@@DawidDoesTechStuff also using some low graphics mods really helped me as the proxessor that i ran it on was an i3 2328m laptop processor. And the ram really hurt you here
If you wanted to learn how to design a game, draw a city etc. Just play any game on the HD-3000 and boom, it is slow enough you can see each frame and learn from it hah
@@lilsammywasapunkrock yeah I was surprised how bad the 3000 was, considering I used to use the stripped down HD 4000 in my pentium laptop back in the day (just called Intel HD Graphics in my Pentium 2020m)
I really like the focus lately on iGPUs and their gaming performance, there is huge potential here for more powerful iGPUS combined with FSR/DLSS/XeSS to become perfectly usable options for a majority of gamers. I think we will start to see this happen over the next few years, to the point that 4k60 may not be an unreasonable expectation on them.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Yeah, they're way ahead of intel so far, but then again they actually dedicate tons of die space to it in their iGPU products. I am curious if intel will ever release a true APU product with a ton of their new gpu cores on it...
@@kelownatechkid tiger lake is almost identical to amd performance in small form factor pcs and laptops it would be interesting to get it out on a desktop with a big cooler and get it to 5ghz with overclocked ddr 5 memory
@@kelownatechkid Intel do have such product, but they just refuse to put it into the desktop CPU. If you look at mobile CPU such as i7-11370H or i7-11390H, they have 96EU iGPU compare to our desktop CPU 32EU at best.
The fact that an Igpu can run any modern 3D game at an HD resolution while holding 60 fps is impressive in my eyes. It's like having a last gen console packed in your CPU.
Do not trust a Intel GPU to be much more then a last resort kind of thing. Just getting off Intel graphics have for the last 10 years made a world of difference when it comes to getting stuff to work for gaming. Can not speak of modern Intel but laptop gaming on Intel HD? Expect shading problems or down right unable to boot into stuff. But rarely is the Intel iGPU's not enough to brows the web or whatever more work/watch task. But after that your asking for trouble. Played Mafia 1 on a iGPU old laptop back in 2014 or whatever. So they are good for some gaming.
as a zoom enthusiast, I just kept hearing facepalm instead of facecam :D. btw 7x is good since memory bottleneck did not improve much .. was it ddr5? must google how power budget difference there is between the two.
The fact anything even ran on the old CPU was surprising, never mind UHD770 being 7x faster, iGPUs could barely run games that came out at the same time, which explains Half-Life 2 since it was 6 years old when the 2600K released.
I used to play HL2 on an Intel 945GM when my 8800GT died. It ran in DirectX 8 I think and all the textures looked too bright. It was still playable and I almost beat the entire game before finally getting a laptop back then that could do 720p at over 200FPS. Now I can do HL2 at 8K with no problems... Just don't really have any reason to. Tbh I'd be happier playing it on a CRT at 1024x768.
@@gtPacheko Everything I can find on 945GM says it's a chipset not Graphics and was released 4 years after Half-Life 2, but I only did a quick 30 second google search so I could be missing something.
DUDE I WAS LITERALLY HOPING YOU WOULD RELEASE SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!! In purchases my 12700k from Newegg but I couldn’t get a GPU, so Imm relying on iGPU until I can get a decent GPU which will probably be months… 😩
Running a 12600K myself, but I carried over a 2060 from an older build, these CPUs are fast though. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I am enjoying mine!
A service like GeForce Now is great for your situation. You can play a lot of games with good performance using it. Although it depends heavily on your region and internet. Good luck on your GPU hunt. 👍
if you've got 7th gen or older, the iGPUs don't even support VP9 decoding so your youtube videos are actually running on the CPU. Which in my case means I can't watch videos at more than 1080p 60 because the CPU is only so powerful
@@Rachit0904 You can install h.264ify to make everything load as h.264 (except then you're stuck with 1080p60 regardless. At least you'd be using less CPU)
If i remember correctly, intel never released proper drivers for anything before HD4000 for windows 8.1 and younger. An HD3000 should run considerably better on windows 7. I remember HL2 running quite a lot better on my sandy bridge laptop i3, but i could be mistaken
@@dyslectische I was not aware that sandy bridge xeons had IGPs. I doubt the drivers will work for a laptop, but i will try. I actually had moved to linux on my laptop for a while because of those drivers. And that's a sentence you won't hear often...
I think if they're not focused on making APUs competitive with graphics cards, then the industry is going to start lacking, because cpu makers know that you still need a processor, so they don't care about the performance, and they'd just as soon take your money for another part, the gpu.
No, it has nothing to do with the manufacturers not focusing on APUs or being greedy and wanting to sell you a GPU. The graphics silicon in an APU is a relatively small portion of the CPU die that was set aside to have a graphics chip that's sharing system memory. That is never going to have anywhere near the performance of a dedicated GPU which is as big of a piece of silicon as the entire CPU or bigger and has dedicated much faster RAM. Not only would that basically require adding the entire cost of a GPU to the price of the CPU it would also greatly increase the complexity and size probably making it much more expensive than buying a discrete GPU.
@@Ariannus In my opinion AMD is holding out on RDNA2 iGPUs for the PC market because they have contracts with Microsoft and Sony to supply them with HUGE amounts of them. Supplying that volume alone is already difficult. Once they can supply the consoles with chips easily, we may see PC varients pop up.
@@Ariannus nope it's name is alchemist and yea you're right it's like everything a computer already does imagine that, and it would use less silicon ... how is that a problem? oh right it's name is alchemist there is no excuse
Intel never supported HD 3000 with windows 10 drivers. That could explain the IGPU not running at the proper speed. I've heard it may be possible to install 7/8 drivers for Windows 10 although I've never tried it with my old laptop.
I tried gaming on an A6-3620 (quad-core) and I could get 60fps in HL2 at 1600x900. Predictably, it has a much better igpu while having a much worse cpu. Portal 2 also ran at 60fps at 900p with lower settings. I wish I could've tried GTA V. Something tells me I'd probably get roughly the same performance as the i7-2600K though.
