The Curious History of "Jehovah's Calendar"
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- In the 1930s, efforts by Jehovah's Witnesses to eliminate all pagan practices led to an unusual endpoint: an attempt to create an entirely new timekeeping system for their members. But friction between Watchtower officials helped doom the new calendar, and indirectly led to Joseph Rutherford arguing the Gobitis flag salute case before the U.S. Supreme Court.
It's amazing that they still continue to print all these dates with a pagan beginning on their magazines.
I wasn't aware how they banned celebrating all these special celebration days over a number of years in the 1930s
Thank you for once again delving into Watchtower history. Your presentation style is priceless. I'll be looking forward to the next one.
I still can't believe that my parents joined this nutty group back in 1972! Unfortunately they didn't have the Internet, with information like yours, to help them make their decisions.
Don’t give up. I was baptized in 1970 and woke up about 2 years ago , now I’m pimo.
I didn’t join until 1989 (left 1992) but my brother introduced me to jws in 1974. There were a lot of kids coming off the “hippie movement” in the 70s, it was a searching time. The religion was extremely different at that time. Kingdom Halls were separately owned. It was liberal, education was not discouraged where I was, the elder arrangement was relatively new so they weren’t pricks like now. The anointed were usually older couples who had seen a lot and were beloved. They had the “Make Sure” book and people were encouraged to fact check against secular sources. Josephus the Jewish (Greek?) historian was a source often quoted in the Aid to Bible Understanding book (now apostate literature) in which Ray Franz was a writer. Don’t be too hard on your parents 💙 it was a different time and for many it wasn’t difficult to believe Once Upon a Time.
@@beautyRest1 Hope the holiday season isn’t too difficult for you, when your window opens, you will be ready. 💜
@@beautyRest1 what is Pimo?
@@lulunando9588 Physically in, mentally out.
Oh , another history lesson !
Love it!
Especially your unsarcastic presentation!
John 15:21 Jesus said:
But they will do all these things against you on account of my name.. because they DO NOT KNOW the One who sent me ;) (JEHOVAH).
Just wanted to say you’re by far my favorite ex-JW content creator right now. Absolutely love your dry wit and impeccable research
this really helps to explain the 'over-lapping generations' teaching!
tnx a lot for this explanation, my ( late) parents joined after ww2 and we had at home a lot of rutherfords books, i knew many things about the history of jw, about miracle oil or wheat, but i never read something about the woodworth calendar!
Love your videos! By the way, after the French revolution, there was a short-lived attempt in France to introduce a new decimal calender with 10 months and a decimal clock with 10 hours. Didn't catch on, either :-)
It would have been impossible to imagine for an 80's JW that the world could still be there in the year 2000 (g86 11/8 pp. 6-8). We are in 2020 far from the so-called imminence of the end sold by the Watchtower for decades (1914, 1925, 1975, 1994…). This temporal swindle will have had only one purpose, that of continually putting the follower in a context of short time. In the face of the passing of time the Watchtower will have no other choice but to radicalize in order not to disappear. Still a little time and soon its new double and superimposed generation which must not pass (like all the others) will pass (like all the others). In short, the eternal restart. Followers are formatted to blindly follow men who themselves run in circles awaiting a great persecution that will never come. There are no more pilots on the plane and the plane loses altitude every year. Over time, history will take care of forgetting this American publishing house. If one day (in the 2040s) my grandchildren ask me : "Grandpa what was that Watchtower ?" I would answer them… The very essence of human vanity.
wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101986802#h=46
g86 11/8 pp.8 : Samuel, a 15-year-old youth from the same country, also believes in a complete change: “For the year 2000, I visualize a world transformed into a beautiful paradise! But I don’t think that either the present world or its rulers will live to see that day. . . .
The message from the Watchtower is that the end is at hand. The Watchtower thinks the end should come before the year 2000, but cannot write it down because that date has no biblical basis. The Watchtower will therefore send its message through the writing of a child.
