ESAB 205 vs MILLER 220 vs HTP. Coming from a 205ic (sold) having a Miller 220 (for sale), I’ve now owned the revolution 2500 for about 3 months now. I’ve put in few hours of run time in, mostly tig and mig process with some stick welding (including 6010). I’m nothing short of impressed with the machine. Here’s some Pros and Cons of each, starting with the Cons or things I don’t care for. ESAB 205: CONS 1)Had some board errors when the temperatures were too cold and it would not function. Said an update would fix it but it did not fix mine. 2) Came with a 150amp mig gun for a 200amp machine, the quality was good just undersized. 3) Ground clamp was flimsy but easy replaceable. 4) Only came with one regulator but it was of good quality, just should come with two for the price. 5) Customer Support was not very good. 6) Not a lot of accessories available.7) Fans a little loud but not as loud in person as it was in videos that I watched beforehand PROS: 1) It’s built very robust, like the handles, and rubber bumpers. 2) Like the led light inside the spool cabinet. 3) Drive roll assembly is quality. 4) Performance was overall really good and better than the Miller in most every area, and it can run 6010 decent. 5) The menu is pretty easy and laid out good, and like the consumables parts list being right there on the menu. 6) Price was a little better and overall build quality was better than the miller. 7) The ability to use multiple mig wire spools and came with mig wire, tungsten and a few stick electrodes to get you started. 8) Could push it beyond its rated duty cycle. I would choose the Esab over the Miller 220 Miller 220: Cons: 1) Menu would freeze/lock up between changing process, when using the trigger switch method, would have to power cycle to make it operational again, also had the screen go black and had to restart it to get it back running 2) Price tag vs performance, just isn’t that great. 3) Proprietary mig gun, so not easy replaceable and felt cheaper made than the ESAB but worked fine. 4) Not near as much adjustability 5) Won’t keep 6010 lit and mean even struggles restarting 6011. 6) Not as robustly built. 7) Ground clamp is a little better but still flimsy. 8) Tig pedal was flimsy and the 25mm dense connectors are hobby grade. 9) Could easily hit the low duty cycles. 10) Wish it had a led cabinet light like the ESAB. 11) Like the ESAB it has a 150amp mig gun for a 200amp machine. 12) It’s not made in USA like they want people to believe, it’s only Assembled here from foreign parts and that’s clearly written all over it! PROS: 1) Comes with 2 good regulators. 2) Menu is well laid out, the buttons have a good feel (but dials feel a little cheap but worked well). 3) Drive roll assembly is the best of all 3 but doesn’t run or feel as smooth as the HTP. 4) Like that it came with some consumables like the ESAB. 5) Customer Service was a little bit better than ESABs but marginally of course that depends on who you get on the phone. 6) The Bernard Tig torch was pretty good quality. 7) Nice additional accessories available(like covers, carts etc) 8) It can accommodate different mig wire spool sizes 9) When it worked I like the ability to hit the trigger or pedal to switch process. But honestly it’s a rarely used feature and not that important. HTP 2500 Cons: 1) It doesn’t accommodate the small 4lb wire spool sizes. 2) No cabinet Led light. 3) This is a Pro&Con Drive roll assembly is Swiss made and quality for sure, but it being made of plastic just still bugs me lol. It however looks to be glass reinforced nylon and is built very robust and works smoother & quieter than any I’ve ever seen. 🤷🏼♂️ 4) Didn’t come with any Consumables. 5) There are a few accessories available but wish there were more, and they were more customized Pros: 1) Build quality and made in Italy. They go out of their way to resource very little from China. 2) Menu is well laid out, buttons and knobs feel and work great, easy to use. 3) A lot of Adjustability and options not found on either of the compared models. 4) Duty cycles are higher and pushed mine past duty cycle on Mig and Tig process. 5) The fan noise isn’t annoying (the ESAB can be) 6) Comes with 2 regulators. 7 HTP sources many or sometimes all of the accessory parts from here on the US, and they are quality 8) Like the included slider that can be used on different processes. 9) Like you can get a control board add-on to use Miller spool guns if desired. 10) All welding process were smoother or at least equal. 11) Love the Mig Euro connectors and wish everyone would go to this style of leads. 12)Customer support was top notch (Speak with Heather or Petter and you will get help with anything they make or sale) 13) They are confident about their product and are very clear about that. 14) It will run 6010 (only tried red 1/8 & 5/32 electrodes) but it ran them good, turn the arc force up and it welds even better when digging deep.. They are all good welders but in this particular case there is a best for the money which the HTP is a clear best choice when a person has owned 2 others in the same class. It’s hands down the best multi process welder for the money. I also have experience with the miller 235, 255, Everlast 275 and the esab 285 as well, and there’s a HTP 2500 on my main welding cart. 🤷🏼♂️ This write wasn’t to bash any particular welder, there are several good choices and fine machines in this class. It’s just some simple facts, personal experiences and some opinions (which could be subjective) for those who may want the best option for their hard earned money. Happy Welding
Before I watched the video I read some comments and clicked the link and saw the price ... honestly I was skeptical. But I have to say, this looks like a really nice machine. I am really impressed with the nice practical and not gimmicky features that make it look less like a jack of old trades problem that a lot of multi process machines have. The two biggest things that started to change my mind were the AL MIG features and the full featured TIG. Im not aware of multi process machines, even the Blue ones, that have this. Thats pretty impressive. And pushing AL wire from the box and not from a spool gun ... very impressive. Im honestly still leaning towards a primeweld TIG machine, most likely the 325, but after watching this video I can definitely see where this htp machine would satisfy a substantial part of the market. Tim, thanks for sharing, very well done video, videography was fantastic as always, and great info to boot. Thanks.
