NVIDIA Reflex Latency Analyzer - First Look
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- čas přidán 12. 10. 2020
- The upcoming 360Hz monitors which have NVIDIA's Reflex Latency Analyzer built right into the display promise to allow gamers to quickly and easily measure system latency.
Let's take a look.
Correction: The monitor is an Asus PG259QN*R* as you can see in the OSD at 2:28
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Sorry if that video feels rushed.
Customs loves me so much that they hold on to my packages for as long as they possibly can, which in this case meant I got it just barely before the embargo ended.
So to release the video today some midnight oil had to be burned and todays lunch break between meetings had to be sacrificed. 😅
I hope you still find the information in this first look video useful.
*edit* the monitor is an Asus PG259QNR as you can see in the OSD at 2:28
The reflex latency analyzer is already built in Asus PG259QN monitor? I thought asus wanted to release this feature in Asus PG259QNR. Am I mistaken?
@@Ironmeen that is my fault. :(
2:28 as you can see in the OSD of the monitor it's the Asus PG259QNR
You are a gift to the PC gaming community Chris. Honestly thank you so much
Any day I see a new battle nonsense video is a good day
To be fair the national customs is probably overworked at the moment, if other shipping businesses can toll the packages themselves that is normally a much faster service
please explain what did activating system latency in game like warzone
Every time I watch a Battle(non)sense video I'm so excited for the well timed outro music to kick in :D (content is much appreciated too!)
dude i love you so much. thanks for all the info and commitment!
Excellent Job. Chris, It'll be interesting to see how different scenarios affect all of this. CPU bound workloads vs GPU etc.
Appreciate the hard work keep it up!
It would be dope to see that mouse latency list
Pro trick: you can watch series on InstaFlixxer. I've been using it for watching a lot of movies recently.
@Simon Dane Definitely, been watching on InstaFlixxer for years myself :D
as always, excellent technical information. it adds up to my knowledge. I am gratefull for that.
Nice! Been waiting for this one!
Chris, You are awesome keep up the awesome work!
Wonderful work Chris! I really love your input-lag videos, this NVIDIA's Reflex Latency Analyzer is incredible! Maybe in future it will be available in other monitors like 1440p 240hz or symply 1080p 240hz? Thanks a lot
I do hope that in the future we will find RLA in cheaper monitors with lower refresh rates. If you don't need more than 144 or 240Hz then RLA is still as useful feature to measure/optimize the latency of your system.
Great video, thanks. :)
It would be a great addition to implement controller compatibility with this feature. There are many competitive controller gamers that would hugely benefit from a tool such as this one, latency has always been a big focus topic in controller gaming
Great video
great video. as a fighting game player this excited me, however, seeing as it only recognizes mouse, i would've liked to ask nvidia to expand support for controllers, as well. this way we could test input delay in non-kb+m games, and i'm of course especially thinking of for fighting games, where each frame difference matters. i would like the ability to verify input delay for different fighters across the board.
Awesome Video as usual. Id like to ask you if youd consider to redo your Tarkov Test Video, i think it could be beneficial for the games health. Much love and stay healthy
As always and since bf3 you are what the gamers need even though they are not aware of it. Thank you for the amazing job
Wouldn't it make more sense to measure something more consistent and instant like ammo count rather than semi-random and ambiguous like muzzle flash, which also deals with animation to kick in, and how long the animation lasts to get to the bright flash itself. It might not be a huge difference but if you're this dedicated I dont understand why something so vague was chosen rather than something obvious and consistent like ammo counters.
I would appreciate a comparison between total latency of Gsync ON + Vsync ON with fps capped below refresh (say 355) vs uncapped fps in titles were you can get above 360 fps in. This should provide even more substantiation to your previous statements on gsync adding negligible input lag
Would be great if there was a way to measure mouse sensor motion delay as well
It would be nice if AMD had a similar feature, as we need an alternative (especially for Linux)
@@wykeless It's just a latency reducer feature, not especially a latency analyzer per se
For Linux, maybe in a couple of years at least.
