Eric Bischoff SHOOTS On If Bobby Heenan SPOILED nWo Surprise!

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  • čas přidán 30. 11. 2023
  • Eric Bischoff speaks exclusively to Inside The Ropes about whether or not Bobby Heenan spoiled the surprise of the nWo forming as Hulk Hogan ran down the ramp in WCW! Subscribe to the channel for more clips of our live shows and interviews, and don't forget to like and comment too!
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  • @InsideTheRopes
    @InsideTheRopes  Před 6 měsíci +19

    Did Bobby make the right call on commentary? Let us know in the comments below!

    • @hitfan2000
      @hitfan2000 Před 6 měsíci +15

      Of course he did. It was always consistent with Heenan's character that he would hate on Hulk Hogan. The entire controversy is just something that was manufactured by the internet fans.
      Moreover, Heenan wasn't told that Hulk Hogan was about to turn into a bad guy.

    • @SupaNatural28
      @SupaNatural28 Před 6 měsíci +9

      Yea he did. Like bischoff said "out of the 1000 times he said that about Hogan, he was right once". 😂😂😂😂. If you listen to Bobby over the years against Hogan, he always said something like that. Heenan's heel character never liked Hogan.

    • @65if2007
      @65if2007 Před 6 měsíci

      I don't know that he didn't inadvertently give it away, but if he didn't know, he can't be blamed for it. Hogan as NWO heel did go way over, so certainly, there was no adverse long-term effect.

    • @billywhitewolf
      @billywhitewolf Před 6 měsíci +1

      What Heenan said just made sense. Nash and Hall had a third guy who hadn't shown up and why would Sting, Luger, and Savage need more help when it was already 3 on 2? It would've been better in hindsight had he not said it but it made sense for him to say it.

    • @patrickperalta59
      @patrickperalta59 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Heenan's character has always hated Hogan..so to question why Hogan is out there who's side he was on was the right thing for him to do.......I was not suprised when Hogan came out and turned Hell at the time I was one of few fans who knew hogan was a heel at start of his career. I had read about his history years earlyer. plus the Heenan character hated Hogan... what was a bit of a suprise at the time was Heenan still hateing Hogan dispite his heel turn......any other face wrestler who turned heel Heenan would go from hateing them to cheering them for the heel turn Heenan didn't do that with Hogan. he still in character hated Hogan.

  • @marcespinoza6068
    @marcespinoza6068 Před 6 měsíci +247

    For anyone whos ever listened to Heenan on commentary this call was normal for him. Heenan hates Hogan and made calls like this all the time in WWF, he would question Hogan's actions all the time and Gorilla Monsoon would always reply with "will you be serious"!

    • @wanmanrmy
      @wanmanrmy Před 6 měsíci +18

      Exactly, people totally missed that. They should have had Heenan gloat a bit (“I told you all he was no good for years” etc.) to make it more obvious but other than that it was solid logically.

    • @SupaNatural28
      @SupaNatural28 Před 6 měsíci +6

      People who haven't listen to him in WWF wouldn't think of that. He was the heel color commentator. He said thst about every face in WWF and WCW.

    • @IHateNicolasCage
      @IHateNicolasCage Před 6 měsíci +10

      “Will you stop!”

    • @mermaidmeeple1608
      @mermaidmeeple1608 Před 6 měsíci +12

      Yep. Him NOT saying that would’ve given it away

    • @MatsThyWit
      @MatsThyWit Před 6 měsíci +7

      This is the exact kind of call that would have gotten a big "Are you kidding me?!" Or "Will You Stop?!" from Gorilla Monsoon back in the day. This is what Bobby did. To me that actually completely sells the moment.

  • @mrjayshah
    @mrjayshah Před 6 měsíci +107

    The fact that Bobby was preaching against Hogan heavily for that preceding decade+ makes his words prophetic in retrospect. It helped set the stage for how staggeringly surreal Hogan's presence in black and white proved to be.
    Heenan was perfect.

    • @DrugzMunny
      @DrugzMunny Před 6 měsíci +3

      Heel commentators always paint the babyfaces as heels. And in pro wrestling, ultimately most of the heels and babyfaces switch sides at some point. So this sort of "prophecy" is bound to happen over and over if you're allowing it a 10-year timeline.

    • @mrjayshah
      @mrjayshah Před 6 měsíci +5

      @@DrugzMunny True, especially now when you have more frequency in babyface-to-heel turns (and vice-versa). Certainly at that time, Hogan turning heel was inconceivable.
      The prophetic element of it is really in their lengthy history together, even prior to Heenan commentating. Hogan finally showed his true colours to everyone EXCEPT Heenan, who saw it all along.
      It's hilarious because I was re-watching in 2021 the WCW/nWo boom of 1997. On commentary during one of the Nirtros, I caught Heenan saying in response to Schiavone's lambasting of the nWo during a group beatdown: "I actually like them. I like their style. I just don't like Hogan." Just thorough Hogan hatred, what an amazing thread.

