Bridgerton Season 3 (Part 1) Is Here And I Have Some Thoughts…
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
- Bridgerton is back and I can’t help but give my thoughts on the latest season. I talk a lot about animation but period romances do take a special place in my heart, and I could hide it no longer! In all seriousness, Bridgerton is awesome and I have been eagerly awaiting this season only to be throughly disappointed that we have to wait almost a month to actually finish it! What is the madness. So here I am, taking up some of that time talking to you about this latest edition and what I think of it all. Enjoy.
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Also it’s not just friends to lovers, it’s CHILDHOOD friends to lovers. They should have included at least the flashback of how they first met and how a young Penelope fell for an oblivious young Colin. Instead they mentioned it while eating sweets together like that would satiate us… They really missed an opportunity to show us, not tell us, just how deep their friendship is and why it may be hard for Colin in particular to take the next step
Especially after doing flashbacks in both Daphnes + Anthony's seasons, it seems very odd to not include key memories like that between Colin + Penelope
Yes! I think s1 and s2 got that part right with the flashbacks. Cause we’ve been told Colin and Penelope are friends but we haven’t really seen that? They sure are friendly but it would have been so good to see them through the years and how that friendship has changed because of societal norms
Right! Maybe even show that Colin had a thing for her but was too dense to realize it himself. Would have made the carriage scene and the proposal feel less rushed and out of jalousie, and more like something a long time in the making.
I personally liked it better that we didn't have a flashback. What would that have added? We already know about Penelopes feelings. We already know these memories are precious to her. But when Colin was talking about it, you could see that he also treasured those memories. That was way better than any flashback.
I think i saw a cast of young Colin and Penelope as children so we might see them
I personally attribute the weakness of Colin's change of heart storyline to bad writing. Based on what I heard going into this season, I thought this would be a friends to lovers story, with and extended pygmalion riff where Colin would realize his feeling for Pen as he helped her become a more confident and poised lady of society. Annoyingly, this dynamic was completely stopped after and episode and a half when gossips started talking about them. Because of this writing choice, there's no reason for Colin and Pen to spend time one on one and for him to grow into seeing her in a new romantic way gradually over time. Instead, Pen asks for a kiss, and that somehow magically makes him realize he loved her all along. The best acting in the world couldn't make this character arc work, because it's inherently weak and nonsensical.
They tried to follow the book where Colin's feelings also emerge after Penelope asks for a kiss, but the problem is that the situation is different. In the book there is a +-10 years time skip where Penelope is a resigned spinster. She is now comfortable with her life and therefore more confident. Colin comes back after another travel and realises that about her. That leads to several moments of him actually realising how much he appreciates her company and a conversation in which he mentions how someone could spread rumors about them for being alone even if nothing happened. That leads to the kiss that completely shock Colin.
I think part 1 failed at showing Colin's change towards Pen as he realises his feelings, and flashing out their friendship before getting to the romance. I really wish they had more scenes together actually talking and just being friends (they had that in previous seasons, but I feel like we should've had more this season too). Plus it was advertised that Pen would be more confident, however as of now that change was mostly exterior.
@@evelina2619 Having not read the books myself, that's really interesting context! Obviously a ten year time jump would be difficult to recreate in a tv format, but speeding up the relationship has felt unsatisfying
No, they hinted at his feelings even before the kiss. You first see him jealous when she tells him that Lord Remington is going to call on her at the party, just before everyone finds out about him helping her. The kiss just made him realise how deeply he felt about her.
@@colinneagle4495 I don't think it necessarily 'sped' up so to speak. They have already hinted this in the first two seasons
@@riotoews7853 But all that development lapses with his sudden personality change and rakish activities -- which is not a bad choice for extra drama. Colin just needed more time to make up for it. But with less Polin scenes, we never got to it. He did have so many hints already in the previous seasons which is why it's such a wasted progress.
10 eps would’ve been better with the expanded cast.
That requires more work
Any Jenevia did a video recently where she interviewed someone in the industry and they highlighted not just the direct financial cost of having an extended cast in the scenes but also the time for filming (every additional person per scene adds time exponentially as they have to get multiple shots for all of those people for the duration of the scene) and prepping (costume, make up, set dressing inc. redressing, etc). While it might be nice as an audience to have more people committing to that consistently throughout would break the logistics of producing the show.
@@carpevinum8645 While I understand that, GENERAL HOSPITAL has a huge cast and has made it work for 60+ years. I just think they could’ve used more episodes.
@melissaisloud7404 I agree that more episodes would be beneficial (for many shows). But, having an expectation of extended main casts in scenes makes that less likely to occur for not just budgetary but other logistical issues.
General Hospital is a soap, and while it contains similar themes, it has a totally different workflow and requirement in terms of costuming, set design, etc.
@@carpevinum8645 I can't help but think that they actually had an opportunity to put more Colin and Pen scenes considering some episodes in the last seasons had extra 10 minutes despite the subplots while all under 8 episodes too. It's either they truly had logistical problems in production this time along with budget cuts or they prioritized the preparation of the LW mystery chase instead (The Mondrich and Cressida scenes for Part 1 so far).
Hypothetically, if there would be more Polin scenes, let's say their lessons are extended: That would be 2 actors with an estimated 3-5 different costumes + when you include the results of those lessons where Pen successfully talks to more bachelors, so that's more actors besides the ones who played Lord Basilio and Lord Remington. That would also mean having different set of events/balls = more places to shoot.
Yet, they did this already in the previous seasons right? Especially S1. So why hold back now?
If they really mentioned having sort of budget cuts in the Bridgerton production, (Which the producer from LadyJenevia's interview can't exactly answer since I assume he's not part of the production itself and haven't watched the series either?), then I don't think they could have done anything more imo and that's really a wasted potential for Polin to truly blossom properly.
A well-paced friends to lovers trope is not doable under 4 episodes with the given time of 50 minutes each only. Yes, the two has been developing ever since, but it's different now that they have the main spotlight season where there's more opportunity for development.
Collin is a writer, he could have narrated his internal dialogue. The clutter of the multiple stories removed tension between Colin and Pen, because they simply weren't really as relevant as other categories and we lacked context for how Colin was feeling. It's unfortunate the show decided to go this route, thus far. I'm hopeful, however, that their subplot will be a reoccurring theme in various other seasons.
Ohh that is an interesting thought. Colin writing his intimate thoughts.
Absolutely! They could have used his journal for that instead of just using it in that one scene.
I love that idea. The way it was shown focuses a lot more on Pen then Colin even thought he’s the Bridgeton the show is focusing on, it was more about Pen finding love then Colin realizing he loves her. They show many times why they work so well how much he enjoys her company how he seeks her out but it would have been nice to see maybe his writing where instead of writing about his life he realizes he writes a lot about Penelope recently and that maybe he’d been doing that for a while without realizing it.
that's such an interesting idea!! His narration of his journal at certain points in an episode would parallel the narration of the Whistledown pamphlets that Pen writes, and highlight further the importance of writing to them both. Thus, their friendship shown further, and not just told. However, there is the contrast and nuance that his narration is his own voice, whereas Pen's is an alter ego!
This comment is hype. I wanna see where this story ends 😭
I liked that they snuck in the “ABCDE FU” song in there. Having a cuss hidden in a fancy old timey song with violins is just so hilarious to me 😂
Having Pen walk out when the line "You can all fuck off" would have been sung was *chefs kiss.*
The issue with the multiple storylines is because Polin was not done enough justice. We all know and are expecting Polin and you are right--Penelope is doing what she needs to do in the story. Colin is just... there is a lot to be desired. And that's why we hate that there are so many storylines because it feels like the writers need to dedicate more time to serve his part of the story. So frustrating.
Penelope deserves SO much better.
I'm reminded of Sanditon where there were 7 or 8 relationships, not all romantic, that had to be resolved in the final episode, so the central romance got short shrift.
This!
Can we all agree that old what's his face (Lord Debling) is YUM-MY! Like, Colin had this whole dramatically shot reveal for his new look and I gasped but when Lord D. calmly walked into frame my heart STOPPED. All these other suitors are boys. Lord D. is a MAN!
And his character was wasted. It could have been more of a conflict for Pen with feelings for both of them, making her actually have agency and a real choice, instead of ending up rescued
@@kikidevine694I have a theory that Lord Debling will find a bride this season: Cressida - who is holding a candle for Eloise, and will be thrilled to stay loyal to a man who is never home and only troubles her for the business of making heirs. That 1) explains Cressida’s desperation to marry, 2) her parents’ ultimatum and dislike of Eloise, 3) the pointed “it’s Calling Hour”, and 3) adds a very interesting subplot for Eloise’s book especially if 4) Lady Whistledown finds out by finding the two of them in flagrante delico but chooses to keep the secret as Cressida kept hers (and Eloise didn’t, thereby evening the score between them)
But I’m here chewing tinfoil for glitter so 🎉
I knew it wasn’t the plot but I wanted her to pick him. Colins love felt too flimsy to root for.
@@cloverazar5315Yes Cressida and Eloises friendship was giving me vibes…maybe more on Cressidas side than Eloise but maybe that will shift…it would be interesting for them to go there.
Agreed. He's the first and only character who actually behaves like an adult, even a Regency-era adult.
Even though I disliked the "what's his face" 😅 character, I think the plotline of him explaining to her that he will probably never love her makes sense and brings some realism to the picture. Pen was always a romantic, but like most women in those times, the propect of never getting married is way more scary and humiliating than never finding love, hence the sacrifice she would need to make for the sake of feeling as part of society and finally being able to feel like a normal person devoid of scrutiny. The plotline, in my oppinion, brings some realistic tension to the choice between love or duty that many women had to face in the past
And remebering how colins scene with marina reflect his with pen and its SO different.
I agree. And I appreciate that her character was able to make this decision-she had not only another romantic option but one that was a great catch! A very wealthy, kind Lord who actually Wanted her to have her own interests and pursuits. When he confronted her about her feelings she had a choice in that moment to gamble on love with Debling or love with someone else (Colin or anyone else really). And because Debling had said he wasn’t sure he could love any woman, I don’t blame her for not stepping up to fight for that. He made it clear that the odds were low. But as I said I mostly love that it hasn’t boiled down to “Colin is my only option and he only loves me because he knows me so well” but instead when she started feeling good about herself she attracted another nice guy.