There's not really a demand on Linux because how many comp games even run on Linux... Fortnite doesn't, CSGO (kind of does no 3rd party clients so not good enough for competitive play) so I am not going to count that. League kind of does through wine, so that leaves just Dota 2 as the only game with native Linux support if I am not mistaken...
I know this will piss people off, I'm just saying not even 5% of comp gamers would play their games on Linux so who would use an already niche product on Linux...
@@gypsyvirgin5644 Only competitive games that are online-only don't work on Linux (perfectly). Most Linux users don't really want to play those games anyway most of the time, as they go against the whole Linux philosophy. Fortnite is fully online dependent and has a lot of anti-consumer features so I wouldn't play it even if it was on Linux. Same with Valorant, with it's spyware anti-cheat. CS:GO on the other hand works perfectly on Linux, and you can even host your own servers for it or use competitive games (like FaceIt without any kind of invasive anti-cheat client) without any troubles. All the games I play work perfectly on Linux, most even better than under Windows performance-wise.
@@uiopuiop3472 Yeah but my point is this targetted at comp gamers, to be a competitive player some of these 'work' on Linux but realistically your going to use windows. I use Linux on my laptop for uni (dual boot with windows) but I don't game on it. 360hz is kind of pointless for single player games, I'd much rather play on a 4k 120hz or 1440p 240hz for single player. And as comp game dota 2 is the only one that I think works perfectly so it's a niche product, and only really has a good use case on a couple of games. It's not really worth Nvidia nor the manufacturers time and effort to implement these features on Linux.
I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, I am just saying I don't think they will at least not any time soon.
The only annoying thing about windows gaming is games in Linux have instantaneous alt-tabbing most windows games don't.
I bought the QnR , they made the latency usb jack Red for distinction
Apparently RLA is slightly lower due to measuring the frame from the gpu being rendered out to the monitor or some thing not from it being 6-10% brightness from the monitor itself or something using the LDAT
Yes, RLA does not provide the exact same results as LDAT because of how it is designed.
However the results are so close that for what it is intended to be used for _(gamers measure how much delay they get in a game)_ it is more than sufficient. :)
So can this tool be used with wireless mouse to determine if there is much more delay vs wired?
hello i dont have the "g sync processor" option in my monitor asus 360, how can i activate this option?
Dell AW2521H is a 360hz one too 24.5" yet to be released
We NEED you to analyze the Cold War beta! There or something seriously WRONG with the game server side!
he did. you were right
The game is just ass
i have this monitor and it doesn't show an option to select g sync processor, I've updated driver for it and still no luck, any help on the reason why this is the case or a fix would be appreciated .
My in game fortnite latency says around 7ms total after i alt tab about 10 times the total goes up to 35 ms....idk how to fix this..i need to be able to alt tab while playing for discord...stream etc etc. i cant post picture here of it
Do you think you could look into why in fortnite if i turn on latency markers an watch total ms latency everytime i alt tab out an come back it adds latency an the only fix is to never alt tab or restart game. I cant find actually any fixes anywhere that work. I cant find a fix an need to be able to alt tab out etc etc when streaming or multi tasking. It’ll eventually add up yo like 80 ms latency
so, is this hardcoded to work with shooter muzzleflashes? Is it always the left button of the mouse and then looking for increased brightness? Because I imagine it might be possible to make it work with a whole lot more games if it could also check for a drop in brightness, clear colour change, and allows you to use any mouse button/keyboard/controller. I suppose the latter doesn't matter for your testing, but if a player wants to have this on 24/7 to monitor the game they're playing competitively, then they need to be able to check it with the device they're playing.
How can we enable this feature with the new NVIDIA drivers and 144Hz monitor?
정식 판매가 시작되었을때 다 개선이 되었으면 하는 바램입니다. 지금 상태로 출시한다면 잘못체크된 수치들이 많이 퍼져나갈꺼 같다.
