-examination, because you're treading on some seriously dangerous ground when you start to propogate that we can earn more of God's favor by doing good works.
To your idea that faith without works is dead - the writer isn't saying what you're inferring into the scripture. What he's saying is that true faith is accompanied by works. You are talking about earning more of God's favor through your good works, when the true biblical understanding of this doctrine is that we do our good works BECAUSE we have received the favor of God through His son Jesus Christ. Our good works are a response, not a first cause.
James 2:14-26 NKJV
Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Psa. 138:2 I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.
2Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
The Apostles had the OT Scriptures and many had early writings of the Gospel or the Words of Jesus in the hearts...twisted concept as foundation for this sermon.
Stop twisting Bills words. You are no better than those Pharisees that stalked Jesus pouncing on each word and action of His. Go and listen to what feeds your spirit and let those who are blessed by this be so. Let God decide in His time who are the goat and the sheep.
SPEAK OUT MY DUDE
"The Letter kills" that paul wrote in 2 Cor. 3:6 is the "handwriting of requirements that was against us, which Jesus took out of the way having nailed it to the cross" - Colossians 1:14
Somehow bill Johnson in his dialog contexts it with the 'the book'
A very profound teaching by Bill Johnson. I never thought about this concept yet now I know to be a lover of his presence and it is in that will I be accepted by God our Father.
There has to be a supernatural element for whatever God has told us to do.
In order to grow I need to be tested and like you said about the vines, if the branch bears no fruit it is cast out, torn off, thrown away. However, the branch on the vine that bears fruit will be pruned so that it can bear more fruit. I get what you were saying now. It wasn't clear before but after the messages on here and the PM I realized what you were trying to tell me. It will be under testing, in the flame, by the fiery darts of the devil that I will be tested and my faith tried.
love is the movement
Amazing!! "Prostituting the relationship." I have to listen to this again!!
so good!!!!!!!!
Speechless 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Wow. This video makes me feel so at peace.
Yeah, completely agree. Did I say I was relying on my ability not to sin to save me. No, sir did not. I was saying that Christians who sin only deceive themselves thinking they are saved. It is like walking a fence between heaven and hell. My sufficiency is in the Spirit of God who give me the ability to remain sin free, it is because I abide in the Spirit that I'm not in sin, but walk in the light as he is in the light. Peace out brother. I think you just thought I was focusing on sin.
The word is life and life is in the word but without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit it is just a book. With the Holy Spirit it becomes revelation!
The difference between a servant and a friend is that a friend is task oriented---concerned with completing a list of assignments. wowowowowwowoww
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13
this verse adds some more depth and perspective on this lesson =D
Bill Johnson- One of the greatest people of God in our generation...I was privileged to hear him live at PA(I forgot the exact place),and have him pray over me and my assistant, and click a pic with him🙂
Speaking of which, I need to delete all the unnecessary and foolish things off my page so that it may be a place of life not a place of death. Thank you lord for you are good.
I've listened to Bill quite a bit and find your remarks not applicable BUT I'll give you all the "benefit of the doubt" that I can and remind you that surely, if you understand that true Gospel, then surely you also see that ALL men DO exactly as the Scriptures speak and err with our tongues. The wisest and simplest reference to dealing with that issue I've heard is: "Have the sense of an old cow. Chew up the hay and spit out the sticks."
Let's be gracious to imperfections since we want that.
awesome teaching!
Lovers always outwork workers. Slaves are rewarded. Friends receive a reward and a relationship.
Is that what you think, I am boasting in myself. I am boasting in God, in his power, in his majesty. I'm not bragging on myself. I'm admiring God's ability to keep me from the devil. Is there temptation, of course. We will always be tempted. The holy spirit gives me the will to resist. Please brother, don't act as if you know my heart or know my ways. God knows the heart and my ways I was delivered from a lot of issues in my life and I prayed and fasted until I was no longer a slave to them
AMEN!
Be filled with the holy spirit and stop your quarells!
If I am coming off that way, I'm sure doing a bad job at explaining myself. If your are in full submission to Christ then one isn't sinning, one is submissive to the will of the spirit. To be in sin is not being open to the spirit, and not having the spirit will cause you to remain in sin. Taking up our cross for Christ, having the flesh die, brings about spiritual continual renewal. I think we are saying the same exact thing. Either way, God bless you brother.
my brother in Christ, i see your point. But please speak the truth in LOVE. Ephesians 4:15. God bless :)
What is never expressed clearly is that obedience is possible and easy between friends, also lovers. The injunction to love God and obey him smashes the verbs together, since one leads to the other, and one cannot properly be understood, fleshed out, without the other. That part of our nature which opposes the idea of obedience is evidence of the presence of love that knows Love. To control one's tongue is said to be maturity. To love being controlled by love, mature obedience.
