I quite liked this slightly more free-form format of video from you, especially with the short story style sections you read out. Looking forwards to more :)
My issue with the Old Ones making the Tyranids: they fought the War in Heaven against the Necrons (and Ctan), so why would they create a new race that is countered so directly by the non-biological, soulless Necrons?
Maybe old ones that managed to escape the war in heaven foresaw the rise of man and create the Nids to wipe the slate clean once the Imperium reaches its peak
The nids can still win vs necrons using weight of numbers and adaption. Maybe the old ones determined that none of the existing races were up to snuff but that a biological weapon like the Tyranids was the only way to wipe out the necrons. If the tyranids were an engineered weapon it could be thought of like a pikmen ball of all the bio matter in the galaxy being thrown at the necrons.
Because the necrons want to find a new biological Host. Wiping out the galaxy with the nids as a self replication bioweapon using the xenocided biomass is the most efficient way to deprive the necrons of their goal. That s why the silent king came back, he sees the threat it poses to his plans.
Not only that but the Tyranids are considerably less advanced than either the Prime Aeldari let alone the Prime Necron's. Hell, the DAoT human civilization probably would have wrecked the Tyranids as they are now. So if the Old One's did build them, there's no way they would have done it around the War in Heaven because the Tyranids would get wiped super easily, in fact up until the Fall of the Aeldari the Tyranids honestly couldn't touch them. I don't know, I feel like the other Old One creations are superior technologically, though I guess we haven't seen if the Tyranids have answers to supertechnologies yet.
@@JohnDobakNids can beat Necrons but they dont gain anything fighting them and only stand to lose precious biomass due to Gauss Weapons. There is no reason Nids would willingly fight Necrons unless they would gain something greater then potentially losing (permanently) half their hivefleet
I like the idea that the biomass collected from each fleet is to feed some sort of Hive King or some sort of Ultra organism being bred on Tiamat that can control all the different fleets at once and give them some sort of ascendancy into something they were before. It sounds like they were floating through space after starving or losing some cohesive part of themselves, so now they can use the biomass to rebuild into what they ACTUALLY are...which would be game over but a fun ticking time bomb.
Kinda defeats the purpose of the nids being an unstoppable, decentralized swarm. Investing all that biomass into one target that can disrupt multiple hive fleets sounds like modern Disney level writing. If the current Nids were attracted by a beacon, wouldn't the scariest thing the Nids can build be a more powerful beacon?
@@similaritiesendhere I mean it depends on exactly what the Swarms are, they might simply be the workers or drones that feed the Hive Mind, we currently know the Hive Mind has no physical form, so perhaps they are feeding their King\Queen as it forms a new physical embodiment. At the end of the day the Hivemind is creating counters to the Primarchs and other units, so creating an answer to something like the Emperor and other superweapons makes quite a bit of sense. I mean we haven't seen any counter for supertech from the Tyranids yet, they need something en par with the apocalyptic doomsday weapons of the other factions even if they are a swarm faction.
@@TheCorrodedMan The hive mind already has antennas. They're called tyrannid forms. Every tyranid form sends info to the hive mind if the distance isn't too great. Beacons like the Astronomicon and Pharo's device attracted to tyranids to our galaxy. A tyranid beacon might broadcast a stronger signal.
@@similaritiesendhere Yes, but one that could connect every hive fleet to the rest instantly? That would be useful. Synapse creatures are a weak solution to a problem the Nids seem to be working out; you can destroy an army by “cutting the head off the snake” as it were, killing the synapse and leaving the rest feral. But what if the connection was continuous? A perfect psychic link between every single tyranid bioforms currently within our galaxy, allowing the Hive Mind to coordinate its fleet with unprecedented unity.
I really hope the Tyranids weren't constructed by The Old Ones, Simply because to many other franchises have done the cliche of old ancient race creates an ever evolving bio organism (Halo, Starcraft, Aliens). Plus I was under the impression that The Old Ones only existed in out galaxy and that the tyrainds came from outside our galaxy. If The Old Ones were able to leave our galaxy it implies they are still around or that the Necrons inhabit other galaxies as well.
Old ones fled through the webway, necrins cant follow through it. I like the idea of the old ones making the tyrannids. Either because of the frankenstein mythos if they got killed by their créations or because it implies there is another endgame boss after the tyranids are defeated. The old ones coming back behind the tyrannids would be a conundrum for aeldars, a war for necrons and whi knows what they can do with orks
Yea, I feel when everything goes to one old source maybe the writers need come up with some other ultraold ones. Not nessesarily migthy, just something else.
The Tyranids are fascinating, there fast becoming one of my favourite races in 40k. With regards to the stream i think these deep lore discussions are excellent, there doing an excellent job getting me through some pretty laborious shifts at work haa. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work.
I appreciate the realness of video like this.. there's no dramatic background music, no overly descriptive commentary shoving buzz words down your throat, but just talking and sharing something he enjoys worth the audience
We haven't not found any evidence of extra-terrestrial life yet in the Milkyway Galaxy. They call this Fermi's Paradox. According to some solutions to Fermi's Paradox there might not be any. We could well be it. At least for the local galactic cluster. Some people are disappointed by this but after reading Warhammer 40k lore. Its more of a massive relief.
Tyranids are the top because Space Hulk is one of the best W40K board games. They need a villain like the half human half zerg character back in Star Craft.
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I've always wanted to get into this and D&D. But there are so many books in Barnes and Noble I wouldn't know where to start🤷. Is there like an Omnibus you could recommend that is like early days/start of Warhammer 40k??? Or is it kind of like novels by certain factions??!