I hope everything will be improved when the official sale begins. If we release it as it is, we'll see a lot of mis-checked figures spread.
Doesn't plugging your mouse into your monitor cause more input delay then if you were to plug it directly into your PC?
Ruxpen yeah probably but you dont actually need this feature to get an acurate input lag data, but to compare which settings gives you more/less input lag “without expensive gear”. The differences between the input lag values you test are the info most people would be looking for, so the added input lag from the mouse into the screen should not matter too much
LinusTechTips did a video on USB hubs and if they add latency. They bought crappy cheep hubs and nice expensive ones. None of it mattered. Latency was the same. Since the monitor is simply acting as a hub, I’d imagine it does not make a difference.
@@supermanlift A hub has a controller, this doesn't this is simply a passthrough
@@Anon.G in terms of latency, wouldn't that be even better then?
@@BattousaiHBr exactly
my G-Sync processor not showing only start : Gaming , image , color ........ anyone can help me how i can fix this and see nvidia reflex latency in my monitor ??
The tone of his voice makes me feel like I’m watching an industrial safety video lol.
Could you please analyze the Windows 10 “Variable Refresh Rate” setting? Is this a necessary option that needs to be activated when using gsync? Does this setting create interference with gsync? Is this another form of reduced buffering? What exactly does this setting do? I ask because I’ve never seen anything speaking on this setting before. it’s something that’s giving me more fps, but I’m not entirely sure as to what it does.
Heya, do you know if Reflex Latency Analyzer is available publicly yet? I recently picked up this ASUS 360hz and don't have the G-SYNC Processor option in my OSD at all. Additionally, most metrics related to latency are not displayed.
I Wonder what would be the major difference between PG259QN and PG259QNR !!!
Does the monitor RLA work over HDMI as well? Would be neat to easily test console games as well.
You should make a video on VR headset latency!
Can the usb port and forward to the pc also couse a delay? @Battle(non)sense
Overwatch has an in-game "system latency" build into the game! How does that compare to the NVIDIA Reflex Latency Analyzer?
Great video man! :)
I can at least assure you it isn't end to end system latency as it can't possibly account for the delay of your inputs, display and other variables.
I want to know too!
Ow def feels like it has alot of delay compared to others games like csgo etc. What ive noticed is the more fps i have in ow the more delay i have atleast thats how it feels.
@@NoisR Due to GPU usage? Or CPU? If it's unlocked fps then it isn't from gpu usage
@@LuisC7 when i play on highest settings to lower my fps it feels better. havent checked the usage of gpu and cpu. but 300+ frames feels def more wishy washy then cap at 90 on highest settings
What is maximum polling rate for mouse analyzer reflex port in monitor? I have 8000hz mouse but when I enable reflex analyzer it is downgraded in this port just to 1000hz. Is it ok?
Excellent video as always. What I get from this info is that... unless you already have a low latency connection to the server of a given online game (something around 10ms)... the system latency only plays a minor role on the gaming experience, right? Unfortunately, I hardly get a latency lower than 40ms in the games I play... so having a system with 10ms or 20ms doesn't seem to matter.
Exactly. Ita a bit of a gimmick really. If anyone had enough system latency to be seen with the naked eye I’d say there would be something wrong with their system.
_"unless you already have a low latency connection to the server of a given online game"_
System Latency and Network Latency are 2 different things.
*high Network Latency* will cause delayed hit registration, receiving damage behind cover, ...
*high System Latency* will make the game feel delayed as it does not instantly respond to your input. In fast paced games this means that you are more likely to crash your plane/car, etc.
In online shooters it also means that enemy players show up on your screen *later*, as the PC needs longer to get that frame onto your display (peekers advantage).
Check this out: czcams.com/video/5JaJcV26bpE/video.html
I can't find the gsync processor it would mean the world to me if you could help
Hey Chris, I got my 3090 and I upgraded from a 2080ti.