Colin‘s character arc INFURIATED ME. So much wasted potential, such weak choices. 😭 8:22 I agree with all of this ❤
From the moment I heard that they were going to turn Colin into a rake I knew that they ruined him. And ruined the entire story for me. They should’ve just copied and paste the fanfic because they did it better.
The previous show runner said that Colin was the sensitive one because he was raised amongst his sisters 👯♀️ playing dolls 🎀and the age gap between him and his two older brothers. Makes him less likely to be a womanizer like his older brothers. so in season 1 and 2 they were setting Colin up to be a romantic demisexual. Hence why he wouldn’t kiss Marina.
Because Penelope and Colin are sentimental writers who document every monumental event in their life’s.
We as the romantic fan base were expecting The friends to lover❤️Trope. To be more intimate. A story where Colin and Penelope have their first awakening together. I was hoping that the show would give me an improved version of Odysseus. as Colin. I didn’t like Greek myth Odysseus. I didn’t think he deserved Penelope.
I wanted virgin demisexual Colins so bad and I was so pissed when I heard that we weren’t getting him for the TV show.
I thought he would be our first demisexual representation, but NO we got another rake. (very original). It’s not like we got that with the past two Male leads, and we’re also getting that with the future male leads.
So I guess they just intend to keep telling the same story over and over.
The new showrunner (Jess) had all the groundwork to tell a different kind of intimate. Sexual story. With different characters that are different people and it being just as compelling as the sexually liberated and experienced male leads.
I had no problem with him being a Showboat, who is charming with a false public image. Him being a virgin erotic writer. Would show that Colin has dichotomy and layers to him like Penelope who is whistledown and people think she’s more mature or older than she is.
I specifically only wanted him to be a whore for Penelope. Only Rabbid for Penelope. I wanted her to be his first kiss and first time, especially since we were getting a secondhand proposal. now she gets no first and everything is secondhanded and a hand me down.
I guess the new show writer ✍🏻 is sticking with the season 1 and 2 formula thinking that this type of man increases sex appeal but NO! All it did was gross 🤮 me out. The TV 📺 version of Colin. Especially since I know how good it could have been. The story that actually Polin Stan’s write ✍🏻 did a far superior job.
It would’ve been just as spicy 🥵 repressed newly discovering virgins. There is such a thing as horny virgins. The excited exploration. The cute hilarious awkwardness. The wonder of a whole New World unlocked Wasted potential.
The fanfic did it better.
Colin being a virgin doesn’t automatically make him an idiot. Or simple. Sex isn’t rocket science you don’t need experienced and know how to do it. It’s not some complicated equation and for two people who are best friends could feel safe and trust each-other enough to figure it out, and that would’ve been compelling.
if the two teens in blue Lagoon could figure it out on the deserted island. 🏝️ there’s no reason why Colin and Penelope can’t figure it out especially since Colin has the knowledge of the logistics of how it works. The friends to lover audience. Are deeply romantic we don’t want frivolous fucking. This was supposed to be our season.
First awakenings are extremely sexy. And there’s so much more special.
We were robbed of something beautiful
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
The disgusting mentality of a Rake an insecure man who uses women and their bodies as less so they can feel like more. Throwing money at systematically oppressed women for cheap thrills, isn’t sexy it’s not romantic. Only for his soulmate to change him. They didn’t have to make him a Rake to tell the same story of insecurity.
I suppose the only admirable thing he did was not talk about sex workers like they were moldy pieces of bread 🍞 to be thrown away. He at least respected their dignity somewhat. But his character still ruining for me. And I suppose that fact means he a reformable rake. But why does reformed mean you learn to not use other people for your own feelings of inadequacy?
I honestly won’t ever forgive the writers for ruining the character and the story, for me
The worst part is Lord Debling by comparison, a truly secure man 🧍♂️ who stands for his own conviction. Who is truly his own unapology self no matter. How society snares at him. And think him odd. He is who he wants to be. You can actually respect him. And admire him. For a man who stands on his own conviction. That’s truly a man.
Colin comes back does the same whoring about the entire time he is teaching Penelope lessons (for weeks apparently) and then kisses her because he feels sorry for her. Ugh that is so gross to me.
Then because he is supposedly so despondent over Pen having a suitor, he goes back to fuck some sex workers again.
He only gets up enough courage to tell Penelope how he feels once he knows she is getting proposed to. Like he couldn’t call on her, not even once, or bribe her maid again, to see her and explain how he feels. Instead it’s poor me me me me….
I keep asking myself why I should want ShondaColin with Penelope.
She deserves sooo much better than him.
Ugh… 😣
Fan fiction literally did it better with the whole playing a part with his mask. All they had to do was reflect on why he subconsciously felt the need to be accepted by the “gentleman” in the season 2 finale and then the charming, happy face he presents to his own family. They could have kept the Disney message of “be yourself” and “tell her the truth” without wrecking his character to be a rake and impacting on the emotional connection and romance with Pen. It was so corny to see every single character fawning over Colin when the world doesn’t operate like that - I couldn’t help but think of the Dressmaker scene where the mother yells run at the movie showing romance as it was major the eek factor.
@@sarickacampbell2642 it was nice to watch but as a romantic myself, I would have written this part differently, I expected more connection, passion, self-discovery, fight for love, more expression of love and feelings, make the characters worthy of each other.
I didn't like Colin's portrayal as going to prostitutes and having threesomes, nor the 'steamy' carriage sequence and I felt everything else rushed too..My focus went on Francesa and her young love for the new Earl, rather than focusing on Penelope and Colin. I thought of Colin and Penelope as pure young people, saving themselves for love and marriage, different from the rest of the couples within the old times society, they cherished their friendship, trusted and respected each other. changing a character's personality, considering that Colin's one was very well established, it made him look like a totally different person. give this couple their personality and dignity back.
I prefer to see their love gradually developing, discovering the feelings they have for each other, especially his feelings for her and what she means to him and what they have in common, rather than pushing quickly with intimate sexual moments. Sadly, the script didn't make their bond and connection convincing and genuine. I prefer less sexual scenes between them and seeing more talk, more love, what do they expect from their future together, to see them chatting more before touching each other in a sexy desire way.
I wanted to understand what actually brought them closer, how he remembered their history together, how their friendship started, how it progressed, how he sees her after all these years, did he realise that she had feelings for him before? if yes, when? we didn't see that on the screen. he should have found out somehow that she loved him all these years, reason to love and adore her more, this is a reason for marriage. before he wants her physically, what does he actually feel for her? can we see Penelope through his eyes and what does she mean to him as a woman, what does he like about her personality? for these people true and honest untainted love was their life purpose, that's why pushing this couple so quickly into sexual scenes kills their chemistry and love story.
I actually think they lacked chemistry because of the script, although they look nice together on screen. I also think, given these 2 people, there was so much potential to articulate their love, I would have never thought that while Penelope was older and mature, she was still innocent, virgin and introvert and would not allow him to touch her so soon, make him wait, make him wait more, be worthy and desire her truly. Given his personality, I thought that he would not want to be inappropriate with her, not until their feelings are clear and they grow closer to discover each other. these were very good old friends and one expects that they would firstly discover who is the other person when they are not in a friendship relationship before moving on to the next step. firstly, he must deserve her and secondly, she must be convinced that Colin actually has fallen in love with her...can someone rectify their love story in the second part of season 3?
@@sarickacampbell2642I severely miss Chris. He KNEW how to write romantic stories. He was most definitely a romantic lover boy.💔😩. I hate when this happens to shows, when they change hands.
Our issue with the multiple storylines were it made the show cluttered.
A couple of them felt unnecessary and did not elevate the characters or prevented the cohesiveness with the main storylines.
I also feel cutting down a couple of them will develop Colin and Pen more so you can more of his internal monologue.
Honestly, Luke Newton’s (colin) was great in my opinion. He and Nichola (penelope) did well adding these subtle nuances and nods to the book characters. They love their characters and the source material and I felt their chemistry was fire.
But am hoping some of the storylines end so we can get more of the main couple and hope the LW drama is not too amped up so we can take a breather with the main characters as they resolve things.
the Mondrich story was so weird. I don't care. I wanted more pining from Colin.
I wouldn't say the other subplots are unnecessary. They are simply preparing for the unmasking of Lady Whistledown. All the Mondrich and Cressida scenes are all for character motivation of possibly wanting the 5k pounds reward from the Queen (S3 Part 2)
But then again, they had the opportunity to also add MORE Polin scenes despite all the subplots. S1 and 2 has done that perfectly. Notice that S3 Part 1 only had 50 minutes each episode while the previous seasons had a full hour episodes. I don't understand why they got lazy to slower the pacing.
I agree the Mondrich story was too long, they kind of repeated the same point over and over multiple times, they already established that they’ve been struggling to acclimate to the ton in the previous seasons so they didn’t have to do it again over and over this season. They might be in need of financial support which is why they increased their screen time but still a bit too much. I liked the increase in Cressida’s arc she’s much more understandable and it builds on Pens future conflict with her. And Francesca’s story wasn’t long and didn’t take away from the main romance while building on future books. I just felt pen and Colin’s time together wasn’t optimized, a lot of it was the same troupe done over and over again or long glances from a distance. Their greatest strength was their friends dynamic. I’m hoping with a lot of the set up done the second half will focus a lot more on them
@@mohsanaislam6322 i needed to see more time of Colin grappling and pining for Pen. He says in the carriage "weeks" when i thought it was only a couple of days. And I agree, Cressida Cowper's arc I loved. But again, only a very short scene of her father yelling at her for being friends with Eloise? Maybe a scene of that dad putting down her mom for not being a good mother and finding Cressida a match? Everything felt rushed except for the Mondrich arch.
I think you could look at Cressida and know her clothing is odd just by looking at other members of the ton.
It's doing too much
I'm not sure if Cressida could be described as a foil to Penelope, but her character certainly does hold up a mirror to Penelope's. They've both been out in society to for three years but not had any success with securing a match, and they both end up dressed in horrible fashion (from what we see of Cressida's mother, we can assume that like Penelope, Cressida is also being forced to wear such fashion atrocities by her mother). Where Cressida differs from Penelope is that, as we see this season, she uses her confidence and meanness to shield herself from the negative gossip (or at least keep it at bay a little longer, Lady Cowper points out to Cressida that people will begin to talk if she doesn't marry this season). It may also be that Cressida's family is not looked down on in the same way that the Featheringtons are, which also allows Cressida a little bit more leeway from societal scorn that Penelope isn't afforded. But I do think the parallels between Cressida and Penelope are interesting.
