How will affirmative action affect students? Panel debates | CUOMO
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- The Supreme Court on Thursday struck down affirmative action policies that allow for the limited use of race as a factor in college acceptance practices. What will the long-term impact be? Conservative talk show host Ben Ferguson and attorney, writer and political commentator Elie Mystal join “CUOMO” to debate.
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It's the first step to a Color Blind America! Next Supreme Court needs to clean up the Job Market & Stop the Sex/Color Quota's & start hiring on Merit, Ability & Experience.
The problem with that though is people have kids. Most poor kids won't be able to compete with rich kids, so now you have a caste system. Rich kids have like 7000 times the chance of getting into a good school, i am pretty sure they aren't working 7000 times harder or have 7000 times the maturity, personality, morality and IQ.
@@emilianosintarias7337 The bulk of Republicans running are trying to push for Open Choice Schools or a Chunk of Money Credit for Christian or Private School/ School Voucher Program of some kind. I know not all neighborhoods have Equal School Quality & regardless of income - citizens regardless of income should receive Equal Quality Teachers & Educations. I think a few of the Republican Candidates for President are pushing for that.
@@emilianosintarias7337holy fk your racist . Are you seriously coorelating affirmative action with being poor ?
did your grandfather fight for this country and then come home and see the benefits of the GI bill go to his fellow white soldiers but not to him simply because of his race? for the last 150 years there was a government installing policies that purposefully gave black folk the short end of the stick, and a public where more than 50% of non-black folks use black folks as a scapegoat for everything wrong in their own lives...lives which are as successful as they are because of the structures that exist in the society for a free person to work and receive a fair compensation, none of which would exist if not for the efforts of black folks forced to build this country's wealth for some twisted psychopaths who didn't mind having babies with their slaves, but were unwilling to let them in the main house.
Putting a kid into a college they’re not academically qualified for, is hurting them, not helping them.
Agreed. Some woke universities pass them anyway though in the interest of dIvErSiTy.
And putting students in these colleges whose parents paid their way is not any better, that would be majority
@@rbgsista9236 Red Herring.
Wrong.
Not true... the only way we balance the work field is getting minorities in positions of power so they have hiring power, that currently is basically in the hands of white men. Until that
You forgot to mention that Ellie is a race hustler. Nobody would know who he if he didn’t have racist, ridiculous takes on the law.
If you say so, if that’s the case the entire Republican Party are race hustlers
ben Ferguson was home schooled by his mom until 10th grade. he went to real school for two years. his parents set him up with talk radio when he was 13 and molded him into the moneymaker he is today. he knows only controversy and acting smug. he is a 40 yr old over sheltered momma's boy who has done one thing his whole life: try to make liberals angry and being petty in order to get attention.
You don't think it was Republicans using a form of "Affirmative Action" when they put Herschel Walker up against Warnock in GA last year? There were more intelligent, eloquent white folk but they bet on a black man with name recognition who threw up word salads the way he threw off defenders when he played for Georgia and in his early career with the Cowboys. Most folks who talk about race, either for its use or against its use, are race hustlers. True race abolitionists who don't want it to be part of how we operate as a nation are a rare breed.
The issue came about because of complaints by Asian students. Funny how these things are never mentioned.
Funny how Asian students got screwed by affirmative action
The black community must stop feeling it is entitled and holds a moral high ground when it comes to racial preferences.
How are you going to tell the black American how they should feel?? Who are you to even question the black community?
White women needs to stop benefiting from AA and using it as a basis to get hired. Statically speaking biggest users of AA!😅
@@mrerick0363652 the white community.
@@mrerick0363652 Maybe the black community should stop throwing a temper tantrum and think taking away their entitlements so that they are treated like everyone else is oppression.
How entitled is it that Michelle Obama called in from her private yacht off the coast of Greece to say this is oppressive to the black community.
Last I checked you don't see hordes of Asians looting convenience stores and shooting up their neighborhoods while setting fire to their communities or flash robbing.
