Most Durable Tire EVER?!? 100k Mile Michelin Crossclimate2 Tread Test
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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2024
- After almost 3 years and 85,000 miles driving the Michelin Cross lclimate to tires, I decided to pull it over and put the tires to the test. Today, we pull out the tire gauge and measure a brand new Michelin crossclimate 2 as well as the 3-year old one that has been chugging along.
Tread Depth on a tire is the depth from the top of the tread to the bottom of the tread. Legally, 2/32 of an inch is in violation of the law, whereas 3/32 of an inch is considered worn out and needing replacement. the Michelin crossclimate2 tires come at 10/32 of an inch from the factory.
Also unique, these tires have a full depth tread pattern; this allows Michelin to outclass other competitors like Firestone, bridgestone, or other competitors in durability, longevity, and performance of the tires.
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I bought the store for our family minivan I think you’re channel was the first reviews I watched of the tire and it helped me make the decision to put them on our vehicle, so thanks a lot for doing these videos they are a fantastic tire that I trust to help keep my family safe on the road!!
Man you have no clue how much that means to me. That's exactly why I started doing that. And I can't tell you how much I appreciate you commenting and liking my video. You absolutely rock.
I don't expect you to check back in with some random tire guy on youtube, but if you ever think about them let me know how they're going. I've had a couple people check in with me after a couple months and they seem to love them
Only problem seems to be the loss of mileage. But for me it's negligible, and I think it's well worth it
Jake my man honest to the core . That’s what hooked me originally…we’ve exchanged a couple of conversations still tuning in…be well
Hahahah my brother!!!!! U are the best my man... Still haven't found an affiliate link. Although I probably haven't! Wish we could grab a coffee, but saying hello is good enough! Love hearing from you bro
I have had these tires on my Scion Tc for three years and they are the best performing tires I’ve had in the sense of durability and all weather handling. They’re a bit loud but worth the trade off. I’ll be buying them for my Lexus when it needs tires. 🎉
Yeah I was going to ask if you would buy them again. It's good to know. I don't think mine are ever going to wear out
One thing I should add. I think Jake mentioned in his first video that his locale is Louisiana/Mississippi/Texas. In these areas the roads are fairly straight and flat. Perfect terrain for tyre longevity. On the other hand, somebody like me who lives in the PNW, where we have a lot of curvy roads, steep hills that are often covered with snow/ice and standing rain. These conditions dramatically increase tread wear on all tyres, no matter the make or brand or driving style. For reference, my 2012 Hybrid Camry with 25,000 miles has almost as much tyre wear as Jake's SUV. That being said, I still give the CrossClimate2 a thumbs up. Finally my tyres have become noticeably louder when driving on grooved concrete Interstates and heavily worn asphalt bi-ways. While not obnoxious, it has increase quite a bit since they were new.
@gavinparmar1316 Brother, first off... Man, I owe you some gratitude... You have been there since the beginning. I can't even tell you what that means to me my man. I haven't made it much further (1400 followers), but man it has been a 2 year grind to get a little bit of a prescence. Man, you are amazing, and thanks for watching/commenting and hanging with me bro.
To be honest, he is right. I am from Alabama, but a lot of the driving that I do are big, long strait ways down I10.. I can drive 85MPH on Cruise and go for hours and hours.
ALSO: I DRIVE LIKE AN OLD MAN. or, a guy who just has his first new car. So that is a big deal as well.
Lastly, and contrary, the roads here are aweful...
I can concur. The roads on the Gulf Coast are the second worst that I've experienced. Especially Louisiana. They are not flat. They constantly are sinking in various places, causing an up and down roller-coaster effect. I currently live in Colorado, and the potholes are atrocious due to the freezing and thawing. I'd say that Colorado is worse. However, the Gulf Coast roads aren't far behind.
@@ericbeech2652 There are no roads in the US like Louisiana and Mississippi . those will borderline beat your brains out. Especially Louisiana interstates . I’ll never understand how a state AND federally funded road is so bad.