I like and recommend your channel to anyone interested in welding and building projects. Thank you. I liked this review and if I didn't have 2 Everlast Power MTS welders I'd probably buy this one. I like the welds but would like to see more cut and etch weld inspections. Welds could look good and not have the penetration. Thank you for your time and videos.
I've got access to all the machines I could ever want at work, but at home I have an ancient Forney buzzbox the size of a dishwasher with an AC to DC converter on top, a Lincoln 180 MIG, a Chicago Electric wire feeder for flux core, a little 90 amp DC inverter stick welder and a Reboot 45 Plasma cutter. They do everything I ask of them in the garage, but they take up a lot of room. If I could eliminate all but the plasma It would clear up enough space to be worth it in my 24'X26" home garage that has two cars parked in it almost constantly. I'll do some more research on the machine and see how it would work for me. My only concern is that I'd have to add another bottle for the Argon and 80cf bottles are getting expensive around here. Thanks, I always enjoy your videos. They're well done. To the point, with facts and real world experience. Plus you always have excellent visuals and camera angles. This one is timely for me. Much appreciated
This was just released earlier this year and they just wanted to continue to spread awareness because there are more shipments on the way and a waitlist. They're easy to reach, so you can just give them a call and they'll tell you the straight story on waitlists, availability and anything you want to know.
They just had a fall sale that ended at the end of October and had almost 1k off of that machine they sold a ton of them. I have the pro pulse 220 and it’s an awesome machine and this one is no doubt just as good
Because they are sold out. I own one and it’s the best multiprocess welder I’ve used or owned. Done a more detailed write up in the comments section here comparing two other make/models that I’ve owned
Tim can you show around inside the machine in future reviews? Possibly highlight main microchips? Can you also demo arc gouging with future machines? If you have not done it before we will learn with you 😊
I don't like the price. I have plans on purchasing the Prime Weld 225 and selling my P&H heii arc machine. I will be saving space and have more options for TIG welding. With all the multiprocess welders coming out, you would think that more manufacturers would design in a plasma cutter with AC/DC TIG but so far, the options are few and when they add a feature, they seem to drop some.
Someone needs to invent an app where you put in what you want to weld, and it spits out a list of consumables and settings. That is the most daunting thing for me, and I bet i’m not the only one.
@TimWelds do you know why they didn’t put a 15ft long mig on it ? I asked Peter about it and he wouldn’t answer my question so I’m asking you. And what’s the wire feeder made of?
I dont know when you asked me🤷♂️ Typically i try to explain this to everyone, maybe i need to make a video, my wife says i sound like a broken record….😂 So on old mig transformer machines the power is consistent. The wire “does its thing” it dips in and out of the puddle. If you have a new smart inverter machine like a miller with RMD or a Lincoln with STT or an HTP with ST-ARC. The welding output current is being constantly adjusted. The machine knows and anticipates when the wire is about to dip into the molten puddle and in order to not have an explosion and spatter flying everywhere, the computer controls the inverter and pulls energy out of the circuit. As soon as the wire has made contact it ramps it back up. This virtually eliminates spatter, it reduces warpage, narrows the heat affected zone. …. THE PROBLEM IS: Either the power needs to be 100% consistent or the wire feet itself has to be 100% consistent since the power level is being adjusted. The wire feet has to be 100% consistent. To accomplish this, you either need to run very large wire, diameters or shorter torches In a long torch, the wire can bunch up and then release all at once, and the timing will be off so there is a harmonics of the electricity that the computer is forcing and if that overlay with the harmonics of a wire, not being fed consistently, then this causes problems Those problems, HTP tries to prevent as they create service calls People will complain about the machine, not weld incorrectly. If there is a problem with long mig guns. Some people buy 15 foot guns anyways and are happy with the outcome. This is a very bold decision to do that. As the liner starts to wear or the tip starts to wear you are likely to experience weld performance issues, prematurely A 10 foot gun typically is a very good and robust solution Especially in small spaces there is often not enough room to lay a 15 foot gun out in a large enough loop to avoid those problems
Thanks for the question! Well, I didn't know all that about the length of the whip and learned something new here. The wire feeder is made out of a variety of materials, including a reinforced plastic. It's a very good feeder, I've been using the Pro Pulse 200 with a similar feeder for a couple years and it's been flawless. While there is a part of me that would like everything to be built out of forged titanium machined to the tenth, it wouldn't make the feeder work any better.
