Overpowered Attacks in Fighting Games (with PNDMustard)
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
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Asked the lords over at @PNDKM to come through and talk about attacks that are cheap in Netherrealm games, and I think they delivered! In this video not only do we share 4 attacks from each of our wheel houses that we think are unfair, but we also dig into Netherrealm specifics in general.
0:00 - Welcome to the Netherrealm
3:04 - Mustard's first pick
10:31 - LK's first pick (and games are hard to get now)
16:30 - Mustard's second pick (and an annoying property on attacks)
29:50 - LK's second pick (and how each game handles strike throw)
39:00 - Mustard's third pick (and chip damage)
50:32 - LK's third pick
59:36 - Mustard's fourth pick (and the complete package)
1:11:07 - LK's fourth pick
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Thanks to @PNDKM for coming on and sharing stuff about modern NRS games, make sure to peep since MK1 has been out for a little bit!
NRS games were the most requested lane from reading the comments on the previous ones, so I hope y'all enjoy. If we hit 4000 likes maybe we hit another different group of games? 👀
(also pls subscribe)
GET ARIS AND TALK ABOUT ABSURD 3D MOVES FROM TEKKEN/SOUL CALIBUR
The gray hairs looks good on you.
When is the next NRS featured episode? ... I've played Fighting Games since the 90s and NRS/Midway list of OP moves is borderline Endless
I'd love to see someone bring up a bunch of KOF, I don't think I've seen it on this show yet
Mmmmm??m?
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PNDMustard is a great guest. Great audio quality, great clips, great explanations, fantastic guy.
Anybody unfamiliar with his content should check out his Competitive History videos on MK games and characters. They're so good and bingeable, I actually want to play the 3D MK games.
@@zanpakutoman4225 I'd say THEIR content, not his, as it is Ketchup who makes most of K&M's CZcams videos, including Competitive History.
10:36
What average fighting game players say is a strong attack: *Big, fullscreen explosions, particle effects everywhere*
What high-level fighting players say is a strong attack: *The Leggy*
mortobato vs ram 5k
What looks strong vs bullshit frame data
The bug for Rei's DP was a very specific input and would make it hit infinitely. This would overclock the arcade cabinet and potentially make it catch fire. That's why it's banned.
Of course HNK has something like that
On further research, even on fightcade it's banned as it can softlock the game
@@QuantemDeconstructor yeah and it's only possible on arcade versions of the game
the most HnK bug
@@coolboyyo654 the game is lore accurate
42:05 "am I allowed to swear?". 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mustard's the best. This was actually seriously legitimately the first time I've ever heard him swear.😂😂❤❤
I'd love to listen to a platform fighting game related episode of this series with a guest like MockRock because of how incredibly different an overpowered move in a platform fighter has to be compared to more traditional fighters.
You should invite Coney on to talk about broken moves from Smash games. I know there is some bad blood between the FGC and Smash community, but it's mostly calmed down recently. Coney is a really chill dude and I can't think of anyone better to invite on. I just want to see a Smash player showcase some cursed shit from Brawl, that's all I ask.
Smash isn't a fighting game, though, it's a party game
@@ratcatcher2048 LK was a Marth main I don't think he's got an issue with Smash
It's gotten a lot less heated over the years, and there a lot more crossover now. 100% bet LK could get a few people from the smash scene on and that would be cool
He needs to get a Melee player to talk about busted Melee shit like rest and shine, I'd love to see that.
coney is a good funny man
Funny enough, Sajam also actually brought up trident rush. I think that Mustard brought up more interesting things like how much meter it builds on block though. Sajam also talked about Aquaman’s trait because LK was curious about and asked if it could be done during block stun or not
Mustard is such a fantastic guest on a show like this!! I feel like he could have kept going on about these types of moves for YEARS!!! Love this series and this was one of the best ones yet! What a pro!