Hey there Jake. I saw you just put this video out so I thought I'd chime in. I went out and checked the mileage and tread depth on the CC2's on my 18' Toyota Camry Hybrid LE, and I now have 72,000 miles and the tread depth on all 4 tires is on the healthy side of 6/32nds. I rotate my tires front to back every 5k every time I get my oil changed. I've only had 1 wheel alignment since the car was new and that was only because last July someone ran into my left front wheel while I was parked on the street with the wheels turned toward the curb because I was on a hill. I immediately knew the alignment was out because the steering wheel was no longer perfectly straight. I had it aligned the next day. The tire was fine and I've never even had a flat with any of these tires. All 4 are original.
The tires are still very quiet and ride nice. I got into a little snow this last winter and they still handled it very well like they always have. And they still cut like knives through heavy rain water. I'm averaging 18,000 miles per 1/32nd of wear. At that rate I will have over 108,000 miles on the tires when I reach 4/32nds. If I'm just entering winter I will take them off then. But if I'm just starting spring/summer, I will run them to the start of winter. These are by far the best tires I've ever owned on any vehicle and I've been driving for 51 years. In comparison, the original Firestones that came on the car were replaced at 45,000 miles with 4/32nds tread left because I was just starting into winter. And they were never good with hydroplaning even when new. I live in Oregon and we get a lot of heavy rain so I won't go into winter with any less than 4/32nds. But if any tire could handle water at that tread depth, these would probably be one of the best at it. I may just play it by ear and see how they feel before giving them the axe based on past experience. Because these are exceptional tires.
A man that is fantastic to hear, and I appreciate you commenting and keeping up with the videos. So for me, I had an alignment after 50,000 mi. And then without going into too much detail, I hit a curb at about 50% thank God I was okay, but the car had to spend a little while in the shop. It got it second alignment on that go around.
It's actually funny, because the original reason I got these tires was because my father, grandfather, and Uncle all had michelin's and they were driving around at 80,000 me and they looked brand new.
I'm happy to say this looks like it's going to be the experience that I'm having. Because after 85,000 mi, my tires have only gone down 4/32 of an inch, from factory 10/32 to 5-7/32of an inch.
Looking great. Handling great
@@jakeofreshly Hey Jake, thanks for the nice reply. I just wanted to keep you updated on what's going on with my tires. At my last rotation I was told that my tires are wearing on the insides now. I don't know if it's because of the alignment I got done because of the left front wheel impact or not, but I'm going to have them dismounted and remounted on the opposite sides in hopes that will even out the wear before they need to be replaced. I still have between 5-6/10ths across all tires, with about 4/10ths on the insides. I could get a wheel alignment but that's not going to stop an already existing wear pattern, and I'd just have to do it again when I get new tires. So for $79.00 at Costco for the dismount/remount I think I'll still be money ahead. I can't tell anything is wrong driving the car. The wheel is perfectly straight and it handles fine. So I would have never known if I wasn't told. As much as I love these tires, I'm really leaning heavily toward replacing them with the Bridgestone WeatherPeaks. One reason is because they are not directional so I wouldn't have to dismount them to change sides. Also, they are 3PMSF rated and warranted for 70k where the CC2's are 60k. So someone needs to see how this pans out in reality. I'm thinking I'd like to test them and see how they compare. 😉
@@escheidl Man, thanks for freaking letting me know how things have been going! I feel bad that you aren’t loving them the same way that I am, but it is still good to know you are giving them hell. I am no magician, but the first things that I am thinking:
