The Most Incredible Catholic Case for Atonement (w/ Dr. Margaret Turek)
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2022
- In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, I'm joined by the incredible, world-renown theologian Dr. Margaret Turek to provide the Catholic case for the atonement.
And, boy, is it ever incredible!
Dr. Turek lays out in beautiful depth and poetry, the whole of salvation history. Why Jesus had to come, die, and rise from the dead. Why Jesus had to die the way He did. What was the Father's role in "abandoning" Christ on the cross? And what do Catholics believe about it all.
This episode is, simply put, the very best case for how the Catholic Church understands atonement as you'll ever find - I'm sure of it! If you have questions about what Catholics believe about the crucifixion, Easter, the Passion of Christ, Good Friday, satisfaction, justification, sanctification, or grace ... this is the episode for you!
For more from Dr. Margaret Turek check out her book from Ignatius Press, Atonement: Soundings in Biblical, Trinitarian, and Spiritual Theology at: ignatius.com/atonement-atp/
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Starving for the Father, to know Him with my senses, has been my prayer. Begging to love God in the Trinity. This explanation of interpersonal relationship through the Father's desire has given my thirsty soul the eyes to join in the Father's forgiving love. So thankful! God fleshes our unfaithfulness into a lively faith in Passionate Love.
I agree with the other remarks, I was surprised to see so few comments/likes? I saw Dr. Turek on EWTN live last night. Hopefully, Catholics hungry for deep SPIRITUAL direction like this, like myself, will CLAMOR for this kind of teaching. I will be getting the book!
I saw her last night also! Her manner of teaching/speaking - her whole manner - just captivated me, and gave me a whole new appreciation for the love between the Holy Trinity.
So glad people are finding this video! One of my favourite interviews of all time.
As a reformed Presbyterian (i.e., Calvinist) currently in RCIA, Dr.Turek's talk really caught my attention. I've never heard a Catholic (with her four guides in the 'dance') talk about the atonement like this before, or put the pieces together like this on a subject so critical and fundamental to our faith. Up until about 1:09:00 I would have thought I was listening to a Protestant! Catholicism takes sin and the holiness of God seriously, too...just like Protestants. Dr.Turek's comment about God showing the face of the loving Father on the Cross, from the Cross, under the shadow of death, was startling and powerful. The fullness of the Catholic faith really shone here in this talk. Looking forward to reading Dr.Turek's book. Thanks and peace.
I’m so glad you enjoyed this. One of the most enriching interviews in the history of the show!
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This committed Protestant loved this! Good job Dr. Turek! Very insightful!
I just finished Dr. Turek’s book a few days ago. It is really good. I would like to speak with her more about how it relates to the view of St. Anselm, either similarities or differences.
Keith, wow, a splendid offering once more, and so well guided. You are bringing out such good Catholic content and I so respect it. You have your guiding light right! So bless you. Thank you also Ms Turek, - I will be getting your book 🙂
Thanks for your exceptionally kind words!
Great and thanks for having her on. Can’t believe this doesn’t have more likes.
What an insightful talk! Very powerful! I am definitely getting the book. Would love to hear more from Dr. Turek.
thank you for this- absolutely powerful- ordered the book-cannot wait to savour the wisdom- God bless Dr Turek and yourself!
and please tell Dr Turek- I followed all the way!!!!! What a wonderful speaker! Could have listened for hours!
I’ll let her know. 😃
Thank you
Many gems will have to transcribe.
Great content !❣️🔥
This proves that the Catholic Church is the one true faith established by Christ !!!!
Question : Does your book deal with this in the Mass? It would seem to me that the Suscipe Sancte prayer in the old offertory contains within it the whole mystery you are enunciating. Whereas it is omitted in the Novus Order precisely because there is a poor understanding of atonement; even catholics tend to think of it in terms of penal substitution instead of vicarious satisfaction. This lack of insight, which your book corrects, maybe the root cause for removing the offertory prayers leaving in place mention only of a sacrifice of thanksgiving and praise. Had there been a full understanding as you have described I dare say there would have been no need to alter that offertory prayer. I suggest this is a grave omission.