Wow!!!
@irendelle - I heartily agree, I came happened across this sermon by chance, I know very little of Bill Johnson, only that I'm startin to think he may be one of the best teachers I've heard, because he teaches us to be humble and intimate in our relationships with God. I'm really, really exhausted and weary of the divisions all around, if only we could all remember what it really means to relate with the kind of compassion this man is oviously familiar with. God bless everyone!!
bill said (talking about the bible) "it is the spirit of god that makes it living. paul warned us he said the letter kills." he was using 2 cor 3:6 to justify that first sentence. i was just saying that paul's intention in 2 cor 3:6 was not to show how the spirit of god makes the word alive. which is true of course. it was meant to show how we are dead because of the law and our need to be made alive in christ. it is twisting of scripture.
@geiroffenberg - I always wondered about that. Not having the written New Testiment.
Amen
also the repentance thing was good. this was 4 months ago. i am still drawing nearer to him and learning. but you are right it made no sense to say that lol!
I don't know if we are misunderstanding each other or what. My point during this whole time was that is someone is in sin, like the sin in Galations 5:19-21 they will not inherit the kingdom of God. They are only fooling themselves that they are a Christian. My point is that purity doesn't come from us anyway. It comes from the Spirit. Without the Spirit we are dead in our lusts and will be slaves to it. But putting on the spirit bring us freedom from sin, not being in sin anymore.
We love it when a "minister" takes the writing of 2 Corinthians speaking of the Old Covenant an applies it incorrectly. Sounds like someone has never heard of the Council of Carthage. Praise Bethel and the almighty McDonalds of Theology, but hey, its all okay, ive still got God as my best friend WWJD.
PS: Jesus totally didnt say that that he came to fulfill and uphold the Letter (Matthew 17-19) GLORY CLOUDS FOR EVERYONE
Wow
Can translate into Spanish. Listen to only one part and I was interezado the message. Thanks.
If a man is in Sin then he cannot have fellowship with the Holy Spirit. I experienced the gift of speaking in tongues at a youth retreat when I was 8 years of age. However, when I became 12-13, I started battling with lust, perversion, and pornography. This leads to a roller coaster of destruction and an absence of the Spirit. You may have a gift, however you are dead, and dead to Christ, against Christ, and of the house of Satan. I had to completely give it all up in order to know Christ.
I believe Ephesians 4:20-32 is for you. If we are misunderstanding each other here, then I apologize. However, what I get from what you are saying is that holiness is not required. I think 1 Thessalonians 5:16-28 is also for you. Please clarify yourself as to why you went on a rampage about me saying that that light cannot dwell with darkness? How is that not true and evident in the word. Please, once again clarify yourself so that we may understand each other. Bless you brother.
@TheRubberDuck01 Thank you. It's just that I get nervous when Evangelists come out with 'classical quotes' that can sound misleading. If you read the old stuff (Jonathan Edwards, C.H Spurgeon or John Owen etc) they held the Bible in high esteem, not as some idol, but as the authoritative word of God, and never for a moment made comparisons like this. It may have to do with the level of wisdom people had to know the difference. Surely todays preaching is so much watered down than those days.
Yes, I love Roman's 2 especially 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Now I must ask, I don't really understand what point you are making in your above comment. Only God can Judge and he will judge righteously. If anyone be in sin they are damned.
@theKpen How would you use it out of interest?
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@raxorules Cont...
This is the only place I caution on because if you come across too strongly you can become like Peter with the servant of the high priest... Malchus I think is his name. Peter cut off his right ear with the sword. We can also do this with the word, which is also described as the sword as I'm guessing you already know from the scriptural knowledge you have displayed. Jesus healed Malchus because He loved him. We in our flesh can come across as arrogant and also with the need..
his talks and teaching is all about us, you. funny I thought it was all about God.
Harpoman about how to Please God
What's truth? My goodness. The Bible is literally all about God. Read Isaiah, Romans, and John - or any other book for that matter. Anyone who thinks he can please God with his purity or religiosity is a fool. All of our righteousness is as useful as filthy rags. And there is none who seeks after God, no not one. The only righteousness we get is the righteousness imputed to us by Christ’s work on the cross. I’m pretty sure that Harpoman would agree with what I’m saying. It’s also an absolute shame that you stoop to the level of personal insult because he drew attention to the fact that this sermon is baked in a purely myopic paradigm and comes forth in a way that portrays our bibles as an elementary and useless tool.
Matt
I fully understand your concern and think it's very wise of you to be always cautious. However, hearing other of Bill's sermons, and/or reading any of his books would alleviate this concern.....he is fully aware of and promotes the Full Gospel...Not just the traditional "read the Word and you'll be secure in your walk...." point of view taught by many...but in that, PLUS relationship. Being saved doesn't make on a lover, just a child who is elligible for much more.