I just want to say that I've just discovered your channel, and boy I really enjoyed myself watching every video. Has been a long time since I laughed that much. Thanks for making this content! 😁👌
I still want to see a comparison to AMD's integrated offerings, at least one of the Vega 3's in the 3000G or 220E, and hopefully one of the others in the more mid tier chips
Lmao, Vega absolutely obliterates the UHD770. AMD simple has twice the amount of GPU cores for their APUs vs Intel, i think the 3400G is very close to the GTX 1050 4GB.
For well over a decade (starting around 2002), trying to enable vsync on an Intel integrated GPU in OpenGL code would cause your app to crash. I had to write code that specifically looked for intel iGPUs and disable vsync to get around it. The newer iGPUs finally fixed the issue once they were moved over to the CPU package, but what an absolute shit show.
This is the sad state of the market: iGPUs are again becoming relevant due to the complete and utter catastrophe that is the GPU market, not even because we want to offer options to lower-budget gamers.
igpus will be a massive share of the market once they can achieve 1080p Ultra at native resolution. And that isn't very far off. I suspect Intel will jump on board with Meteor Lake or soon after, which is about the time that will be viable considering the current trajectories.
@@eclipsegst9419 Intel has to remove the iGPU from the main SoC die. For years they only had 16 EUs for the iGPUs as the max because you have the CPU cores on the same die and there isn't enough space.
@@eclipsegst9419 Would be kinda similar to AMD chiplet tech, but makes way more sense an iGPU tile or chiplet, then the rest on another one. That's is how Tiger Lake quad cores work (i think?), the main SoC (or CPU) chiplet, then the iGPU, by the way, those iGPUs are very impressive, on par with Vega.
@@saricubra2867 well yes, but they know that. They made my 5775c with a big igpu and an L4 cache and 2 dies. Which was a good idea but too costly for them to put on an i3 which is where it should have been. Meteor Lake uses Foveros and EMIB to have chiplets without the lions share of the penalties that usually come with them so it seems that would be a good time to start adding APUs to the lineup
@@saricubra2867 Tiger Lake chips with the big igpu are monolithic and top out at 6 cores. I believe Alder Lake will do the same. This would translate nicely to desktop, but i think the problem is demand for laptops is so high they can't afford to not use every one of those good dies for laptops if they can. The desktop market will look more appealing when APUs can do 1080p at high or ultra, and AMD starts stealing the entire low end. Which could happen pretty soon, i think Meteor Lake should offer APUs if they want to compete in that space. And with them making dgpus now i can't see them not wanting to compete across the whole market soon.
I remember playing Half Life 2 on a dell optiplex with gma965 or so graphics, with a P4 HT ad ddr3 1333 i think. Surprisingly ran well tho this was 2007 and a lighter version of the source engine, and Win xp of course. This was a work pc u gamed on in the office during lunch. It actually has an old S3 1MB pci video card for running the 2nd monitor lol
My old 2nd gen i7 laptop had HD 3000 graphics and could run Crysis 2 surprisingly well on lowest settings. It was the dx9 mode, and somehow had no texture filtering (like a PS1), but it wasn't noticeable without zooming in and the framerate was about as good as the console port. Though I think I was running 1600mhz ddr3, which might have helped.
even though the 12900k is a lot faster, what surprised me the most is actually the performance of the i7 3770 compared to the 2600k, if you go back and look at the benchmarks dawid made in the video where he upgrayed the Samsung All in one pc, the 3770 is like twice as fast than the 2600k 3770 2600k csgo 39/3.4 21/2 gtav 25.8/10.8 9/5 hl2 130.6/74.3 33/25
i7 3770K were paired with a significantly faster memory. Plus Ivy Bridge memory controller is so much better than Sandy Bridge. The bad thing about 3rd gen Intel is the beginning of the use of thermal poop instead of soldering the IHS to the die. Ivy Bridge is 9 years old now, the paste has definitely dried up and turned to flakes causing high thermals. I recently delided a 6 year old i5-4690K which is much recent than Ivy Bridge, I found the paste on the die turned to dried up flakes.
@@TheXlen That is in theory. However, I have delided other CPU from Intel 3rd gen to 6th gen, all the paste inside the IHS were hardened. They look more like cement flakes than thermal paste. You should try to delid 1 and see for yourself. It seems that the IHS is not actually 100% sealed shut.
@@fleurdewin7958 the main issue with paste under IHS is that the CPU cooks it every time you boot your system, that is partially what leads to hardening, the otjer factor is ventilation holes that will draw in some dust, basically thermal paste+dust+heat=hardened thermal paste
integrated graphics have always just been underwhelming. i'd love to have a super tiny pc, with just bare minimum components but .... not like this intel not like this
Umm no, on AMD side they have been pretty decent for a very long time, people just seem to forget that due to the fact that A series APUs are heavily CPU limited😬
I think the fact that you have to buy a $500 Intel CPU to get a usable igpu is stupid. AMD is way better in the iGPU market. Very excited for RDNA2 iGPUs.
@@TheXlen Even the A series have much better performance compared to their intel counterparts. A10 can basically run even modern AAA games on low settings. While intel's igu even on i7 struggles to even reach 30 fps on most games
@@DawidDoesTechStuff RDNA iGPUs should reach 1050-1650 performance tier and further on even get faster due to DDR5, PCIe4.0/5.0 and other optimisations
I, in fact use a HD4000. GPU prices curbstomped the ability for me to get a GPU. So i am stuck with the iGPU on my i5-3570k. (upgraded from a i3-3240 and basically the 2nd fastest Socket LGA1155 CPU). its good for Minecraft, World of Warplanes. and Geforce now. too low spec for RDR2, i miss that game and probably Teardown. i haven't tested any others. this pc is a massive upgrade over my Macbook pro 2010 and Ubuntu repurposed 10Zig Thin Client. But it still isn't very good, but lightyears more advanced than the Geforce 320m 256mb in my macbook and Intel Atom based graphics in my thin client. Dawid, have a good one, i love Canadians. your country is what i wish for in mine.