Thanks for the comment! I haven't done many machine reviews lately, but some comparisons would be fun. The hard part about that particular comparison is that those brands don't play in the same price tier, so rather than a brand comparison, it becomes a comparison between tiers of machines. PrimeWeld does an excellent job of delivering and supporting a low cost machine. The HTP machines cost significantly more than PrimeWeld and compare more closely with some of the expensive name brands when it comes to how they are built, work they are capable of and how they perform.
@@TimWelds Thanks for the reply, I just purchased HTPs 221 inverting 220 watercooled on last months fall sale they held, was a great deal and this morning I placed a 2nd order with HTP for their MTS 220 Blackfriday sale just opened up today, I needed a new mig because I burned up my Hobart 210mvp. I spoke with Heather at HTP this morning she called me after I placed the order on line and helped me customize my order and still provided a great discount. I commented to her I should have just purchased the Revolution 2500 and saved some money, her thoughts were it would be better to have the dedicated machines for a few additional features. 🤷♂️ I don’t know she may be right. Anyway before I purchased the HTP I was seriously considering the cheaper alternative of Primeweld, primarily because it has been recognized by Jody the Weldmonger and he carries it on his site. So it occurred to me that would make an interesting comparison of cheap alternative vs mid range to expensive. I realize that HTP has been compared with Miller and some other top brands and fairs well. Love your content and watch all I can when time allows.
Great question! You gain more than you lose, in my opinion. On the MIG side, there are a couple synergic programs that the Pro Pulse has which aren’t on the Revolution, but they are specialized ones that I’d never use. On the Revolution, you gain full adjustment of double pulse, I think the programs run slightly better and the material thickness for synergic settings is more consistent with my preference. On the TIG side, the Invertig 221 has asymmetric waveforms, 4T and spot modes. The Revolution has 250 amps output, square and triangle waves, but no asymmetric adjustment and only 2T mode. There is a new Invertig 251 coming out on Monday that has every bell and whistle you could imagine which goes way beyond the all in one or Invertig 221. I’ll have a video about that machine on my channel on Monday. Across the board, the dedicated machines have stored programs and the all in one doesn’t. If you have other questions about them, feel free to shoot me an email at the address in my about page and I’ll help you out.
Gas shielded flux core, often called by its trade name 'Dual Shield' is a pretty easy process, but I wouldn't start with it. The gas does the shielding and the flux provides other advantages. It really has the most application in heavy industry, though. If you have a MIG with gas available, I'd just start with solid wire and 72Argon/25CO2 or straight CO2 gas.
what about duty cycle ?! and also is it run 50/60H cuz i us it out of usa is it run siliconbronze mig and CuAl9fe mig wire auto sitting hope you explane that thanks advans
If you want to just buy one setup that will take care of everything, it would be an awesome unit for that type of work and is well supported. It's not a small investment, so definitely do your homework and pick what's right for you, but I definitely don't think you'd regret this one.
Look into a product called the button …. An awesome product ! It’s a pressure sensitive button …. Google it you’ll find it about 250-300 dollar Or if you are mainly after tig welding , the new htp invertig 251 has a “dynamic power” function where you can weld without a foot pedal and just vary the distance the torch has to the metal and it will adjust amperage automatically
It's just the cheap kit lens that came with a Canon RP. I think it's a 24-105 F4-7.1, which is fine because I stop the aperture down anyway. I just use an ND filter on it, but it's really just an exercise in camera settings and getting an effective exposure setting for each situation.
@@TimWelds awesome. The arc shots look nice so I was curious if you used a shaded lens or camera settings. Thanks for the info. I dig the content as well
EWM and Bohler have multi process with pulse mig as do many others , its not a '' unique '' feature on this machine ,,, if you are going to make bold statements best your accurate with the facts. did you buy the machine your reviewing with your own money ? Does your razor actually take box cutter blades ?? Facts as above , if your going to say it welds razor blades then dont use utility knife blades , Im normally a fan of your videos but your wandering here ,,, nice that they supply CK accessories though. Has it got dual gas inputs too , and has it got high freq start on tig , all in all a handy looking machine though. And with the fan always on , you know its working when you plug it in , rather than finding out its not when your half way through a job and the machine goes into thermal protection.