1. What car model and year is it?
2. What are you pumping the tires up to?
3. If you let the wheel go, does it still drive straight.
@@jakeofreshly Oh it's not that I don't love them. I do. They're the best tire I've ever had so far, ever. But they did give my hybrid a big hit in fuel mileage. Initially it was an 8 mpg loss. from 48 mpg to 40. And it stayed that way for a long time, slowly, very slowly coming back up over the years until now where I'm finally seeing it back up to 45 ish. Still not 48, but much better. I figure it's cost me around $600 in overall fuel loss over the years. But,.. these tires currently have 77k on them. The original Firestones only lasted 45k. And these CC2's aren't wore out yet. Depending on how things go after the wheel remount where the outsides will then be inside, I expect to still see well over 90k out of them, easily doubling the life of the Firestones. And the $600 in extra fuel cost is offset by not having to buy a second set of Firestones to equal the 90k miles the Michelins have covered by themselves. Plus, the CC2's have far outperformed the Firestones at every level. No Jake, these are truly wonderful tires, fuel mileage loss aside. But the WeatherPeaks just intrigue me because their tread pattern is more conventional, yet they still achieve the 3PMSF rating with a 70k mileage rating (10k more than the CC2's) and also get great reviews. I'm thinking that the more conventional tread design might not hurt my hybrids fuel economy so bad. And if they are "close" to the CC2's in performance, I would be willing to sacrifice a little less performance to reclaim my old fuel economy figures. As long as it's not a big difference, At any rate, I know they will be far better than the Firestones the car originally came with. And who knows, I might end up coming right back to the CC2's because they do hold the bar so high. And I find it very interesting that with all the multi tire tests out there, there are no tests that pit these two tires against each other in the same arena. And to me, they are the most likely competitors that should be compared against each other. But no one will put them against each other. Kinda makes me wonder why. It's almost like somebody doesn't want these two tires to battle against each other to find out which one is King. So I guess I'll just have to find out for myself which one I like better. Bridgestone does have a 90 day return policy. I'll be buying them at Costco when I do buy them, so I'll ask them if they'll honor that 90 day test drive if I don't like them. They said they would have with the CC2's. And I almost brought the CC2's back when I saw my mileage drop from 48 to 40. But I liked the tires so much that I had great hopes it would get better soon. It did, but it took a very very long time.
Anyway, to answer your 3 questions:
1. It's a 2018 Toyota Camry Hybrid LE.
2. I run them at 36psi just like the door sticker says to.
3. If I let the wheel go it tracks true.
So I don't know what the problem is. Why they are wearing on the insides. The alignment I had done 22k ago was done with a Hunter Hawk Eye Elite Alignment machine. Everything feels and acts great. When I get the new tires I will have the car aligned again on the same model machine, just a different shop this time. And I fully expect them to tell me everything was fine, but I could be wrong. Maybe it's just that when your tires last so long, they just eventually form to the crown of the road? 🤷♂ I don't know. I've never had tires last this long before.
@@escheidl OK well it’s good to hear you at least like the tires. I was a little worried there. I steered you in the wrong correction for some reason. It has been very common for people with electric vehicles and hybrids; it’s basically all up and down the comment section. I think that has to do with the weight or something, but that’s very unscientific. I’ve been trying to figure that one out for
Crazy how many miles you have gotten on them though. I just did a review with 85,000 miles, as you know, and I’ve got over half the tread left. Which is strange.
Honestly, I’m just a regular guy giving a regular opinion. So I’m probably one of the only people who talks about this tire versus another tire. But tires are so specific to environments, I don’t think they really have a lot of overlap. Like this tires specifically is trying to be the best all season tire , so I don’t think they really care about efficiency or handling or grip or offloading. They’re just trying to win one single competition. So I think that’s why we don’t see a lot of that.
Sorry For the long messages. With those three items, I wish I could say there was something glaring. But it sounds like another weird thing that happens on a hybrid or an EV.
Like you said, might be a good choice not to get them next time and see what’s up. I don’t know physically how it could affect an EV, but I would be pissed. I lost 8 miles per gallon. I mean absolutely furious. !!!!!