I LOVED this video. I have ordered the first Novel of the Horus Heresy to start me off on all the novels. Thanks to you and Leutin. Liked, subbed and commented to tickle the algorithm. Looking forward to more of these and pointed a few friends to your channel. I hope you get the recognition you deserve for such quality videos!
My theory on Tyranids is they come from another galaxy with another Eye. The Tyranids smelled another meal ticket. Like a faucet, their original eye had been maximally colonized. Anything that pours forth is consumed, with no more room in that food chain. So they went searching for another infinite meal ticket.
Kinda reminds me of the pulse of light that the traveler pushes out at the end of the D2 campaign. It goes through the whole galaxy, out of the galaxy. And it hits the black fleet that were hanging out, dormant outside the galaxy. The light of the traveler wakes it up, and the fleet makes its way toward earth from there. Also.... what if the tyranids are the old ones? Maybe some old ones escaped the galaxy and turned into the tyranids, and then just evolved further on from there.
I think if the Old Ones created the Tyranids, they are either the amalgamation of all their genetic engineering and that the Krork, Eldar, and other races were test runs, OR like the Thunder Warriors and Astartes, they were to be a more controllable and refined warrior species that were to wipe out the Krork and Eldar after the war was over. I feel like they are a direct counter for them and it seems like a powerful enough psychre could control them, they would just have to be God-like in that power.
Tyranids is the only faction with a single-minded purpose and method. It will not resort to political machinations, diplomatic truces or alliances. And will take on all comers from all factions simultaneously.
I remember some tyranid survivor or species (kraken on russ planet, catachan etc). But the eldari destroyed them the first time they came to this galaxy.
if you look at the starcraft game the way the protoss( necrons) deal with the zerg( tyranids) is that exterminitus entire planets so there is no biomass. dead zone so they starve. This means that the Tyranids needed to eat something to make it to our galaxy. Something that was in the outer galaxy rim. I think that's what the silent king was investigating.
@hermesshkurti396 it's an excerpt from a book. Although now that I have reread it it could be anything from "there are Orks across the edges of the Galaxy" to "some Orks caught it and now use it as upholstery" Google "orks beyond the milky way galaxy 40k"
First off great video especially since it was on my favorite buggy boys. As for the old ones theory i dont feel it makes sense as the old ones liked to create new races whereas the tyranids simply wipe out life on a galactic level down to the microbes so it goes against everything they were about. Also the amount of time it takes for the tyanid force to actually comsume a galaxy whole sale is likely a very long endevour and for them to have the supposed mass thet have where they can for all intensive purpose encompass a galaxy that amount of biomass is simply insane like your talking about possibly thousands of galaxies being consumed and then they were asleep. I beleive that when they are in their intergalactic form they are basically one large being with individual ships being cells and forming those large eyes we heard about from the ferros quote. As for the nids we've seen before it is likely that the super organism shoots off ships like we shed cells in different directions and we sadly got found out by these vanguard ships.
this format sounds great, specially with the comments on stream to clarify or discuss topics, maybe even bringing different experts on certain factions if the theme requires it (just an idea), overall great to see u experiment around video formats
Personally not a fan of the idea of the Tyranids being a creation of the Old Ones. I prefer Tyranids to be truly alien in that they originate from another galaxy entirely. My hypothesis is that Tyranids were created by the Zoats in the Andromeda galaxy, or another nearby galaxy. Reasoning is that Zoats arrived in our galaxy before Behemoth consumed Tyran looking for safe harbor as they were on the run from an unknown threat. Zoats don't breathe an earth like atmosphere, yet Orks, Eldar, Jokero, humans etc all do. The Zoats have six limbs just like Tyranids do and even use Tyranid weapon symbiotes, though the process of binding is agonizing for them. I think the Zoats that arrived in the Milky Way are the shattered remnants of the dominant species in the last galaxy the Tyranids consumed. They came here hoping to escape and to claim refuge and unfortunately met the intolerant Imperium of Man. Maybe if humans were more tolerant we could have received an early warning and been ready for the Tyranids' arrival.
It'd be kinda cool to see an alliance form between the Eldar, Orks, and Terra to fight the Tyranids. We kinda already saw that with the massive battle between the Orks that the Imperium manipulated into being, and the tyranids will absolutely warrants some kind of temporary ceasefire between these factions in order to repel them. I also wonder if chaos would get involved, since the chaos gods need humans and eldar around to manipulate.
I heard the Old Ones theory a while ago, and I do like it; it's similar to the Preservers and the Flood in Halo. But, I did have the thought that , based on the hunger; they are the great devourer, what if they actually have something to do with the C'tan. The only full C'tan that still exists is Tsara'noga the Outsider, who got tricked by Ceogorach and ate a bunch of other C'tan, then just happened to go insane and leave the galaxy. Whilst looking up the name on the Wiki, I found a whole part asking that very question that I dont remember being there. But I really like the idea, of the last C'tan, coming back to finish the War In Heaven. Although another C'tan it could be, purely based on their name is Iash'uddra the Endless Swarm; because.... reasons. Reason. Because there is nothing else known about them other than the name.
there isnt a confirmation on anything regarding the nids prior to them showing up in the milky way. we know nothing, but i can deffo tell you, the Old ones did not make them. @@viktorgabriel2554
Just a thought, but if the Pharos device kills psykers if they get to close, why not send in the Sisters of Silence. They.re psychik nulls, it might just implode if they,re looking at it. Great video.