Even we Arabs call blacks (Zanj), Abeed or Abīd (slave)
"We know that the Zanj (blacks) are the least intelligent and the least discerning of mankind, and the least capable of understanding the consequences of actions"
Jahiz (d. 868 AD), Kitab al-Bukhala'
"[inhabitants of sub-Saharan African countries] are people distant from the standards of humanity" "Their nature is that of wild animals...."
Persian geography Hudud al-`alam, 982 AD
About the Zanj: "Their nature is that of wild animals. They are extremely black." About the Sudan: "Among themselves there are people who steal each other's children and sell them to the merchants when the latter arrive."
Hudud al-`alam, 982 AD
"If (all types of men) are taken, from the first, and one placed after another, like the Negro from Zanzibar, in the Southern-most countries, the Negro does not differ from an animal in anything except the fact that his hands have been lifted from the earth,--in no other peculiarity or property,--except for what God wished. Many have seen that the ape is more capable of being trained than the Negro, and more intelligent"
Philospher-theologian Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201-74), Tusawwurat
"Beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."
Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah
"The Zanj are so uncivilized that they have no notion of a natural death. If a man dies a natural death, they think he was poisoned. Every death is suspicious with them, if a man has not been killed by a weapon."
Abu Rayhan al-Biruni, India, 1030 AD
"Like the crow among mankind are the Zanj [blacks] for they are the worst of men and the most vicious of creatures in character and temperament."
Jahiz, Kitab al-Hayawan, vol. 2
"Therefore, the Zanj nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Blacks] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated."
Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah
تعريف و معنى زنجي في معجم المعاني الجامع - معجم عربي عربي
ما هو معنى كلمة زنجي؟
الزِّنْجُ : جيلٌ من السودان يتميز بالجلد الأسود، والشعر الجعد، والشفة الغليظة، والأنف الأفطس، يسكن حول خط الاستواء، وتمتدُّ بلادهم من المغرب إلى الحبشة، وبعض بلادهم على نيل مصر. و الزِّنْجُ يطلق الآن على بعض السُّلالات المنحدرة من القبائل الإفريقية أَنَّى استوطنت. والجمع : زُنوج.
Ummm, you can be any human being from any walk of life and see what’s going on. So yes, the black community needs to stop whining and understand enough progress has been made to level the playing field for all. You must compete with the rest of us. No more handouts!! It’s time to have a merit based society to advance our civilization!! Black folks there is no systemic racism against you. You’re free. None of you alive today experienced slavery. You’re not oppressed!! America won!! Affirmative Action is gone!!
They were discriminating based on race, we’re supposed to be better than that. Its not ok to discriminate against asians
How were they discriminating against Asians?
@@jeremyc5882 They were purposely raising the bar so asians had to score higher to be considered equally as other races.
It doesn't discriminate against Asians.
@@chrisk2734 tf? I just showed you a concrete example in which it does lol
The schools are majority Asian lol how is that discrimination
Elie is an AA lawyer. Lol
ben Ferguson was home schooled by his mom until 10th grade. he went to real school for two years. his parents set him up with talk radio when he was 13 and molded him into the moneymaker he is today. he knows only controversy and acting smug. he is a 40 yr old over sheltered momma's boy who has done one thing his whole life: try to make liberals angry and being petty in order to get attention.
Why can't anyone speak to each other Respectfully... Lol that was a circus
Ellie tried, but ben is a typical prick who lives a sheltered life. pay him enough and he will say whatever you want him to.
ben Ferguson was home schooled by his mom until 10th grade. he went to real school for two years. his parents set him up with talk radio when he was 13 and molded him into the moneymaker he is today. he knows only controversy and acting smug. he is a 40 yr old over sheltered momma's boy who has done one thing his whole life: try to make liberals angry and being petty in order to get attention.
Legacies, talents - such as art, music and sports, etc should not be considered for an academic course in University/College. Race shouldn't be considered. What should be considered and adjusted is socio-economic backgrounds, education of parents, learning/physical/intellectual disabilities. All of these affect the starting point of a child's education and the progress they make through education and are a disadvantage so that you can't compare them against someone whose parents are educated and can afford to buy the resources to provide an educational environment at home and for those students who learn at a slower pace because of a disability. They should be given the same opportunities to higher education.