@@emilyprice178 I would agree with this, especially with Eloise's current estrangement from one and new relationship with the other.
thats the point
@@emilyprice178 the cowpers did not attempt to slyly marry off a pregnant girl to a clueless boy. The featherington's were ostracized by Penelope's own vengeful actions, not knowing that the gossip has an effect on not only the girl she mean girl'd but herself. Remember Penelope is still raised like other girls of the ton who were totally clueless as to how one could be pregnant without being married. A lot of what she does is petty jealousy, depression mixed with naivete that has unintended reactions.
Regarding the costumes, I feel that your impressions are all deliberate: Colin does look out of place because he is struggling with his identity a bit and became the 'I just got back from ___' guy with not much else going on. Cressida's increasingly garish looks match her growing despair over aging out of the marriage market and into a loveless, arranged marriage.
The Featheringtons properly carry this season with delightful surprise.
I think you *may* have missed that Debling was initially searching for a marriage of practicality as was Pen, who was dropping the idea of marrying for love (since Colin said smth absolutely ruthless about her in the previous season) in order to get out from under her family. However, repairing her friendship with Colin plus the new perspective he was forced to have of her allowed the feelings to resurface and she began to hope for love at some point again. Debling made it clear that wasn't smth he could promise, hence why he hoped for a wife who already had fulfilling hobbies and did well on her own.
I don't understand the complaints about other characters receiving screentime, the rest of the cast help tie the world together.
And so far, I'm enjoying the show more than I think I would the books, as the books apparently took Colin TEN YEARS to get a move on with Pen.
I do agree though, the rando threesomes are a tiresome waste of film that would have been better utilized elsewhere unless it's just to be a constant reminder of how vast the double standards are between the men and women of the ton. Alas, I don't sense this is an issue the show intends to address this season, so I'm doubtful of that being the narrative intent.
Cressida's clothes may have have a "deeper meaning" but that doesn't negate the fact that she was garish and comical and looked absolutely out of place and time, which ruins immersion.
@@jeccalou9894 idk, the queen literally had a diorama in her wig (and I love her for it), and the Featheringtons' have looked a bit clownish or caricature childish compared to the rest of the cast, the latter being resolved with Pen taking charge of her own wardrobe. I'm kinda giving Cressida the pass here as she's a notable character so she'll get the right to look absurd, since she doesn't get to dominate the screen the way the Bridgerton fam and their love interests do.
Featheringtons unironically carried all 3 seasons for me (I said what I said)
You get it. It’s like people don’t take notice of these things
@@jeccalou9894 this show is billed as a fantasy. They use modern music, they are constantly talking about modern ideas, and they are living in a society that is a colorblind utopia. A dress is what ruins your immersion? Nobody ever claimed this show was historically accurate in any way and they are not even trying to be. I think her wardrobe is hilarious and perfectly illustrates the characters increasing desperation to find a match as her clothes (and hair) get more and more intricate and ridiculous
Maybe I'm in the minority here. I completely disagree that previous leads need to have more screen time than the current leads. The old leads have served their purpose. This isn't a Sci-Fi or Fantasy show where all the characters will end up together to defeat the final boss.
Bridgerton is first and foremost a Series of Romance Novels. There are 8 books and each book focuses on a Bridgerton and their partner. From time to time an old lead shows up to say hi or give the occasional advice or help the plot move along. Sure I love the occasional update on the previous leads but I want most on the focus on the current leads. The focus should always be on that lead Bridgerton from the current book.
There are too many side characters IMO. But I think some of them make sense. I'm still holding out full judgement until part 2 comes out.
I feel the issue is that we don’t see the family interacting together the way we did in previous seasons. Season 1 the family interactions were memorable (have you ever visited a farm) and then bringing Daphne back in season 2 for the Pall Mall scenes and the conversations on love with Anthony to help drive the story and family dynamic. This season the family just isn’t interacting in the same way and when we see Benedict it’s repeating the same rakish behaviour, Francesca is with her mother for the marriage market or Eloise is with Cressida. Without the family being together - and a huge part of that would be Anthony as family head but not necessarily Daphne anymore - then it just loses its heart. The focus can still be the new lead but we need something to bring Bridgerton’s together for the show. It seems so shocking that we see the Featheringtons engage together in S3 more than the Bridgertons (why not both). Could have been so simple for Colin’s mask to be reflecting on season 2’s ending with one of his brothers but also how he does this around his family always needing to be charming (nothing stopping Francesca from calling it out given her new experiences) and through his writings reflections instead of making him a rake in England with separate scenes again.
@@Amber86queenbee While I understand your point, and I agree, I wish there was more interactions. I think what is happening is what usually happens when someone in the family gets married. It's normal to feel like the interactions become less especially when family members start their own families or someone moves far away. It's very noticeable when the family is big. Maybe I just think it's normal since I've read all the books. I kept reading since I enjoyed the tiny tidbits of hearing what happened to the previous characters from time to time. Kind of like hearing from or hearing about a relative, kind of thing. But most of the characters, you really won't see them as much once their love story concludes.
There is a noticeable "off" vibe especially compared to when the books started vs. how it was towards Gregory's book. I'm suspecting that Anthony would be the one you would see more often than not bc he's the head of the family. Everyone else will kind of weave in and out. It's been mentioned in the first episode of S3 that Violet will be moving out of the Bridgerton house to make way for the new Viscountess and Violet and the unmarried kids will move to a new one. So maybe less of Anthony? We're actually kind of lucky that Benedict and Colin still live at home unmarried since those 2 have their own bachelor accomodations in the books. Even less interactions with the Bridgerton family. I think with the Featheringtons, that one was a delightful addition this season. I would be pleasantly surprised if I still see more of them next season though.
Since each of the actors get huge breaks once their love story becomes the focus of the season, I'm not holding out since they have a lot of opportunities. I would love to see Simon and Daphne again. I just hate that not all of them are available at the same time.
@@Dutch_chess I completely agree with you and understand that it is a reality of both the actors being in demand but also how in real life family dynamics start to change. The books were focused on the respective leads to centre their focus as a romance novel but I just can’t help but miss the vibe of the earlier seasons on the show. I had hoped that given B, E, F, G and H were all still in the family home that we would have their respective stories thread together more for cohesion and to make the family unit the heart of the show still with the characters still involved. We have been lucky to date to even have the family still living with Anthony - and lucky that Johnny and Simone still want to be involved even with their careers taking off. I personally love how the Featheringtons are shown together and find their storyline’s hilarious but also crucial to Lady Whistledown’s development. I would have just loved to have seen the same impact behind Colin’s story as the self reflection (now with Violet instead of Daphne) was so brief. But it is only the half way point so there may still be time to see it thread together.
also note that horse pulled carriages couldn't trek the distance between the duke's manor and viscount's home in a single hour. and texting between siblings wasn't a thing in the regency era. You couldn't insta message viscout or duchess our countess whatever to mope and cry to. You sent letters and a week or 2 later, get a response back...sometimes less or more depending on distance.
Queen Victoria loved her children and hated giving them up to marriages. she couldn't just drop in and say hi. It was mostly a bunch of letters and hopefully a visit or two. It's also why countryside nobles could be considered a whole different breed of nobility and often too far for many clingy mothers and fathers who didn't want their daughter to go so far.
The focus on the main characters and the previous mains pushed away with a cameo or two is perfectly understandable and I personally enjoy it. I don't need data dumping on characters who won't even make a focal point for a few seasons. Though arguably the Viscount Anthony probably should be involved rather heavily with all his siblings' marriages. he has the purse afterall.
I agree. Not everything has to be Game of Thrones or try emulate it. We don' need more subplots or breaks from focusing on Polin. What people wanted were more interactions with the family members and I would have loved to see that too but we don't need a hundred subplots in order to achieve that. I think the problem with this season were not only the number but that the subplots were completely divorced from the main plot to the point of feeling like Family Guy cut-away gags. Any subplots we had should tie back in with and progress or at least affect Polin in some way.
That's why s1 and s2 succeeded. Eloise's story tied back in with Daphne and how Daphne felt pressure to set the way for her season, which affected the way Daphne acted. Colin's falling for the poor girl was a scandal and a direct threat to Daphne being able to find a husband. Anthony was similar with his love-averse views thwarting Daphne and throwing her into problems. Simon's backstory and his relationship with lady Danbury were directly responsible for them meeting and progressing their love story. Even Pen being ignored by her family and turning to writing directly affects Daphne and her life through Lady Whistldown's articles. Polin deserved the same level of focus Daphne and the duke got as the leads of the show.
I liked the blonde man much more than I liked Colin. Throughout the whole season I kept asking myself "should we like Colin? should i even care?". I was really shipping the couple in the second season, but this new storyline left me feeling completely dull.
exactly. I found myself rooting for the blonde man rather than Colin. Which shouldn’t be the case.
@@reix7494 100%. Colin came off as unlikable, not sorry for his actions, and immature, not to mention they've got him to shave his beard and have made him look orange. You then compare that to Debling who is a gentlemen who knows exactly what he wants and what he can provide. And I'm meant to choose the prostitute-user???
I literally said out that I am more emotionally invested in the blonde guy in four episodes than I have cared about Colin in three seasons.
I love Lord Debling but let be serious he's not right for Pen
@@mishynaofficiali like lord debling too but people forget he’s away traveling for months on end ?? She’d be so miserable
Yes, there will be more angst and pining but they would already be official lovers as everything else unfolds. The carriage scene happened that past the point of no return. So the excitement of the friendship blossoming to something more is gone. They didn't even try to bread crumb us in to anticipating a confession, a steamy scene, and a proposal. They gave us the entire loaf of bread in one scene.
What most of us just wanted before the big moments was Colin's extra pining and groveling. Just a little bit more of it!!
I don't want to get my hopes up for Part 2 since I strongly feel like they will be tunneling straight on the chase for Lady Whistledown that will eat all the Polin scenes.
But just to feed my absolute delusion, maybe the writers deliberately made Colin's character be impulsive to marry (since this also happened to him with Marina), then eventually gets to FINALLY step back and have a long process once he finds out Penelope is LW. In that way, we have more knowledge about his character this time. But then again, things don't always go our way.
I hated the Mondrich storyline. It felt like an utter waste of time. I don’t mind the actors or characters but why do I care? Who are they even connected to?