I still have my i7 2600k on a h61 mb with 16g ram Gtx 1060 6gb Still runs games fine you just need to set priority of the game to high and use timer resolution at 0.50
Love the side by side comparison to get a feel for what the hardware I actually still run looks like compared to the hardware I need to get. It also made me remember that First Person Shooter games give me a headache even with the little amount you showed.
ive been using an i5 with hd 4600 for about 2 years now and its served me well. 60fps on csgo, 40fps on bf4, not great performance but its playable and its enough for me.
By the way Voodoo 2 in SLI can run half life 2 if you use release release day build at lowest settings in directx 6 path (some driver tricary may be required)
To be fair, Intel specifically announced that they were putting no development into gaming for several years. Development for gaming only restarted, and then was first released, on the 10th gen and even that was more of an initial test run. So testing and comparing anything between 2011/12 to the end of 2019 is completely meaningless outside of video hardware acceleration, codec support, and things like that. Although if you are going to compare, it should have been with the hd4000 and no earlier to get the fairest results. The hd3000 has a basic old driver released by Intel to fulfil a contract with Microsoft - it was released in 2015 with no others since, and is considered a display driver with no guarantees on support or performance. Hd3000 is actually officially considered unsupported on Windows 10 by Intel and has been since Windows 10 was released.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff The HD4000 has 128 cores and 16 TMUs (compared to 96 and 12), adds dedicated lvl 3 cache, adds hardware tessellation, and improves DX11 compatibility as part of a redesign (probably one of the bigger redesigns before Intel stopped trying completely for years). It offers a decent performance increase in games and pure benchmarks like 3dmark, although obviously still only in less demanding games. Although I have seen people playing GTA V on low resolutions like 800*600 on the HD4000 and it be "playable" if you have nothing else - I saw a video of someone who disabled shadows and was hitting close to 30fps at 720p!! But I don't necessarily think using the HD3000 is a problem itself, it's just that the drivers are so bad due to the strange Intel not supporting but being forced to release something situation. So it might even be capable of more than your tests showed, if it had good drivers then it would be fair enough.
My igpu in i7-10750h is a beast but it stays disabled. I found that having my gtx 1660ti running through the igpu causes a massive 40-80 fps drop in some games as well as input lag. I tried using device manager to disable the igpu but I opted for the Lenovo vantage app to disable the igpu and it actually activated a 3rd connection port for my gtx 1660ti to display. So when I first got my laptop I was maxing at like 60 fps on normal on gta 5 and after I was hitting about 120 fps on ultra
I remember when I need to buy a new graphics card for hl2 and playing it for the first time with 2 two other friends and our jaws dropped at the graphics.
This bodes well for ultrabooks using the 12th gen intel processor when they come out. 720p may be potato resolution for a desktop monitor but it is perfectly fine on a 13" display like many modern laptops use. Driver support is still going to be an issue. Devs seem to recoil in terror and disgust at the notion of their masterpieces being run on something as lowly as an integrated GPU.
Thank you for having frametime graph in your videos as it provides better info on stability of performance (i think having it should be made mandatory for all benchmarking channels). However games selection should've featured more games from the era when 2600k was THE CPU to have to really see how far Intel iGPUs have come in terms of performance. And minus point for using non z chipset mobo for 2600k :( Also would be nice to see them put against Intel's Iris iGPUs and Ryzen iGPUs, just a thought though.
By the 2000s, I has a pentium 3 and by 2010, I had a q6600 and now I'm still going with my 2500k overclocked to 4.5ghz after 8 years or so, think a upgrade is on the horizon but my pc doesn't struggle for anything I use it for
Dawid it looks to be about right barring any system/driver issues. I would probably use the Ivy bridge i7 3770k 4000 as a starting point? Z77 board with 1866 /2133mhz ddr3? Cool video!
If I had to go with integrated on an Intel platform (mainly laptops at this point) I would opt for Intel Xe. For AMD I would go for the 5800H which, thankfully, more laptops are shipping with that config.
I'm fairly certain if you run the HD3000 on windows 7 it will run much better. The HD3000's drivers were never officially updated past windows 8, and many people have said that it does not get utilized fully under windows 10 even with the old drivers.
i remember running csgo smooth 60 fps with the HD3000 like 6 years ago and was atleast MG, along with TF2, Rocket league, Minecraft all running 60+ (tweaked it like an insane amount tho)
This has me wondering how that newer igpu does against older and newer AMD igpus. Since they've always seemed better I'd be curious how old of an AMD igpu you'd have to have to lose to the newer Intel one. Good video though 👍
someone told me that intel igp is easy to overclock as they either run or crash due to insufficient voltage, hence as long as the CPU fan can keep it cool enough at stable frequency and voltage, you're golden. given I no longer has intel platform, do you mind trying it out? would be great for budget build if that is true
and that old HD3000 was miles better than intel's GMA lineup i used to play on a GMA 3100 back in 2009~ (i was 9yo and played mostly RCT2/3, Read alert 2/3 and GTA VC/SA)
I was using an Intel i5 3380M with HD4000 graphics about a year and a half ago and was able to get was I considered fairly good performance from it. Minecraft 1.13 with no mods performed on 12+ chunks render distance with a consistent 60+ fps, Roblox (back in 2018 when I still played it) would get a consistent 60+ fps on max setting, and I even managed to get Fortnite (again when I used to play it a little) to run at around 30 fps minimum settings, all at 720p.
The HD 3000 ran Half Life 2 significantly better than my first experience with HL2. I remember playing it on my mom's all in one computer, with some really old and crap athalon in it. Those were the days.
I last bought a pc back in 2012. Upgraded it this year from i3-2120 to i5-4570, and GT 450 to GTX 1650 and from 8 GB 1333 MHz to 16 GB 1600 MHz RAM. 500 GB HDD to 2 TB SSD. It was of course another experience, but I was surprised of the lack of advances in the CPU department. Wasn't it until the arrival of Ryzen, that anything new happened in 10 years?
i5-4570 was released in 2013, not going to be a big upgrade from a 2011 i3, should look at the intel 10-12th gen or ryzen 3000-5000 series for a proper upgrade (granted, that will mean doing an entirely new build)
Not had any experience with the HD3000 but I did use my i7 4770's HD4000 iGPU for a while when I was having what turned out to be PSU issues and couldn't boot with my dedicated GPU. It did surprisingly well for the game I was actually playing. Could get BF4 running at a stable 40, ETS2 was playable even if it looked like shit, and something like Fistful of Frags naturally worked flawlessly.