Somewhere else, the Pharos did, the thing on tiamet is either a bio-beacon or a bio-pylon. Perhaps both. What the Commissar didn’t know was the reinforcements meant to reach him were re-routed to fight the 3rd War for Armageddon. Every army book is a puff piece; every major hive fleet to date has been billed as the doom of the galaxy. Each time the Tyranids lose and the next big bad takes centre stage.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree that the Tyranids being an existential threat that will unstoppably locust-swarm their way through the entire galaxy, is probably oversold. They're a major threat on a scale that all the various factions have to deal with, certainly, but I'm not convinced that being eaten by bugs is the inevitable destiny of the galaxy the way the 'Nid codexes make it seem.
Question ... Given how time works in the warp its possible to send a ship with a warning and have it arrive at its destination before its ever even sent from the other.. So couldt you theoretically "shotgun" a bunch of ships into the void with the same mesaage hoping one time travels to deliver rhe message before its technically needed? Imagine tyranjds show up and theres already a response fleet because the warning about them time traveld a decade in the past
There was a little fluff snippet in Codex Imperialis from the 2nd edition starter set, of a Magos Biologis hypothesising that viruses are actually the first tyranid microorganisms to reach the Galaxy aeons ago
A long while ago, in the first (or 2nd) codex of the necrons. In the back of the book, It mentions a sphere travelling in front of the tyranid fleet, with a notion that it not certain if it was leading or running from the tyranids… might be hinting at the time to the c’tan “the out sider”. But since them I have been out of the loop with the setting lord, and now wondering what became of it. I look around online, but not yet found anything on it. Atm, it might be a lost story plot that never was followed up..? Just wondering if anyone here might know something about it.
Not the biggest fan, I don’t exactly do tabletop but I have friends who do. I just appreciate your interpretation of this worlds lord and the like. Good work.
The Khornate daemons that showed up at the Devestation of Baal were lead by the Bloodthirster Ka'Bandha Bane of Angels. The birth of the Cicatrix Maladictum is what allowed Ka'Banda to come to Baal Primaris. But why did he come? That is summed up in 3 words: "They are MINE!"
In my head canon, and I know it has many flaws, the Hive mind can only be the result of a C'tan from another galaxy that was interfaced with biological machinery, instead of mechanical. First: whenever the tyranids come from, they had C'tan, they are universal. Both C'tan and the Hive mind are beings of "endless hunger". Both don't fuck around with the warp (I know there are psyker bugs, but they could be more like proxies, plus they don't use it to travel or anything). And that's it. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
9:18 There is a random chapter in the Leviathan book that confused me. It seems to be a servitor being effected by the hive mind/Harbinger. Am I alone in this confusion?
I'm pretty much on board with Baldermort on the idea that the Eldar were the anti-C'tan race while the Krork were a lot more effective at fighting Necrons Does the lore explicitly say otherwise? Or has everyone just assumed that it was the other way around?
Does each Tyranid fleet have its own hive mind, or is there a big over-arching Mind? In the Infinite and the Divine, Trazyn chooses a Tyranid to fight the Deceiver shard, but it's somehow cut off from its hive mind, and I'm not particularly familiar with Tyranid lore.
I would love to see like some Star Trek or Farscape, some space sci-fi where they come to the 40k galaxy and are like na this place sucks and leave through a warm whole or something. 40k is the grim darkest fantasy creation ever. It’s good when there is a sliver of hope.
What if the Tyranids are actually a dream the Emporer his having and the Golden Throne is manifesting them into real space. The only thing that will stop them is dearh of the Emporer will end the threat since he cant be awakened.
What if those spider things Horus fought during the crusades on that planet with the fog and storms were what kept the Tyranids at bay ? But in the eons they were no threat that race called the interects or whatever they're called wiped them all out except a small population that they kept imprisoned on that planet in case Tyranids ever came back ? Then the Imperium wiped them out and that's why the interest appeared saying wtf? Which lead to the negotiations that fell apart because someone stole their alien chaos sword?
The Tyranids could potentially serve as the universe's ultimate reset button. As they devour every bioform, they not only consume physical life but also weaken the Warp gods and their followers. Once their conquest is complete, and every life form has been absorbed, the Tyranids themselves may lose all purpose and ultimately disappear.
The Hive-Mind is just an Old-One who realized that after the bio-universe is wiped out only the Necons will be left to eat…..after overwhelming the Necrons, the Tyranids would starve to death….Time to start anew🫡
A theory I like to ponder is: what if the nids where a creation of the old ones as to purge it’s other creations who were far too powerful to exist indefinitely. So the nids followed the war in heaven from galaxy to galaxy (?). They ultimately decided to halt their approach of our galaxy during mankind’s rise, as the galaxy was effectively defended by a biomassless cybernetic force. Now that this is no longer the case, so they are now approaching. Furthermore, I like to think that this is the true reason that the necrons chose to sleep. They are biomassless, so little interest to the nids. The necrons knew that they would eventually fight the nids but it didn’t make sense as they would be yet another enemy to fight. So the necrons, recognizing the nids’ purpose, decided to sleep and let the nids devour the eldar, etc and then they would wake afterwards.
What if the Tyranids ARE The Old Ones. Or some surviving ones and they did this to become unremovable from the material realm and to also be a void in the warp. A sort of way for the Old Ones to "reset" The Materium. After they succeed then the Tyranids use all the biomass and information to reconstruct themselves as Old Ones?
What if the Nids are baby Old Ones. They need biomass to grow and develop their "Hive Minds" into later stages of life development. What if the Old Ones in the Milky Way were depleted to the point that they needed to reproduce in order to counter the Necron and Ctan?
Would Blanks like The Sisters of Battle be useful in these situations where Psykers are being overloaded? I'm becoming increasingly convinced those bitchs are the answer to alot of problems.