Thanks for the update review. Drive my set of CC2 H-Speed rated for 60K Miles with 6.5/32nd tread depth after 3 years, sold it for the 50% of the price I bought it for and got another set of CC2 V-Speed rated (harder sidewall/less flex/better cornering) from Costco for rebate, free installation, lifetime rotation, repair and Michelin 3 year roadside assistance.... good to go for another 3+ years😎
First off, thanks for the comment.
And that's actually funny LOL you're kind of rickrolling these things. So you just going to sell it after 80,000 Mi for half the price? Where you selling it at?
@@jakeofreshly The way I look at it is being environmental friendly and getting safety to myself and others at the same time. Not everyone will be able to afford or need a brand new set of premium tire + tax so at half of the price with 6.5/32nd tread depth (and tested by Michelin down to 2/32nd tread depth) it's helping out those who would like to have premium product at affordable price while I will get new treads every ~3 years. I look at as a win win saturation for both. I live in a higher altitude rural location with more severe rain & snow weather conditions while doing gentle 60+ miles/day so deeper tread is safer year round. The buyer was from a low altitude major city location driving short distances daily where the roads are quickly salted and plowed while wanting to avoid paying extra set of tires plus $100/ya for swapping out the tires twice a year. The current winter tires were wearing out so that was the choice my buyer choose to do going forth. You can sell them anywhere you like: local listing, Facebook, Kijiji, Craig's list.... It's a great set of second hand true all year round road safety tires.
ps. The by law minimal tread depth is 2/32nd where I am located so the 2nd owner will have 4.5/32 useable tread depth after I used 3.5/32 off the original 10/32nd tread depth.
Agreed. Honestly, my friend works at a supercenter and they won't touch your tires, even if you have a flat, if it measures 3/32. So that is their cutoff. You won't go to jail, but you are essentially running slicks. So in that case, time to pony up.
I'm going to run them until they feel unsafe.
it is going to feel weird when I run them over 100k miles. Honestly, I didn't believe it would happen. But from the looks of it, we have plenty of room left until 2/32.
What difference did you notice between H and V rated CC2 in terms of comfort, ride quality and gas mileage?
@@arydream H provided more quietness & comfort especially during winter cold season with better grip driving straight in snow with better MPG. V provided more stiffer, precise acceleration, cornering & stability with shorter stopping distance in all weather conditions but ~ 1-2 MPG less on average on a HEV at the same driving period (MPG always increase as more tire materials wares out).
My other vehicle is a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid equipped with OEM Michelin Primacy A/S Tyres. My tires were worn to around 6/32 when the OEM Tyres had to be replaced due to a road hazard incident. The Primacy A/S is an Energy Tyre designed to have low rolling resistance and be of light weight construction. I replaced all four tyres with the Michelin CrossClimate2 that Jake has shown in his video. So far, I have a 200 miles on my new tyres. My fuel economy dropped from 39.5 to 37.5/38 MPG as indicated by the vehicle's fuel economy computer. This is while doing a 50% mixture of city and 60 MPH Highway driving. I inflated my tyres to 39 PSI, slightly above the OEM 34 PSI Pressure in order to reduce rolling resistance and firm up the ride. Noise is a little worse than the Primacy A/S when they were new, but much better than the Primacy A/S were worn to 6/32. Finally, the wet traction is dramatically better than even when the primacy A/S had full tread depth. Noise on the CrossCimate2 is highest/loudest on cross grooved concrete roadways at speeds about 60 MPH. While the noise is elevated, it is not loud by any means; its is more of a low pitch hum that blends into the background. Some reviewers describe it as tread growl.
Dude you're an absolute beast Gavin. I appreciate you throwing down in the comment section, and I appreciate you watching my video brother.
I'm happy you seem to find the stuff that I said rather true. I was arguing with somebody earlier about the mileage drop. He was an engineer and was saying it had to do with aerodynamics and stuff. I told him no, you will experience a 2 mi per gallon drop on the vehicle. I don't know if it's because they're heavier, which they are. I don't know if it's because of the trip. And I don't know if it's because of the rolling resistance. But regardless, you will lose that little chip of efficiency
That being said, the benefits you're going to see and control and safety make it all worth it.