Hey Dawid, I'd recommend if you have the time to compare the 12900k to a 12th gen Celeron, you might be surprised actually. Same if you compare a R3 3200g and an i3-10100 for example, Intel has been catching up these years in the iGPU department, they are still very far though but slowly it's getting better and better.
Would be interesting to see a comparison with AMD radeon iGPUs. AMD I think had a bit of a head start because ATI who they acquired got their start with iGPUs in the 90s. Dedicated GPUs were a later thing for them. Their GPUs performed pretty impressively when they were still built into the motherboard.
I would love to see old flagship CPU GPU Motherboard with max ram configs vs newer gens, to see the % increase in games across the board, it would proberly take like weeks to get the data but still nice to see the performance increase year vs year.
Funny you say HL2 can run on almost any hardware... I remember specifically upgrading my video card (AGP days) I think I got an x1300 or something because I wanted to have a playable experience in HL2 :D good old days >.
The first manufacturer, that will be launching a midrange CPU (price wise), with an iGPU that can offer GTX1070 performance, is going be the hero of the day. Especially in these troubled times we're in.
@@TheXlen They "could" do it tomorrow, if they wanted. But Intel is still lacking a bit of know-how and AMD doesn't want to cannibalize its GPU market.
This will be interesting considering the last intel chip i had, bought back in 2011 was the I7 2600K, great chip, got years out of it. The newest intel chip ive bought, the I5 12600K, had a ryzen 2700x in between. And funny enough, using the same motherboard i bought, along with 16gb 3600mhz ram. Testing the 12600k up against my old ryzen 2700x, its about a 35% increase i fps, which to me is quite a big boost.
Playing GTA V on an Intel 3000 should be considered productivity since it performs like a Powerpoint Presentation.
I ran it at 800x600 at high settings and go5 around 14 fps 😅
It really felt like one. 😅
@@DawidDoesTechStuff also using some low graphics mods really helped me as the proxessor that i ran it on was an i3 2328m laptop processor. And the ram really hurt you here
If you wanted to learn how to design a game, draw a city etc. Just play any game on the HD-3000 and boom, it is slow enough you can see each frame and learn from it hah
Nice
And back then the HD3000 was called "the first iGPU that's actually usable". You can imagine how bad the previous iGPUs were.
GMA 3100 *SHIVERS*
@@yotoprules9361 Hell, I was lucky to play GTA 1 and 2 on it and I tried Max Payne 1... playable but pretty bad looking.
Honestly, there's such a big improvement between a 3000 and 4000hd it's not even funny. If he started in the 4000, the gap would lessen considerably.
@@lilsammywasapunkrock yeah I was surprised how bad the 3000 was, considering I used to use the stripped down HD 4000 in my pentium laptop back in the day (just called Intel HD Graphics in my Pentium 2020m)
@@yotoprules9361 The HD 3000 was miles better than the GMAs but yeah the 4000 series and up were pretty good (as per the Anandtech articles).
I really like the focus lately on iGPUs and their gaming performance, there is huge potential here for more powerful iGPUS combined with FSR/DLSS/XeSS to become perfectly usable options for a majority of gamers. I think we will start to see this happen over the next few years, to the point that 4k60 may not be an unreasonable expectation on them.
I'm really excited for the future of igpus. I think AMD is going to win the race to beast igpus. They've been doing it well for years now.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Yeah, they're way ahead of intel so far, but then again they actually dedicate tons of die space to it in their iGPU products. I am curious if intel will ever release a true APU product with a ton of their new gpu cores on it...
@@kelownatechkid tiger lake is almost identical to amd performance in small form factor pcs and laptops
it would be interesting to get it out on a desktop with a big cooler and get it to 5ghz with overclocked ddr 5 memory
@@kelownatechkid Intel do have such product, but they just refuse to put it into the desktop CPU. If you look at mobile CPU such as i7-11370H or i7-11390H, they have 96EU iGPU compare to our desktop CPU 32EU at best.
@@fleurdewin7958 so what yout saying is bga mod when china gets to it
The fact that an Igpu can run any modern 3D game at an HD resolution while holding 60 fps is impressive in my eyes. It's like having a last gen console packed in your CPU.
I have dedicated graphics, but true, it's like having a backup pistol for your cool LMG.
Do not trust a Intel GPU to be much more then a last resort kind of thing. Just getting off Intel graphics have for the last 10 years made a world of difference when it comes to getting stuff to work for gaming. Can not speak of modern Intel but laptop gaming on Intel HD? Expect shading problems or down right unable to boot into stuff. But rarely is the Intel iGPU's not enough to brows the web or whatever more work/watch task. But after that your asking for trouble. Played Mafia 1 on a iGPU old laptop back in 2014 or whatever. So they are good for some gaming.
Ryzen 5600G/5700G have been my customers savior to get into Esports PC gaming. Surprised Intel finally made something decent with 12th gen.
it's still crap tho, 5600g is twice as fast in all games
@@tyre1337 Well obviously haha
Easy, a lot faster. You can do your homework now.
Smort
@@alexmaldonado3721 grease
Where’s the fun in that? 😂
Do your homework and then think about old igpus. 😁
Imagine my disappointment when the video sponsor wasn't Linode.
or velida
Soon my friends. Soon. LINODE will be back 😂
as a zoom enthusiast, I just kept hearing facepalm instead of facecam :D. btw 7x is good since memory bottleneck did not improve much .. was it ddr5? must google how power budget difference there is between the two.
You should try some modded driver like PHDGD now, it will bump the performance a bit for ancient igpus
This would be a great follow up video. I'd also like to see a vid on modded AMD drivers for old GPUs
The fact anything even ran on the old CPU was surprising, never mind UHD770 being 7x faster, iGPUs could barely run games that came out at the same time, which explains Half-Life 2 since it was 6 years old when the 2600K released.