Yes. The pariah ability of chapter master Alexandros the Blind of the Son of Dorn Astartes chapter broke the hivemind's control over the attacking bioforms. Even the presence of the Swarm Lord was not sufficient to maintain synapse control.
Great series idea man! Love your stuff hope you go full time at some point. Love your video form stuff and you do a good job of stream discussion as well. Big respect 🫡
@@SandmanofTerra absolutely mean it man! Also loved your “dramatized” script clips you added. Really kept my attention throughout. I think the length was perfect as well. Long enough to keep playing in the background but not overwhelmingly lengthy. You asked for suggestions at the end and if I had to make one I would say my suggestion would be use the comments a bit more actively during the stream. Some people might add some good insight and spark good threads of thought processes. Overall once again great job mate.
I can’t wait till the EOMK awakens He’s gonna be like” those 1000 psycher a day we were cooking ?well we didn’t have to do that !!my own power kept me alive 😈
The Orks may prove a the solution to the Tyranid thread. As Grandmaster Absolvus of the Ordo Xenos has theorized, if the Hivefleets are attracted to the vitality inherent in organic life matter as seems to be the case, then maybe they can be lured towards a high density of such vitality. This density will consist of Orks in the throes of a Waaarg. If a Waaarg of sufficient intensity could be brought to bear on a hivefleet, Grandmaster Absolvus theorizes this will engage the two forces in a perpetual struggle contained within a defined area. We know from past experience, while the Ork cannot be contained, it can be manipulated. The difficulty, then, persists in a) how to safely cultivate a Waaarg to suffiecient intensity, and b) how to direct it to a quadrant suitably isolated yet with enough systems and planets to allow the Orks to keep up their momentum in face of the Tyranid' onslaught. Also there is the possibility of the Orks, if they turn out even more succesful than anticipated, will summon incarnations of Gork and Mork. This, however, is deemed an acceptable risk if it means an end to the Tyranid scourge.
I have seen a few of your streams. I just thought I would say thank you today. I know this was in the past but it's so well-paced, and against so many channels, the cream really does rise to the top. :)
@zergrush_9704 that makes no sense. They are making a direct line to the galaxy. The distance between galaxies is so vast that surely they would die of starvation
@@Lee-vp8vs They choose a course, make a push in this direction and fall into hibernation, they will fly to the right place by inertia. In space, you don't have to control your flight all the time. In the story about Kain, the tyranid ship lay in stasis for 7 thousand years, in other stories it was told how one genestealer slept for a thousand years without any supplies, and now imagine how long they are able to fly without food if a whole giant hive periodically wakes up, exchanges accumulated nutrients and eats less significant ships. They can stay in this mode for countless thousands of years. They are able to almost die for a while to save energy, their hibernation looks like they were turned into stones, their incredible biology allows them to do so.
I quite liked this slightly more free-form format of video from you, especially with the short story style sections you read out. Looking forwards to more :)
Ahh thanks dude!
I agree.
Do agree, feels conversational/instructional. More of this please.
My issue with the Old Ones making the Tyranids: they fought the War in Heaven against the Necrons (and Ctan), so why would they create a new race that is countered so directly by the non-biological, soulless Necrons?
Maybe old ones that managed to escape the war in heaven foresaw the rise of man and create the Nids to wipe the slate clean once the Imperium reaches its peak
The nids can still win vs necrons using weight of numbers and adaption. Maybe the old ones determined that none of the existing races were up to snuff but that a biological weapon like the Tyranids was the only way to wipe out the necrons. If the tyranids were an engineered weapon it could be thought of like a pikmen ball of all the bio matter in the galaxy being thrown at the necrons.
Because the necrons want to find a new biological Host.
Wiping out the galaxy with the nids as a self replication bioweapon using the xenocided biomass is the most efficient way to deprive the necrons of their goal.
That s why the silent king came back, he sees the threat it poses to his plans.
Not only that but the Tyranids are considerably less advanced than either the Prime Aeldari let alone the Prime Necron's. Hell, the DAoT human civilization probably would have wrecked the Tyranids as they are now.
So if the Old One's did build them, there's no way they would have done it around the War in Heaven because the Tyranids would get wiped super easily, in fact up until the Fall of the Aeldari the Tyranids honestly couldn't touch them.
I don't know, I feel like the other Old One creations are superior technologically, though I guess we haven't seen if the Tyranids have answers to supertechnologies yet.
@@JohnDobakNids can beat Necrons but they dont gain anything fighting them and only stand to lose precious biomass due to Gauss Weapons. There is no reason Nids would willingly fight Necrons unless they would gain something greater then potentially losing (permanently) half their hivefleet
I like the idea that the biomass collected from each fleet is to feed some sort of Hive King or some sort of Ultra organism being bred on Tiamat that can control all the different fleets at once and give them some sort of ascendancy into something they were before. It sounds like they were floating through space after starving or losing some cohesive part of themselves, so now they can use the biomass to rebuild into what they ACTUALLY are...which would be game over but a fun ticking time bomb.
Kinda defeats the purpose of the nids being an unstoppable, decentralized swarm. Investing all that biomass into one target that can disrupt multiple hive fleets sounds like modern Disney level writing.
If the current Nids were attracted by a beacon, wouldn't the scariest thing the Nids can build be a more powerful beacon?
@@similaritiesendhere
I mean it depends on exactly what the Swarms are, they might simply be the workers or drones that feed the Hive Mind, we currently know the Hive Mind has no physical form, so perhaps they are feeding their King\Queen as it forms a new physical embodiment.