I think you don't need v sync anymore to play the games with g sync without Tearing.
The Tearing at the bottom is no longer available with Only gsync.
Make a video about it.
what a difference between u put mouse to pc and u put mouse to monitor with reflex?
is g203 mouse compatible with Reflex Latency Analyzer?
I think a much better method is to test it with the paint-bucket tool in paint or similar software so that there's no ambiguity on muzzle flash animations, since those animations are not INSTANT and progress over time.
The purpose of RLA is to allow gamers to test and optimize the latency of *games* - and find out how system latency is affected by certain in-game settings.
The Reflex SDK also allows game devs to add an option to flash a white rectangle on screen when a mouse click is detected (which you can enabled in Fortnite).
Move the detection area there and you do not have to base the measurment on a muzzle flash.
However that will not tell you the actual delay between the button press and the gun firing - especially in games which use a trigger delay mechanic (Apex, Battlefield).
But with that additional white rectangle to measure system latency with you can even measure that trigger delay.
Unless you want to know the delay of the paint bucket tool in paint, that application is a bad choice to test system latency. The result will also not tell you anything useful about your system or peripherals as this application is not designed to have little delay and it runs in a window on your windows desktop which adds delay.
If you want to test/compare the delay of different mice with RLA, then you have to use an application like nvidia's SOL_Latency_App, which is optimized to have very little latency and changes the color of the entire screen on mouse click.
@Battle(non)sense what gpu's have the display port 1.4 I can't find any gpu that has that port
A TON of cards have DP 1.4 :)
geizhals.eu/?cat=gra16_512&xf=17358_DisplayPort+1.4
Where u can buy LDAT Tool ? I
That was a great first look at the system.
Does anyone know if Nvidia's database for mouse latency is in any way public?
So far I only know that 30 mice are in the database. I expect that nvidia will make that list public as it will continue to grow over time.
@@BattleNonSense I'm looking forward to it. Thanks for the quick reply!
interesting, be curious to see tests about the improvements they claim from just the drivers, also what about TN vs IPS or even VA, do people with a IPS are disadvantaged if they want to play competitively?
Main answer is tn also some ips panels are very good but usually with higher price than 240hz tn
TN better
IPS is better than TN nowdays thanks to AO Optronics. But is expensive. The latest TN display that's still competing against the best IPS/VA panels was AORUS KD25F
@@shadwxh yeah, the thing is, I have an Asus ROG 1440p 165hz IPS with G-sync, I used to play BF for fun once in a while so I didn't thought it would be much of an issue, but now I have been playing Apex legends and I reached diamond 3, from there the level is waay higher though, so I was wondering if people with TN panels would have an edge over me.
@_Nism0 yeah, with high refresh rate you minimize thst though right, assuming you can maintain high fps, which can be hard in some games even with a good pc though..I got 6700k@4.7 with 2080 and in apex at 1440p its dips quite alot, though I'm sure a better cpu wiill help with that, looking forward to get a zen 3 soon, if I find the money lol
Do SNES on CRT next!
Battle nonsense always making sense
Question ! Does it worth to use the Nvidia reflex? When to use it?
Does this also works with keyboards?
It’s a nice feature but I think network latency is more important to worry about. What’s the most someone could achieve after tweaking their settings? 1 to 5ms?
RLA makes it easy for players to identify why a game feels strange/delayed - that is its main purpose. :)
Depending on what the issue is you can get System Latency from 100ms to 35ms or less _(v-sync, game not running exclusive fullscreen mode sometimes even though you choose that setting, GPU bound, bad external or internal FPS limiter, used some tricks that ultimately screwed up the system, game uses trigger delay as game mechanic!, .....)._
The idea behind RLA is to eliminate the guesswork and allow players to measure the responsiveness of a game.