But how old is GTA V?
I used to play HL2 on an Intel 945GM when my 8800GT died. It ran in DirectX 8 I think and all the textures looked too bright. It was still playable and I almost beat the entire game before finally getting a laptop back then that could do 720p at over 200FPS. Now I can do HL2 at 8K with no problems... Just don't really have any reason to. Tbh I'd be happier playing it on a CRT at 1024x768.
@@slimal1 9 years younger than Half-Life 2
@@Puremindgames oh I see. Thank you
@@gtPacheko Everything I can find on 945GM says it's a chipset not Graphics and was released 4 years after Half-Life 2, but I only did a quick 30 second google search so I could be missing something.
DUDE I WAS LITERALLY HOPING YOU WOULD RELEASE SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!! In purchases my 12700k from
Newegg but I couldn’t get a GPU, so Imm relying on iGPU until I can get a decent GPU which will probably be months… 😩
Am waiting for a gpu since I got my z390 e combo hahah, but next year I will be buying 12the gen upgrade.
Running a 12600K myself, but I carried over a 2060 from an older build, these CPUs are fast though. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I am enjoying mine!
A service like GeForce Now is great for your situation. You can play a lot of games with good performance using it. Although it depends heavily on your region and internet.
Good luck on your GPU hunt. 👍
its the same story with every generation lately.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I would totally be on something like GeForce now....if my internet wasn't 1mbps.
YAY HE FINALLY DID SOMETHING WITH THE 2600K! Christmas came a little early this year! Thank you, Dawid!
It's such a legendary CPU.
Frankly I'm still genuinely shocked when the intel IGPU reliably plays youtube videos, let alone video games.
if you've got 7th gen or older, the iGPUs don't even support VP9 decoding so your youtube videos are actually running on the CPU. Which in my case means I can't watch videos at more than 1080p 60 because the CPU is only so powerful
@@Rachit0904 You can install h.264ify to make everything load as h.264 (except then you're stuck with 1080p60 regardless. At least you'd be using less CPU)
If i remember correctly, intel never released proper drivers for anything before HD4000 for windows 8.1 and younger. An HD3000 should run considerably better on windows 7.
I remember HL2 running quite a lot better on my sandy bridge laptop i3, but i could be mistaken
Funny is that the E3 1275 use other Igp drivers . And yes that run . Its the same cpu like the i7 2600k.
@@dyslectische I was not aware that sandy bridge xeons had IGPs. I doubt the drivers will work for a laptop, but i will try. I actually had moved to linux on my laptop for a while because of those drivers. And that's a sentence you won't hear often...
was probably a 1376x768 screen res though....
I think if they're not focused on making APUs competitive with graphics cards, then the industry is going to start lacking, because cpu makers know that you still need a processor, so they don't care about the performance, and they'd just as soon take your money for another part, the gpu.
No, it has nothing to do with the manufacturers not focusing on APUs or being greedy and wanting to sell you a GPU. The graphics silicon in an APU is a relatively small portion of the CPU die that was set aside to have a graphics chip that's sharing system memory. That is never going to have anywhere near the performance of a dedicated GPU which is as big of a piece of silicon as the entire CPU or bigger and has dedicated much faster RAM. Not only would that basically require adding the entire cost of a GPU to the price of the CPU it would also greatly increase the complexity and size probably making it much more expensive than buying a discrete GPU.
@@Ariannus eh yes and no. Used to have an FX cpu back in the day and I could play BF4 on medium settings 40-50fps no stutters
@@Ariannus also only costed about $180 or something I forgot. With the market today, nothing is literally worth the price.
@@Ariannus In my opinion AMD is holding out on RDNA2 iGPUs for the PC market because they have contracts with Microsoft and Sony to supply them with HUGE amounts of them. Supplying that volume alone is already difficult. Once they can supply the consoles with chips easily, we may see PC varients pop up.
@@Ariannus nope
it's name is alchemist
and yea you're right it's like everything a computer already does
imagine that, and it would use less silicon ... how is that a problem?
oh right
it's name is alchemist
there is no excuse
it would be interesting to see the same done for amd igpus
I've recently built a 2200g system and I'm massively impressed how capable modern on board graphics are.
And AMD's next-gen APUs will have RDNA 2 graphics. Fingers crossed they'll be another leap.
Intel never supported HD 3000 with windows 10 drivers. That could explain the IGPU not running at the proper speed. I've heard it may be possible to install 7/8 drivers for Windows 10 although I've never tried it with my old laptop.
Excellent video! Would love to see the equivalent with AMD APUs :)
I tried gaming on an A6-3620 (quad-core) and I could get 60fps in HL2 at 1600x900. Predictably, it has a much better igpu while having a much worse cpu.
Portal 2 also ran at 60fps at 900p with lower settings. I wish I could've tried GTA V. Something tells me I'd probably get roughly the same performance as the i7-2600K though.
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I just want to say that I've just discovered your channel, and boy I really enjoyed myself watching every video. Has been a long time since I laughed that much. Thanks for making this content! 😁👌
I still want to see a comparison to AMD's integrated offerings, at least one of the Vega 3's in the 3000G or 220E, and hopefully one of the others in the more mid tier chips
Lmao, Vega absolutely obliterates the UHD770. AMD simple has twice the amount of GPU cores for their APUs vs Intel, i think the 3400G is very close to the GTX 1050 4GB.
I have a 3200g with Vega 8 graphics, 720p gaming with good fps in a time like this. While I wait for a gpu.
For well over a decade (starting around 2002), trying to enable vsync on an Intel integrated GPU in OpenGL code would cause your app to crash. I had to write code that specifically looked for intel iGPUs and disable vsync to get around it. The newer iGPUs finally fixed the issue once they were moved over to the CPU package, but what an absolute shit show.
Good ol' Vsync. Causing problems since as early as I can remember.
Dawid is the perfect example of not subscribing to the content, but subscribing to the person.
Would like to see a comparison between the UHD 770 and Intel Iris Xe graphics in an ultrabook or similar laptop.