So we cannot impute this text to him. This sleight of hand will allow the Watchtower moving forward a date without directly being blamed. This date will do its job well in the minds of followers and I remember it sparked a new wave of enthusiasm.
Awesome
They did write It in a January 1st watchtower article
"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century"
Excellent Phil and so true.
@@radiomanze1296 Wow, I didn't hear about that.
Excellent thought.
You need to develop a standup routine. Your deadpan delivery is brilliant.
As always Phil, a gently tongue in cheek retelling of Watchtower's mind and fact bending madness. I'll never understand why you don't have the following you deserve. I feel some sympathy for Woodworth but much more for the people charged with understanding and learning this tomfoolery! 💚
A “gently tongue in cheek retelling of Watchtower’s mind and fact bending madness” sums it up perfectly.
Every time I think I have heard it all then comes something else, mainly thanks to you and Jason Zelda
Never knew??! Amazing. Question is why then do they use the name for God that was invented by a Roman Catholic MONK? 😱
@@julieellis2076 probably the same reason people say Jesus instead of Yeshua.
@@julieellis2076 additionally Raymundus Martini created the drink mounted by two olives. vermouth optional.
Your videos are always a xmas gift to me
You are the best JW researcher on CZcams. Also appreciate your
non pretentious approach to the info.
Of course with some humor, which is unavoidable.
Thanks Bill, I learn something new every time I view you videos. The calendar was a great story.
Phil
@@exjwwokeup1617 Yes of course, sorry Phil.
Always excellent, thank you.
Great research ! Great presentation with a touch of humor .. much appreciated
Phil this is the best vid ever! Thanks for your research & presentation. I'm still laughing! Well done Brother Phil. I've marked you a 'G' on all points.
So that means today is the 372nd day of foopadoop.
Changing the calendar must have created a ridiculous pile of confusion for that stupid cult! Imagine making an appointment with your doctor? A job interview? Or even a hair appointment with that calendar? What was 2ion's Watch Tower thinking???🤦🏿♀️
I suspect they would have thought of that. Using the traditional dating for those outside the org.
Brilliant, Dude! Brilliant!
Im a modern Bible student associate and I love your videos. We still believe the original doctrines set by pastor Russell and his associates. Is scary to see how the Jehovah’s Witnesses church has gone so far from the original truth. Although, as Bible students, we recognized the pagan history of Christmas, most of us celebrated because it reminds us of the birth of our savior Jesus the son of Jehovah.
So please keep doing the videos we need to help people come out of this cult.❤️
This is an amazing video! Such depth of research yielding a video absolutely packed with rare gems. Thank you
Thank for you once again delving into ..
See a sincere person who REASONS and who brings experience to help others avoid a destroyed family or emotional trauma. thanks
Your sarcasm is spot on perfectly flawless!
Love the scenery as you bid us goodbye. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas! We’re the people there as happy seeing snow on their palm trees? 😝🎅🏼🤶🏻
Finished your book Phil, I really loved it! Very interesting, the quotes you used from different books, movies, songs...very creative! A must read!
This content also very interesting, as always! Thank you ☺️ 🥰
OMG... you did an excellent job covering this. I had to laugh at the Watchtower's notion that having their own calendar was easy to implement. If you recall, the society had recently - don't know if they are still doing this - aligned the days of the week on "their" calendars to have both weekend days next to each other. The Gregorian calendar, of course, starts with Sunday and ends with Saturday. However, in the Society's infinite wisdom, they decided to put the days Saturday and Sunday next to each other on the same row, so as to assist with people doing more in Field Service on w/e's! This minor change - esp. comparing it with that ridiculous earlier calendar concept - caused many to mess up appointments, especially the elderly who either went a day earlier to a doctor's appt. or a day later! You think they would have learned their lesson, don't MESS with the Gregorian calendar - which btw, is burnt into our brain from infancy! Goodness. See image of their attempt at changing the calendar again: www.bennettcards.co.uk/shop/images/WC0017[1].jpg
In most week to view diaries you buy in UK the week starts on a Monday, ending with the weekend. Though church related groups publish diaries that start with Sunday as the first day of the week (as described in ACTs - the believers met on the first day of each week, the day of resurrection; and the Jewish tradition of sabbath being the last of the 7 days of creation, and day of rest, being saturday, with resurrection of Jesus the day after the sabbath)
LOVE your dry humor!!! 💕😂
Just finished reading your book, I was on page 323, I had not much left to read.