If you need that or not is a different question. :)
I want to add that I hope to see this feature in cheaper monitors too (like 144 or 240Hz monitors) as RLA is about measuring how much delay you experience in games and not testing other equipment.
i tryed in warzone latency went up tp 150(normal 35)pubg went up tp 70(normal 20).its bad or maybe theres an issue.i just try it to see if it works cause i dont need it but myu friends tryewd also and same s****.game companys need to get better servers or people need better speed net at their houses.
amazing video as always, just wondering why didnt you do warzoone netcode test?
Random question, how do I find out where the Halo video game servers are located in the world? I haven't been able to find any info for this on the internet.
WHERE IS THE MOUSE LATENCY I CANT SEE IT, ive a g pro mouse
So did it launch?
cool video
i dontr have the setting and we got the same
just curious, how many fps did that ultra high framerate camera had to be in order to accurately measure latency results?
The same as milliseconds in a second, that is, 1000 frames per second.
@@ivol8629 thank you!
Hmm this isnt' measuring real photon lag. This is measuring input lag inside of software and not the time between click and photon exit. This test gives the monitor makers an ability to fudge the numbers slightly.
A real test is a photon sensor with a usb output to plug into your computer, or slow usb hub that you actually use for your mouse etc..
Please try to test on other games too.
Waiting for seeing those new latency settings testing with this like ultralow latency and that other one. Im getting 3080 for low settings 144hz and wanna set textures or other things more up if I dont get more latency and frame drops below 144hz. Dont talk me about 3080 and 1080p...
waste of money
Using a 3080 for 1080p gaming has the "pro" that you will always be CPU bound and so never get the latency increase caused when GPU bound.
czcams.com/video/QzmoLJwS6eQ/video.html
On the other hand you payed extra for more GPU power that you cannot use.
That is ofc. assuming that you do not crank up the render scale setting which causes the game to render at a higher resolution and then downscale the image to 1080p for better image quality.
That way you can even max out a 3080 at "1080p" and get GPU bound.
@_Nism0 waiting for warzone update also multiplayer and cyperbunk
@_Nism0 yep but my 1060 6gb wont get above 80fps with overclock even on warzone anymore before season it didnt go below 90...
@@BattleNonSense about that scaling one do that cause problems on monitor I did play cs 4k streched and it is so clear but was getting some random spikes or something even when fps was above 144 even 1% sents.
Has nvidia already abandoned this? Not a lot of supported mice or monitors.
Kudos to Nvidia
How many of you after the nvidia reflex update lost frames in warzone ?
Everyone. 20-30 FPS
I did not follow this closely, but didnt they confirm that there is a problem which also caused the texture "flicker" bug to re-occur?
@@BattleNonSense Not sure what they said about it but that bug is definitely back. The game overall looks terrible as if they decreased the render resolution and colors look darker and stale. Also a quick question, since I am on 1440p and I am always GPU bound its best for me to use "Enabled" instead of Boost right? I use Gsync with Vysnc and Reflex auto caps me at 138 fps
Pretty cool that destiny 2 is gonna support reflex... but at the same time it kind of feels pretty weird to add the support for somethibg to lower system latency slightly when latency to their servers is basicly a bad joke... packet loss and stability issues is the norm with ai often teleporting a couple of meters...
Exactly, so it dont matter what hardware you got and what latency you are running at when the servers are garbage. Its the exact same shit for Warzone.
You sound tired. Good work though 👍
Any plans to do a latency test for Cold War beta?
Please can you test the netcode or Cold War Open Beta!
Pity I don’t play any games that this uses.
me neither, i tryed in warzone latency went up tp 150(normal 35)pubg went up tp 70(normal 20).its bad or maybe theres an issue.i just try it to see if it works cause i dont need it but myu friends tryewd also and same s****.game companys get better server or people need better speed net at their houses.
@@bluebluem4 Yeah. I know what you mean.. I just got a Vive Pro the other day. I've stepped up from my trusty PS4VR headset that I've been using for the past 4 years.. I'm hooked on Dirt Rally 2.0 right now.. I get to stretch my legs and play PC games instead of console only games.. No Reflex in VR I'm afraid..