"Is it as big as you'd expect?" - Dawid, 2021
Out of context quotes are the best.
This is the sad state of the market: iGPUs are again becoming relevant due to the complete and utter catastrophe that is the GPU market, not even because we want to offer options to lower-budget gamers.
igpus will be a massive share of the market once they can achieve 1080p Ultra at native resolution. And that isn't very far off. I suspect Intel will jump on board with Meteor Lake or soon after, which is about the time that will be viable considering the current trajectories.
@@eclipsegst9419 Intel has to remove the iGPU from the main SoC die.
For years they only had 16 EUs for the iGPUs as the max because you have the CPU cores on the same die and there isn't enough space.
@@eclipsegst9419 Would be kinda similar to AMD chiplet tech, but makes way more sense an iGPU tile or chiplet, then the rest on another one.
That's is how Tiger Lake quad cores work (i think?), the main SoC (or CPU) chiplet, then the iGPU, by the way, those iGPUs are very impressive, on par with Vega.
@@saricubra2867 well yes, but they know that. They made my 5775c with a big igpu and an L4 cache and 2 dies. Which was a good idea but too costly for them to put on an i3 which is where it should have been. Meteor Lake uses Foveros and EMIB to have chiplets without the lions share of the penalties that usually come with them so it seems that would be a good time to start adding APUs to the lineup
@@saricubra2867 Tiger Lake chips with the big igpu are monolithic and top out at 6 cores. I believe Alder Lake will do the same. This would translate nicely to desktop, but i think the problem is demand for laptops is so high they can't afford to not use every one of those good dies for laptops if they can. The desktop market will look more appealing when APUs can do 1080p at high or ultra, and AMD starts stealing the entire low end. Which could happen pretty soon, i think Meteor Lake should offer APUs if they want to compete in that space. And with them making dgpus now i can't see them not wanting to compete across the whole market soon.
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Great find sir. I expected more from the HD3000.
These tests reveal why I need to upgrade some my hardware. LOL
Great video ... made my Saturday morning! :)
it would have been great if you tested the quicksync speed of these 2 igpus for video editing
I remember playing Half Life 2 on a dell optiplex with gma965 or so graphics, with a P4 HT ad ddr3 1333 i think. Surprisingly ran well tho this was 2007 and a lighter version of the source engine, and Win xp of course. This was a work pc u gamed on in the office during lunch. It actually has an old S3 1MB pci video card for running the 2nd monitor lol
My old 2nd gen i7 laptop had HD 3000 graphics and could run Crysis 2 surprisingly well on lowest settings. It was the dx9 mode, and somehow had no texture filtering (like a PS1), but it wasn't noticeable without zooming in and the framerate was about as good as the console port. Though I think I was running 1600mhz ddr3, which might have helped.
even though the 12900k is a lot faster, what surprised me the most is actually the performance of the i7 3770 compared to the 2600k, if you go back and look at the benchmarks dawid made in the video where he upgrayed the Samsung All in one pc, the 3770 is like twice as fast than the 2600k
3770 2600k
csgo 39/3.4 21/2
gtav 25.8/10.8 9/5
hl2 130.6/74.3 33/25
In this case, HD3000 is heavily VRAM limited
i7 3770K were paired with a significantly faster memory. Plus Ivy Bridge memory controller is so much better than Sandy Bridge. The bad thing about 3rd gen Intel is the beginning of the use of thermal poop instead of soldering the IHS to the die. Ivy Bridge is 9 years old now, the paste has definitely dried up and turned to flakes causing high thermals. I recently delided a 6 year old i5-4690K which is much recent than Ivy Bridge, I found the paste on the die turned to dried up flakes.
@@fleurdewin7958 well actually paste doesn't dry up and well in a sealed environment it should be doing pretty ok for a really long time
@@TheXlen That is in theory. However, I have delided other CPU from Intel 3rd gen to 6th gen, all the paste inside the IHS were hardened. They look more like cement flakes than thermal paste. You should try to delid 1 and see for yourself. It seems that the IHS is not actually 100% sealed shut.
@@fleurdewin7958 the main issue with paste under IHS is that the CPU cooks it every time you boot your system, that is partially what leads to hardening, the otjer factor is ventilation holes that will draw in some dust, basically thermal paste+dust+heat=hardened thermal paste
I still love the way you present the sponsor, love the vids better/different vibe than most of the tech tubers. 👍
Idea for a part 2, What is the difference between a similar separation for a CPU/GPU combo?
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I must say that I like your video's a lot more then those of folks like Linus Tech Tips. Keep up the good work!
Then don't watch them and watch him instead?
@@retaora4281 that's what I'm doing
How about a video comparing Ryzen APU graphics to the top tier graphic cards of 10, 15, and 20 years ago?
Man i remember rocking one of these Intel HD 3000s a couple years ago
I remember running the OG Counter Strike on Pentium 3 and 4 machines in High School.
integrated graphics have always just been underwhelming.
i'd love to have a super tiny pc, with just bare minimum components
but .... not like this intel
not like this
Umm no, on AMD side they have been pretty decent for a very long time, people just seem to forget that due to the fact that A series APUs are heavily CPU limited😬
I think the fact that you have to buy a $500 Intel CPU to get a usable igpu is stupid. AMD is way better in the iGPU market. Very excited for RDNA2 iGPUs.
@@TheXlen Even the A series have much better performance compared to their intel counterparts. A10 can basically run even modern AAA games on low settings. While intel's igu even on i7 struggles to even reach 30 fps on most games
@@DawidDoesTechStuff RDNA iGPUs should reach 1050-1650 performance tier and further on even get faster due to DDR5, PCIe4.0/5.0 and other optimisations
@@suiken3149 yeah, but A series weak side always was the CPU which is an issue in most titles
Id like to see you pit the new Intel iGPU against a 4790k and the 6400 iGPU. That era was pretty epic, I bet it puts up a way better fight.