Excellent t'il the End, my friend. . .
Loving your very informative videos...keep up the good work!!
I love your videos ... thank you .. Merry Christmas 🎄
I really like your research. Thank you for all your work.
I rarely ever comment on CZcams videos but I feel compelled to say thank you for this highly informative and enlightening delve into the history of the watchtower. From other comments below, it seems you have published a book. Can you please provide info on the book and where to find it. Thanks 🙏🏿
czcams.com/video/WO-u84_YI3g/video.html
Phillip Kuchman (2020) Dear Britta: A Memoir. Details on his channel description.
You do dig up some fascinating stuff.
I LOVE your presentations. Thank you.
Never once heard about this. Fantastic research and presentation!
however, since this IS the Theocratic Ministry School, and the topic you were working this time was on gestures... :-o
{DING!!!}
Yeah. Way off, brother Phil. It’s the back room for you.
His facial gestures and modulation more than made up for it , but we'll keep you on this one just to really make it perfect. Thank you
You are so special!
Thank You so much for your Hard work
This calendar nonsense sounds like something Freddie Franz had a part in with his love of proclaiming months, days, hours, solar locations etc. Perhaps this is where he learned how to make these tedious and entirely ridiculous proclamations
This is brilliant. How do you decide which topics to research, and how did you even find out about this? I have a feeling that not even the all-knowing David Splane knows about this.
Well worth watching👍
I remember being taught as a jw kid that Jesus was born at the end of September... 9 month before is the end of December... and where is Jesus in that calendar?
Maybe you had new light ? As of the late 80s I heard it was October 2 ... making Jesus a Libra which sounded right to me at the time. 🤣
Great stuff as always. Especially liked the bit about the kkk, amazing. Thanks for uploading!
I love those old new-lights!
Forgetting about the moon-worshipers calendar (all those new moons ) and back to the devil's calendar. Like that lawsuit, I am curious about details. . . !
Moyle was the lead attorney for the Gobitis case, and had won at every level until Rutherford fired him and took over himself. And promptly lost in the Supreme Court. WT maybe would have lost regardless, but then again maybe not!
@@theblueenvelope , I have to thank you big time for making available your book. I had 2 brain aneurysm ruptures in Mars 2007, yep, I was lucky to be living in Montreal at the time close to the best hospital at the time for that kind of stuff. I learned later that in the same month, 2 persons died of it / 1 in the waiting room /1 in his car, just tired of waiting in the lights and noise of the waiting room.
The ambulance didn't want to take me. My ex boyfriend had to force them to take me and to the hospital I was known for lots of migraines. . .
Just to say that I am disabled (not lots of money ) and I am a slow reader. Since yesterday, I really enjoyed your book. . !
It is not my first language eather, I learned english after my aneurysm, I had to relearn french first. . . It is a page Turner, is it a saying in English? I mean it in a good way. In your book, I am after the law, after the CSA, quite a bit after. I am a survivor of CSA, I thank you for talking about it even if you didn't have to go thru this. From the bottom of my heart : thank you! Other than that, you made me laugh and cry and laugh again and sometimes both at the same time. . . ! I have to find out where I was and finish reading your awsome book tonight. You remind me of a friend I had who D-A himself around the same time I wrote my D A letter.
I didn't know that he was going to do that. At the last meeting I attended they announced that he left. It was in the mid-eighties...
@@natashapeeters988 wow! you've been thru a lot. you're one tough cookie, great to read your story!
Thanks for your brilliant history lesson....😁👌
Hey there Mr Blue ,it's so nice to be with you !
Love your videos! Thank you. BTW loving your book. My son was totally surprised about the Dungeons And Dragons thing.