I think the writers or show runners or whoever have been reluctant to get rid of characters that no longer serve a purpose to the story and it shows. After S1, there was no longer a need for the Mondriches. They were background characters in Simon’s life and should have left when he did. And much as I love them and find them hilarious, the remaining Featheringtons other than Penelope have not been needed since S1 either. There should have just been occasional short expository scenes showing they were being cared for by the new Lord Featherington and then got married. No ruby nonsense, none of this pregnancy race. And I really don’t think Francesca should have made her debut this season. There’s a reason each book focuses on only one child and her having an entire storyline of her own really pulls focus from Penelope and Colin. It’s not Game of Thrones - the episodes are much shorter and just seem rushed and unfocused when there’s this much going on.
I agree and disagree, mainly on the Featherington's & Francesca. I agree there too much going on and it feels like Colin and Penelope are missing more moments to shine, and the show could be longer and even through I like the Modriches I don't see the point o giving them such a big arc when they were just a step above background characters before. But here's where I disagree, and this is mostly due to speculation on future seasons. The whole Featherington arc I see as Portia starting a redemption arc in season that covers Bendict's book, there I believe she'll fill Violet's role involving the character of Posy. As for Francesca well I can't get into that unless you've read her book, but I think it was the right move but sadly theirs just too much else going on like Violet and Bendict finding short term love interest, Its like the show runners are afraid if they don't show people hooking up every episode viewership will tank, hence the Coiln threeway.
You can't get into Francesca's book/season without what we're seeing now so it had to be somewhere
Sorry, but the Featheringtons carry this show. Without them, it’s extremely boring. They could actually have their own season and be better than season 3. Colin and Pen just aren’t interesting and that’s just the hard truth.
I agree with you I don’t know why people are obsessed with the featherington’s. Penelope also needs a redemption arc people love LW but she’s ruined lives it’s not like the book and she keeps making excuses to save her own ass. Why would Colin marry the woman that dragged eloise to save herself, called Kate a beast, marina arc was unnecessary she could have gone to eloise or Anthony but out of jealousy and hate she didn’t want to take any chances on marina and Colin getting together. It’s creepy how possessive she is. She also called Daphne unmarriagable which is bad in regency times.
The mondriches, I agree with. I think they should've been dropped or their arc should've been a part of benedict's story. That would make for a compelling storyline about social hierarchy. Featheringtons, I don't agree with. They're a good comical relief and they're penelope's family. This might be the season focusing solely on her, but as Whistledown, she's going to be one of the main characters in all seasons. So I think her family being shown alongside the Bridgertons is a good thing. They've been the leading families since season 1 ep 1. Francesca's storyline, I agree with. I think her debut should've come in the season preceding her own. I don't think the next season will be francesca's. So she'll end up being a supporting character for 2-3 whole seasons, which is weird.
One of the more interesting things is getting a new couple every year with the other dropping into the background.
Actually a little bit crazy for this season too, given that the couple disappearing are the heads of the Bridgerton household in the show CALLED Bridgerton
@@raidahblossom Yes, I hope they'll be back.
@@raidahblossom Makes sense, they're extending the honeymoon and the mom still lives there. Perfect excuse tbh
@@raidahblossom the actour for anthoy filmed for wicked
@@pascalfernandes6957 No yeah I know, it’s a shame there were schedule conflicts given narrative cohesion just doesn’t work out because of it, but I will be excited to see Jonny as Prince Fiyero!
I don’t have a problem with side plots I’m Bridgerton, I like them. But I do have a problem with side plots that take time away from the development of the main couple, while having little to nothing to do with it. They should have either cut some or made it ten episodes instead of eight. And I keep seeing people say some of the critiques might be fixed in the second part; however my main criticism is I didn’t buy that Colin wanted to marry Penelope. Yeah, we saw a little pining, but that entire arc was super underdeveloped and since he’s already proposed it’s not like that can go back and fix that issue now.
Can't agree with you about wanting to invest in a huge cast of characters at the expense of focusing on the romantic pairing of the season. Bridgerton books are not Game of Thrones. They were not written to include an ongoing cast of hundreds. Each book focuses on the romance of one of the Bridgerton children, and that's what the series should do. Sure, maybe the prior season's couple shows up as happy newlyweds or if they play a role in the new season's story, but I don't want to watch Daphne and Simon bicker about wallpaper samples. And I certainly don't want to waste screen time on characters who were never even in the books at all or had minor parts (hello Mondrich family and Cressida-Just-Visiting-From-Outerspace-Cowper!) The reason that we didn't get to see Colin's feelings for Penelope change from indifference and friendship to love and longing? Because Colin Bridgerton wasn't on screen long enough for us to see anything! If TPTB insist on scrimping and only giving us 8 episode seasons, then they need to get rid of the five gazillion subplots and focus on the couple at hand and those who directly impact their story.
I found myself fast forwarding everything that didn’t have to do with Penelope and Colin, or Francesca. None of the other storylines are of interest to me. As a long time romance reader, they absolutely should be investing more time into the love story of the main pair of that season/book.
My thoughts exactly!
Well said
@@IsThisThePrizeIveWaitedFor Agree with everything. Francesca's storyline surprised me tbh. I don't think she should've debuted this season but sadly, Francesca and John ended up giving me more feels than Penelope and Colin. And that is BAD
The threesome and what not didnt seem very Colin like! his brothers of course but not him! but i think it goes back to the 1st episode where Lady whistledown says he is acting like someone his not. Like how he is supposed to be. I was also dissapointed in how we didnt have enough family moments which exsisted alot in the previous seasons...I love penelope, shes my 2nd favorite character and i do agree that it was a bit too fast with the both of them. I feel they needed more time or at least obviously Colin does. I do like them but i feel like their story shouldnt have happened yet. and the side stories were not as great as the previous series as well.
From the moment I heard that they were going to turn Colin into a rake I knew that they ruined him. And ruined the entire story for me. They should’ve just copied and paste the fanfic because they did it better.
The previous show runner said that Colin was the sensitive one because he was raised amongst his sisters 👯♀️ playing dolls 🎀and the age gap between him and his two older brothers. Makes him less likely to be a womanizer like his older brothers. so in season 1 and 2 they were setting Colin up to be a romantic demisexual. Hence why he wouldn’t kiss Marina.
Because Penelope and Colin are sentimental writers who document every monumental event in their life’s.
We as the romantic fan base were expecting The friends to lover❤️Trope. To be more intimate. A story where Colin and Penelope have their first awakening together. I was hoping that the show would give me an improved version of Odysseus. as Colin. I didn’t like Greek myth Odysseus. I didn’t think he deserved Penelope.
I wanted virgin demisexual Colins so bad and I was so pissed when I heard that we weren’t getting him for the TV show.
I thought he would be our first demisexual representation, but NO we got another rake. (very original). It’s not like we got that with the past two Male leads, and we’re also getting that with the future male leads.
So I guess they just intend to keep telling the same story over and over.
The new showrunner (Jess) had all the groundwork to tell a different kind of intimate. Sexual story. With different characters that are different people and it being just as compelling as the sexually liberated and experienced male leads.
I had no problem with him being a Showboat, who is charming with a false public image. Him being a virgin erotic writer. Would show that Colin has dichotomy and layers to him like Penelope who is whistledown and people think she’s more mature or older than she is.
I specifically only wanted him to be a whore for Penelope. Only Rabbid for Penelope. I wanted her to be his first kiss and first time, especially since we were getting a secondhand proposal. now she gets no first and everything is secondhanded and a hand me down.
I guess the new show writer ✍🏻 is sticking with the season 1 and 2 formula thinking that this type of man increases sex appeal but NO! All it did was gross 🤮 me out. The TV 📺 version of Colin. Especially since I know how good it could have been. The story that actually Polin Stan’s write ✍🏻 did a far superior job.
It would’ve been just as spicy 🥵 repressed newly discovering virgins. There is such a thing as horny virgins. The excited exploration. The cute hilarious awkwardness. The wonder of a whole New World unlocked Wasted potential.
The fanfic did it better.
Colin being a virgin doesn’t automatically make him an idiot. Or simple. Sex isn’t rocket science you don’t need experienced and know how to do it. It’s not some complicated equation and for two people who are best friends could feel safe and trust each-other enough to figure it out, and that would’ve been compelling.
if the two teens in blue Lagoon could figure it out on the deserted island. 🏝️ there’s no reason why Colin and Penelope can’t figure it out especially since Colin has the knowledge of the logistics of how it works. The friends to lover audience. Are deeply romantic we don’t want frivolous fucking. This was supposed to be our season.
First awakenings are extremely sexy. And there’s so much more special.
We were robbed of something beautiful
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The disgusting mentality of a Rake an insecure man who uses women and their bodies as less so they can feel like more. Throwing money at systematically oppressed women for cheap thrills, isn’t sexy it’s not romantic. Only for his soulmate to change him. They didn’t have to make him a Rake to tell the same story of insecurity.
I suppose the only admirable thing he did was not talk about sex workers like they were moldy pieces of bread 🍞 to be thrown away. He at least respected their dignity somewhat. But his character still ruining for me. And I suppose that fact means he a reformable rake. But why does reformed mean you learn to not use other people for your own feelings of inadequacy?
I honestly won’t ever forgive the writers for ruining the character and the story, for me
The worst part is Lord Debling by comparison, a truly secure man 🧍♂️ who stands for his own conviction. Who is truly his own unapology self no matter. How society snares at him. And think him odd. He is who he wants to be. You can actually respect him. And admire him. For a man who stands on his own conviction. That’s truly a man.
Colin comes back does the same whoring about the entire time he is teaching Penelope lessons (for weeks apparently) and then kisses her because he feels sorry for her. Ugh that is so gross to me.
Then because he is supposedly so despondent over Pen having a suitor, he goes back to fuck some sex workers again.
He only gets up enough courage to tell Penelope how he feels once he knows she is getting proposed to. Like he couldn’t call on her, not even once, or bribe her maid again, to see her and explain how he feels. Instead it’s poor me me me me….
I keep asking myself why I should want ShondaColin with Penelope.
She deserves sooo much better than him.