Ignorant comment. When did he say “no one else offers pulse mig except these HTP machines” ?? And send us all a link to your review of the EWM and Bohler machines. So we can see how well they compare! Betting that doesn’t happen!
@@rentedmule1287 0:26 ,,,, completely unique ,, as proven it really isnt ,,, now youve been gobby enough to bump your gums Ill be expecting you to be man enough to apologize ... nuf said . as for posting a link google is your friend , and probably your only friend .
Hi Tim! Great videos - I really appreciate the time you put into all your videos. As a welding student, I've been looking for a way to film my welding process and I noticed a 2 things at czcams.com/video/P1hK_Vde6_0/video.html .... Did you make that "tripod" stand? Or maybe the "weight" that the stand is in? That is very neat - I'm curious what it is actually - the weight and the stand. Also, it looks like you have something holding a welding lens against the camera lens. I've been thinking how I might be able to do that but I've not seen anything in stores that facilitates that sorta thing - so I'm curious what you're doing because your weld passes are nicely visible!
Filming welding, at least with a standard camera, is more about the exposure settings than anything else, but I have come across a few things that make it easier. The stand is actually an arm with a magnetic base for gauges used in machining that I modified to hold a camera. Here's a link to the arm: amzn.to/3R7s2u7 Depending on the weight of the camera, I have some similar arms made by SmallRig that are cheaper and still work well or you can use a GorillaPod, which I do sometimes too. What you see on the end of the camera lens is just an ND filter. You can actually do it without or get any kind of cheap screw on ND filter, but the square ones are easy to remove and have a second slot that I cut welding helmet lens covers to go in to protect the filter. Here's a link to the filter that I use: amzn.to/3sHtV7u
A Miller 220 multimatic is a lesser machine for $4200 before taxes. ESAB, Lincoln and Fornius are comparable in price to the HTP and Miller. So while I would agree with a statement of them ALL being over priced, I would also say the HTP is competitively priced and offers more than the rest, a big part of that being reliability which most of us caring more about than anything else! No one wants to buy unreliable junk. But you can get a Everlast 275 with shitter build quality for $2500 but they are a pig in a poke. Been there done that.
How so ? Or which one ? The multimatic 200acdc? With 220 amps with 10% duty cycle rather than 250 amp 25% duty cycle ? Or is it the 20 amp starting amps on the miller than is better than the 5 amp on this machine ? Maybe its the lack of ac waveforms on the miller that makes it better because its less complicated that way…. Or maybe the lack of arc voltage or pulse functions on the mig side ? Or is it that that the miller is assembled with pride in appleton,wi with mainly chinese parts? Or maybe you were looking at a totally different model 🤷♂️
Far from it! It beats my current Miller 220 by far in several ways. Also My brother has a mullet 255 💩 and best friend has a miller 235 on running gear💩. So if you want some detail on why those two models are crap I can go into further detail. So please do tell us all why and tell us about your comparisons of the 2 machines, and whats better about the Miller?
This machine is definitely on the wish list I’m super impressed with my pp220 and can’t wait to get my hand on the 2500
ESAB 205 vs MILLER 220 vs HTP. Coming from a 205ic (sold) having a Miller 220 (for sale), I’ve now owned the revolution 2500 for about 3 months now. I’ve put in few hours of run time in, mostly tig and mig process with some stick welding (including 6010). I’m nothing short of impressed with the machine. Here’s some
Pros and Cons of each, starting with the Cons or things I don’t care for.
ESAB 205: CONS 1)Had some board errors when the temperatures were too cold and it would not function. Said an update would fix it but it did not fix mine. 2) Came with a 150amp mig gun for a 200amp machine, the quality was good just undersized. 3) Ground clamp was flimsy but easy replaceable. 4) Only came with one regulator but it was of good quality, just should come with two for the price. 5) Customer Support was not very good. 6) Not a lot of accessories available.7) Fans a little loud but not as loud in person as it was in videos that I watched beforehand
PROS: 1) It’s built very robust, like the handles, and rubber bumpers. 2) Like the led light inside the spool cabinet. 3) Drive roll assembly is quality. 4) Performance was overall really good and better than the Miller in most every area, and it can run 6010 decent. 5) The menu is pretty easy and laid out good, and like the consumables parts list being right there on the menu. 6) Price was a little better and overall build quality was better than the miller. 7) The ability to use multiple mig wire spools and came with mig wire, tungsten and a few stick electrodes to get you started.