Give me the name of the book please.
@@alexandervankevich4937 The name of the book is “Dear Britta “by Phillip Kucheman. I promise, you will not be disappointed. Its a great book!
@@alexandervankevich4937 I got mine on Amazon.
@@sofiamorgan6644 Thank you!
Always find those old spiritual gems!
I'm in my 60's and I occasionally lose track of time. I go into a room and know I had a reason but can't remember. I can however remember the 30 years of my life I wasted on the Indoctrination and blind obedience I sacrificed to a Cult. The Childhood abuse (not sexual as some had the horrible experience) that hindered normal maturing as an adult and the Torment of Service to the ORG. through Adulthood. The damage was huge and destroyed marriage/family/ children. The time has come to expose this Cult and that time is now and is happening. As of the current Calendar, and no matter how this Cult's Governers choose to record it...times up Boy's!!!
Wow really cool history lesson. Thanks for doing all the work researching and developing your videos in such a straight forward and logical way.
Watchtower beliefs have changed more than the weather.
Thanks again Phil for your research...
so well done, Phil! Liked. Subscribed. Bell rung
Sounds like Rutherford was going "pagan," too. The ancient Roman calendar year originally began in March. It was some time after the kings were overthrown and the Roman Republic was founded when the start of the Roman year was moved to January 1st, the day the year's two Consuls were inaugurated.
I just love your videos. 💛🌻
You mentioned the WT favoring the KKK in some of their articles .. Do u have any references or articles on that ? I can not find anything on it.
I'll have to dig out my references, here's one: www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ho6ia8/watch_tower_proudly_supporting_the_kkk_since_1923/
@@theblueenvelope just astounding! the hypocrisy of this group goes back for decades
Love your channel im a ex jw from. Seattle
Hello from the Sunshine Coast, Canada, just North
Interesting and love your humour 🤩
That Christmas day of conception totally was new to me who previously to this new knowledge new everything. I was more astonished by the new light than realizing I didn't know something.
I will never be the same as my former self. Help me Jesus! YAP YAP.
Thank you for this video
Your a great researcher!
Of course, Catholics did figure out Mary's cycle. They placed the Feast of the Annunciation (Mary's conception) on March 25, exactly 9 months before Christmas. These dates originally corresponded to the Spring equinox and the winter solstice, but they shifted over the centuries as the calendar got more and more out of whack. Pope Gregory did not bring them back into exact alignment with the solar dates.
Wow. That was so entertaining. Jehovah really screwed up his "direction" with the calendar thing! I had no idea the concept was so well developed...as in complex....and having almost a book (series of articles) written in it's support. Wow! I'd love to know what kind of back room discussions (arguments) at Brooklyn occurred in order for them to drop it so suddenly and never mention it again..
One of your best
Fascinating!
probably after the A day, the GB already rapted and sitting on their thrones will push forward a perfect calendar based on perfect number 7: 7 monthes of 7 weeks of 7 days,...asking special permission to accelerate earth revolution to 343 days...everything being perfect from this point onwards... this will be explained after some special math and astronomy training in the new scrolls.
7 weeks of 7 bottles of scotch for Tony "the tight pants" Morris
25th March is the long established day of the Annunciation (see Luke 1:26-38). It was celebrated as early s the second century but was quite well established by the third century AD. The date was arrived at from the description given in Luke 1 of Zechariah's encounter in the temple and Elizabeth pregnancy six months before the annunciation.
Pure gold
Oh no, they had to keep Satan’s calendar 😳 😂
That whole 'thinking to change times and seasons' thing? Perhaps JWs should observe the Shabbat and hold their meetings on Saturnday.
What would 12/12/2020 be on Jehovah’s calendar? 📅
Mathew 23 verse 24: "blind guides! You strain out the gnats, but swallow down the carmel. " wt
The Baha'is use their own calendar which has no connection to the rest of the world. Each month is 19 days long.