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🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:01 *✝️ Dr. Margaret Turek, a renowned theologian, provides a compelling case for Catholic Atonement, examining why Christ had to die and what salvation means from a Catholic perspective.*
01:10 *🥇 The podcast claims to provide a unique and fresh perspective on understanding salvation, different from the conventional evangelical Christian view.*
02:35 *🎓 Dr. Turek is introduced as an experienced professor of theology with a doctorate in Sacred Theology and as the author of "Atonement: Soundings in Biblical Trinitarian and Spiritual Theology".*
03:45 *📚 Dr. Turek reveals that the concept behind her book was developed for decades, traces it back to a personal experience, an encounter with God that changed her life.*
06:26 *💡 The book aims to help people heal the eyes of their hearts so they can see God. It investigates the mystery of the crucified one, the patterns, and images leading to this moment through biblical revelation.*
11:42 *📖 The book employs contemplative theology of atonement based on insights from Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, father Hans Urs von Balthasar, and father Norbert Hoffmann.*
15:37 *🕊️ Dr. Turek defines 'atonement' as a way of eliminating or cleansing from sin. She outlines forgiveness, atonement, immersion in God's love, and dealing with the effects of sin in an atonement process.*
25:08 *🌀 Dr. Turek emphasizes the importance of mystery and the understanding of God as a living being in the context of Atonement and Catholic Theology.*
28:37 *📜 Dr. Margaret Turek discusses the Old Testament origins of atonement, explaining that it isn't a concept that merely surfaced with the event of the cross. It's within the context of an intimate and reciprocal relationship with God.*
30:02 *📚 In the Old Testament, sin is not merely an ethical fault or disobedience of rules. It's a refusal to exist in intimate coexistence with God, an act that breaks the covenantal bond that God wants to forge.*
37:33 *📢 Despite being hurt by his beloved's absence, God endures, refusing to revoke His love. His love remains steadfast, enduring even the effects of sin and separation. This unequivocal display of love often leads to repentance.*
44:07 *☁️ Dr. Turek explains God's wrath as real, but being a form his love takes when faced with anything that contradicts and opposes His love. This wrath is expressed as God "hiding His face".*
51:02 *💔 Even when God hides His face, expressing His anger at sin, He remains nearby. The paradoxical act of revealing His displeasure while also accompanying His people even when they are far off from Him is explained.*
55:11 *⚖️ The converted partners must use their rekindled love to bear and address the effects of their sin. Their endurance and overcoming of the effects of sin contribute to their becoming the living image of God once again.*
58:00 *🌍 Here, Dr. Turek examines the exile of the Israelites as a metaphor for God's wrath and consistent proximity. Even as they are led away, God is present, ultimately seeking to draw them back towards himself.*
59:52 *🔍 The exilic experience of feeling abandoned by God is not an act of actual abandonment but a reflective experience, based on the consequences of sinful actions.*
01:00:30 *💔 The perceived abandonment by God is a means of allowing individuals to experience the consequences of their sins, not a genuine disengagement.*
01:01:44 *❌ The concept of atonement isn't simply about punishment for sins, but a process of healing and reconciling the relationship between God and His people, wherein God accompanies His beloved despite their mistakes.*
01:03:17 *🔄 Jesus' cry of "why have you forsaken me" is an expression of his experience of bearing the chief effects of sin; feeling distance from God.*
01:06:30 *💟 Atonement and repentance are not simply about sin and punishment but a process of mirroring God's love and ultimate forgiveness.*
01:09:31 *🚫While atonement acknowledges the weight of sin, it doesn't promote a narrative of violent punishment from God; divine wrath is to be understood as a form of strategic love aimed at conversion and reconciliation.*
01:11:46 *🔄 The work of atonement performed by Jesus is not the cause of God's love, but the result of it.*
01:13:29 *🕊️ The glory of God is found in his sons who live in love, mirroring the Father's image.*
01:15:19 *🌐 Secular societies often foster a feeling of God's absence, but in the face of this absence, the faithful are reminded to open their hearts to God and His omnipresence.*
01:24:07 *🔄 Christ's atonement does not displace us but re-emplaces us, re-establishing our place in God's covenant of love.*
01:27:30 *👨👧👦 The Spirit's work in us mirrors the Son's relationship with the Father, enabling us to do works of love before the Father. The concept of in-placement emphasizes empowerment rather than being pushed out.*
01:27:45 *🙌 The key message from the Trinity is 'I am for you', even in moments of sin, emphasizing the divine aim to extend infinite love to all.*
01:28:55 *⚠️ Dr. Margaret Turek emphasizes sin's serious nature, describing it as a superhuman force that attempts to thwart divine love.*
01:29:51 *🖼️ The host Keith acknowledges the compelling picture Dr. Turek presents about God across Old and New Testaments, specifically suffering and wrath, and how these perspectives fit harmoniously within the Catholic faith.*
01:30:46 *👏 Keith praises Dr. Turek's work for illuminating the 'wholeness' and coherency of Catholic faith pieces, an attribute he finds missing in other Christian perspectives.*
01:32:21 *💡 Dr. Turek highlights the coupling of different scripture pieces to reveal an unforeseen intelligibility and new interpretations, emphasizing the concept of 'both-and'.*
01:33:03 *🌸 Dr. Turek mentions St. Therese, a young woman who willingly suffered the subjective experience of God's absence for the benefit of atheists, giving glory to Christ and his father.*
01:34:25 *📚 The book 'Atonement: Soundings in Biblical, Trinitarian and Spiritual Theology' is suggested for a deeper understanding of the discussed topics. It's available on Amazon and Ignatius Press. Additional podcasts on the book might be currently planned.*
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Sorry. This is completely baffling. I just cannot follow it. And the lover/ Bride metaphor do not work together. God is not my lover, philo or otherwise. The language of two lovers coming to a climax in a dance feels offensive and demeaning of the love I feel as God as father/brother. The Church is the Bride in faithfulness. Let's leave Song of Songs imagery out of God's saving grace and love, please.
I agree. This is -sorry- a bunch of gobbledegook. The atonement is a mystery, yes, but one thru which the Scriptures and the words of the saints, becomes clear enough, understandable enough, for a man/woman to be saved. "the one love of God, through exceeding regard for men, did not regard us with hatred, nor thrust us away, nor remember our iniquity against us, but showed great long-suffering, and bore with us, He Himself took on Him the burden of our iniquities, He gave His own Son as a ransom for us, the holy One for transgressors, the blameless One for the wicked, the righteous One for the unrighteous, the incorruptible One for the corruptible, the immortal One for those who are mortal. For what other thing was capable of covering our sins than His righteousness? By what other one was it possible that we, the wicked and ungodly, could be justified, than by the only Son of God? O sweet exchange! O unsearc-hable operation! O benefits surpassing all expectation!" -The Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus
I think that once you read the book you may well find a less "earthly/worldly" analogy in her metaphors, and discover a more royal majesty that we in general are less likely to understand from our secularist life and understandings.