I love this! More please!
every single student (of any race) has to academically qualify before any additional factors (parents went to school there, parents gave money to the school as a "donation" or an applicant's sports, drama, race, finances, background, essays, etc.) can be known/considered. that's what the admissions boards do; they look at raw numbers first (grades, test scores) and THEN they are able to look at the additional information.
They better figure out another way to help out black Americans and others who have been left behind… The plutocracy is soft perpetuating with rich kids, getting better schooling from an early age and help with their SATs, etc.
You make a company that values diversity and hires with that in mind - I will create a rival company that hires based on merit. My company will put your company out of business very quickly.
Quite true but the game is rigged with ESG. If your company refuses to follow ESG, woke investment firms won’t recommend/buy your stock so your stock price will remain suppressed. If you’re a private company, you still receive pressures in the form of suppliers/partners/etc. who will require/pressure you to adopt ESG before they’ll transact business with you. ESG is a diabolical scheme that’s weakening our nation like a disease and discriminating against Caucasians, asians, and males in the process.
That company is TSMC. For a long time, TSMC only hires students from top schools in Taiwan and if you know Taiwan’s college system, it is 100% merit-based except very few spots for native Taiwanese. You can see TSMC is doing very well.
I am not partisan in this issue, but this is a stupid argument. If college = a company, either pay the students a salary or call it employee training and make businesses reimburse employees for their former tuition. If college is instead a public good for creating thoughtful, educated, well rounded citizens, then ideally you would automatically get enough diversity in your company just by hiring colorblind on merit. The issue at hand is, does AA help this latter thing happen or does it just discriminate and divide? And beyond that, there are other connecting issues that could moot this whole dilemma of pro vs. con on AA.
every single student (of any race) has to academically qualify before any additional factors (parents went to school there, parents gave money to the school as a "donation" or an applicant's sports, drama, race, finances, background, essays, etc.) can be known/considered. that's what the admissions boards do; they look at raw numbers first (grades, test scores) and THEN they are able to look at the additional information.
@@emilianosintarias7337 did your grandfather fight for this country and then come home and see the benefits of the GI bill go to his fellow white soldiers but not to him simply because of his race? for the last 150 years there was a government installing policies that purposefully gave black folk the short end of the stick, and a public where more than 50% of non-black folks use black folks as a scapegoat for everything wrong in their own lives...lives which are as successful as they are because of the structures that exist in the society for a free person to work and receive a fair compensation, none of which would exist if not for the efforts of black folks forced to build this country's wealth for some twisted psychopaths who didn't mind having babies with their slaves, but were unwilling to let them in the main house.
I disagree with both AA and legacy admissions
I never saw color until i worked for the federal government for over 25yrs and saw people getting positions over the person doing the job and they have no knowledge of the job. Affirmative action should only happen when you have equally qualified candidates.
And dealing with this all around you does make you question qualifications over quotas. Sorry
Imagine claiming that judgment on merit alone hinders black admission
It's not about black or racial admission. It's about the disadvantages that children face from birth that means they don't have the same opportunities as others. eg: Compare a child that has parents with low education, no money to be surrounded in educational materials such as books, etc ... to ... a child who has highly educated parents who read to them nightly from birth and is surrounded by books, art, educational toys etc. They start school with completely different experiences and readiness for education and have a huge gap between the points they are on the curriculum. The disadvantages the first child has experienced will continue through their educational life. That child could have a much higher IQ than the 2nd child but because of the disadvantages in their life, doesn't have the same opportunity.
Oh man . As soon as a saw the thumbnail - I knew where this was going to go.
Discrimination was wrong years ago and it is wrong now. Bravo Supreme Court
The core problem is that there should be more support for black americans from the start. Like better funding of the school system. Black americans build the US while the asians only benefit from the system.
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Exactly! We need affirmative action for the NFL and the NBA!
Nothing will change. Colleges don’t have to be honest about what they are doing and they have shown that race is ALL they care about.