@_Nism0 you cant read or what??who said internet latency??wtf. INGAME latency dude!!!LOL
ps:not the only one having this problem. but still dont need it,got everything perfect with net speed,route,dns etc.
The Reflex Latency *Analyzer* is not limited to specific games.
If you like you can even measure the delay of the paint bucket tool in photoshop.
Please do not confuse RLL with the "Reflex Low Latency" mode which prevents the system latency increase caused when GPU bound.
czcams.com/video/QzmoLJwS6eQ/video.html
@_Nism0 dude are you serious?latency in game,ping in warzone.i think you trolling
I still prefer to own a ldat. if nvidia sells one for 50 bucks but with just a click button instead of a expensive mouse ill be the first one to order one. ive bin hoping aliexpress wouold make a counterfit one thats how bad i want one. Mouse latency is irrelevant all good gaming mice are 100 hz polling rate anyway. plus there is zero way i can change my mouse. There is only one mouse in the world thats pefect for left handed me (hence i bought a bunch for the coming decade) so i dont really care as i cant chanage my mouse even if its 20ms.
I dont want a stupidly overprised monitor or a crappy piece of software on my gaming rig (geforce experience).
Krasser Scheiß :)
THE HUMAN EYE CAN ONLY SEE 24 FPS!
now compare it to AMD Anti-Lag
I have already tested AMD Anti-Lag which is just as ..... "useful" as NULL.
czcams.com/video/7CKnJ5ujL_Q/video.html
This video also played a role in nvidia starting development on Reflex.
I know you already tested Call of Duty Modern Warfare (2019), but can you do it again - but this time, on the PS4 Pro w/ it's stock HDD?
Activi$ion has a patent for Score/Skill Based Matchmaking (SBMM) & Player Based Matchmaking (PBMM) on which they block players (player's who don't buy microtransactions 'MTX') from getting on higher hertz servers. They constantly place me in those 12hz "Listen" servers ibstead of 60hz servers. During these play sessions, I will constantly encounter that annoying "Packet Burst" network icon (mid left of screen) plus many others. It will pop up when encounter enemy players, plus it hust happens regularly every few seconds. When this pops up, I also get frame freeze ups & frame skips.
I constantly run into "Shoot first, die first" gunfights (I shoot first, accurately, but die after they shoot second & insta kill me in a couple of frames)
Also, the peekers advantage is fucking ridiculous at ever corner or object, whether that be strafing or headglitching. They'll shoot me before thrir even on my screen! The broken camera angles play into this aspect as well.
Please please PLEASE! Battlenonsense, test this! It's been driving me insane! CODtuber shills like Driftor & the like don't touch upon this issue, since they are paid by Activi$ion!
This bullshit doesn't happen in any other game mind you! DICE had these problems in BF4 but fixed those back in like 2014 or 2015!
**To see what I mean by the peekers advantage, just watch youtuver: OvenBakedMuffin 's videos on Black Ops 2
NOTE: Those big subscriber COD shills on youtube don't encounter these problems because they drop thousands of $$$ on MTX & shill for the game. They ruibed my favorite fps franchise!
Added note: I don't play this game w/ a QoS gaming router or Ubiquiti ER-X. I've seen many reports from CZcams videos/comments + forums that even the Netduma's QoS won't even fix the network problems in this game! They have the same issues I have!
How would secretly putting players who buy microtransactions on better servers make Activision money? Isn't that something they would want to advertise so more people would buy stuff?
Your conspiracy theory is like the flip side of the doomsday machine in Doctor Strangelove. What's the point of having it if its a secret?
Also, you can test this yourself, there's already several videos on this channel about how to analyze game server traffic.
why the fuck are you playing call of duty and expecting the servers or the game to actually be remotely competitive.
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First..?
first?
seems like it und hallo auch