Based off of the thumbnail, it looks like trident rush is the first repeating offender in the series, haha
Edit: actually iirc Sajam chose Aquaman’s trait, which is another very fun and interactive mechanic 🗿
Aquaman *is* one of the few characters that have shown up more than once, though. I wanna say XRD Elphelt and Kid Buu are others, but that might just be from exposure on this channel, not this specific series.
similar thing happened with both brian f and punk bringing up abigail, brian f's move was the v trigger that made all his hps unblockable and punk's move was 5hp. also I swear he's shown that exact half moon kohaku vs crescent moon kohaku combo in another episode of this series
i like to call moves like mustard's 4th pick "turbotax moves" because they could probably do your taxes and save your marriage if you needed them to.
My man just dropped a whole movie for us
For real 🥹
PNDMustard knows his shit man!!!
I loved how much context you guys let yourselves give for each move. Talking about game history and character generals on top of super specific reasons why the moves chosen are good was so refreshing.
LK and PNDM is a duo we didn't know was needed, but we definitely do need more of it
Not only did Rei's uppercut softlock the game if used in a certain way, on the original arcade hardware it could DESTROY the arcade board itself due to overclocking because of the infinite hits.
For the triangle of move properties Mustard is talking about, I'm *pretty* sure Tremor had all three on his crystal shatter (the main launcher) for a bit before they patched out armored launchers, and a lot of the footage showed for the Tremor gameplay was DJT using a flash parry (essentially using an armored special and run canceling out of it to blow up gaps in SonicFox's pressure). MKX had some wild stuff for a long time. To be fair, so did IJ1 and IJ2.
The Tremor segment was really interesting from a non-MK perspective. Anime games have a lot of armor characters, but they also have a lot of multi-hit normals, and you generally have to commit to a move to get your armor (an example would be Vaseraga from Granblue, who has a similar armor buff but it applies the armor to his next attack, not just whenever he gets hit). The idea of being able to wait for an unsafe move in a block string and get hit on purpose so you can punish seems absurd.
@@arachnofiend2859 This is in large part to how normals are structured in NRS games. Everyone effectively has canned strings as opposed to gatlings, so there are more requisite knowledge checks generally (fewer than something like Tekken, but more than most traditional games) since quite a few of a character's strongest strings on paper have counterplay (i.e. a very plus string might have a large gap for flawless blocks or interrupts, or the final hit may be a neutral duckable high, or have a backdashable gap). Tremor is an extreme case, but given relatively generous buffer windows out of blockstun, some characters like Bane would effectively turn off your ability to do normals, while just outright losing a huge portion of their tools conditionally at the character select screen in some matchups.
@@sylascole5254 Legit, NRS games are actually the phrase "You gon learn today" lol
Would’ve picked the dumpster for best best move in injustice
Love how you both actively avoid each other's games lmao
Funnily enough, Leon Massey dropped a vid on Rising Thunder's discovered unfinished characters, and one of them, Aegis, has Crystalline Tremor's armor buff move. From what I gather, it was able to make her in a strong heavy with huge plus frames to an absolute fuckin menace who could get in for practically free
I miss Rising Thunder. That Leon Massey video was awesome!
Really enjoyed the post move discussions had here, a lot of respect shown for each others respective games and insight built upon by both of you from the concepts shared.
By far my favorite guest of this whole series.
Rare NRS crossover episode (let's pretend Sajam isn't legacy NRS for the sake of this comment)
Another fantastic addition to this series of videos. I really appreciate how both of you explained the different moves, and why they're so good.
the fact trident rush was on this series twice and it was from 2 different games is proof that chip damage attacks are lame
I remember in Persona 4 Ultimax, Adachi had a really fucked up set up thanks to his super Heat Riser that would make it so his moves do a ton of status effects. He could put mute (can't burst), fear (fatal counters on hit), stun (can't move, can only dash and jump), and rage (can't block). Then he would shoot his full screen laser at you and unless you could jump and stall somehow, you were just fucked cuz that laser was his best starter.
Heat Riser was actually an Adachi buff(more damage, more defense), Magatsu Mandala is the persona buff. There's setups where you could do Silence, Fear, and Rage allowing for unblockable/unburstable setups for 3700(C version with fear) or 4280(D/SB fear) which the average life is like 9500 iirc with the lower end being 8000, so yeah close to 50% on the majority of the cast
@@axis8396 rage and silence was a 1.1 thing though. In the current version he no longer has rage resets. He still does have silence but you have to do mandala with the buff already on, when it used to be on 2c which was a major combo tool.