Yep, even justice Roberts (he’s an idiot) gave them an “out” by using essays about racial struggles to evaluate applicants. There’s a huge backdoor that will keep affirmative action in place.
@@dalesyang That's right.
What a mess for our young people
Both of these debaters are right and wrong in different ways - affirmative action in itself forms a dangerous precedent in that someone's skin color is an adequate basis for the privilege to attend any university, which is inherently an unfair concept. I see no reason why a rich black student should have a significant advantage over a poor Vietnamese/Chinese/Japanese immigrant. Considering multiple studies have shown that, on average, a student who identifies as asian must score 140 SAT points higher than whites, 320 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points higher than African-Americans to gain admission to any university, discriminating on the basis of skin color, in any case, seems wrong, regardless of who the policy claims to protect. Especially considering many of these other groups (including Asian Americans), have faced similar oppression, though certainly not to the same extent as African-Americans.
Also, while affirmative action claims to protect and bolster the lives of minorities, it actually has no effect on graduation rates in the states it's been implemented in, and has shown to lower average graduation rates for these minorities... How does putting a less-qualified student in college, who, on average, is given more leniency in GPA, SAT scores, EC's, volunteering, etc. help them in the long run? Statistics based on the 9 states who have implemented it have reasonably concluded it doesn't have a significant positive effect.
Also, income-based action is, if done properly, completely reasonable, as someone who is poor will objectively have a harder time getting to where they are than someone who is born rich. This also aids in systemic racism in a way I believe is adequately reasonable, without offering blatant discrimination on the basis of something you cannot control.
On the other hand, I see no reason why Ben doesn't concede the point that legacy admission is unfair for the reasoning that "private universities are inherently separate from public universities, and they choose their own rules." This, simply, is not true - many colleges operate by similar admission processes, and legacy admission is a fundamental aspect of the majority of colleges' admission processes. Again, it forms a lack of meritocracy based on your 'lucky spawn' in life, and also is an inherently unfair concept to anyone applying for college. Both should be removed, and I hope legacy will be next on the chopping block.
Elie literally licked his lips when old boy said "if you knew about the subject"
They got Q-Tip on that panel, in his eyes, everything is Racist
It looks like a mushroom cloud. Someone blew his mind…
@@guydud3 It was clearly a joke. The point is, he looks and acts like a damn clown.
I really wish they had spent an hour or more debating the subject instead of rushing through the conversation… This is why podcasts will ultimately beat out this short format… This ended up just being two guys yelling at each other
The average IQ for North East Asians (Chinese, Japanese & Korean) is between 105-110, for Europeans it's between 95-100, for Latinos it's between 85-90 and for African Americans it's between 78-83 and for Sub Saharan Africa itself its between 66-71, anything under 80 and you will struggle in an advanced western society, it's the elephant in the room which no one wants to talk about
In our society it's okay to laugh at Asians for being nerds with smaller d!cks than blacks but it becomes racist to say they have higher IQ than blacks
Ben Ferguson is correct, whether people like to admit it or not. And here is the question to all you social justice people, why not start your own private schools? You certainly can, so why not?
ben Ferguson was home schooled by his mom until 10th grade. he went to real school for two years. his parents set him up with talk radio when he was 13 and molded him into the moneymaker he is today. he knows only controversy and acting smug. he is a 40 yr old over sheltered momma's boy who has done one thing his whole life: try to make liberals angry and being petty in order to get attention.
Skin color should never be a criteria for being accepted at a unversity, but academic performance and only this.
It was hard to get the words out…between two talking people. Hmmmm…
Why do networks keep platforming Elle. He's pure emotion, never a thoughtful argument. Just grievance politics. I've never seen him calm, once. On any channel, ever. Send me a link and prove me wrong.
Legacy admissions will be challenged next.
If they want to help young people, they have to make sure they get raised by they fathers.