Not to pitch my own stuff, but I just did a review at 85,000 me where I took a tire tread depth gauge and measured them. So you can see I have over half the wear left even after 85,000 miles
@@jakeofreshly In my case, the CC2 is about two pounds heavier than the Primacy A/S. It also has much stiffer sidewalls, which leads to more tyre contact on the road, especially when traversing freeway onramps, hence reduced fuel economy. But. like you, I can take the slightly higher fuel usage in exchange for the much greater safety during wet/snow/ice driving. Also, for somebody like me living in the PNW, I found the CC2 Winter Traction just as good as my Yokohama Iceguard Tyres. This alone saves me either a $200 Yearly Tyre swap or the additional $600 in wheels and TPMS Sensors needed for separately mounted rims.
@@gavinparmar1316 totally agree. I mean to me, I think it's unique in the fact that it's a full tread depth. Because tired can have as much micro tread and micro pattern as they want, but it will totally wear off in 5,000 mi. So the fact that my tires are still rocking almost $100,000 me with no discernible boss is pretty amazing p
Thank you for the real and honest video! How often do you have them rotated?
Hey man, thank you for watching it. Thank you for liking it. And thank you for commenting. You have no clue how much that means to me. It means the whole world
I actually get them rotated every 10,000 mi, or every two oil changes
@@jakeofreshly awesome…! Keep up the great videos. Looking forward to your next review on them! I just ordered a set for my sons’s Civic after watching your review today.
@@RJ42997 yeah man I'm trying to figure out which to do about it honestly. I just did one where I measured the tire tread depth at 85000 me. I'm about to push him over 90 pretty soon here. Not sure what I can do except talk about some specific questions that I've got in the comments
Any specific questions I could drop a quick video on? Seems like a lot of people ask them about off-road,
@@jakeofreshly Good stuff! I imagine that they would do pretty good off road with such an aggressive tread. For me, I have heard different opinions of either rotate or not to rotate. I even watched a video of Scotty Kilmer saying in today’s modern cars and tires that rotating is not necessary.
Maybe do an experiment and skip a rotation and then measure the tread on front and back to see if one is wearing faster during that time?
@@RJ42997 dude, I've never heard that but I'm so happy you told me that. I'm going to go watch that video right now. Honestly, with everything I say and everything I learned. It makes perfect sense. I mean I'm still going to rotate them, but there's so many things that I was doing in the 90s and 2000s with my dad that is 100% antiquated bs.
Back then, all the roads were dirt and your car needed a engine change at 80,000 mi. So I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't have to rotate tires anymore.
Hey Jake, glad to see you come out with another update on these CC2s. I believe I've watched every single one of them now, & love your presentation! You've mentioned in past videos how sure footed these tires are, how well they handle water, snow, dry conditions braking & acceleration qualities. One thing I don't recall is how often you've been rotating the tires. You probably have mentioned it, I just don't recall & don't intend on going back through your last 4 or 5 videos to find out. Can you tell us the size of your tires, how often you rotate your tires, how much air pressure you keep in them, how many times your vehicle has had a front end alignment since installing the Michelins, is your vehicle FWD or AWD, and what the vehicle is? If memory serves me correctly, it seems like you mentioned once that it's a Mazda CX5, but I'm getting old & don't remember thing as well as I used to. Some of these facts are just as crucial to your readers, as knowing that you drive like an old man. (Maybe even more so, since this old man drives like he did 50 years ago...) Thanks again & keep up the great videos!