@@axis8396b😊
I enjoyed the long-form podcast-like style of this one. I hope to get more like this if you and more guests can swing for the fences. The context and tournament footage really stalled the deal. Great video.
As a former Aquaman main back in 2013... Yes, Aquaman was nonsense, and I loved every minute of it
Been waiting for this one! Great vid!
28:24 Chad Kouma has super that just gives full on armor without any downsides
cyrax the maid archetype is something i gotta see
Fantastic Episode LK and PND!
Man! one of the best crossovers I never expected to see, LK x PNDMustard! Bro I love how open you are talking about any game! you should do a mini MK1 challenge and see how you do playing a set quantity of games in Ranked, it would be fun and interesting. I'm calling you liking Nitara!
This was amazing, very interesting look into the past
55:25 LK's "I didn't make the game" is probably the funniest interaction I've seen so far in these videos.
I love these videos, thx for the 1hr
Amazing guest fire video 🔥
The second I saw Fujin on screen I had sky walk flashbacks 😂
yo this is a crazy crossover
1 hour long??? LETS GOOOOO
Love the series...keep it up...im always learning new things about fighting games ive heard of but neva played or games ive played but neva knew about the broken shit in it lol
lovely video ✅✌🏼
Interesting discussion!
"A DP that kills you"
Such words.
1:14:07 So its a glitch with grave shoot (A+C launcher) and rei's C DP where if you boost cancel the grave shoot during hitstop and TK DP out of it, the DP will do an infinite amount of hits and keep going up into the sky, unless you boost cancel it before it kills or the timer runs out. Otherwise yea it will softlock the game, at least on emulation, havent done it to anyone on arcade.
In the same vein shin has a glitch with grave shoot that turns him strike invincible for the rest of the round, which is banned too.
Is that game on fightcade?
@@taninrobertson2262 yea it has rollback and everything
Hell yeah, I've been wanting to play it since Lord Knights last video on it
30:00 so... turns out this wasn't the first time LK has brought up H Kohaku in "why X thing us broken" videos... they've just exclusively appeared in collab videos on jmcroft's channel. He specifically goes into why H Kohaku is busted in the "Fighting Game characters that are ACTUALLY broken" video on jmcrofts' channel
czcams.com/video/jPnNAgK1XOc/video.htmlsi=fEKunQ1Z8-zt7Lpu
I remember Pig Of The Hut going crazy on Kenshi through MK9 and the early days of MKX
Bro I haven't watched you since the Ole DBFZ days, crazy Seing bro with a Beard, shit clean dawg
that thumbnail is crazyy
Awesome, Mustard is great.
I was waiting for the H moon Kohaku in these vids, I remember watching you play her back at some dudes house in 2010 cause someone had downloaded the arcade of CS1.
1:16:58 I found which game manual he's talking about. It's the manual for Hokuto no Ken 6 for the SNES. It's in japanese but it actually does say Raoh can't kneel, so he can't crouch lol
I swear to god if LK mentions Season 1 Kid Buu in this video
Edit: Thank God
Hokoto no ken is King, when the crouch kick boosts back into range it sends me every time😭
Love to see a killer instinct special for this series where it's just every single character in the game.
Mustard was hilarious to have on, good collab
The crossover I always wished for ❤.
The Last blade 2. Zantetsu’s dash slice (646C 214A) and air kunai (j236A/Bx2) arguably the most broken things in that game that aren’t a glitch. dash slice can cross completely ambiguously, is air unblockable, cannot be deflected in the air if it hits from behind, and can come out fast enough to not be humanly reactable. Air Kunai does sometimes unslacled damage, builds meters at a ridiculous rate. And is safe on block in a lot of matchups. The man is a borderline crime in that game. He’s banned in at least one competitive community (Korea) for these reasons
I don't think I watched a single Injustice match ever again after seeing Dragon win Evo with Aquaman.
The most broken move in fighting games are the ones I can't deal with.