Ugh… 😣
You are the first person I’ve seen that has also raise my main complaint which is the lack of family moments. We don’t see the family interacting together the way we did in previous seasons. Season 1 the family interactions were memorable (have you ever visited a farm and the sword play) and then bringing Daphne back in season 2 for the Pall Mall scenes and the conversations on love with Anthony to help drive the story and family dynamic. This season the family just isn’t interacting in the same way and when we see Benedict it’s repeating the same rakish behaviour, Francesca is with her mother for the marriage market or Eloise is with Cressida. Without the family being together - and a huge part of that would be Anthony as family head but not necessarily Daphne anymore - then it just loses its heart. The focus can still be the new lead but we need something to bring Bridgerton’s together for the show. It seems so shocking that we see the Featheringtons engage together in S3 more than the Bridgertons (why not both). Could have been so simple for Colin’s mask to be reflecting on season 2’s ending with one of his brothers but also how he does this around his family and society with his need to be charming and well liked. Francesca could have taken Daphne’s role from S2 on an enlightening conversation given her new experiences. The family just is not having the same depth and interactions of earlier seasons and they are like ships in the night that don’t give the heart to the show.
What I don't know is how the Bendict & Widow storyline is doing anything for anything. The Mondrich family storyline is also "okay, I guess". Also the storyline with Lady Danbury & her brother.
Like honestly, what & why? I hope they make some sense of it by season 3.5
I'll wait until the second drop of Emily in Paris, at which time I will watch both shows without a forced break, and I'll do it in a one month subscription. I get more out of Amazon Prime.
What I find interesting is that Colin helping Pen find a partner is too similar to season one, but no one so far is mentioning that.
I like that Mondrich story because it’s the first story told of a member of the Ton that was not born or married into wealth. And that kind of pressure to assimilate is stressful. So watching them navigate is endearing, in my opinion, as is their romance.
My only complaint is that the season is too short. I don't mind the focus on other characters, since I personally believe that it fits the adaptation from book to TV. Books let us get inside of the characters' minds, TV fleshes out the world and helps us visualize the characters interacting. I just wished the Mondrich family had a bit more impact on the story after all. Right now they don't feel like one of the gears that keep the machine running, but like oiling the machine occasionally. It makes the machine work, sure, but I don't need to see the manufacturing process of the oil just to make the machine run.
Well it's not done yet, so there is a hope.
I do agree with you, it's too short for how much they packed in a season.
At least add another 2 episodes, Netflix, come on.
I feel like the Mondrich storyline is more of a cautionary tale for the Featheringtons. Play your cards right or it could be you out on your a** with a new family moving into your home. Mondrich only got the barony because closer family members did not have a SON to inherit. What are the Featheringtons missing? A son.
I like the Mondrich as characters but them being part of the ton felt forced and unnecessary. Also, in the books Francheska wasn't even mentioned being interested with a guy. They took more time on these side plots than Pen and Colin.
I have a theory that Netflix werent confident with this couple and thats why they overcrowded so many new couples in the 1st 2 episodes which stole the organic growth of Pen and Colins friends to lovers stage.
I was fine with douche colin flirting around town as long as the old sweet colin would return once he and Pen were alone during their lessons. Its just so rushed. Its like they're purposely sabotaging this couple
he never returned though...I believe they were not confident with this couple because they have to sexualise everything and this is not the same as the rest of the couples..they should have just let them fall in love, fight for love and be different. selling sexy desire scenes is not always what public needs. let them chat before they touch each other, before they discover each other and move on from being just friends
@@Julie-hf4chand this is why they shouldn't have changed the order. It gives both of them time to mature
In one of the interviews they talked about how when you see Colin flirting with everyone in their grandma you’re supposed to feel like “no!” In the way you might scold a dog. I think they nailed that. The vibe was very “Ew Colin wth!”
Having read the books I do have hope we will get more of the Why Colin realized he loved Pen. Fingers crossed.
Ask your mom, that doesn't happen in the books. You don't just lose the main couple. Take the Croquet scene in season two in the books. Both Daphne and Simon were there, and it becomes part of family reunion every year. Honestly it was laugh out loud funny in the books.
I like a lot of the subplots this season, unlike the Featherington subplot last season.
From her first scene, I’ve disliked the way the character Eloise is written. (Nothing against the actor playing her in the series.) She wants more education and a chance for a career of her choice, both of which she is denied because of her gender. She is right to believe that romantic love and happy, fulfilling marriages are very rare. She doesn’t want to be rushed into marriage with a man she hardly knows and who will expect her to set aside everything she wants in order to take care of him and bear his children.
I absolutely agree with her.
But this being romantic fiction, the character is made to appear misguided, selfish, and socially clueless and awkward. She is unlikeable by design. This is a punishment for daring to want something different. I find this part of the series plot repugnant and upsetting.
I was really hoping that they were going to change her plotline from the books, and that second season almost made it seem that way.
The new season though doesn't make me think it's going to happen.
They already have the blueprint of a likeable successful Intelligent woman in Lady Danbury. I don't get why they couldn't treat Eloise the same. She doesn't need to be a carbon copy, but just has the same sensibilities. She's overtly bratty and difficult. At times I forget that Eloise comes from a good background.
My problem with Eloise is that despite being the show's most prominent "feminist," she is arguably the most openly misogynistic character in the main cast.
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She talks a big game about believing women can be more than wives and mothers, but she looks down upon women whose interests, goals, and accomplishments are in fields considered traditionally feminine. Remember the distain she had for the woman who had a passion for embroidery?
She treats her peers as if they are idoits for wanting husbands, conveniently ignoring that they do not have the same privilege she does to take the economic considerations of marriage less seriously. Eloise's family are the wealthy elite amongst the wealthy elite, and they are loving enough that they will support her no matter what.
And I dobut this is setup for a character arc where she realises how disingenuous her ideals are, because the narrative validates her point of view. The show frames women who are not one of the oh-so-special leads or girlboss side characters as vapid nuisances.
Eloise is a terribly written character carried by an incredible performance.
@@oeurydice I literally out loud said "stop being such a bitch!" when Eloise was so mean to that girl who loved embroidery. Seriously, the show makes Eloise SO unlikeable with her false feminism. What she pushes for isn't empowerment, it's selfishness.
Agree and unfortunately, like the author, the showrunners don't know what to do with her, other than the obvious of changing the BS ending in the book and giving her agency (and a girlfriend lol)
I actually loved Colin's costumes because based on that snippet of his diary and the conversation he has with his 'friends' he is actually, honestly, pretending to be someone other than who he is. Like 'this is what you want? F*kn fine, whatever'. Like Pen's observation as Lady Whistledown that he'd suffered a tragic personality transplant was on point. He's wearing a costume because he's pretending.
Tbh I think Colin was supposed to feel a bit out of place, atleast that’s how I took it, it’s mentioned a few times by Penelope he is behaving as someone he isn’t, and you see his costume change to look more and more at home at Bridgerton. The Paris look and the Pirate look are a personae to help him behave this cavalier attitude he thinks men are supposed to behave. He did come across so obnoxious, so, goal achieved? Lol
Needed atleast 2 more episodes to flesh out Colin noticing her more and his internal struggle in who he wants to be and his love for her. I loved the bits where you could see him on tenterhooks, needed more of that. It did feel quite rushed, plot first, not character.
In saying that, I didn’t finish the book of this. I despise Colin in the book. He is MUCH better in the show.
I so agree Bridgerton has such a big cast that having more time to have all these characters, particularly the leads, be properly done. “Keep the world larger” instead of the characters disappearing off.
From the moment I heard that they were going to turn Colin into a rake I knew that they ruined him. And ruined the entire story for me. They should’ve just copied and paste the fanfic because they did it better.
The previous show runner said that Colin was the sensitive one because he was raised amongst his sisters 👯♀️ playing dolls 🎀and the age gap between him and his two older brothers. Makes him less likely to be a womanizer like his older brothers. so in season 1 and 2 they were setting Colin up to be a romantic demisexual. Hence why he wouldn’t kiss Marina.
Because Penelope and Colin are sentimental writers who document every monumental event in their life’s.
We as the romantic fan base were expecting The friends to lover❤️Trope. To be more intimate. A story where Colin and Penelope have their first awakening together. I was hoping that the show would give me an improved version of Odysseus. as Colin. I didn’t like Greek myth Odysseus. I didn’t think he deserved Penelope.
I wanted virgin demisexual Colins so bad and I was so pissed when I heard that we weren’t getting him for the TV show.
I thought he would be our first demisexual representation, but NO we got another rake. (very original). It’s not like we got that with the past two Male leads, and we’re also getting that with the future male leads.
So I guess they just intend to keep telling the same story over and over.
The new showrunner (Jess) had all the groundwork to tell a different kind of intimate. Sexual story. With different characters that are different people and it being just as compelling as the sexually liberated and experienced male leads.
I had no problem with him being a Showboat, who is charming with a false public image. Him being a virgin erotic writer. Would show that Colin has dichotomy and layers to him like Penelope who is whistledown and people think she’s more mature or older than she is.
I specifically only wanted him to be a whore for Penelope. Only Rabbid for Penelope. I wanted her to be his first kiss and first time, especially since we were getting a secondhand proposal. now she gets no first and everything is secondhanded and a hand me down.
I guess the new show writer ✍🏻 is sticking with the season 1 and 2 formula thinking that this type of man increases sex appeal but NO! All it did was gross 🤮 me out. The TV 📺 version of Colin. Especially since I know how good it could have been. The story that actually Polin Stan’s write ✍🏻 did a far superior job.
Book Collin's feelings were more abrupt than this Collin... Book Collin was cool and friendly until he makes a joke about ruining Penelope. then all he thinks about is 'ruining' Penelope... And then pen asks him for kiss
I think the passage of time in the story is the problem. It feels rushed because the audience doesn't have a timeline for how long the feelings have been developing or when the action occurs in time. I think a good example of timeline within the story was the addition of the pregnancy since it can be up to 5-6 weeks of women displaying pregnancy symptoms...so that would make Colin's change of heart happening over the course of a month (about) rather than over 2 weeks, which is what it felt like...
it was nice to watch but as a romantic myself, I would have written this part differently, I expected more connection, passion, self-discovery, fight for love, more expression of love and feelings, make the characters worthy of each other.
I didn't like Colin's portrayal as going to prostitutes and having threesomes, nor the 'steamy' carriage sequence and I felt everything else rushed too..My focus went on Francesa and her young love for the new Earl, rather than focusing on Penelope and Colin. I thought of Colin and Penelope as pure young people, saving themselves for love and marriage, different from the rest of the couples within the old times society, they cherished their friendship, trusted and respected each other. changing a character's personality, considering that Colin's one was very well established, it made him look like a totally different person. give this couple their personality and dignity back.