8) Could push it beyond its rated duty cycle. I would choose the Esab over the Miller 220
Miller 220: Cons: 1) Menu would freeze/lock up between changing process, when using the trigger switch method, would have to power cycle to make it operational again, also had the screen go black and had to restart it to get it back running 2) Price tag vs performance, just isn’t that great. 3) Proprietary mig gun, so not easy replaceable and felt cheaper made than the ESAB but worked fine. 4) Not near as much adjustability 5) Won’t keep 6010 lit and mean even struggles restarting 6011. 6) Not as robustly built. 7) Ground clamp is a little better but still flimsy. 8) Tig pedal was flimsy and the 25mm dense connectors are hobby grade.
9) Could easily hit the low duty cycles. 10) Wish it had a led cabinet light like the ESAB. 11) Like the ESAB it has a 150amp mig gun for a 200amp machine. 12) It’s not made in USA like they want people to believe, it’s only Assembled here from foreign parts and that’s clearly written all over it!
PROS: 1) Comes with 2 good regulators. 2) Menu is well laid out, the buttons have a good feel (but dials feel a little cheap but worked well). 3) Drive roll assembly is the best of all 3 but doesn’t run or feel as smooth as the HTP. 4) Like that it came with some consumables like the ESAB. 5) Customer Service was a little bit better than ESABs but marginally of course that depends on who you get on the phone. 6) The Bernard Tig torch was pretty good quality. 7) Nice additional accessories available(like covers, carts etc) 8) It can accommodate different mig wire spool sizes
9) When it worked I like the ability to hit the trigger or pedal to switch process. But honestly it’s a rarely used feature and not that important.
HTP 2500 Cons: 1) It doesn’t accommodate the small 4lb wire spool sizes. 2) No cabinet Led light. 3) This is a Pro&Con Drive roll assembly is Swiss made and quality for sure, but it being made of plastic just still bugs me lol. It however looks to be glass reinforced nylon and is built very robust and works smoother & quieter than any I’ve ever seen. 🤷🏼♂️
4) Didn’t come with any Consumables. 5) There are a few accessories available but wish there were more, and they were more customized
Pros: 1) Build quality and made in Italy. They go out of their way to resource very little from China. 2) Menu is well laid out, buttons and knobs feel and work great, easy to use. 3) A lot of Adjustability and options not found on either of the compared models. 4) Duty cycles are higher and pushed mine past duty cycle on Mig and Tig process. 5) The fan noise isn’t annoying (the ESAB can be) 6) Comes with 2 regulators. 7 HTP sources many or sometimes all of the accessory parts from here on the US, and they are quality 8) Like the included slider that can be used on different processes. 9) Like you can get a control board add-on to use Miller spool guns if desired. 10) All welding process were smoother or at least equal. 11) Love the Mig Euro connectors and wish everyone would go to this style of leads. 12)Customer support was top notch (Speak with Heather or Petter and you will get help with anything they make or sale) 13) They are confident about their product and are very clear about that. 14) It will run 6010 (only tried red 1/8 & 5/32 electrodes) but it ran them good, turn the arc force up and it welds even better when digging deep..
They are all good welders but in this particular case there is a best for the money which the HTP is a clear best choice when a person has owned 2 others in the same class. It’s hands down the best multi process welder for the money.
I also have experience with the miller 235, 255, Everlast 275 and the esab 285 as well, and there’s a HTP 2500 on my main welding cart. 🤷🏼♂️
This write wasn’t to bash any particular welder, there are several good choices and fine machines in this class. It’s just some simple facts, personal experiences and some opinions (which could be subjective) for those who may want the best option for their hard earned money.
Happy Welding
Thanks for taking the time to write this up! It’s the best I’ve used as well.
Great write up and some very useful information.
To all the people complaining about the price ... if you simply stop paying the cable company you can save the cash in one year.
And in 6 month after you own it you will have earned the cost of the machine back with welding work
Thanks Tim! If i can ever afford to step up to a $3800 machine, this is one I'll look at. Everything appears very smooth with it!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Nice video great footage and well spoken!
Before I watched the video I read some comments and clicked the link and saw the price ... honestly I was skeptical. But I have to say, this looks like a really nice machine. I am really impressed with the nice practical and not gimmicky features that make it look less like a jack of old trades problem that a lot of multi process machines have. The two biggest things that started to change my mind were the AL MIG features and the full featured TIG. Im not aware of multi process machines, even the Blue ones, that have this. Thats pretty impressive. And pushing AL wire from the box and not from a spool gun ... very impressive. Im honestly still leaning towards a primeweld TIG machine, most likely the 325, but after watching this video I can definitely see where this htp machine would satisfy a substantial part of the market. Tim, thanks for sharing, very well done video, videography was fantastic as always, and great info to boot. Thanks.