    • @aluminumsalmongames6277
      @aluminumsalmongames6277 Před 6 měsíci

      Or in the case of Big Show, it happened once every few months. @@DrugzMunny

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 Před 5 měsíci

      4D 20/20 hindsight - I like it!!!

    • @mrjayshah
      @mrjayshah Před 5 měsíci

      @@RyTrapp0 You can only connect the dots looking backward. Anything that's predictive or prophetic can only be proven so AFTER the event in question has taken place.
      Heenan seemed completely off-base - until it happened. Which is why, to Eric's point, anyone watching Heenan prior to the turn moment wouldn't have expected it.
      On another, cooler note, Heenan's antipathy towards Hogan especially during his nWo days really helped make the angle feel that much more real. All the commentators were unified in their hatred of Hogan, even Heenan, who was naturally the heel commentator. No matter your stripes, you hated Hogan, which presumably would help to influence the fan-base as well.

  • @nabilmekkaoui1174
    @nabilmekkaoui1174 Před 6 měsíci +77

    The call didn’t ruin the surprise for anyone. This seems to be something that people have made a bit of a deal about this in the years after but in the actual moment, this was a standard Heenan call and nobody would have thought Hogan was the third man.

    • @georgepapoulias3562
      @georgepapoulias3562 Před 6 měsíci +8

      Well said. Can’t believe this keeps coming up. If anything it would’ve seemed suspicious if Bobby wasn’t skeptical of Hogan’s intentions.

    • @bobmarshall8527
      @bobmarshall8527 Před 6 měsíci

      Spot on

    • @romacechina
      @romacechina Před 6 měsíci +1

      Hindsight bias from people who either forget of Heenan's years of shitting on Hogan or who wasn't there when it happened that no one ever believed Hogan would ever turn heel after being a face for over a decade. Which is why him turning heel was such a big shock and why it's so remembered along with it being the offical start of the NWO.

    • @119Agent
      @119Agent Před 4 měsíci +2

      Definitely hindsight bias. Nobody was tipped off by Heenan at the time. It actually helped that Heenan was bashing Hogan seconds before his heel turn.

    • @zeromagnum2811
      @zeromagnum2811 Před 3 měsíci

      I did as soon as he came out before Heenan spoke. He came out and i was like, oh shit its Hogan.

  • @essj3334
    @essj3334 Před 4 měsíci +5

    I remember when Heenan yelled "Yeah but who's side is he on?" It did in the moment make you wonder if Hulk would turn his back on WCW. As Bischoff highlighted the backstory of Heenan/Hulk story from WWF days is he always hated Hulk and always questioned him. Also if you remember after Hulk makes the turn Heenan says something like "What have I been telling you all these years".

  • @deelove7518
    @deelove7518 Před 6 měsíci +38

    If you understand the history between Heenan and Hogan going back to the awa days, then you wouldn't have a problem with it. He didn't spoil anything

    • @cutekanjii
      @cutekanjii Před 6 měsíci

      Hogan himself said he spolied it

    • @deelove7518
      @deelove7518 Před 6 měsíci +8

      @@cutekanjii and you believe the biggest liar in professional wrestling. The same guy who said taker injured him. 😭😭

    • @magilla2282
      @magilla2282 Před 6 měsíci +6

      ​@@deelove7518also the same guy who said he wrestled in front of Elvis when Elvis died before Hogan even started to wrestle.

    • @mikebottomlesspitdunham2954
      @mikebottomlesspitdunham2954 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@magilla2282 also also the same guy who said that he was the guy WWE put in the ring with Brock Lesnar when he first came back after UFC.

    • @oldironsides4107
      @oldironsides4107 Před 4 měsíci

      I love Bobby but he blew that call.

  • @mrbransformer4184
    @mrbransformer4184 Před 6 měsíci +14

    That’s always Bobby’s character. He was always against Hogan.

  • @jeremyhorne1997
    @jeremyhorne1997 Před 6 měsíci +12

    Bobby's commentary was perfect. Because it made him sound like a heel commentator. So when Hogan turned heel, Heenan turned f baby face announcer and became Goldberg's biggest supporter in the announcing booth. It was perfect. It was so perfect that I always thought Heenan knew.

  • @williamsmith8497
    @williamsmith8497 Před 6 měsíci +43

    This 'controversy' must've been started by little kids. This was actually Heenan's greatest moment. He had been telling us for over a decade that Hogan was a POS and he was proven right. They should've played that up more. It would actually be strange if Heenan wasn't suspicious.