I prefer to see their love gradually developing, discovering the feelings they have for each other, especially his feelings for her and what she means to him and what they have in common, rather than pushing quickly with intimate sexual moments. Sadly, the script didn't make their bond and connection convincing and genuine. I prefer less sexual scenes between them and seeing more talk, more love, what do they expect from their future together, to see them chatting more before touching each other in a sexy desire way.
I wanted to understand what actually brought them closer, how he remembered their history together, how their friendship started, how it progressed, how he sees her after all these years, did he realise that she had feelings for him before? if yes, when? we didn't see that on the screen. he should have found out somehow that she loved him all these years, reason to love and adore her more, this is a reason for marriage. before he wants her physically, what does he actually feel for her? can we see Penelope through his eyes and what does she mean to him as a woman, what does he like about her personality? for these people true and honest untainted love was their life purpose, that's why pushing this couple so quickly into sexual scenes kills their chemistry and love story.
I actually think they lacked chemistry because of the script, although they look nice together on screen. I also think, given these 2 people, there was so much potential to articulate their love, I would have never thought that while Penelope was older and mature, she was still innocent, virgin and introvert and would not allow him to touch her so soon, make him wait, make him wait more, be worthy and desire her truly. Given his personality, I thought that he would not want to be inappropriate with her, not until their feelings are clear and they grow closer to discover each other. these were very good old friends and one expects that they would firstly discover who is the other person when they are not in a friendship relationship before moving on to the next step. firstly, he must deserve her and secondly, she must be convinced that Colin actually has fallen in love with her...can someone rectify their love story in the second part of season 3?
I always love hearing your opinions. Even though I did find myself wondering if your suggestions of what the writers should have done may have touched on things that were out of their handss (for instance, I know that Simon's actor has said he has no intention of going back to the show, and I recently heard that Daphne's actress has said she isn't interested in returning again either), I still found myself really enjoying your video here. I can't wait to hear your thoughts on part 2 (which I am also sad that we're going to have to wait until June to see; weekly episodes would be so much better than a three week long break).
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I don't mind the cliffhanger at the end of part one; I remember when Netflix didn't exist and I had to wait a week or several weeks for the next episode. Is good every now and then not to get instant gratification. It keeps us humble.
I love Colin but "Hans Solo cosplay!!!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀💀 I can't!!
Anthony and Simon actually support Penelope publicly in the book when it's revealed that she is Lady Whisteldown. I agree that it would have been nice for Anthony and Kate to stick around and begin to play the combined heads of the family.
Also, wholeheartedly agree about releasing weekly episodes. So much easier to keep up with the story.
in reality- no one in their right mind would be okay with someone close to them writing gossip about them and their family (good or bad) behind their back. That's just mental.
Pen should be ostracized simply for realisms sake and very slowly-oh so slowly-like on the edge tension slowly regrow her friendship back.
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one struggling with season 3. I'm not really liking Penelope as a character due to choices the show has made. And Colin is just ... there. I felt like he had more personality as a background character in S1 & S2 then he does in his own season! Netflix might have split the season in two parts as a marketing ploy, but it's backfired for me. I can totally wait for the second half. At this point I'm just looking forward to skipping ahead to Benedict's season.
Edit: I do want to say, I thoroughly enjoy Nicola Coughlan's acting. No complaints there. Just not-the-best-writing. I do think Luke Newton struggles as the romantic lead. Though, to be fair, the writing is asking an awful lot of whiplash feelings on a very short time scale.
I’ve noticed the absence of the previous main characters, and on the occasion that they make an appearance they feel flat, like their lives have reached a conclusion. The Featherington sisters have been married off and they are still included in certain plot lines. It seems out of character for Anthony to not be invested in his siblings lives. I know that Anthony and Kate are happy and in love but I would have like to have seen some of the same fieriness and stubbornness from their season.
While I enjoyed some of the secondary narratives, I think that Benedict’s could’ve been cut (I don’t see any growth/relation to his future love story). I would have preferred if Colin’s “new persona” turned out to be a complete lie (maybe lying about his encounters with women) that is unravelled as he is teaching Penelope to be herself. The dream could have come before the kiss, making Colin confused about his feelings for his life-long friend, instead of the kiss suddenly changing everything. Or, confusion from both sides, both believing that they wouldn’t stand a chance with the other. I also think they needed flashbacks of their long friendship to remind us of why they are close/well-suited.
Yeah Anthony and Kate were sweet to watch but I wanted to see some of the spark from
Their season which was my favorite: playfully sparring back and forth. I would have liked to see more of a Colin starting to realize he was attracted to Penelope rather than just being shocked into it before a kiss she had to beg for.
Yeah Anthony and Kate were sweet to watch but I wanted to see some of the spark from
Their season which was my favorite: playfully sparring back and forth. I would have liked to see more of a Colin starting to realize he was attracted to Penelope rather than just being shocked into it before a kiss she had to beg for.
First of all, 50 Shades of Abusive Narcissist does not belong in the romance genre. Secondly, romance does not come in and out of favor every few years... that genre is consistently a top preformer.
This is one of the first of your videos I have seen ❤ when you said that you loved Regency European tales except the recent Persuasion, I absolutely knew we were on the same wavelength. Just from the trailer I couldn't have watched that.
I adore Bridgerton and agree that the smouldering tension of the last 2 series is just not as evident here. I'm glad for the parallel storyline but it also feels sad not to have had any interaction with Daphne and her growing family xx
This season did feel a little lacking, too many story lines and not enough time given to heating up Colin and Pen, I didn’t see much of Colin changing, I was a bit confused on their lack of chemistry given how much chemistry the actors have off screen
Regarding main characters from previous seasons: The reason that their plots are abandoned is that because for the first seasons both characters leave (Simon after season one, Daphne after season 2) and for the second season both characters have had many opportunities outside of bridgerton (Jonathan Bailey with wicked and Simone Ashley with the little mermaid) so there was probably an issue with scheduling but they are going to remain part of the cast as they are important for coming seasons
I love The Pride & Prejudice tv series! And Bridgerton!
The outfits for cillin at the start feel out of place was by designe. Hell he drops the coat literly into his friends srms in episode 3 befor saving pen who doesnt notice it watching colin.
So everything you found off was by designe. Its wellthoight out but that people dont noticeemakes me question if its a waste of effort by the Bridgerton team becaus its Romance.
Nobody watches it for thought out arcs. But its refreshing seeing a well writen romance show.
If the season was well thought out, it wouldn’t be so clunky. Good writers know good pacing
I agree that the episodes should have been weekly because once the 4 episodes are over are you going to keep watching the episodes over and over again. Plus I liked your analysis and I agree the back story to the other Bridgeton siblings is important.
That description of the different people in the family watching the show together was really funny to me because my family is the exact same! 😂
(Although in that case I'm the one always comparing the show to the books)
I personally dislike the scene in the carriage. It's really rushed especially in the light of the fact, that Colin is in a habit to have sex with everything that moves. He knows how overwhelming the hole situation is for Penelope. Disgusting.
it was nice to watch but as a romantic myself, I would have written this part differently, I expected more connection, passion, self-discovery, fight for love, more expression of love and feelings, make the characters worthy of each other.
I didn't like Colin's portrayal as going to prostitutes and having threesomes, nor the 'steamy' carriage sequence and I felt everything else rushed too..My focus went on Francesa and her young love for the new Earl, rather than focusing on Penelope and Colin. I thought of Colin and Penelope as pure young people, saving themselves for love and marriage, different from the rest of the couples within the old times society, they cherished their friendship, trusted and respected each other. changing a character's personality, considering that Colin's one was very well established, it made him look like a totally different person. give this couple their personality and dignity back.
I prefer to see their love gradually developing, discovering the feelings they have for each other, especially his feelings for her and what she means to him and what they have in common, rather than pushing quickly with intimate sexual moments. Sadly, the script didn't make their bond and connection convincing and genuine. I prefer less sexual scenes between them and seeing more talk, more love, what do they expect from their future together, to see them chatting more before touching each other in a sexy desire way.
I wanted to understand what actually brought them closer, how he remembered their history together, how their friendship started, how it progressed, how he sees her after all these years, did he realise that she had feelings for him before? if yes, when? we didn't see that on the screen. he should have found out somehow that she loved him all these years, reason to love and adore her more, this is a reason for marriage. before he wants her physically, what does he actually feel for her? can we see Penelope through his eyes and what does she mean to him as a woman, what does he like about her personality? for these people true and honest untainted love was their life purpose, that's why pushing this couple so quickly into sexual scenes kills their chemistry and love story.
I actually think they lacked chemistry because of the script, although they look nice together on screen. I also think, given these 2 people, there was so much potential to articulate their love, I would have never thought that while Penelope was older and mature, she was still innocent, virgin and introvert and would not allow him to touch her so soon, make him wait, make him wait more, be worthy and desire her truly. Given his personality, I thought that he would not want to be inappropriate with her, not until their feelings are clear and they grow closer to discover each other. these were very good old friends and one expects that they would firstly discover who is the other person when they are not in a friendship relationship before moving on to the next step. firstly, he must deserve her and secondly, she must be convinced that Colin actually has fallen in love with her...can someone rectify their love story in the second part of season 3?
@@Julie-hf4ch totally agree. Well, all we can do it's to wait for a second part.
"Capital! Capital!"
My dad would say this all the time as I grew up after we saw that, lol. Makes me feel good to hear, thanks for that.
The last season was the most divisive. Shonda literally rewrote that book for Netflix.
Bruh dont blame shonda she only wrote queen charlotte
@@ftygdfrygg6622. I use Shonda as in the writing team. The writer, whoever they are) decided to rewrite book 2.
Detractors are a loud minority because fans of the books pre-netflix make up a small part of the people watching the show now, the vast majority of people consider it the best season.
@@mchjsosde literally no, the amount of ppl on tiktok and alot of critics when u search up the season are critizing it harsh
Yeah and Kanthony's book was horrendous. Easily the most boring and frustrating of the series, imo. The show improved their characters and their story greatly.
I think the main problem I have with Colin and Pen is that the show has trained me to anticipate it rather than actually making me want it. I have watched this man act like a complete dumbass with no self respect for two seasons and have him switch from the with the drop of a hat with no believable development. Colin isn’t as much of an afterthought as Benedict, but he’s pretty damn close. And Pen just taking him back without any problems just infuriates me to no end.