@s33ds1 He didn't say that reading the Bible without the Spirit will bring death... The word "death"never came out of his mouth. In fact, he was saying that The Spirit brings "life" to the written word.. He quoted part of 3:6 to illustrate the importance of the new covenant... relationship with God through the HS.. The point here was: don't substitute Bible knowledge for a relationship with The Holy Spirit. When most of the world didn't have a Bible, how did they have a relationship w/ God? ...
@RayHurl and i do apologize to anyone that saw me put words in bills mouth. obviously i will repent of that. when i put death there i was just giving my interpretation of what i thought bill was saying. good rebuke sir. also how can you divorce bible knowledge and the relationship with the holy spirit. it is one and the same. the problem is when people like bill tell us to go off the map in our bible knowledge. that is when false doctrines and problems arise.
@machandxb In the paraphrased words of Charles Spurgeon, "You can be sound, but be sound asleep."
The point He's making is that you can know Scripture and not know God. The Bible should always lead us to a personal experience with God. I agree that the Bible goes hand in hand with the Holy Spirit. But it's "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" we worship, just be careful the Holy Bible doesn't replace the Holy Spirit.
What's the title of the full sermon?
@raxorules Cont...
to be accepted by the person we are talking to. In doing this we kill some of their Holy cows or beliefs & cut off their ears to receive the words of correction (which is also supposed to be love). I am not aiming this specifically at you bro =) please dont take it that way, as this could be for others also. Passion for defending the word is all well & good, but passion without love, just like all knowledge is nothing. We bring Jesus & he is love. We are to represent Him!
I tried to find the full version on ibethel.tv but couldnt find it. Anybody know the like to get the whole sermon or how to find it? Thanks.
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As oil and water do not mix, so does sin and the Spirit not mix. If a light comes on darkness must flee. Where light is no darkness can have habitation. If there is darkness there, we know there is no light. Sin must die, we must die in order to be made into the perfect bride/church/son/daughter of Christ. Sin will leave you desolate, powerless, empty, dry, lonely, broken, and useless to Christ. Only if the spirit invades can you walk in the liberty with which Christ has set us free.
@raxorules & @machandxb
but then if we all did these things at all times then the Christian world would be a completely different place... Ephesians 4:11-16 would have already happened. But it hasn't. these are the small opportunities that we have to bring that time closer and closer, so that we "the body of Christ" can become fitly jointed together. Notice this passage of scripture I quoted ends in the words "in love". God is love (1John 4:8,16). All this needs to happen with God in the midst.
If a Christian is in Sin they are only lying and deceiving themselves that they know the Lord. The will go to Church, seek God's face, and probably get a touch, however as soon as they sin the Spirit leaves, and you go dry again. In order for your temple, your body, your soul to be filled, remain filled, and be overflowing with God, it all must die and be giving up. Only by letting the spirit invade, giving up religion and what you think or want can you do this.
The individual who has put his trust in Jesus Christ as his Savior is in personal fellowship with Him all the time. Jeremiah 23:23 The problem with God is not that He's so far away that we can't see Him. Rather, He is so close that we overlook Him. That means, you can have an Conversation with GOD anytime anywhere . The eternal purpose of God in Jesus Christ is to give us this new relationship with God (John 3:16; 6:37, 39; 2 Corinthians 5:14-21). 1Corinthians 3:16-20 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
im a son of the king
@geiroffenberg He speaks with God. =)
@TheSunShinesbyGrace I agree with everything you've said, but I would like to add that 'the Holy Spirit does not replace the Bible either'. This is what I mean - today, too many christians rely on a 'special revelation from the Holy Spirit' but don't take time to read the Word of God which IS God's word revealed to us (John 16:5-15). The Word of God is given to us that we may know God and His will for our lives. No 'extra' revelation is required. The Bible is complete - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
@geiroffenberg HOLY SPIRIT!!!!
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Romans 5:13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. ,.....(romans 3:23 shows ALL have sinned) (romans 5:13 shows there can be no sin if there is no law) how have all sinned if the law was only given to israel? hope that clears that up. also this is my brothers account. he is an atheist so you should have seen more than 2 videos that were off lol.
@dogooda12
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
I've read everything you've posted. I wanted you to clarify your point. I got the impression that you were stating that sin is tolerable in a Christians life. That is what I thought you were saying or should I say hinting at. That is by no means tolerable. I once believed that and it is only Satan that is fooling you. Full on submission is the way of the cross. The Flesh is dead and I have been reborn in the Spirit. Please just tell me if that wasn't your argument so we can move on.