I remember thinking command grabs were broken because they come out like frame one lol. Especially sf4 Seth's command grab, little did I know I could just jump out of a command grab lol
Jump ins while I'm focusing on footsies are broken lol 😅
The one time i ever entered a fighting game tournament i played aquaman in injustice. I will always have a soft spot for him but good lord was trident rush a terrible idea
The closest thing I could think of to tremors "let's rock" is probably gigas beast oar from tekken seven granted it wasn't a passive more of almost a parry but it's pretty neat
Great video. Getting ketchup on is a good get.
Yay!!!! Mustard and Lordknight. Love the multiverse!
LK's PTSD must've kicked in at 28:18 and he forgot about the most disgusting character in Blazblue - Izanami's rib cage
20:03 This right here is why fighting game developers stopped making characters giving themselves armor as a buff and now you only see armor "built in" in certain moves, or buffs that only give armor to *certain* moves (like Vaseraga from GBVS).
The concept for this MK character is good though and the armor doesn't last long (6 seconds I think?). What they could do with it is to make the character lose the armor if they block two attacks in a short period of time (like on block strings) and then they wouldn't be able to punish block string safe finishers. The armor would then only be used to win neutral and opponents could try to play around that.
Godlike, i'll be waiting for Ketchup to talk about the Midway era, more people need to know about projectiles that remove your block button and TOMBSTONE DROP
3 frame full-screen unblockable launchers are my favorite moves.
anime gifs over x-rays were way too funny
If we doing franchises lil majin and tekken would be sick
I'm pretty sure you talked about the melty blood thing before.
I use Solomon Grundy’s chip buff against Aquaman and Deathstroke so they have to play or go in recklessly when time is running out.
Didn't old naoto use her hama super as oki too so you have to block it while she does a fifty-fifty?
Someone needs to bring Kyanta on here.
Damn LK the grey hair. Time be flying huh.
You know a moves broken when Mustard swears reflecting on it
38:50
That stung a little for being true for me.
Lmao I knew I remembered trident rush being talked about
I hear maximum carnage music 👀
First time seeing your chnnale. Bringing on someone to talk about "JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage of the Future" would be great if you havent done it already. Pet Shop's icicles make unblockables so ridiculously easy.
As a grappler player, I can confirm what you've said, I'll look for whoever "John McGrapples" is in the game and pick him/her
As soon as you picked Naota I was like "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boiiiii, let's see how mustard likes this"
I think Tremors armor is the closest thing NRS is going to get to guard point lol its pretty goofy.
Venomous D'vorah bug juice beats the flex
Hmmm... HNK.. that means you gotta talk about Toki's teleport sometime...
The character where it was too unfair to give him a 2nd low, and hes STILL top 1 with MULTIPLE 9-1 matchups in his favor. HnK is truly the king of kusoge.
God I love that hot mess of a game
Did he just say they just announced tremors moves in mk1? This must of been recorded over a month ago
I'm sensing a theme here. Either their damage is through the roof, or it's an ability that makes everyone facing them have to think "this is my problem-solver.... but can it deal with THAT attack?"
Imagine a fighter where all of the characters have the ability to "flex" like tremor😂I'd watch that in a heartbeat
Not familiar with your channel but this was a great video.
37:00 I play mid range archetypes
(Cody, Kimberly, Erron Black, Vanessa from KOF)
Wait. In mkx Freea/Thor just had a charge thath phases trought projectiles. Its so fast it would never really go up, but for 15/20 frame, Ferra/Thor could eat all the projectiles you want without taking damage.
The nrs gamea have a very special kind of broken hahaha
Was it when u ex flex with tremor u dont take any chip damage also? :D or am i remembering wrong
Yes ex flex made you immune to chip damage, and lasts longer than regular flex
@@LordHeishin i knew something was missing :D
The Main Man Swe collab when?
Platform fighter guy next!
Holy shit yes the hour long Lord Knight video
Mustard saying he doesnt interact with anime.
Fucking based.
43:29 Skooch video??
Top 10 anime crossovers
Shadow Naoto was my girl as a kid... I was so ass at fighting games but I could definitely throw into mudoon lmao
As I start this video: I better see MK9 Cyrax bombs on this or else.
I’ll curse bro’s to have wet socks for all eternity
Edit: It got an honorable mention, that’s pog enough
Aquaman was great
41:36 thumbnail Man