Thank you so much! The TIG on it really is outstanding.
I like and recommend your channel to anyone interested in welding and building projects. Thank you. I liked this review and if I didn't have 2 Everlast Power MTS welders I'd probably buy this one. I like the welds but would like to see more cut and etch weld inspections. Welds could look good and not have the penetration. Thank you for your time and videos.
I've got access to all the machines I could ever want at work, but at home I have an ancient Forney buzzbox the size of a dishwasher with an AC to DC converter on top, a Lincoln 180 MIG, a Chicago Electric wire feeder for flux core, a little 90 amp DC inverter stick welder and a Reboot 45 Plasma cutter. They do everything I ask of them in the garage, but they take up a lot of room. If I could eliminate all but the plasma It would clear up enough space to be worth it in my 24'X26" home garage that has two cars parked in it almost constantly.
I'll do some more research on the machine and see how it would work for me. My only concern is that I'd have to add another bottle for the Argon and 80cf bottles are getting expensive around here.
Thanks, I always enjoy your videos. They're well done. To the point, with facts and real world experience. Plus you always have excellent visuals and camera angles. This one is timely for me.
Much appreciated
Thank you so much! I bet that old Forney weighs a few lbs!
They don't have any in stock to sell Tim. I'm glad you got paid to make a commercial, but there is no product to sell? Makes me nervous.
This was just released earlier this year and they just wanted to continue to spread awareness because there are more shipments on the way and a waitlist. They're easy to reach, so you can just give them a call and they'll tell you the straight story on waitlists, availability and anything you want to know.
They just had a fall sale that ended at the end of October and had almost 1k off of that machine they sold a ton of them. I have the pro pulse 220 and it’s an awesome machine and this one is no doubt just as good
@@TimWelds I'm happy with my plasma made by them.
Because they are sold out.
I own one and it’s the best multiprocess welder I’ve used or owned. Done a more detailed write up in the comments section here comparing two other make/models that I’ve owned
I like the stacked dimes look much better than smooth.
A slick stack of dimes is an awesome thing, for sure!
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Thank you!
Great video, Tim! ❤
Thank you!
Tim can you show around inside the machine in future reviews? Possibly highlight main microchips? Can you also demo arc gouging with future machines? If you have not done it before we will learn with you 😊
No arc gouging on this machen, the stick program is designed to join not to remove …. The new invertig 251 has a gouging program
That thing is sweet
I don't like the price. I have plans on purchasing the Prime Weld 225 and selling my P&H heii arc machine. I will be saving space and have more options for TIG welding. With all the multiprocess welders coming out, you would think that more manufacturers would design in a plasma cutter with AC/DC TIG but so far, the options are few and when they add a feature, they seem to drop some.
Someone needs to invent an app where you put in what you want to weld, and it spits out a list of consumables and settings. That is the most daunting thing for me, and I bet i’m not the only one.
@TimWelds do you know why they didn’t put a 15ft long mig on it ? I asked Peter about it and he wouldn’t answer my question so I’m asking you. And what’s the wire feeder made of?
I dont know when you asked me🤷♂️
Typically i try to explain this to everyone, maybe i need to make a video, my wife says i sound like a broken record….😂
So on old mig transformer machines the power is consistent. The wire “does its thing” it dips in and out of the puddle.
If you have a new smart inverter machine like a miller with RMD or a Lincoln with STT or an HTP with ST-ARC. The welding output current is being constantly adjusted.
The machine knows and anticipates when the wire is about to dip into the molten puddle and in order to not have an explosion and spatter flying everywhere, the computer controls the inverter and pulls energy out of the circuit. As soon as the wire has made contact it ramps it back up.
This virtually eliminates spatter, it reduces warpage, narrows the heat affected zone. ….
THE PROBLEM IS:
Either the power needs to be 100% consistent or the wire feet itself has to be 100% consistent since the power level is being adjusted. The wire feet has to be 100% consistent.
To accomplish this, you either need to run very large wire, diameters or shorter torches
In a long torch, the wire can bunch up and then release all at once, and the timing will be off so there is a harmonics of the electricity that the computer is forcing and if that overlay with the harmonics of a wire, not being fed consistently, then this causes problems
Those problems, HTP tries to prevent as they create service calls
People will complain about the machine, not weld incorrectly. If there is a problem with long mig guns.