Hey man, this means more to me than you could possibly imagine. Believe it or not, I did a video on rotating because I was confused with directional tires a couple years ago. But it's been pretty standard and I rotate them every 10,000 miles. I do an oil change every 5,000 miles so every two oil changes I get them to rotate the tires front to back. The air pressure on the side of the tires is like 50 lbs, but if you look on the inside door panel for the weight of the vehicle and the weight distribution is 32 - 34 lb for each tire. So I follow what's on the inside of the vehicle. I used to pump them up higher, but I found no benefit in it
I have only aligned it twice, as I would say that was just pretty opportunistic. Usually I wait until I see an unusual wear pattern on the tire, and then I will go to get a alignment. But I've only done it twice on this vehicle. Once a 50,000 and once at 100,000.
Also it is a front-wheel drive 2.5 l four-cylinder. It's a 2019 that I bought brand new off the lot with no miles. The rims are 19 inch rims, which is why the tires were hard to find inexpensive. They are 225 / 55/r19.
If there's any other questions you have, please let me know. I probably should have put the vehicle specifications in here. I forget that everybody hasn't watched my videos
Jake O’ Freshly aka Jake Marchan(?) ….just watche your new video the cross climates and the off road video….man your a serious driver. I got the cc’s inSeptember and have 2,000 miles ( comments were turned off on your latest video. Keep up the good work.
Brother close enough! LOL I'm actually looking to move to a different company, and the other day when I was interviewing I had somebody bring up my CZcams page which was a little bit strange because I have videos about tires and I have videos about Joe Rogan complaining about trump. Not the most marketable LOL
But yeah man. Pretty serious driver. I don't do it for business though. It really started when I moved three or four hundred miles away from my parents, and I would go down and see them every month. So that would be pretty much 15,000 miles visiting my parents one month of weekend.
Brother I'm seriously in debt to you. I had no clue that the comments were off, and I thought I did a shity job on that video because I wasn't getting many views and no comments.
I don't know if I get a lot of use anyway. But my fan base is really loyal because they're awesome. So if I get 100 views, I'll typically have 10 or 20 comments LOL
Brother you just saved my life. I really appreciate you bringing that up. You are the best. Real lifesaver
@@jakeofreshly Best of Luck Jake!
@@jakeofreshly Your a good man Jake : it comes through, my pleasure.Stay well my man….
@@thett6197 Man, just got the comment through… You are a lifesaver. Thanks man!!! LMK if you have any questions or there is anyway I can help!!!!
BTW: from the tangent earlier; I changed the name on the CZcams bc that hiring director watched those videos. Lol
Hi Jake I am from UK can you bo the
depth in mm please cool videos I have watched them all
Dude appreciate it! So they come brand new from the factory at 7.6mm. that's out of the factory
Right now, after 85,000 miles, they are at 4.7mm tread Depth.
The legal would be around 1.5mm and 2mm would be when the tire shops won't work on your tire and "recommend" that they are worn out.
You may want to watch reviews on this tire(tyre) from reviewers from Europe as the EU model of the CrossClimate 2 (and most of the tyres) have lower tread depth with a bit different formulated compound due to the need of meeting the EU lower fuel millage standard vs the deeper North American tires. Due to the longer commute distance in North America the tires have deeper tread depth and higher rolling resistance.
@@Jeo-What yeah 100%. They're just built different. But it makes a lot of sense when you see how much they pay for fuel over there. And then when you realize the country is not even that big, so cross-country is just a couple of hours
How long do I have to listen before you mention the make and model of the vehicle you put these on???? Gahhhhhh... oh my god. lol
Man typically I try to lay out the reason for the video first bc ppl have such short attention spans. In the first 10 seconds. I have to lay out the reason. Then the next 20 are of why it matters. And then within a minute I have to have essential info out (or ppl start drooling).
That sounds easy, but easier said than done
But mine are so noise. Yours?
No. I actually did a video where I used to decibel reader and put it in the car so you could see exactly what it was like
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Appreciate it my brother. I'm just kind of learning things as I go. Not doing that great, but entirely different than when I started this journey.
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