At the end of the day the Hivemind is creating counters to the Primarchs and other units, so creating an answer to something like the Emperor and other superweapons makes quite a bit of sense. I mean we haven't seen any counter for supertech from the Tyranids yet, they need something en par with the apocalyptic doomsday weapons of the other factions even if they are a swarm faction.
@@similaritiesendhereNo. The scariest thing it could be would be an antennae, one of _many_
@@TheCorrodedMan The hive mind already has antennas. They're called tyrannid forms. Every tyranid form sends info to the hive mind if the distance isn't too great.
Beacons like the Astronomicon and Pharo's device attracted to tyranids to our galaxy. A tyranid beacon might broadcast a stronger signal.
@@similaritiesendhere Yes, but one that could connect every hive fleet to the rest instantly? That would be useful.
Synapse creatures are a weak solution to a problem the Nids seem to be working out; you can destroy an army by “cutting the head off the snake” as it were, killing the synapse and leaving the rest feral. But what if the connection was continuous? A perfect psychic link between every single tyranid bioforms currently within our galaxy, allowing the Hive Mind to coordinate its fleet with unprecedented unity.
I really hope the Tyranids weren't constructed by The Old Ones, Simply because to many other franchises have done the cliche of old ancient race creates an ever evolving bio organism (Halo, Starcraft, Aliens). Plus I was under the impression that The Old Ones only existed in out galaxy and that the tyrainds came from outside our galaxy. If The Old Ones were able to leave our galaxy it implies they are still around or that the Necrons inhabit other galaxies as well.
Old ones fled through the webway, necrins cant follow through it.
I like the idea of the old ones making the tyrannids. Either because of the frankenstein mythos if they got killed by their créations or because it implies there is another endgame boss after the tyranids are defeated.
The old ones coming back behind the tyrannids would be a conundrum for aeldars, a war for necrons and whi knows what they can do with orks
Yea, I feel when everything goes to one old source maybe the writers need come up with some other ultraold ones. Not nessesarily migthy, just something else.
Hey the flood was not created by the precursors, the flood IS The Precursors.
I disagree@@etienne8110
The Old ones definitely did not exist only in the Milky Way galaxy
The Tyranids are fascinating, there fast becoming one of my favourite races in 40k. With regards to the stream i think these deep lore discussions are excellent, there doing an excellent job getting me through some pretty laborious shifts at work haa. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work.
Good to know! Thanks for the support
I appreciate the realness of video like this.. there's no dramatic background music, no overly descriptive commentary shoving buzz words down your throat, but just talking and sharing something he enjoys worth the audience
Not that we don’t also like a little dramatic music now and then as well 😅
We haven't not found any evidence of extra-terrestrial life yet in the Milkyway Galaxy.
They call this Fermi's Paradox.
According to some solutions to Fermi's Paradox there might not be any. We could well be it. At least for the local galactic cluster.
Some people are disappointed by this but after reading Warhammer 40k lore. Its more of a massive relief.
Everyone else has been eaten, fermi paradox solved
@@cascadianrangers728 Yes the Tyranids somehow missed us.
Reapers?!
When he said that the sororitas sisters ship was covered in fleshy sacks the child in me couldn't help but laugh.
Great video, I also heard a theory they’re running away from something. that’s why they enter the 40k galaxy.
Really love this video format. Also, as someone who isn't that well versed in the Tyranids, this deep dive was educational!
Tyranids are the top because Space Hulk is one of the best W40K board games. They need a villain like the half human half zerg character back in Star Craft.
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I just discover your channel and let me say.. your style of exposure of the Lore is the just so clean and logic to follow, its really a pleasure
Thanks so much! Really nice to get that kind of comment
I've always wanted to get into this and D&D. But there are so many books in Barnes and Noble I wouldn't know where to start🤷. Is there like an Omnibus you could recommend that is like early days/start of Warhammer 40k??? Or is it kind of like novels by certain factions??!
I LOVED this video. I have ordered the first Novel of the Horus Heresy to start me off on all the novels. Thanks to you and Leutin. Liked, subbed and commented to tickle the algorithm. Looking forward to more of these and pointed a few friends to your channel. I hope you get the recognition you deserve for such quality videos!
You legend! Glad you enjoyed it
Oh your in for a treat, the Horus Heresy novels are so good!
... where did they go-o?
Something-something COTTON EYE JOE!
Sorry, had to get that unstuck from my brain!
My theory on Tyranids is they come from another galaxy with another Eye. The Tyranids smelled another meal ticket. Like a faucet, their original eye had been maximally colonized. Anything that pours forth is consumed, with no more room in that food chain. So they went searching for another infinite meal ticket.
Kinda reminds me of the pulse of light that the traveler pushes out at the end of the D2 campaign. It goes through the whole galaxy, out of the galaxy. And it hits the black fleet that were hanging out, dormant outside the galaxy. The light of the traveler wakes it up, and the fleet makes its way toward earth from there.
Also.... what if the tyranids are the old ones? Maybe some old ones escaped the galaxy and turned into the tyranids, and then just evolved further on from there.
I think if the Old Ones created the Tyranids, they are either the amalgamation of all their genetic engineering and that the Krork, Eldar, and other races were test runs, OR like the Thunder Warriors and Astartes, they were to be a more controllable and refined warrior species that were to wipe out the Krork and Eldar after the war was over. I feel like they are a direct counter for them and it seems like a powerful enough psychre could control them, they would just have to be God-like in that power.
If you Read the first 3 books of the Heresy there are creatures on the planet called Murder that the beasts look like Tyranids.
The Tyranids evolved naturally, and they have been running away from something worse, taxes.
Tyranids is the only faction with a single-minded purpose and method. It will not resort to political machinations, diplomatic truces or alliances. And will take on all comers from all factions simultaneously.