    • @boscopit
      @boscopit Před 6 měsíci +2

      Yeah, I've only seen this issue come up in the last 10 years.

    • @ElizaOrlinsStan
      @ElizaOrlinsStan Před 6 měsíci +3

      Hogan complained about it in WWE documentaries back in the early 2000s about Heenan almost ruining the biggest WCW angle ever. The influx of podcasts and stuff like that made it more discussed recently. Hogan is the first person I ever heard whine about it

    • @williamsmith8497
      @williamsmith8497 Před 6 měsíci +2

      @therealyanksup Hogan also complained about Undertaker dropping him on his head when footage shows that's false. He's a self-serving POS (like Bobby always said). I'm not downing the kids, there's no way for them to really understand. They didn't see Heenan take digs at Hogan week after week in two different companies. If you're older than me, add the AWA to that list. That turn happened when I was 19-20. And I can vividly remember listening to Heenan drag Hogan when I wore the zip-up onesie pajamas and couldn't touch the stove 🤣. That's how far back it goes. Completely expected.

    • @TeganCantEven
      @TeganCantEven Před 6 měsíci +1

      He even says “what have I been saying all these years?!”

    • @creoleDJ
      @creoleDJ Před 4 měsíci

      @@TeganCantEven I loved that part! It’s like he had to regain his composure from the shock of the actual heel turn & get back into his usual “You can’t trust Hogan” mode! 🤣

  • @xjp1998
    @xjp1998 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This is funny as a person who saw all this go down live. The way Bobby went nuts when Hogan turned it was not scripted. For over 9 years Bobby had said Hogan was faking it, and when it happened, he jumped out of his chair screaming that he was right all along. You could never have planned a better story like that to go that long and have it happen the way it did. That was truly a magical moment and you could tell from just how Bobby was talking. It really was Magical.

  • @MrPerfect2000Z
    @MrPerfect2000Z Před 6 měsíci +50

    The answer will always be no...at the time
    Heenan was always the one to be suspicious of Hogan. Through AWA, WWF and WCW, Heenan always made Hogan out to be less than a hero
    To me, if Heenan all of a sudden started praising Hogan or would be like "Oh thank god Hogan's here"...I'd be immediately suspicious

    • @chuckfriedricegaming8578
      @chuckfriedricegaming8578 Před 6 měsíci +3

      All the way back to the WWF day he always bashe Hogan, lol

    • @Hoovie9596
      @Hoovie9596 Před 6 měsíci

      Well said

    • @creoleDJ
      @creoleDJ Před 6 měsíci +2

      Newscaster: “Here’s footage of Hulk Hogan, being wheeled out on a stretcher, having dived in front of president Reagan to prevent Reagan’s assassination. Let’s hope Hogan has a speedy recovery from this heroic act.”
      Bobby Heenan: “But why did he REALLY do it? Hogan’s got something up his yellow sleeves! You see, he’s just trying to get on Reagan’s soft side, acting like he saved his life to do something to him later!”

    • @adamzullo3624
      @adamzullo3624 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes and had Heenan Known he was the third man he wouldn’t have accused him. That might’ve tipped me off because Heenan never gave Hogan any credit. By the way, best commentator in wrestling history. He was simply the best.

    • @magilla2282
      @magilla2282 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@creoleDJHogan has never had sleeves.

  • @ElwoodBruise39
    @ElwoodBruise39 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Anybody who slanders Bobby Heenan for what he said is clearly under the age of 40. Like Bischoff said, Heenan's questioning of Hogan's motives was a major part of his character for 10+ years. Also, like Bischoff says here, this was the one time Heenan was right. And maybe, just maybe, he had been right all along. That entire sequence, both in and out of the ring, was perfectly executed.

  • @user-zm5ic1ul2q
    @user-zm5ic1ul2q Před 6 měsíci +8

    Bobby Heenan was (in my opinion) one of the greatest wrestling stars. When you look back at the Heenan family in WWF he created more heat than anyone and always made the matches more anticipated. Then when he got behind the desk and was given the time to talk he dropped more one liners than any comic at that time. And still had heat. Is probably the most underrated man for what he brought to the business. For the record, he loved working with Hogan because he made more money than with anyone else

  • @PeteLooksTerrible
    @PeteLooksTerrible Před 6 měsíci +19

    They deleted Bobby’s line from one of the WWE DVDs and it really pissed me off. It felt so natural for Bobby to question Hogan. It fit the moment perfectly. Unnecessary removal.

    • @creoleDJ
      @creoleDJ Před 4 měsíci

      Huh? Never knew that! Which line did they delete?