I, in fact use a HD4000. GPU prices curbstomped the ability for me to get a GPU. So i am stuck with the iGPU on my i5-3570k. (upgraded from a i3-3240 and basically the 2nd fastest Socket LGA1155 CPU). its good for Minecraft, World of Warplanes. and Geforce now. too low spec for RDR2, i miss that game and probably Teardown. i haven't tested any others. this pc is a massive upgrade over my Macbook pro 2010 and Ubuntu repurposed 10Zig Thin Client. But it still isn't very good, but lightyears more advanced than the Geforce 320m 256mb in my macbook and Intel Atom based graphics in my thin client. Dawid, have a good one, i love Canadians. your country is what i wish for in mine.
I still have my i7 2600k on a h61 mb with 16g ram
Gtx 1060 6gb
Still runs games fine you just need to set priority of the game to high and use timer resolution at 0.50
Glad to see you overclocked it this time
I was expecting the difference to be bigger. But that's because I was expecting HD 3000 to perform a lot worse.
some form of "DLSS" + iGPU = INSANE
the HD 3000 brought a squeaky toy to a knife fight in this colossal battle of titans
Love the side by side comparison to get a feel for what the hardware I actually still run looks like compared to the hardware I need to get. It also made me remember that First Person Shooter games give me a headache even with the little amount you showed.
ive been using an i5 with hd 4600 for about 2 years now and its served me well. 60fps on csgo, 40fps on bf4, not great performance but its playable and its enough for me.
I used to play cod 4 and 5 using Intel HD 3000 and it was fun playing even if it was my first laptop without a gpu. Also played l4d 2 as well.
HD 2500 was my daily driver in 2014...on my laptop now days it's an HD 5500. It lets me play some old games at 720p.
great video man. the program that tells you the things in left corner, what is it cald?:D
By the way Voodoo 2 in SLI can run half life 2 if you use release release day build at lowest settings in directx 6 path (some driver tricary may be required)
It ends up looking like half life 1 though.
To be fair, Intel specifically announced that they were putting no development into gaming for several years. Development for gaming only restarted, and then was first released, on the 10th gen and even that was more of an initial test run.
So testing and comparing anything between 2011/12 to the end of 2019 is completely meaningless outside of video hardware acceleration, codec support, and things like that.
Although if you are going to compare, it should have been with the hd4000 and no earlier to get the fairest results. The hd3000 has a basic old driver released by Intel to fulfil a contract with Microsoft - it was released in 2015 with no others since, and is considered a display driver with no guarantees on support or performance. Hd3000 is actually officially considered unsupported on Windows 10 by Intel and has been since Windows 10 was released.
Isn't the HD 4000 just a rebrand of the HD 3000? I was doing research into it and they seemed to be the essentially the same iGPU.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff The HD4000 has 128 cores and 16 TMUs (compared to 96 and 12), adds dedicated lvl 3 cache, adds hardware tessellation, and improves DX11 compatibility as part of a redesign (probably one of the bigger redesigns before Intel stopped trying completely for years).
It offers a decent performance increase in games and pure benchmarks like 3dmark, although obviously still only in less demanding games. Although I have seen people playing GTA V on low resolutions like 800*600 on the HD4000 and it be "playable" if you have nothing else - I saw a video of someone who disabled shadows and was hitting close to 30fps at 720p!!
But I don't necessarily think using the HD3000 is a problem itself, it's just that the drivers are so bad due to the strange Intel not supporting but being forced to release something situation. So it might even be capable of more than your tests showed, if it had good drivers then it would be fair enough.
My igpu in i7-10750h is a beast but it stays disabled. I found that having my gtx 1660ti running through the igpu causes a massive 40-80 fps drop in some games as well as input lag. I tried using device manager to disable the igpu but I opted for the Lenovo vantage app to disable the igpu and it actually activated a 3rd connection port for my gtx 1660ti to display.
So when I first got my laptop I was maxing at like 60 fps on normal on gta 5 and after I was hitting about 120 fps on ultra
I remember when I need to buy a new graphics card for hl2 and playing it for the first time with 2 two other friends and our jaws dropped at the graphics.
I would like to see the what the difference would be with a new igpu. Like 6th or 7th gen Intel.
This bodes well for ultrabooks using the 12th gen intel processor when they come out. 720p may be potato resolution for a desktop monitor but it is perfectly fine on a 13" display like many modern laptops use. Driver support is still going to be an issue. Devs seem to recoil in terror and disgust at the notion of their masterpieces being run on something as lowly as an integrated GPU.
Thank you for having frametime graph in your videos as it provides better info on stability of performance (i think having it should be made mandatory for all benchmarking channels).
However games selection should've featured more games from the era when 2600k was THE CPU to have to really see how far Intel iGPUs have come in terms of performance.
And minus point for using non z chipset mobo for 2600k :(
Also would be nice to see them put against Intel's Iris iGPUs and Ryzen iGPUs, just a thought though.
By the 2000s, I has a pentium 3 and by 2010, I had a q6600 and now I'm still going with my 2500k overclocked to 4.5ghz after 8 years or so, think a upgrade is on the horizon but my pc doesn't struggle for anything I use it for
Dawid it looks to be about right barring any system/driver issues. I would probably use the Ivy bridge i7 3770k 4000 as a starting point? Z77 board with 1866 /2133mhz ddr3? Cool video!
If I had to go with integrated on an Intel platform (mainly laptops at this point) I would opt for Intel Xe. For AMD I would go for the 5800H which, thankfully, more laptops are shipping with that config.
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I'm fairly certain if you run the HD3000 on windows 7 it will run much better. The HD3000's drivers were never officially updated past windows 8, and many people have said that it does not get utilized fully under windows 10 even with the old drivers.
What CPU cooler were you using? I'm not familiar with that.
i remember running csgo smooth 60 fps with the HD3000 like 6 years ago and was atleast MG, along with TF2, Rocket league, Minecraft all running 60+ (tweaked it like an insane amount tho)
Try adding different external graphics to i7-2600k to see what it takes to match UHD770.
About a 750 ti 80$ used card and boom dx12 and faster rates quarter the price
Great idea for a video. It would have been great to see how they improved over time, but you’d probably need a team of people to put that together.