I remember some tyranid survivor or species (kraken on russ planet, catachan etc).
But the eldari destroyed them the first time they came to this galaxy.
I like the theory that Tyranids are running away from something worse.
Me too. GW could but that one down in the most official and irrevocable way, but it will always be my headcanon.
if you look at the starcraft game the way the protoss( necrons) deal with the zerg( tyranids) is that exterminitus entire planets so there is no biomass. dead zone so they starve. This means that the Tyranids needed to eat something to make it to our galaxy. Something that was in the outer galaxy rim. I think that's what the silent king was investigating.
There are apparently Orks out beyond the galaxy's arms.
@@music79075 where did you get that from if you don’t mind me asking?
@hermesshkurti396 it's an excerpt from a book. Although now that I have reread it it could be anything from "there are Orks across the edges of the Galaxy" to "some Orks caught it and now use it as upholstery"
Google "orks beyond the milky way galaxy 40k"
Even the Legion of the Damned showed up on Baal to help the Blood Angels
First off great video especially since it was on my favorite buggy boys. As for the old ones theory i dont feel it makes sense as the old ones liked to create new races whereas the tyranids simply wipe out life on a galactic level down to the microbes so it goes against everything they were about. Also the amount of time it takes for the tyanid force to actually comsume a galaxy whole sale is likely a very long endevour and for them to have the supposed mass thet have where they can for all intensive purpose encompass a galaxy that amount of biomass is simply insane like your talking about possibly thousands of galaxies being consumed and then they were asleep. I beleive that when they are in their intergalactic form they are basically one large being with individual ships being cells and forming those large eyes we heard about from the ferros quote. As for the nids we've seen before it is likely that the super organism shoots off ships like we shed cells in different directions and we sadly got found out by these vanguard ships.
this format sounds great, specially with the comments on stream to clarify or discuss topics, maybe even bringing different experts on certain factions if the theme requires it (just an idea), overall great to see u experiment around video formats
Extremely interesting, it makes me wonder how the emperor being able to speak now will affect what is happening with the answer to these bastard bugs.
I think tyranids are space fairing creatures almost as old as the old ones and they feed off of the warp it’s power and chaos
Personally not a fan of the idea of the Tyranids being a creation of the Old Ones. I prefer Tyranids to be truly alien in that they originate from another galaxy entirely.
My hypothesis is that Tyranids were created by the Zoats in the Andromeda galaxy, or another nearby galaxy. Reasoning is that Zoats arrived in our galaxy before Behemoth consumed Tyran looking for safe harbor as they were on the run from an unknown threat. Zoats don't breathe an earth like atmosphere, yet Orks, Eldar, Jokero, humans etc all do. The Zoats have six limbs just like Tyranids do and even use Tyranid weapon symbiotes, though the process of binding is agonizing for them.
I think the Zoats that arrived in the Milky Way are the shattered remnants of the dominant species in the last galaxy the Tyranids consumed. They came here hoping to escape and to claim refuge and unfortunately met the intolerant Imperium of Man. Maybe if humans were more tolerant we could have received an early warning and been ready for the Tyranids' arrival.
Do you have audio versions of your videos on podcast services? My job is cracking down on phone use so audio versions would be awesome
I believe the Tyranids were created by the Outsider in his madness.
Absolutely golden content my man, standard painting sounds now 🙌
He calls the Tyranids “mean”. 😂😂 that’s like calling a mass murderer a bully. Good stuff.
It'd be kinda cool to see an alliance form between the Eldar, Orks, and Terra to fight the Tyranids. We kinda already saw that with the massive battle between the Orks that the Imperium manipulated into being, and the tyranids will absolutely warrants some kind of temporary ceasefire between these factions in order to repel them. I also wonder if chaos would get involved, since the chaos gods need humans and eldar around to manipulate.
More likely between Imperium, Aeldari, T'au, and Votann, I would imagine. Orks are far too volatile to follow anyone that isn't the biggest ork.
I heard the Old Ones theory a while ago, and I do like it; it's similar to the Preservers and the Flood in Halo. But, I did have the thought that , based on the hunger; they are the great devourer, what if they actually have something to do with the C'tan. The only full C'tan that still exists is Tsara'noga the Outsider, who got tricked by Ceogorach and ate a bunch of other C'tan, then just happened to go insane and leave the galaxy. Whilst looking up the name on the Wiki, I found a whole part asking that very question that I dont remember being there. But I really like the idea, of the last C'tan, coming back to finish the War In Heaven.
Although another C'tan it could be, purely based on their name is Iash'uddra the Endless Swarm; because.... reasons. Reason. Because there is nothing else known about them other than the name.
the issue whit the war in heaven is that Tyranids are confirmed to be older then the war in heaven we are talking Billions of years old
there isnt a confirmation on anything regarding the nids prior to them showing up in the milky way. we know nothing, but i can deffo tell you, the Old ones did not make them. @@viktorgabriel2554
Maybe big Es plan with the webway was to sit out the tyranid invasion and let them pass shutting the webway off in real space behind them
Great format
Tyranids took my job
Love this format feels more like story telling.
Just a thought, but if the Pharos device kills psykers if they get to close, why not send in the Sisters of Silence. They.re psychik nulls, it might just implode if they,re looking at it. Great video.
Wow, nice. The image of an astropath basically popping is epic
The Emperor fights Tyranids in ancient history...
Big E: "Here's something else I'm going keep my mouth shut about."
Somewhere else, the Pharos did, the thing on tiamet is either a bio-beacon or a bio-pylon. Perhaps both.