    • @PeteLooksTerrible
      @PeteLooksTerrible Před 4 měsíci

      Originally as hogans walking out, Bobby says “Whose side is he on?”
      Then Dusty says “what are you talking about?!”
      I forgot which dvd I was watching, either the nWo dvd produced by wwe or hulk hogan the ultimate anthology. Had to be one of those. Weird ommision.

    • @creoleDJ
      @creoleDJ Před 4 měsíci

      @@PeteLooksTerrible oh, okay. Didn’t know that. Doesn’t make sense for the WWE to do that.

  • @billwebber400
    @billwebber400 Před 6 měsíci +10

    God bless Bobby Heenan you are missed sir❤

  • @creoleDJ
    @creoleDJ Před 6 měsíci +1

    I would’ve loved to see cameras on the broadcasters’ faces when it happened! Dusty & Toney’s look of shock, awe & disdain; and Heenan’s “Wow! He really IS the third man after all!” reaction…THAT would’ve been golden!

  • @jeffreymitchell3220
    @jeffreymitchell3220 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Eric is such a smart man great respect for him!☠

  • @TheHannibalTV
    @TheHannibalTV Před 5 měsíci +1

    Bobby was a great commentator

  • @AlienFrequency
    @AlienFrequency Před 6 měsíci +26

    Heenan was the greatest commentator and manager of all time IMO.

    • @Bucky-hendersen-troutguy
      @Bucky-hendersen-troutguy Před 5 měsíci

      I agree

    • @Stubbla
      @Stubbla Před 5 měsíci +1

      He was a good wrestler too.....

    • @AlienFrequency
      @AlienFrequency Před 5 měsíci

      @@Stubbla I've heard that. I guess by the time I started watching, his wrestling days were mostly behind him. What timeframe, company etc would I search on Peacock, if I want to see his matches?

    • @SAnd-pd1ou
      @SAnd-pd1ou Před měsícem

      Absolutely...and Piper was best with stand up Mic

    • @AlienFrequency
      @AlienFrequency Před měsícem

      @@SAnd-pd1ou agreed.

  • @user-pk3zw7mb8w
    @user-pk3zw7mb8w Před 6 měsíci +1

    Heenen was the GOAT of managers. Top 10 promo too

  • @neil2905
    @neil2905 Před 5 měsíci +1

    loved Schiavone and Heenan in WCW.

  • @DudeLovesHorror76
    @DudeLovesHorror76 Před 6 měsíci +12

    Bobby made the right call, just Heenan's history in WWF alone of talking smack on Hogan. Made it real.

    • @L4-295
      @L4-295 Před 5 měsíci

      ‘Real’

    • @wastedforever6762
      @wastedforever6762 Před 5 měsíci

      Everything Bobby Heenan ever said about Hogan was the truth. Lol

  • @namikstudios
    @namikstudios Před 6 měsíci +4

    It's easy to say that Bobby spoiled it when rewatching it now with the knowledge of what actually happens but for live viewers it was different.

  • @jamiewiesner135
    @jamiewiesner135 Před 5 měsíci +3

    The Bobby Heenan "Yeah but whose side is he on?" is one the most memorable commentary calls of all time.

  • @keithw43
    @keithw43 Před 4 měsíci

    I always felt like Heenan had some sort of relief in his voice. He knew for years Hulk was the bag guy. He tried to warn us. Heenan saying that shows he was the only one that truly saw it coming

  • @stenzel27
    @stenzel27 Před 4 měsíci

    I was 16 years old when Hulk became Hollywood. I was "smart" to the business at this point. I grew up watching Hulkamania run wild. When Heenan made that call it was exciting either way, because I never thought they would pull the trigger on anything like that. I don't think I'm alone when I say that I wanted Hulk to turn heel, but wasn't really sure if it was going to happen. It was literally the biggest event in all of wrestling. For me it wasn't just about that moment, it was about where they were going afterward.

  • @A.ITakeovers
    @A.ITakeovers Před 10 dny

    There's a lot of guys in the wrestling business that I raise my eyebrows on and don't trust but I can honestly trust eric on almost everything he says that he is one hundred percent telling the truth

  • @moik5185
    @moik5185 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Heenan hated this format of not being in on the storylines. He liked adding humor to his color commentary, and not having to worry about what was _generally_ gonna happen made that alot easier. It freed his mind to add _color_ as it came to him..

    • @drvn8
      @drvn8 Před měsícem

      True he didn't like it, but it actually worked in his favor. This was an excellent call for Heenan, a shining moment actually.

  • @sethwetzel974
    @sethwetzel974 Před 3 měsíci

    I'm so happy to hear you say that Eric. Bobby was the greatest commentator in the history of it all. Period. Mike Tenay is second best.