Some people buy 15 foot guns anyways and are happy with the outcome. This is a very bold decision to do that. As the liner starts to wear or the tip starts to wear you are likely to experience weld performance issues, prematurely
A 10 foot gun typically is a very good and robust solution
Especially in small spaces there is often not enough room to lay a 15 foot gun out in a large enough loop to avoid those problems
Thanks for the question! Well, I didn't know all that about the length of the whip and learned something new here. The wire feeder is made out of a variety of materials, including a reinforced plastic. It's a very good feeder, I've been using the Pro Pulse 200 with a similar feeder for a couple years and it's been flawless. While there is a part of me that would like everything to be built out of forged titanium machined to the tenth, it wouldn't make the feeder work any better.
I would love to see an HTP to Primeweld comparison, please do one if you can have Primeweld send ya some machines to test.
Thanks for the comment! I haven't done many machine reviews lately, but some comparisons would be fun. The hard part about that particular comparison is that those brands don't play in the same price tier, so rather than a brand comparison, it becomes a comparison between tiers of machines. PrimeWeld does an excellent job of delivering and supporting a low cost machine. The HTP machines cost significantly more than PrimeWeld and compare more closely with some of the expensive name brands when it comes to how they are built, work they are capable of and how they perform.
@@TimWelds Thanks for the reply, I just purchased HTPs 221 inverting 220 watercooled on last months fall sale they held, was a great deal and this morning I placed a 2nd order with HTP for their MTS 220 Blackfriday sale just opened up today, I needed a new mig because I burned up my Hobart 210mvp. I spoke with Heather at HTP this morning she called me after I placed the order on line and helped me customize my order and still provided a great discount. I commented to her I should have just purchased the Revolution 2500 and saved some money, her thoughts were it would be better to have the dedicated machines for a few additional features. 🤷♂️ I don’t know she may be right. Anyway before I purchased the HTP I was seriously considering the cheaper alternative of Primeweld, primarily because it has been recognized by Jody the Weldmonger and he carries it on his site. So it occurred to me that would make an interesting comparison of cheap alternative vs mid range to expensive. I realize that HTP has been compared with Miller and some other top brands and fairs well. Love your content and watch all I can when time allows.
Do you lose any features with the all in one vs having the invertig and pro pulse separate?
Great question! You gain more than you lose, in my opinion. On the MIG side, there are a couple synergic programs that the Pro Pulse has which aren’t on the Revolution, but they are specialized ones that I’d never use. On the Revolution, you gain full adjustment of double pulse, I think the programs run slightly better and the material thickness for synergic settings is more consistent with my preference. On the TIG side, the Invertig 221 has asymmetric waveforms, 4T and spot modes. The Revolution has 250 amps output, square and triangle waves, but no asymmetric adjustment and only 2T mode. There is a new Invertig 251 coming out on Monday that has every bell and whistle you could imagine which goes way beyond the all in one or Invertig 221. I’ll have a video about that machine on my channel on Monday. Across the board, the dedicated machines have stored programs and the all in one doesn’t. If you have other questions about them, feel free to shoot me an email at the address in my about page and I’ll help you out.
Gas shielded flux core sounds redundant? I’m new to welding. Is that the easiest type? Maybe I should start with that.
Gas shielded flux core, often called by its trade name 'Dual Shield' is a pretty easy process, but I wouldn't start with it. The gas does the shielding and the flux provides other advantages. It really has the most application in heavy industry, though. If you have a MIG with gas available, I'd just start with solid wire and 72Argon/25CO2 or straight CO2 gas.
what about duty cycle ?!
and also is it run 50/60H cuz i us it out of usa
is it run siliconbronze mig and CuAl9fe mig wire auto sitting
hope you explane that
thanks advans
Yes. 50 and 50 hz. All the programs you asked about. Well maybe not cusi3 not sure
For any hobbyist, would this be recommended for car bodywork? MIG and TIG application.
If you want to just buy one setup that will take care of everything, it would be an awesome unit for that type of work and is well supported. It's not a small investment, so definitely do your homework and pick what's right for you, but I definitely don't think you'd regret this one.
It’s great for that and most other applications
Were can I get this machine?
They sell direct. Here is the link: usaweld.com/products/revolution-2501?ref=timwelds
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any suggestions on a tig torch for a person who cannot use a foot pedal for this machine thanks
Look into a product called the button …. An awesome product ! It’s a pressure sensitive button …. Google it you’ll find it about 250-300 dollar
Or if you are mainly after tig welding , the new htp invertig 251 has a “dynamic power” function where you can weld without a foot pedal and just vary the distance the torch has to the metal and it will adjust amperage automatically
Will it run off a generator? Thanks great video
Yes 7500 watt continuous or running watts
What lens are you using for your camera?