This has me wondering how that newer igpu does against older and newer AMD igpus. Since they've always seemed better I'd be curious how old of an AMD igpu you'd have to have to lose to the newer Intel one. Good video though 👍
someone told me that intel igp is easy to overclock as they either run or crash due to insufficient voltage, hence as long as the CPU fan can keep it cool enough at stable frequency and voltage, you're golden.
given I no longer has intel platform, do you mind trying it out? would be great for budget build if that is true
Probably won't see this but I love your videos man, keep up the good work!!
Some time ago I was playing gta 5 on computer with i3 3225 with intel hd 4000 and what i remember it was quite playable
It's nice to see Intel is making better iGPUs. The last one I tried (UHD 620) was still garbage.
and that old HD3000 was miles better than intel's GMA lineup
i used to play on a GMA 3100 back in 2009~ (i was 9yo and played mostly RCT2/3, Read alert 2/3 and GTA VC/SA)
I was using an Intel i5 3380M with HD4000 graphics about a year and a half ago and was able to get was I considered fairly good performance from it. Minecraft 1.13 with no mods performed on 12+ chunks render distance with a consistent 60+ fps, Roblox (back in 2018 when I still played it) would get a consistent 60+ fps on max setting, and I even managed to get Fortnite (again when I used to play it a little) to run at around 30 fps minimum settings, all at 720p.
Was not expecting to see BFV 720pLow around 60fps on a integrated GPU. Quite impressive.
when you announced your video sponsor and it ended up being elgato, i was disappointed that it wasnt ''linooooode'' xD
David end of last year I was playing and finished FC3 and Metro last light on my old laptop with i5 4300u 8gb ssdand had 20-25 playable fps
Dawid should revisit HD 4600 some day. I have that on my laptop and it's okay for some older titles.
Igpu vise the hd3000 was just bareable. The big breakthrough was in skylake igpu. The hd4600 was the first really good igpu.
The HD 3000 ran Half Life 2 significantly better than my first experience with HL2. I remember playing it on my mom's all in one computer, with some really old and crap athalon in it. Those were the days.
Interesting stuff, you should totally do the same type of vid with AMD igpu's...
I last bought a pc back in 2012. Upgraded it this year from i3-2120 to i5-4570, and GT 450 to GTX 1650 and from 8 GB 1333 MHz to 16 GB 1600 MHz RAM. 500 GB HDD to 2 TB SSD.
It was of course another experience, but I was surprised of the lack of advances in the CPU department. Wasn't it until the arrival of Ryzen, that anything new happened in 10 years?
i5-4570 was released in 2013, not going to be a big upgrade from a 2011 i3, should look at the intel 10-12th gen or ryzen 3000-5000 series for a proper upgrade (granted, that will mean doing an entirely new build)
But is the new iGPU as good as a dedicated GPU from 10 years ago ?
Next time make the same video with AMD iGPU
I whould love to see this, but i think this will not happen because Dawid is a Intel Fanboy.
I've seen a test, AMD is much faster, 50 to 100%.
My Vega 8 can run BFV, no issues.
My vega 5 can only handle 05-06 games.
@@microtasker Vega 8 are super cool. Mine runs a ton of games that I do not even think it can!!
and don't forget to include intel as a comparison of how bad their igpus are
Egato Facecam, I'm surprised Facebook didn't think of that!
Not had any experience with the HD3000 but I did use my i7 4770's HD4000 iGPU for a while when I was having what turned out to be PSU issues and couldn't boot with my dedicated GPU. It did surprisingly well for the game I was actually playing. Could get BF4 running at a stable 40, ETS2 was playable even if it looked like shit, and something like Fistful of Frags naturally worked flawlessly.
Hey Dawid, I'd recommend if you have the time to compare the 12900k to a 12th gen Celeron, you might be surprised actually.
Same if you compare a R3 3200g and an i3-10100 for example, Intel has been catching up these years in the iGPU department, they are still very far though but slowly it's getting better and better.
OLD IS GOLD
Would be interesting to see a comparison with AMD radeon iGPUs. AMD I think had a bit of a head start because ATI who they acquired got their start with iGPUs in the 90s. Dedicated GPUs were a later thing for them. Their GPUs performed pretty impressively when they were still built into the motherboard.
i have an i7-7700 should i upgrade to the new i7?
Never thought my close friends will outperform me
you should start testing your stuff with GZDoom running Doom 2 as well. that would probably a ball park the HD 3000 could hang out in.
I would love to see old flagship CPU GPU Motherboard with max ram configs vs newer gens, to see the % increase in games across the board, it would proberly take like weeks to get the data but still nice to see the performance increase year vs year.
Funny you say HL2 can run on almost any hardware... I remember specifically upgrading my video card (AGP days) I think I got an x1300 or something because I wanted to have a playable experience in HL2 :D good old days >.
very entertaining video :)
what about UHD 770 VS VEGA 11? or Vega 8? that would be interesting considering the age gap between them :D
The first manufacturer, that will be launching a midrange CPU (price wise), with an iGPU that can offer GTX1070 performance, is going be the hero of the day. Especially in these troubled times we're in.
That's some 3-4 years from what AMD can do rn, well unless we're talking about custom dies for consoles...
@@TheXlen They "could" do it tomorrow, if they wanted. But Intel is still lacking a bit of know-how and AMD doesn't want to cannibalize its GPU market.
@@drumsmoker731 not really, they don't really have the tech to add 400% performance without making it draw 400W
By Moore’s Law, If the performance doubles every 18 mts, 30fps should equate to about 1920fps over 10 years right?🤔
It's always nice to have an iGPU, at least your pc is usable for basic tasks if your gpu drops the ball.
This will be interesting considering the last intel chip i had, bought back in 2011 was the I7 2600K, great chip, got years out of it. The newest intel chip ive bought, the I5 12600K, had a ryzen 2700x in between. And funny enough, using the same motherboard i bought, along with 16gb 3600mhz ram. Testing the 12600k up against my old ryzen 2700x, its about a 35% increase i fps, which to me is quite a big boost.
7:02 hey i had one of those