  • @ej55033233
    @ej55033233 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Monsoon Voice: GIVE ME A BREAK

  • @smyersfishingadventures
    @smyersfishingadventures Před 4 měsíci

    One of the few times I can say I agree with Bischoff 100%. It was exactly how Heenan should have called it. It was in line with his character and his history of questioning Hogan.

  • @mopsandmuscles7855
    @mopsandmuscles7855 Před 5 měsíci

    Bobby Heenan, Vince McMahon and Gorilla Monsoon were the voices from my childhood watching wrestling in the 80s

    • @stenzel27
      @stenzel27 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Jesse Ventura was pretty great at the desk too

  • @Georgia_Outlaw_Vinyl
    @Georgia_Outlaw_Vinyl Před 6 měsíci

    At almost the same time I said the same thing to my cousin I was watching it with. He gave me a look as if I’d lost my mind.

  • @knection1986
    @knection1986 Před 4 měsíci

    The only ppl who claim this were ppl that never heard Heenan's commentary on Hulk b4 that moment.

  • @champlainscrap6076
    @champlainscrap6076 Před 5 měsíci

    Bobby saying that makes total sense since he was saying stuff like that since the 80's when it comes to Hogan

  • @korban381
    @korban381 Před 6 měsíci

    Bobby Heenan was probably the greatest ever. I thought how that went was perfect with the commentary! I remember watching that as a kid. It was so awesome!

  • @NathanDewey11
    @NathanDewey11 Před 6 měsíci

    Lol that's perfect, all those years of doubting the sincerity of Hulk paid off hehe

  • @palaceofwisdom9448
    @palaceofwisdom9448 Před 6 měsíci

    Heenan had such a great rant afterward, how he had warned everyone for years that Hogan was no good but they called him a weasel and told him to shut up. The moment was his vindication.

  • @lifeasafanpodcast9529
    @lifeasafanpodcast9529 Před 5 měsíci

    What Eric didn't say is Bobby was the funniest guy ever and truly amazing at what he did

  • @onilara4602
    @onilara4602 Před 5 měsíci

    This is the best analogy I’ve heard about any commentary in any sports!

  • @2ndlifecustomsAdam4
    @2ndlifecustomsAdam4 Před 6 měsíci

    J.R and the King were absolutely great together!! BOBBY was probably #1

  • @creoleDJ
    @creoleDJ Před 6 měsíci +3

    So is anyone gonna talk about how Heenan regained his composure enough to come with the “You see?! What have I been telling you humanoids about Hogan for all these years??” or are y’all still convinced he purposely sabotaged the surprise?

  • @itsyourlastrolo
    @itsyourlastrolo Před 6 měsíci +1

    That call was never out of place for Heenan, so nobody batted an eyelid when he said it.

  • @ant4158
    @ant4158 Před 6 měsíci +2

    If you knew the history of Heenan and Hogan, Heenan hated Hogan, he was always against Hulk Hogan, so for Heenan to say "Whose side is he on" isn't a spoiler, it wouldve been more suspect if Heenan said "I would've never thought i'd be happy to see Hogan" at Bash at the Beach

  • @ej55033233
    @ej55033233 Před 6 měsíci +3

    I thought it added to it. He always thought Hogan was a snake. They had history in main event WWF programs. Can’t pretend that didn’t exist.

  • @ironman2326
    @ironman2326 Před 6 měsíci +1

    2:47 you mean those brass knucks that don't look like brass knucks but we'll call them brass knucks anyway?

  • @jodavey
    @jodavey Před 6 měsíci +2

    You had to know the Heenan mistrust of Hogan their entire Kayfabe careers. Did not surprise me

  • @Jviix
    @Jviix Před 5 měsíci

    I always remember Heenan saying that , and comments on the comment section pointing out Heenan was right , that’s when I started listening to the commentary

  • @desertraider8628
    @desertraider8628 Před 6 měsíci

    I remember watching it as a kid and his comment didnt spoil it for me

  • @BrianJamesShanley
    @BrianJamesShanley Před 6 měsíci

    If Hogan was about to save 5 puppies from a burning building, Heenan would comment, “But what’s his angle?”. It’s just how he always spoke of Hogan, as a heel announcer.

  • @acerimmer8338
    @acerimmer8338 Před 6 měsíci

    Bischoff is so right. Commentators should have little to no idea what's going to happen. Make it organic, 'real'.

  • @Trancymind
    @Trancymind Před 4 měsíci

    The Shockmaster sure did.

  • @IHateNicolasCage
    @IHateNicolasCage Před 6 měsíci +5

    Those that think he jumped the call has never really listened to Heenan. He always called people as secretly being heel because he was a heel.