Again, the show has not made me want these two to be together. And you would think that the pairing that has had more screentime than anyone would have more believable payoff to them finally kissing, but they don’t.
It just feels rushed and like a giant waste of my time.
I was really hoping for more Francesca, especially considering she wasn’t even a character in s1 and 2. A lot of people didn’t even realise that daphne and Eloise had a 4th sister. Weekly would have been better, as it builds hype for each episode, rather than nothing in between part 1 and 2
Collins clothes are so different because he travelled so much over the off season and as he said “found himself, made himself most comfortable with who he is. Collin also says to the guys at the table that he is lonely and we know from season 2 that his eldest brother pushed him to “sow his wild seeds”. Also before confiding in his mother about friends and becoming more with Pen he tells the guys that he is lonely and tired of being cavalier so he is showing that he no longer wants to live like his brothers and wants to be wed.
"Lord beardie McVegan Man!" This was the best thing ever! I'm am genuinely dying over how freaking hilarious that is! Thank you for that!
There is way less sex in the _Bridgerton_ books than in _Fifty Shades of Grey,_ and I know that without reading the latter. (I have read some blogs that make fun of it.)
Yea, only Season 1 really went in on the sex (because the two leads were incredibly attractive, they couldn't resist having them act out those scenes)
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Season two really went in on the slow burn and self-denial.
I looove this season, it feels like it’s my season and I’m so happy with Polin
They shouldn’t have pushed a storyline onto Francesca this season. Hers is a story that doesn’t need to be there IMO. It takes time from the central romance with is Pen/Colin.
We still needed the backstory for her series, so I was happy for it to happen here
Okay - did I scream at the tv when Colin's swashbuckling new look arrived on the scene? HELL YES!
Did I also find it INCREDIBLY distracting HOW MUCH his hair and make up tint changed from scene to scene making it painfully obvious which were pick up scenes and which weren't: YES!
Did I play a game to see if he was wearing a wig at times: Absolutely lol
Am I curious to see if his look will mellow out somewhere between old Colin and new Colin by the end of season 3 to illustrate that he's finally settled into himself in the happy medium: I guess June will tell.
Pen's glow up, however, was EXQUISIT! And her performances were wonderful! The only time I "noticed" something was when her corset was cinched too tightly and you could tell (on of her light blue gowns) - though maybe that was for story to visually show how uncomfortable she was in that scene/ball idk but gurl needed to breathe and I can't imagine filming for 12-14 hour days in something that looked so uncomfortable (and I KNOW all of these costumes are likely very uncomfortable/painful especially in those giant gowns and wigs!). Other than that, Pen was a star!
I expected a flashback version of their first meeting 😭
Fun fact: while reading some magazine a i learned that they *broke furniture whilst filming a raunchy scene*
A table
@@you_already_have_it wha- how- oh well i don't watch bridgerton anyway lol
i could not agree more. I want the main characters from season 1/2 back
Issues I had with this season:
Colin being shown as a rake was absolutely unnecessary and gave me second hand embarrassment. He is not supposed to be like Anthony or Benedict, and he had no such character development as a flirt/rake as those two had in the last 2 seasons.
They should have done a flashback of how Colin and Pen became friends since they were kids.
Mondrich's story is nothing but filler, much like that Featherington cousin plot last season.
Daphne's absence is felt in every episode.
John and Francesca were phenomenal to see, very similar behavior and character like in the book.
So many plotlines together is causing the main characters to look like side characters.
There are so many story lines... that all the episodes feel rushed. I liked the Mondrichs... but their story does not really add much to the Bridgerton saga and it takes time away from other things... like forcing an abrupt exit for Lord Debling and Colin "suddenly" realizing he cares for Penelope just because they kissed. Hopefully, Part 2 will be better.
not sure if anyone mentioned it, but yes, anachronistic use of music/modernizing costumes has been done before and my personal favorite exampled of it is "Kinght's tale" where they adjust costumes away from historical accuracy in a service of characterization and music is basically either orchestral versions of classic rock, people accapella singing rock music or its just non diagetic rock songs that advance the plot - all combined with original score.
Gotta disagree at 8:20. The moment they kissed I could see on his face the emotions that had opened up, his acting was exceptional all 4 episodes. Also, the scenes with the threesomes are absolutely set up to show his progression of trying to be a different person and comparing the one in episode 2 to episode 4 you can tell how in love he is with penelope, there is a genuine purpose to them. And people act like hes gross for it but the other male leads were doing very similar things so I dont think it makes sense to call it out here
From the moment I heard that they were going to turn Colin into a rake I knew that they ruined him. And ruined the entire story for me. They should’ve just copied and paste the fanfic because they did it better.
The previous show runner said that Colin was the sensitive one because he was raised amongst his sisters 👯♀️ playing dolls 🎀and the age gap between him and his two older brothers. Makes him less likely to be a womanizer like his older brothers. so in season 1 and 2 they were setting Colin up to be a romantic demisexual. Hence why he wouldn’t kiss Marina.
Because Penelope and Colin are sentimental writers who document every monumental event in their life’s.
We as the romantic fan base were expecting The friends to lover❤️Trope. To be more intimate. A story where Colin and Penelope have their first awakening together. I was hoping that the show would give me an improved version of Odysseus. as Colin. I didn’t like Greek myth Odysseus. I didn’t think he deserved Penelope.
I wanted virgin demisexual Colins so bad and I was so pissed when I heard that we weren’t getting him for the TV show.
I thought he would be our first demisexual representation, but NO we got another rake. (very original). It’s not like we got that with the past two Male leads, and we’re also getting that with the future male leads.
So I guess they just intend to keep telling the same story over and over.
The new showrunner (Jess) had all the groundwork to tell a different kind of intimate. Sexual story. With different characters that are different people and it being just as compelling as the sexually liberated and experienced male leads.
I had no problem with him being a Showboat, who is charming with a false public image. Him being a virgin erotic writer. Would show that Colin has dichotomy and layers to him like Penelope who is whistledown and people think she’s more mature or older than she is.
I specifically only wanted him to be a whore for Penelope. Only Rabbid for Penelope. I wanted her to be his first kiss and first time, especially since we were getting a secondhand proposal. now she gets no first and everything is secondhanded and a hand me down.
I guess the new show writer ✍🏻 is sticking with the season 1 and 2 formula thinking that this type of man increases sex appeal but NO! All it did was gross 🤮 me out. The TV 📺 version of Colin. Especially since I know how good it could have been. The story that actually Polin Stan’s write ✍🏻 did a far superior job.
It would’ve been just as spicy 🥵 repressed newly discovering virgins. There is such a thing as horny virgins. The excited exploration. The cute hilarious awkwardness. The wonder of a whole New World unlocked Wasted potential.
The fanfic did it better.
Colin being a virgin doesn’t automatically make him an idiot. Or simple. Sex isn’t rocket science you don’t need experienced and know how to do it. It’s not some complicated equation and for two people who are best friends could feel safe and trust each-other enough to figure it out, and that would’ve been compelling.
if the two teens in blue Lagoon could figure it out on the deserted island. 🏝️ there’s no reason why Colin and Penelope can’t figure it out especially since Colin has the knowledge of the logistics of how it works. The friends to lover audience. Are deeply romantic we don’t want frivolous fucking. This was supposed to be our season.
First awakenings are extremely sexy. And there’s so much more special.
We were robbed of something beautiful
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The disgusting mentality of a Rake an insecure man who uses women and their bodies as less so they can feel like more. Throwing money at systematically oppressed women for cheap thrills, isn’t sexy it’s not romantic. Only for his soulmate to change him. They didn’t have to make him a Rake to tell the same story of insecurity.
I suppose the only admirable thing he did was not talk about sex workers like they were moldy pieces of bread 🍞 to be thrown away. He at least respected their dignity somewhat. But his character still ruining for me. And I suppose that fact means he a reformable rake. But why does reformed mean you learn to not use other people for your own feelings of inadequacy?
I honestly won’t ever forgive the writers for ruining the character and the story, for me
The worst part is Lord Debling by comparison, a truly secure man 🧍♂️ who stands for his own conviction. Who is truly his own unapology self no matter. How society snares at him. And think him odd. He is who he wants to be. You can actually respect him. And admire him. For a man who stands on his own conviction. That’s truly a man.
Colin comes back does the same whoring about the entire time he is teaching Penelope lessons (for weeks apparently) and then kisses her because he feels sorry for her. Ugh that is so gross to me.
Then because he is supposedly so despondent over Pen having a suitor, he goes back to fuck some sex workers again.
He only gets up enough courage to tell Penelope how he feels once he knows she is getting proposed to. Like he couldn’t call on her, not even once, or bribe her maid again, to see her and explain how he feels. Instead it’s poor me me me me….
I keep asking myself why I should want ShondaColin with Penelope.
She deserves sooo much better than him.
Ugh… 😣
I agree, I prefer weekly episodes to getting two halves of a series a month apart. Little and often keeps me excited about watching whereas the big gap (paired with this season of Bridgerton being the weakest one for me) takes me out of the Bridgerton high and wonder whether I'll bother watching the second half.
Yay 😭he’s talking about Bridgerton 😭😭😭😭
No it’s so frustrating I feel like we’ve seen more about lemonade than Colin pining over Pen, which is what I wanted 😭 like Idk if it would have been better if Colin came back from his travels feeling different for Pen. I also wish Pen wasn’t begging for his affection so much. This would have made the kiss so much better I feel like. Pen wants to kiss him because she truly believes nobody will ever kiss her, and Colin wants to kiss her because he likes her!!! Idk it’s just frustrating
So, I actually read a bunch of the books, back in the day. I still have them on my shelf. And, although I have this story, I've never actually read it. So, I can't say too much about accuracy. But, my thoughts on this season thus far are...yeah, I'm not as gripped as I was during the first two seasons. I don't know why, either. It bothers me that I wasn't as excited for this as I was for the others. But, while I was watching it, I agree, Penny's story was VERY engaging, while Colin's was not. I think it may have to do with the familial stability of his family versus the chaotic instability of hers. She's the underdog, a Cinderella story in many ways. She is forced to live with her wicked mother and two evil stepsisters. Except, of course, they are all related by blood. But, that is the vibe that they give off. Dysfunction is entertaining and you want to see her escape her abuse. That's why her plot is compelling, moreso than his.