What the Commissar didn’t know was the reinforcements meant to reach him were re-routed to fight the 3rd War for Armageddon.
Every army book is a puff piece; every major hive fleet to date has been billed as the doom of the galaxy. Each time the Tyranids lose and the next big bad takes centre stage.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree that the Tyranids being an existential threat that will unstoppably locust-swarm their way through the entire galaxy, is probably oversold. They're a major threat on a scale that all the various factions have to deal with, certainly, but I'm not convinced that being eaten by bugs is the inevitable destiny of the galaxy the way the 'Nid codexes make it seem.
Question ... Given how time works in the warp its possible to send a ship with a warning and have it arrive at its destination before its ever even sent from the other..
So couldt you theoretically "shotgun" a bunch of ships into the void with the same mesaage hoping one time travels to deliver rhe message before its technically needed?
Imagine tyranjds show up and theres already a response fleet because the warning about them time traveld a decade in the past
You just found a new subscriber I like how you present the lore
There was a little fluff snippet in Codex Imperialis from the 2nd edition starter set, of a Magos Biologis hypothesising that viruses are actually the first tyranid microorganisms to reach the Galaxy aeons ago
A long while ago, in the first (or 2nd) codex of the necrons. In the back of the book, It mentions a sphere travelling in front of the tyranid fleet, with a notion that it not certain if it was leading or running from the tyranids… might be hinting at the time to the c’tan “the out sider”. But since them I have been out of the loop with the setting lord, and now wondering what became of it. I look around online, but not yet found anything on it. Atm, it might be a lost story plot that never was followed up..? Just wondering if anyone here might know something about it.
Imagine if the Tyranids were created as the ultimate irony for the necrons courtesy of the Old Ones.
Not the biggest fan, I don’t exactly do tabletop but I have friends who do. I just appreciate your interpretation of this worlds lord and the like. Good work.
Badass narration
Great work Sandman. Enjoyed this one.
I wish my job was to sit in my chambers and ponder the Tyranid threat
The Khornate daemons that showed up at the Devestation of Baal were lead by the Bloodthirster Ka'Bandha Bane of Angels. The birth of the Cicatrix Maladictum is what allowed Ka'Banda to come to Baal Primaris. But why did he come? That is summed up in 3 words: "They are MINE!"
Enjoyable mate. Can't wait for more.
Thanks man!
Girlymann is atwatt. Abbadon is going to eat his lunch.
The earliest instance of someone fighting against the Tyranids...
Ripley.... lmfao
In my head canon, and I know it has many flaws, the Hive mind can only be the result of a C'tan from another galaxy that was interfaced with biological machinery, instead of mechanical. First: whenever the tyranids come from, they had C'tan, they are universal. Both C'tan and the Hive mind are beings of "endless hunger". Both don't fuck around with the warp (I know there are psyker bugs, but they could be more like proxies, plus they don't use it to travel or anything). And that's it. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Whenever?
9:18
There is a random chapter in the Leviathan book that confused me. It seems to be a servitor being effected by the hive mind/Harbinger. Am I alone in this confusion?
I think the Tyranids is the only one not related to the old ones from the Warp. They are more or less a intergalactic cocroach problem..
I'm pretty much on board with Baldermort on the idea that the Eldar were the anti-C'tan race while the Krork were a lot more effective at fighting Necrons
Does the lore explicitly say otherwise? Or has everyone just assumed that it was the other way around?
The fact is there is still space and they could be completely unrelated to any of 40k lore up until they arrived
Does each Tyranid fleet have its own hive mind, or is there a big over-arching Mind? In the Infinite and the Divine, Trazyn chooses a Tyranid to fight the Deceiver shard, but it's somehow cut off from its hive mind, and I'm not particularly familiar with Tyranid lore.
I would love to see like some Star Trek or Farscape, some space sci-fi where they come to the 40k galaxy and are like na this place sucks and leave through a warm whole or something. 40k is the grim darkest fantasy creation ever. It’s good when there is a sliver of hope.
I remember old lore saying the Tyranids entered the galaxy because they are fleeing something far more devastating.
What if the Tyranids are actually a dream the Emporer his having and the Golden Throne is manifesting them into real space. The only thing that will stop them is dearh of the Emporer will end the threat since he cant be awakened.
What if those spider things Horus fought during the crusades on that planet with the fog and storms were what kept the Tyranids at bay ? But in the eons they were no threat that race called the interects or whatever they're called wiped them all out except a small population that they kept imprisoned on that planet in case Tyranids ever came back ? Then the Imperium wiped them out and that's why the interest appeared saying wtf? Which lead to the negotiations that fell apart because someone stole their alien chaos sword?
what are tyranid interactions with warp entities like? not just chaose demons, but other warp entities like enslavers
I always thought that the tyranids were drawn in by the Astronomicon and the big Es psychic lighthouse beacon
The Tyranids could potentially serve as the universe's ultimate reset button. As they devour every bioform, they not only consume physical life but also weaken the Warp gods and their followers. Once their conquest is complete, and every life form has been absorbed, the Tyranids themselves may lose all purpose and ultimately disappear.
The Hive-Mind is just an Old-One who realized that after the bio-universe is wiped out only the Necons will be left to eat…..after overwhelming the Necrons, the Tyranids would starve to death….Time to start anew🫡
A theory I like to ponder is: what if the nids where a creation of the old ones as to purge it’s other creations who were far too powerful to exist indefinitely. So the nids followed the war in heaven from galaxy to galaxy (?). They ultimately decided to halt their approach of our galaxy during mankind’s rise, as the galaxy was effectively defended by a biomassless cybernetic force. Now that this is no longer the case, so they are now approaching. Furthermore, I like to think that this is the true reason that the necrons chose to sleep. They are biomassless, so little interest to the nids. The necrons knew that they would eventually fight the nids but it didn’t make sense as they would be yet another enemy to fight. So the necrons, recognizing the nids’ purpose, decided to sleep and let the nids devour the eldar, etc and then they would wake afterwards.