    • @FuckYoutubeAndGoogle
      @FuckYoutubeAndGoogle Před 6 měsíci

      Just because he did it before doesn't mean it was right to do it then.

  • @jamesbyersmusic
    @jamesbyersmusic Před měsícem

    What I thought ACTUALLY spoiled it somewhat, was "Mean" Gene interviewing Hogan.
    I think had the PPV ended just with the three of them posing/celebrating in the ring (Still of course with Schiavone's "straight to hell" line) then that would have been a much stronger moment and a fantastic cliffhanger.
    Then people would have to wait and would WANT much more strongly to hear Hogan "explain himself" on the following Nitro.
    Having the interview there and then just dilutes the moment somewhat for me.

  • @jamestrivett4910
    @jamestrivett4910 Před 3 měsíci

    Bobby heenan is a wrestling national treasure rip miss him wish we could have him again today's wrestling we have to put up with the like of c Graves who makes rob bucklet look good

  • @redplanet667
    @redplanet667 Před 3 měsíci

    In a way what really happened that night was Bobby was finally proven right about Hogan, after years and years of being wrong about him he was finally proven right, Hogan finally turning heel really validates Heenan as the only one who “knew all along”

  • @KeyIntelMedia
    @KeyIntelMedia Před 4 měsíci

    Amazing story

  • @mitube4u
    @mitube4u Před 4 měsíci

    I didn't even know this was an issue. To me it was Heenan being Heenan and it was natural hate for Hogan to question which side Hogan was on.

  • @renafan3333
    @renafan3333 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Ridiculous. There were 5 minutes left to the show,why else would he be going to the ring? Why did no one ever say Randy Anderson ruined the surprise when he put three fingers up and asked "Are You The 3rd Man?"

  • @AJRESH6
    @AJRESH6 Před 5 měsíci

    I was there in the moment and it was right on par for questioning Hogan, One... because at the time EVERYONE was a suspect on being the third member. And Two, Bobby was a heel announcer at the time. It is something he would have said. I think it would have been telling if he pretended to believe Hogan was siding with Macho.

  • @TheWorstAmy-LegacyAccount
    @TheWorstAmy-LegacyAccount Před 6 měsíci +1

    I wonder if, had Rhodes or Schiavone had said something to the effect of, "Well, even a broken clock is right at least once a day," after the turn, or anything that would in some form acknowledge Heenan's history of casting Hogan in a suspicious light through the previous years, it would absolve Heenan in the eyes of anyone who had a problem with that call. I personally see nothing wrong with it.
    Besides that, personally, I think the call of the night is Schiavone's sign-off XD
    "For Bobby 'the Brain' Heenan... for Dusty Rhodes... Gene Okerlund... I dunno... I'm Tony Schiavone - Hulk Hogan, you can go to hell! We're outta here. Straight to hell!" So much disgust and indignance in his voice in that moment!

  • @Shizzmoney74
    @Shizzmoney74 Před 4 měsíci

    I liked it when he said, "whose side is he (Hogan) on?". He kinda went back into the WWE "The Brain" mode, with a babyface twist. WWE "The Brain" hated Hogan and always called him a phony, and went Hogan actually went heel to NWO, it made it hilarious when Bobby goes, "Of course he's the 3rd guy! That's who he is!"

  • @azapro911
    @azapro911 Před 6 měsíci

    Made total sense for Heenan to doubt Hogan's intentions, considering their storyline history. Schiavone immediately cuts him off with "What are you talking about?!", reflecting the audience's expectation that Hulk will save the day again.

  • @basslife2248
    @basslife2248 Před 6 měsíci

    Nobody is sharper then Bobby Heenan

  • @troymoitt5248
    @troymoitt5248 Před 6 měsíci

    Erick is and always was a brilliant guy

  • @kevnb3
    @kevnb3 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Heenan always questioned hogan, all the way back to the 80s. Why would he say anything different? The other announcers should have reacted better though.

  • @MeLoNHeAd00
    @MeLoNHeAd00 Před 2 měsíci

    I loved wcw when eric ran it !

  • @edgarmalone7694
    @edgarmalone7694 Před 2 měsíci

    I remember seeing that and if you think about it; it added to the story. Heenan had always hated Hogan and build the "Heenan Family" to destroy Hogan in WWE. So it seem like Bobby had been right about Hogan all those years when it happen. I mean that was the greatest turn in wrestling history and everyone a part of it played their part well.

  • @coldworldkel
    @coldworldkel Před 6 měsíci

    Just cuz he’s dead, doesn’t mean he never f’d up. He completely spoiled it for me and a lot of wrestling fans I know.

  • @geraldcooper284
    @geraldcooper284 Před 2 měsíci

    Heenan and Hogan had a rivalry for 30 years. Heenan would never give Hogan full credit for anything. Asking which side Hogan was on was perfectly in character and in proper context.