Astral impact Julian 2370bc Nov 20 (1656am 600-2-10) currently makes it impossible to calculate sidereal orbit size, ellipse, Earth speed, and axis precession prior to that date so that only close approximation is the rotation what would now be tagged 24 hours 20 minutes per day for 360 days totalling the same 8766 hours. So nothing of Adam or any preFlood date can be absolute. Contrary to French JW Gerard Gertroux contradicting WT with 3170bc absolute Flood and 1533bc absolute exodus.
Remember Christmas wasn't a big deal in America until the mid 1800s. The early pilgrims were puritans so they wouldn't have really celebrated Christmas. It was the Victorians that helped popularise Christmas in America with Charles Dickens book A Christmas Carol and a picture of Victoria and Albert around the Xmas tree. So in Charles Taze Russell time Xmas wasn't quite as we know it today.
Jesus was conceived Shebat 20 ( = 2bcJanuary 25) born on Hesvan 15 and 40 days on Jewish Christ-mass Kislev 25 the month before Persian Magi priests of Greek Dec 25
I left jw because of the holidays I like celebrating the holidays
Catholics actually celebrate Jesus' conception on March 25.
"Immaculate Conception" refers to Mary's own sinless conception by her mother.
society don't say Mary got her period on year 2 BC, but they say that Mary was conceive Jesus on desember... I cant find mary's period, please somebody make it clear??
“So now we know” 😆
44:02 They probably want things like that to seem random, which suggests divine inspiration and not conspiracy.
My grandfather would have bought into that baloney, lock, stock and barrel.
"Iimmaculate conception" is the idea that Mary was conceived without sin--a doctrine created by folk mythology and recognized by the Catholic church in 1870. That's what you have confused with the idea of the virgin birth, which is the idea that Jesus was born of a virgin.
I wish the Watchtower had kept that non-pagan-a-dodo calendar; there probably wouldn't be nearly 9 million JWs today.
In the Latin languages Sunday = Domingo, or Domenica which means the day of the Lord. They are absurd!!!!!!!!!!!!
Catholics have the annunciation of Gabriel to Mary. - March 25
Technically Mary birthing Jesus is the Virgin Birth; the Immaculate conception refers to Mary's own birth - that she was perfect from, the start, a theological twist to deal with how a perfect Jesus could be born to a woman if she had original sin, but merely end up shifting the problem back a generation rather than resolve it
Wasn't it the 1934 or 1935 yearbook that included an endorsement of Adolf Hitler and the Nation party?
That is all astrology something forbidden in j.w?
That calendar would have been hilarious. Couldn’t help laughing. Only genius’s would be in the religion not some of the dumbos they now have
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aluminum was removed from deodorant and a lot of aluminum cookware has been illuminated .
Are you a JW or have you left this cult?
Mostly I agreed with the information about the Jehovah witness history and they are also claimed They are the true Jewish people instead of the real Jew people.
Yeah, no proof of madness here. Move along.
The subtle sarcasm in this video is hilarious.
This was fascinating and thank you... but your speaking is so triggering. Brings me right back to the hall. Lmao. How can ya'll have the same tone?
I bet they (JW's) can read VOYNICH MANUSCRIPT like a poem, a native language 😉🤣😭😂 !
I think you have made an error in your argumentation in the early part of your video. That WT article said Jesus was "begat", ie born, on Dec. 25, NOT conceived as your following statements argues. Now I find it hard to defend JWs in anything but "fair is fair". As messed up and manipulative as they are, they aren't THAT stupid.
I know it's a year since this was posted, but seems in that year, no-one noticed or thought it appropriate to respond. "Begat" does mean "conceived" in this context - it especially refers to the causative role of the male in reproduction. If we trawl through the "Abraham begat Isaac" portions of scripture we can appreciate this was the aspect that Watchtower would be understanding and intending it to mean.
Wouldn’t you think they’d use the old Jewish calendar like Jesus did ?
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Why you happy for misleading innocent people Ephesians 4:14,Revelation 12:9-10?is Christmas and goodfriday related to Jesus christ because is not in the bible?