The tyranids feel like an actual gorilla showing up to a lightweight mma fight.
They feel like cannon fodder more than anything
What if the Tyranids ARE The Old Ones. Or some surviving ones and they did this to become unremovable from the material realm and to also be a void in the warp.
A sort of way for the Old Ones to "reset" The Materium.
After they succeed then the Tyranids use all the biomass and information to reconstruct themselves as Old Ones?
What if the Nids are baby Old Ones. They need biomass to grow and develop their "Hive Minds" into later stages of life development. What if the Old Ones in the Milky Way were depleted to the point that they needed to reproduce in order to counter the Necron and Ctan?
Great readings from the lore, as always 👍🏻
The Big G is the best hope for our galaxy - The Big E ain't gonna save us
Would Blanks like The Sisters of Battle be useful in these situations where Psykers are being overloaded? I'm becoming increasingly convinced those bitchs are the answer to alot of problems.
Yes.
The pariah ability of chapter master Alexandros the Blind of the Son of Dorn Astartes chapter broke the hivemind's control over the attacking bioforms. Even the presence of the Swarm Lord was not sufficient to maintain synapse control.
Great series idea man! Love your stuff hope you go full time at some point. Love your video form stuff and you do a good job of stream discussion as well. Big respect 🫡
Thanks a ton!
@@SandmanofTerra absolutely mean it man! Also loved your “dramatized” script clips you added. Really kept my attention throughout. I think the length was perfect as well. Long enough to keep playing in the background but not overwhelmingly lengthy. You asked for suggestions at the end and if I had to make one I would say my suggestion would be use the comments a bit more actively during the stream. Some people might add some good insight and spark good threads of thought processes. Overall once again great job mate.
Great presence,voice and format. Subbed.
Much appreciated!
I can’t wait till the EOMK awakens
He’s gonna be like” those 1000 psycher a day we were cooking ?well we didn’t have to do that !!my own power kept me alive 😈
The Orks may prove a the solution to the Tyranid thread. As Grandmaster Absolvus of the Ordo Xenos has theorized, if the Hivefleets are attracted to the vitality inherent in organic life matter as seems to be the case, then maybe they can be lured towards a high density of such vitality. This density will consist of Orks in the throes of a Waaarg. If a Waaarg of sufficient intensity could be brought to bear on a hivefleet, Grandmaster Absolvus theorizes this will engage the two forces in a perpetual struggle contained within a defined area. We know from past experience, while the Ork cannot be contained, it can be manipulated. The difficulty, then, persists in a) how to safely cultivate a Waaarg to suffiecient intensity, and b) how to direct it to a quadrant suitably isolated yet with enough systems and planets to allow the Orks to keep up their momentum in face of the Tyranid' onslaught. Also there is the possibility of the Orks, if they turn out even more succesful than anticipated, will summon incarnations of Gork and Mork. This, however, is deemed an acceptable risk if it means an end to the Tyranid scourge.
While the robber-prey model is mathematically stable as a dynamic system I think Ork-tyranid is unstable to whoever first gets the upper hand.
I have seen a few of your streams. I just thought I would say thank you today. I know this was in the past but it's so well-paced, and against so many channels, the cream really does rise to the top.
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Thank you so much man! That means the world
Where did they come from, where did they go?
Where do you come from Tyranid Joe?
At one point I really thought you were going to suggest that the Loch Ness monster was a tyranid 🤣
Doing my deep dive into thr nids before my JOYTOY 40K review on them and the best man to get th3 info from is Sandman!!!
When you realize that the Tyranids are the threat to everyone and embracing the full, unrestrained power Chaos is the path to salvation.
Makes sense to me
i like the idear that they are fleeing from something bigger
Would the Molecule Disruption Device be an effective weapon against the Tyranids?
What if the Raghdan were and are Tyranids?
I like the old ones theory or that the tyranids is running from something far more dangerous
Both suck as theories.
didnt the mechanicum run into the nids defeat them by burning an entire world and then forget about it?
Old One biological reset mechanism in case of rampant psychic hell. ( enslavers/deamons etc ).
They're the equivalent to farm animals grazing. Farmer is going to come through if we harm his cattle
This was great! Please do more.
It's rowboat's fault. It's always girlyman's fault
Really like this format, raw and interesting. Keep it up! :)
Awesome, thank you!
My big question on the Nids.
They need biomass to survive, right? So what did they survive on outside the galaxy?
They probably just hibernate untill they feel that food is near
@zergrush_9704 that makes no sense. They are making a direct line to the galaxy. The distance between galaxies is so vast that surely they would die of starvation
@@Lee-vp8vs They choose a course, make a push in this direction and fall into hibernation, they will fly to the right place by inertia. In space, you don't have to control your flight all the time. In the story about Kain, the tyranid ship lay in stasis for 7 thousand years, in other stories it was told how one genestealer slept for a thousand years without any supplies, and now imagine how long they are able to fly without food if a whole giant hive periodically wakes up, exchanges accumulated nutrients and eats less significant ships. They can stay in this mode for countless thousands of years. They are able to almost die for a while to save energy, their hibernation looks like they were turned into stones, their incredible biology allows them to do so.
If the hive mind is such a massive psychic force how is it not a chaos God itself?
Where did they come from, where did they go..
Where did they come from.. Oh GOD NO 🎶