  • @monsterheel4895
    @monsterheel4895 Před 6 měsíci

    Bobby was just being Bobby.
    He was a heel announcer.

  • @j.d.6915
    @j.d.6915 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Bobby and Hulk feuded since their days in the AWA, which began in '81, which means for 15 years, Bobby had been ragging on Hulk. Like Eric said, "This time Bobby just happened to be right."

  • @AxeDharme
    @AxeDharme Před 6 měsíci

    People keep saying he "spoilt it" because of 1) Hindsight, knowing what would happen 2) Watching it in a vacuum.
    None of us who were watching the PPV thought for a single second that something was amiss. Heenan doubting Hogan was second nature, it's what he has been doing for over 9 years at that point. The literal reaction was
    "Whose side is he on? Lmao really Bobby? Isn't it obvious Hogan is here to save the day?"

  • @westyraviz
    @westyraviz Před 6 měsíci

    Based on Eric Bischoff’s correct assessment of Bobby Heenan’s dislike and antagonistic relationship towards Hulk Hogan, Heenan’s reaction when Hogan was walking out would rather have been “Here’s Hogan trying to make it about him by saving the day…this doesn’t concern him…this is not his business.” But instead he says “But whose side is he on.” I think he either suspected or actually knew what was going to happen. Or are we to believe that Hogan, Hall, or Nash didn’t tell anyone? Or that Sting and Macho Man were in the dark about what would transpire? The reality of life is that the moment you tell a secret to more than one individual, then it’s no longer a secret.

  • @jrichard88
    @jrichard88 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Exactly. Heenan and Hogan had been on-screen foes since their time in the AWA. Heenan was always questioning Hogan’s motives and painting him as a disingenuous glory hog. So anyone who heard that line that night I don’t think would’ve questioned anything for a second because it was such a well established trope that Heenan hated Hogan.

  • @Predators--cz2fb
    @Predators--cz2fb Před 6 měsíci

    It as typical Bobby. Nobody thought Hogan was going to turn henceforth why he said it. He’s been a storyline villain of Hulk since the 80’s.

  • @KrygonTheMaster
    @KrygonTheMaster Před 5 měsíci

    I'm glad Eric cleared that up, Idk why people think Bobby ruined anything.
    As someone who has been watching since the mid/late 80's (yes im old shutup) Bobby ALWAYS tried to make the good guys look bad.
    That was just part of his job. And since Hogan was always the super baby face of company back then, Bobby leaned on his commentary that much more.
    Why stop doing what consistently worked and was part of what made him great?

  • @SupaNatural28
    @SupaNatural28 Před 6 měsíci +4

    People who haven't listened to him in WWF wouldn't think of that. He was the heel color commentator. He said that about every face in WWF and WCW. Vince and Gorilla Monsoon always hit him with (Vince THATS ENOUGH or Gorilla's WILL YOU STOP!!)

  • @sdd619
    @sdd619 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The problem with Hogan turning heel. Bobby Heenan became a babyface announcer. I feel Bobby Heenan showing have joined the nWo & started cheering for Hogan on commentary.😊

  • @ganglabesh
    @ganglabesh Před 6 měsíci

    it did take away from the moment, because he was saying what was about to happen

  • @michaelmagyar5785
    @michaelmagyar5785 Před 6 měsíci

    No, It was unthinkable at the time that he was the third man and that was on brand for the Brain 😂

  • @schechku19
    @schechku19 Před měsícem

    Bobby had “it”…every time.

  • @RyanRumbles434
    @RyanRumbles434 Před 5 měsíci

    Heenan hated Hogan in the 80s. I thought nothing of it in 1996. Fit in just fine. 🤣

  • @mazzoanV2
    @mazzoanV2 Před 5 měsíci

    I think that his statement made it more unpredictable. In today's products if the commentators were all saying the same thing that would have given the game away

  • @joeadgie4188
    @joeadgie4188 Před 5 měsíci

    That was part of his character. It would have been strange if Heenan had praised Hulk Hogan all of a sudden after YEARS of being anti-Hogan in character.

  • @everyonelovesmajima
    @everyonelovesmajima Před 6 měsíci

    It's 2023 and we're complaining about continuity in storytelling. Heenan was right about Hogan from the start.

  • @barfo281
    @barfo281 Před 20 dny

    Corey Graves, despite his many flaws, is the closest we'll ever get to a modern Bobby Heenan announcer.