It's just the cheap kit lens that came with a Canon RP. I think it's a 24-105 F4-7.1, which is fine because I stop the aperture down anyway. I just use an ND filter on it, but it's really just an exercise in camera settings and getting an effective exposure setting for each situation.
@@TimWelds awesome. The arc shots look nice so I was curious if you used a shaded lens or camera settings. Thanks for the info. I dig the content as well
EWM and Bohler have multi process with pulse mig as do many others , its not a '' unique '' feature on this machine ,,, if you are going to make bold statements best your accurate with the facts.
did you buy the machine your reviewing with your own money ?
Does your razor actually take box cutter blades ?? Facts as above , if your going to say it welds razor blades then dont use utility knife blades , Im normally a fan of your videos but your wandering here ,,, nice that they supply CK accessories though.
Has it got dual gas inputs too , and has it got high freq start on tig , all in all a handy looking machine though. And with the fan always on , you know its working when you plug it in , rather than finding out its not when your half way through a job and the machine goes into thermal protection.
Ignorant comment. When did he say “no one else offers pulse mig except these HTP machines” ?? And send us all a link to your review of the EWM and Bohler machines. So we can see how well they compare! Betting that doesn’t happen!
@@rentedmule1287 0:26 ,,,, completely unique ,, as proven it really isnt ,,,
now youve been gobby enough to bump your gums Ill be expecting you to be man enough to apologize ... nuf said .
as for posting a link google is your friend ,
and probably your only friend .
Thanks, as a hobbyist i found this to be very informative; now the ugly part, how much is that going to cost?
$3800 on their site.
I hear you. There are definitely definitely cheaper options, but I think the price is reasonable considering the capability, quality and support.
Hi Tim! Great videos - I really appreciate the time you put into all your videos. As a welding student, I've been looking for a way to film my welding process and I noticed a 2 things at czcams.com/video/P1hK_Vde6_0/video.html .... Did you make that "tripod" stand? Or maybe the "weight" that the stand is in? That is very neat - I'm curious what it is actually - the weight and the stand. Also, it looks like you have something holding a welding lens against the camera lens. I've been thinking how I might be able to do that but I've not seen anything in stores that facilitates that sorta thing - so I'm curious what you're doing because your weld passes are nicely visible!
Filming welding, at least with a standard camera, is more about the exposure settings than anything else, but I have come across a few things that make it easier. The stand is actually an arm with a magnetic base for gauges used in machining that I modified to hold a camera. Here's a link to the arm: amzn.to/3R7s2u7
Depending on the weight of the camera, I have some similar arms made by SmallRig that are cheaper and still work well or you can use a GorillaPod, which I do sometimes too.
What you see on the end of the camera lens is just an ND filter. You can actually do it without or get any kind of cheap screw on ND filter, but the square ones are easy to remove and have a second slot that I cut welding helmet lens covers to go in to protect the filter. Here's a link to the filter that I use: amzn.to/3sHtV7u
Thank you!
$4k! One can buy an AC/DC tig, mig, and plasma cutter for almost half the price.
What kinda junk are you buying?
A Miller 220 multimatic is a lesser machine for $4200 before taxes. ESAB, Lincoln and Fornius are comparable in price to the HTP and Miller. So while I would agree with a statement of them ALL being over priced, I would also say the HTP is competitively priced and offers more than the rest, a big part of that being reliability which most of us caring more about than anything else! No one wants to buy unreliable junk. But you can get a Everlast 275 with shitter build quality for $2500 but they are a pig in a poke. Been there done that.
Copy italian welding machine name stel welding
It’s made by STEL, in fact, STEL now owns HTP. They’re outstanding machines.
@@TimWelds ok in fact it seemed too similar to me, yes stel is an excellent Italian company
No, actually I designed it and originally it was for the american market only, then they decided to sell it in Europe too …
Better off with a miller multiprocess…
How so ? Or which one ? The multimatic 200acdc? With 220 amps with 10% duty cycle rather than 250 amp 25% duty cycle ? Or is it the 20 amp starting amps on the miller than is better than the 5 amp on this machine ? Maybe its the lack of ac waveforms on the miller that makes it better because its less complicated that way….
Or maybe the lack of arc voltage or pulse functions on the mig side ? Or is it that that the miller is assembled with pride in appleton,wi with mainly chinese parts?
Or maybe you were looking at a totally different model 🤷♂️
Far from it! It beats my current Miller 220 by far in several ways. Also My brother has a mullet 255 💩 and best friend has a miller 235 on running gear💩. So if you want some detail on why those two models are crap I can go into further detail. So please do tell us all why and tell us about your comparisons of the 2 machines, and whats better about the Miller?