Also, (and again, I haven't read this book), his love story is kind of playing out alongside of his younger sister's. So, you kind of don't know who to pay attention to...sort of. I think it would have been better to devote the time to follow one sibling's romance at a time. The way it is right now, neither of them are getting the attention and the depth their tales of love deserve. I think that's the problem on the B-Team side. With Penny, she gets to have all of the spotlight in her house. With Colin, he's dividing his in two with Francesca. I think they deserved two desperate series just like the other two siblings received. If nothing else, divide the season in half and give each one their time to shine. The way things are right now, it's a little chaotic.
I also agree that Anthony should have played a bigger role in this, now more than ever. He is the head of the household and essentially more of a father than an older brother to his siblings. He should have been the one monitoring things just like he did with Daphne. Don't get me wrong, I love Violet and I adore the actress that plays her. But, the tension that he brought to otherwise benign situations was well-played and made things more interesting. It would have been interesting to see his take on things. And if not him, then Benedict is RIGHT THERE!!!!!! Why not make better use of him! My boy! *cries bitter, sorrowful tears* 😭 He is so underutilized in this season and it truly breaks my heart. *sigh*
I am fine with how they are handling Eloise, though. You can tell she is torn, emotionally and the actress is portraying that in a convincing way. I really like that Gregory and Hyacinth are getting a little more screentime. ❤ I think Creseda might end up being a tragic character, but from what I've seen of her, she comes off very much like Chloe Bourgeios, but with an actual incoming redemption arc...I hope. Again, I don't know. But, I don't dislike her character. I love the idea of Violet getting back into the swing of things, especially after having watched "Queen Charlotte". She deserves it. I want to see more of that.
Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter. I didn't mind the side story about the other family (the ones that inherited the Kent(?) estate. I actually enjoyed them a lot. I thought the stuff with the Featherington sisters was comical. But, yeah, whose romance story is this? It was advertised as Colin's, but then it's also Francesca's...who wasn't advertised AT ALL! I had no idea, and I think that's a massive problem. Give each sibling their time to shine. One shouldn't steal the spotlight from the other. ...give Luke Thompson more screentime!!!!!!
I love what you said about Pen being Cinderella. Her mom was so mean to her, especially when she found out about Colin helping Pen find her a husband. That scene I felt Pen was at her loneliest...no one to confide in.
Ther is lots of stuff like budget and availability of actory. Jonnathan Bayly sayed. Ther wher conflicts with other projects like Wicked
I would've liked some internal monologue of Colin too, maybe conversations with his brothers (a letter to Anthony read aloud and Anthony's advice being different from S1 now that he's experienced love), and a contrasting convo with Benedict who hasn't moved beyond lust yet. We just don't know him very well I don't think. But it's only part 1, I expect more in part 2.
A month wait is simply unacceptable, is it not? Weekly for sure is better, and 10 or more episodes would be way better than 8. We'll see
The problem is that there so little polin AND they are gonna be gone next season…😭
They’ve confirmed they have been asked back!
wanting more Polin moments... just love how Nicola played Penelope...
Each book focuses on a specific sibling with little to no development of secondary character until their own book. The show has tried to include more character development before their individual seasons but adding other plot lines to each season can muddle the waters. Interestingly enough, the only people who have real progression and development in all the seasons so far are the Featheringtons.
I JUST NEED MORE POLIN PLEASEEEE
These 4 episodes were disappointing. Colin proposing the evening of the same day he spent in a brothel with two women. Yuck. The writers could have made him such an interesting person from his travels; instead they wrote him as a vapid, shallow person.
The book makes him a vapid shallow person as well, I was hoping for his character to have a bit of a revamp for the show but it was only a pirate cosplay 😟
But that's the point, he only act as a rake for social validation, it's not his true self. He questioned it himself to his friends: ~Aren't you tired of acting like this? Intimacy is more than just physicality~ smt like this. And at brothel he couldn't do it, he only watched with kinda absent minded eyes.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I have a lot of criticisms of this season, but I also did not care about Polin at all and now im really excited for all the mess that's coming in part part 2, so they did something right.
I love season 3 and so far it’s my favorite. A lot of people are so hard on Colin but I think Luke did a terrific job portraying his character. I even prefer show Colin to book Colin. His character in the book was somewhat selfish and borderline toxic with him being jealous of Pen’s LW work.
Moreover, I don’t know if any 3rd son would wear his ‘sensitive’ mask on 24/7 in a society that expects rakish behavior from men. His 2 older brothers were proud of their whoring around. These are the masculine examples he thought he had to emulate. I understood why they portrayed him like that in the first episodes. It didn’t take him long to revert back to his original persona.
As for Pen, I have no notes ♥️
Love these points
Colin’s clothing and brothel visits are supposed to be cringey because he’s putting on a performance. He’s acting the way he thinks he’s supposed to, or that others want him to. It’s mentioned multiple times how out of character his behavior is but he gets the surface reception he wants from it. As for his feelings towards Penelope, he’s missed her for months, has been seeking emotional intimacy in empty sexual encounters, and is unmoored this season. The kiss with Penelope is the first time things click into place. Kissing someone he’s not only loved but been loved by for years, someone he trusts, who’s always been there is what sets off the dreams and spiraling leading up to the carriage scene. All that said, yes, the show needs 10 to 13 episodes to do justice to all of the storylines…
is it truly so cringey though? what he writes in his personal journal are certainly not cringey. It's erotic obsession. a boy coming into a man. and is he putting on a performance for the brothel visits when no one even knows about it? Heck Pen wouldn't have known if not for snooping in his journal. He's exploring privately. Hardly cringey. strangely out of character but we also have to remember this guy has been gone for a year and had to go to wondrous places to escape how broken his heart was. men and women diving blindly into lust for pity f****s is not a new thing and happens all the time. It feels out of character because we are not evaluating that this a person who has been gone for a year to new places. we come off from the last season acting like it's only been a day when it really really really hasn't.
His clothing might be a performance or something to portray his out of touchness with the ton when he has been influenced the world abroad. Unsure about that one. though it could be both. I personally gave no F's and didn't notice, because i often do not care about what someone is wearing. Literally give no f's.
The Mondrich story was too long, they kind of repeated the same point over and over multiple times, they already established that they’ve been struggling to acclimate to the ton in the previous seasons so they didn’t have to do it again over and over this season. They might be in need of financial support which is why they increased their screen time but still a bit too much. I liked the increase in Cressida’s arc she’s much more understandable and it builds on Pens future conflict with her. And Francesca’s story wasn’t long and didn’t take away from the main romance while building on future books. I just felt pen and Colin’s time together wasn’t optimized, a lot of it was the same troupe done over and over again or long glances from a distance. Their greatest strength was their friends dynamic. I’m hoping with a lot of the set up done the second half will focus a lot more on them
Love❤season 3 Polin. Part 1 of season 3 is mesmerizing that I watched it over and over.😊
Pen was hoping that eventually she and vegan man may fall in love over time, despite his long travels and she would’ve been okay with it knowing he’d eventually return and they could be romantic together. Plus, him being away a lot makes life easier as lady whistledown. It was the fact that he had no intention of becoming romantic that made her unhappy. But also, in her mind, he was her only suitor and only chance of getting married, becoming an accepted woman in society and being able to leave the featherington household, which she desired almost as much as true love.
Fun fact they did draw attention to how Cressida s style is seen as opulent and estravagance but we see how she overdoes it to please her mother this happens during the Modeste war
You got a point, there is not enough Bridgerton Family. Anthony is coming back for at least one episode but the whole series is lacking when it comes to the family dynamic. There should be more family scenes
I agree Colin's character was all over the place and his clothes were distracting because he stood out like a sore thumb. I enjoy the sexy time scenes as much as the next but all the ones in Season 3 don't seem to make any sense other than they wanted to give us more sex scenes. Season 2 didn't have much but when it happened it was really the lit to the fuse we had all been waiting for the whole season and what made Kate and and Anthony so hot. Colin going around with the hookers just made me cringe that he was going to catch an STD just in time to marry Pen and give it to her. :( Nothing romantic or hot happening there. At least Anthony's rakishness was revolved around a single person and not an entire brothel and every country in Europe. I really expected Colin and Pens romance to be the sweetest one since it was between friends, but it's coming off as very offhanded like we know they've liked each other for years so we don't need to bother putting any effort into showing it's development.
You cant compare any show to Game of Thrones as it was just...television perfection at a level we may never see again.
we do not speak of the last season
I think it's interesting that people are seemingly having issues with the multiple storylines in this season. I personally did not like season 2 nearly at all because of how much was going on all at once, plus the constant feeling of intensity and anger. It just wasn't my cup of tea, whereas in season 3 I feel like they've cut back on how many story lines they have, allowing them to flesh out each one a little more. I do think it was jarring how quickly Collin in shown to love Penn, but I do think how they show him pining for her is on par with how they did it in previous seasons. You get some nice call backs to how Anothony acted in season 1 and 2 with the look of constant torture and with Daphne to how she longed to be with the Duke and was so hurt when that almost didn't happen. To me, it shows how it's a family trait to crave love and struggle with it within the bounds of society. I really enjoyed season 3
13:46 your mom read the books, so she knows and understands why each Season goes to one couple each. One thing that I liked least in season 3 were the amount of side stories.
I’m glad you said something bc I feel ripped off 😤
I think that Luke’s acting was very subtle. I had to watch the show multiple times to see the changes in his face and notice the shift Collin had. I think this is because the character is portrayed through the female gaze… you need to really watch him to see the small changes throughout the first four episodes. Honestly the more I watched the more I liked it because I could see something new in his acting each time.
here's my thing though, this shouldn't be through the female gaze, because it's not about penelope, it's about colin. colin is the bridgerton in the famously-named bridgerton show.
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Overall it was enjoyable and looking forward to part 2. I think there would be less critique about other characters having more screen time has the writers really make Colin grovel and go through the pinning stage properly. I think I saw/heard someone somewhere say there could have been narration from Colin over certain scenes with his inner monologue. Definitely feel sorry for Lord Debling
Was more interested in Francesca’s quiet romance
Kanthony being there for just the beginning was just the biggest tease. "extended honeymoon" idiotic. If they carried on with them like you suggested it would have been a much better season, I don't know why they decide to drop the previous couples as soon as they get their happy ending. It would be interesting to see them interact with the new leads.
I wanted to see so much more of Colin pining after Penelope, and Pen not caring and making him work for her. But we didn’t get that😭
Seriously the previews and paid influencers made it look like that was gonna happen!
The brothel scenes don’t happen in the book. It doesn’t make sense with the character