  • @richk1306
    @richk1306 Před 6 měsíci

    At the time it didn't spoil anything. It made perfect sense considering Heenan/Hogan history. I watched it live and it didn't even register. But today I'd be ok with some revisionist history and cut it out of the streaming version of BATB 96 😂

  • @MikeWh0
    @MikeWh0 Před 4 měsíci

    Agreed Bobby was always pushing on Hogan turning heel for anything he did lol, reminds me of when Shawn Michaels kicked Janetty through the glass and Heenan says Shawn never kicked him it was Janetty jumping through it trying to run away lmao

  • @MoneyMac219
    @MoneyMac219 Před 6 měsíci

    Bobby was being Bobby. He spoke against Hogan his whole career.

  • @hyakushiki9438
    @hyakushiki9438 Před 5 měsíci

    Sounds like people binge watching Nitro on peacock for the first time are giving that criticism. If they would watch 94/95 WCW, let alone older WWF, they would understand this is his thing. If Bobby didn’t say that stuff, that would be suspicious!

  • @nicktaylor2657
    @nicktaylor2657 Před 6 měsíci

    I don't think it ruined the moment It was a logical question to have since Hall and Nash third man hadn't shown up It was still a shocking moment that changed wrestling forever

  • @jaredbrady5566
    @jaredbrady5566 Před 6 měsíci

    In retrospect and zero context, yes it's could be seen as a bad call.
    On the night however, with Hogan and Heenan's history, and the fact that no one would ever expect Hulk to turn on WCW. No, in fact it's even better.
    As as Eric said, Bobby didn't even know.

  • @phenomblitz8676
    @phenomblitz8676 Před 6 měsíci

    It would have been weird if the Weasel DIDNT doubt Hogan

  • @josamaroo
    @josamaroo Před 6 měsíci

    The best way to put it is Heenan was Wild E. Coyote and Hogan was the Roadrunner.
    Heenan's whole existence in WWE as a manager was based around chasing Hogan for the championship but always coming up short. Just imagine Paul Heyman managing a heel Brock Lesnar, a heel Roman Reigns, a heel CM Punk and several other top stars all at the same time against a World Champion like John Cena but never legitimately winning the World Championship and that would be Bobby Heenan's entire run in WWE. Yes he did represent Flair when he was the Champion in 92 but the Heenan Family stable was over and Bobby was focused on commentary while also being a consultant to Flair on the side. Mr. Perfect was Flair's manager. And yes Andre won the title with a fake referee that had plastic surgery to look like the real referee but that decision was overturned. Heenan never could beat Hogan when it mattered and everyone knew it so he carried that resentment towards Hogan with him his entire career as a color commentator and always made jabs like that towards Hogan.

    • @jamess9623
      @jamess9623 Před 6 měsíci

      Correction, The Andre decision was not overturned. Andre won the world title. Afterwards(which was within minutes) he attempted to sell the title to the Million Dollar Man. That is what was voided and it was ruled that when he attempted to do that he had voluntarily vacated the title. So Andre was the champion, but at the time MDM was acting as his manager not Heenan. MDM had paid Heenan off. On a side note, that angle was great, they got Dave Hebner's twin brother Earl who was also a Ref but for a different promotion to portray the fake doppleganger ref and they end up with two Dave Hebners in the ring at the same time and it was explained as being orchestrated by MDM and his deep pockets.

  • @ElizaOrlinsStan
    @ElizaOrlinsStan Před 6 měsíci

    I was a 7 year old and that actually added to moment. I watched every show so even at 7 i thought obv the person coming out when there's a 3rd mystery partner that everyone is talking about like huge deal was Hogan when he walked out. Heenan made me think twice.

  • @mikejejenich-pb5zx
    @mikejejenich-pb5zx Před 5 měsíci

    Dusty shut him down quick. 🤣👋

  • @unclelloyd
    @unclelloyd Před 6 měsíci

    The only person I've ever heard criticize Bobby for that comment is Hogan himself, who should've been (and probably is) smart enough to know that was just Heenan heeling on him like he always did (as Bischoff notes). Why Hogan would say it the way he did on whatever documentary it was where he basically accuses Heenan of spoiling the moment though is something only Hogan knows. I doubt he truly believes that, but as always, he has a personal agenda behind everything he says.

  • @itz-luigi1210
    @itz-luigi1210 Před 6 měsíci +1

    As someone who watched it live...
    It didn't matter. That's bobby, he always did it. Fact was, no one believed it was a possibility. Hogan turning heel, I remember where I was when it happened. It changed nothing. It was Bobby doing Bobby. It's a non issue. It's revisionist history. Scott Hall is the only one I can think of who ever brought it up and that wasn't until 10 or 15 years later

  • @tun-tunninc.6492
    @tun-tunninc.6492 Před 5 měsíci

    I always wondered why WWF never spoke ill of Bobby, yet they made fun of hogan, savage and mean gene...