@raxorules
Believe me I know what it's like to come from a Galatia type church. Paul was forthright with them as he called them "stiffnecked!" I mean how much more out there and in their face could he get. I don't disagree with anything that you said at all, and am not just agreeing to avoid an argument. The only thing I cautioned on and I can see that you received my point was in loving the other person. Now commenting and correcting in love over youtube comments can be a VERY difficult thing.
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why is it so hard to be friends with god ? so many conditions, barriers. they say just accept jesus and i have then they these experts put all kinds of conditions and barriers up. it's so hard juss to look at god as my father. geez...
That's a lie that the devil wants you to believe so that he can make you feel disheartened and disconnected from God. All this advice is telling us is how to grow in our relationship with God. That is how we will reach spiritual maturity :)
There are no conditions with God. Requirements died on the cross with Jesus. To say we still have to do works and obey the law in order to be saved is to degrade what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Men who believe they are capable of earning salvation is foolish for there is nothing we sinners can do to outdo our wrong and earn the love of the perfect God. Salvation and the love of God is a gift. You do not pay for gifts otherwise it would not be a gift. And saying we are not required to follow the law anymore does not give license to sin, if a person uses it as an excuse to sin they likely are not in relationship with the Lord. Jesus died so that we could have relationship with Him. And when a person spends time with God (has relationship with Him) their desire for sin naturally starts to die. It is impossible to spend time with the one true King and not desire to be more like Him. I hope this was encouraging for you. If you would like me to give you some Bible verses or something to help you understand this further or if you have questions, let me know. I wrote a paper on this very thing so, I have a list of verses and quotes if you want some.
flyingwhales21 "Work out your own salvation, with fear and tembling", vs. grace through faith?
+Jabez C. Hart
It's working out your salvation (wholeness in Bible), not working FOR your salvation! U have salvation, now manifest it out in your daily life!
When did you become dead in trespasses and sins?. Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. ephesians 2:1As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,....... we were all dead in sin from birth......hope that clears that up
@geiroffenberg lol by the spirit!!!
I've never yet seen a person who promoted the Bereans who had a relationship with God that I coveted.
I suppose that's coincidence, but the people whose understanding and insight into God's Spirit and His Word I value and appreciate don't happen to mention the Bereans. The ones who always mention the Bereans are those who seem to not have an ear to the Spirit of God.
Bill Johnson has that ear. It's a shame that you don't. BTW, 2Tim2:15 doesn't say "study." Look at the Greek, and read Matt 10:8
Are you saying that you wouldn't covet the relationship that the Apostle Paul had with the Lord? He seemed pretty fond of the Bereans if you ask me. I could be wrong though... ;)
God bless you, man.
@machandxb What he's saying is scripturally sound. Also what you're saying is scripturally sound but you are looking at the conclusion with the wrong paradigm.
The word made flesh was Jesus (John 1:1,14) & the word is written in our hearts(2 Cor 3:3) & is also written by inspiration from the Spirit (2 Tim 3:16). So Jesus dwells in our hearts. God is a spirit (John 4:24) all are one in the same, he doesn't discount that at all. they live within so its a relationship. look at it all like that!
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Doesn't the Word say that if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves?
Didn't Jesus say that "out of the heart come evil thoughts..."? So, if evil comes out of the heart of a Christian and the Holy Ghost is also in his heart...
Can you see your Bible doctrine doesn't have an answer for everything? Haven't you heard somewhere from someone you thought was wise to "season your words with salt," "judge not lest you be judged," "judge nothing before the time... ," "speak evil of no man"?
@geiroffenberg 'the book' is the Word Of God given to us by the power of the Holy Spirit. How can he put preference on one when they ARE one and the same!!
We have the prophetic Word made more sure... - 2 Peter 1:19
Jesus IS the Word - John 1:1, 14
In fact it is The Word that brings hope, joy, assurance etc.. and the 'helper' , the Holy Spirit is the one that guides us to that truth.
What Bill Johnson is saying may sound great, but it's not theologically sound.
@raxorules - Many are seeking Jesus through Todd Bently's ministry. So was it Todd who did that or the Holy Spirit? Todd fell because he had weaknesses and Satan found them but his annointing was real. Stop looking at the man. All men are falliable. Believe me Todd is being humbled! He lost everything but I believe he will be all the better for it. I doubt he will ever be restored and I doubt he wants it. I am not going to be Todd's judge because I don't want to be judged.
@RayHurl When most of the world didn't have a Bible, how did they have a relationship w/ God? ... by gods grace they had his truths planted in their hearts. most of false doctrines come from places where people have the bible. why is that ? because we choose not to show ourselves approved by our study of the word. and noone wants to be like the bereans. because of this fast paced country. noone has time for god. we add god to our routines and not our routines around our time with god.