Kids from single mother households do worst in school and in life in general.
did your grandfather fight for this country and then come home and see the benefits of the GI bill go to his fellow white soldiers but not to him simply because of his race? for the last 150 years there was a government installing policies that purposefully gave black folk the short end of the stick, and a public where more than 50% of non-black folks use black folks as a scapegoat for everything wrong in their own lives...lives which are as successful as they are because of the structures that exist in the society for a free person to work and receive a fair compensation, none of which would exist if not for the efforts of black folks forced to build this country's wealth for some twisted psychopaths who didn't mind having babies with their slaves, but were unwilling to let them in the main house.
Fredo still has a job?
Affrimative action is a good way to avoid confronting the real issue. If black kids are 'disadvantaged' by the system, FIX THE FUCKING SYSTEM! Sort out the inner city schools that are failing these kids, sort out the cultural propensity for fatherless households, and gang/drug culture that is preventing these kids achieving their potential. The way to help 'disadvantaged' kids is to stop disadvantaging them. And stop lying to black kids that they can never succeed because the world is against them.
And one way to stop foisting “disadvantage” upon them is by way of affirmative action dummy🤨
Although I agree with that, you have to take your own advice and keep going to the reasons behind THOSE things too. So at that point you have to be ready to be put in prison or assassinated because you are talking about going up against corporate capitalism and class/caste society in general. The problems in black culture are the result of politics and economics much more than vice versa.
Ben is loud and rude.
Never once argued with any cogent reasons that affect people of color.
Racist libs. Dems do exactly opposite what Dr king fought for
@@dalesyang yes, he’s saying put kids in college based on color & not merit. Opposite of MLK Jr stance
ben Ferguson was home schooled by his mom until 10th grade. he went to real school for two years. his parents set him up with talk radio when he was 13 and molded him into the moneymaker he is today. he knows only controversy and acting smug. he is a 40 yr old over sheltered momma's boy who has done one thing his whole life: try to make liberals angry and being petty in order to get attention.
The fact that a radio host can look at a lawyer and tell him he dont understand tha laws speaks valumes. This just show that debating is most just showcase ans who can make a better delivery
Lawyers break laws all the time.
@@dfv671 of course they do but they know the law and how to break it
@@idlereportbeing a lawyer doesn’t mean you are right. So by logic this lawyer shouldn’t argue because the judges who are more qualified/experienced decided against his wish.
ben Ferguson was home schooled by his mom until 10th grade. he went to real school for two years. his parents set him up with talk radio when he was 13 and molded him into the moneymaker he is today. he knows only controversy and acting smug. he is a 40 yr old over sheltered momma's boy who has done one thing his whole life: try to make liberals angry and being petty in order to get attention.
Q tip sees his meal ticket slipping away. Race hustling is lucrative to blow hards
The less thans can't make it without affirmative action. We must bring it back or they'll be losers just like their grandparents and their grandparents and so on. HELP THE FAILURES!!!
Eli put the smack down on that guy.
ben can't let Ellie make a full sentence without interrupting cause he is scared of the substantive points cause he knows he will lose the argument and instead acts like an asshole (which won't fly in a real consequential debate...that is, court)...ben would be in contempt and lose the case for his client, which is why he is a sh!ttalker instigating little punk rather than a real member of society. so many people in these comments are wishing they were ben too...this country is f'd.
Ben is a jerk and rude! The POINT is to have an intelligent conversation. Elie is case on point.Thank you, Elie!
That Q-Tip? LOL!
Elie kept yelling and insulting and made it personal. He is clear case of why affirmative action was bad.
Now get rid of legacy advantages and maybe Chris doesn’t get into his college back in the day
There needs to be a commercial with all the Republicans names listed that received PPP Loan’s forgiven or not. Vote 🇺🇸💙🇺🇸 These nuts have to go.
Forget about college, just give all Black, Hispanic and Native people PhD diploma the day they born. End of the debate, everybody happy!!!
Stop using "we the Asian Americans " for the ruling. This isn't about Asian Americans.
Congratulations on posting one of the most racist comments I have seen on this topic. We should ignore bias against Asian Americans because it doesn’t matter? You are pathetic.
Asian Americans filed the complaint, it is about them lol.
Admissions should be based on merit and nothing else, this was a good decision and next they should end legacy admissions.