Ikko Ikki Abridged #0 | In A Past Life... | Shogun 2 Master of Strategy Mod Commentary
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2020
- Because I had to make a video out of something, here is some commentary on me attempting and failing the Ikko Ikki campaign in the Master of Strategy mod for Total War Shogun 2! Next time will be the beginning of a more successful campaign. Watch this part to get some insight on the plan for the real first part!
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Losing is how most of my Ikko Ikki campaigns hit midgame, I feel your pain.
"it's ya boi" I laughed so hard XD
It is our boi
@@romulusnuma116 Stalin would be proud #communism
Kanitjiwa it's ya boi
"It's yari boy."
The hated Daimyo who beats you down and beats you down and never let's up! It's ya boi, Devin!
Yes more Shogun 2 campaign things. I love these
It's good to see you back on Shogun 2, I discovered your channel with Barbarian Masters it was one of the best Total war let's play I have seen on youtube
I love those pre-Rome II total war campaigns.
Hardest and luckiest campaign i had with this mod and clan loved every second of it and now you playing it made my day and long time wish happened
YES! I’ve tried at least a dozen times to make the Ikko Ikki campaign work with various strategies, this makes me just want to try again
I really enjoy your videos but I’ve never come across a channel that pays less attention during his campaigns
If i paid attention it would be way too easy!
@@OfficiallyDevin True. Sounds ligit.
I really like this style of video. Very engaging.
Hey Devin, not sure if you knew this or not about matchlock units but here is a juicy tip lol:
When using matchlock units, as soon as an enemy steps within their arch of fire, command a fire order on that enemy unit and the matchlocks will organize and fire much faster than they would otherwise. I tested it out a few times and the matchlocks appear to fire almost immediately after the order is given instead of waiting for the enemy to walk further into the arch of fire.
If the enemy is outside of the firing arch, the matchlocks will shuffle forward and that seems to mess up the timing, so it is important that the enemy be JUST within the firing arch. The matchlock unit might shuffle a little bit, but they should fire faster.
This method is vicious with matchlocks on fire by rank when they are on a steep hill. In testing, a one chevron matchlock ashigaru in vanilla on a fairly steep grade in fire by rank versus almost any foot unit (save for archers) can nearly kill them entirely. Samurai seem to get to the matchlocks but it is still a dramatic difference in killing power simply by manually firing when the enemy just sets foot within the firing arch.
The only draw back is that it can be micro-intensive if you have tons of matchlock units/hectic fighting.
I didn't know that. Micro would be the main issue there, but if there is a small battle I will give that a go, or even in siege defenses where you don't need to micro as much. Thanks!
YESSSS DEVIN!!!!
I was hoping sooooo bad you would do a video on this mod for Shogun 2! I’m personally a Shimazu junkie. Every single time I play the game as any other faction, I end up going back to the Shimazu. :P
Can’t wait for the other videos man!
There is something satisfying about starting in the corner and working your way along the map. But here at the offy d corp we endure being in the middle and surrounded by hostile factions, for the sake of drama!
@@OfficiallyDevin Remembering how you Game of Thrones'd the Shimazu to death in your Barbarian Masters series. Ah those were the days
098765 Craper Go ahead. My Yari Samurai with upgraded weapons will take care of them. ;)
098765 Craper Can’t Spam Blunderbuss. That’s just got noob written all over it. Might as well have use the “pike army square” tactic from Rome 1. And a 4 capped missile limit like how the “normal” rules are online, I’d still take the chance. Can’t win an entire battle with missiles and Calvary! Unless you’re playing single playing of course! :P
098765 Craper Meh, that’s just your opinion. And that’s fine. Because I’m polite and civil! :D. I’m just a huge Shimazu fan. Mainly because of their starting position. I just love starting on an island or in a southern spot. Kinda like Sparta and/or Egypt in Rome 2. But I never knew people could play online with the MoS mod. I thought it was unsupported.
But if it is, I never seen a single person play with the same version and I’m constantly online.
But yeah, I mean, I think anyone that knows how to play a Total War game and something about melee warfare tactics can beat any AI army in Shogun. Or any Total War. Even if they have the most elite units and you have half the army size and starting units.
18:14 There's the group function, bottom one of the buttons next to the unit cards. It's kinda clunky, but it's the same is in later TWs.
Ikko Ikki is one of the starts I have never bothered with in MOS, was never a fan of the split campaign borders. im excited to see you figure it out!
Thank you Devin
the birth of a new series
Monk agents are very important to Ikko Ikki playthrough, both for reducing public order as fast as possible but also when sending them out to incite unrest in enemy territory.
Yay! Shogun 2 is my favorite and Ikko Ikki is my favorite clan, may the trash stacks prevail!
Yess couldn’t agree more with the negative net unrest gain. For me without the added mod MoSS was nigh unplayable which is such a shame because it’s a fun mod unrest mechanics aside.
The Ikko Ikki in MoS! I've played this faction several times, it's a fun campaign because the obvious goal is to make corridors connecting your three pockets, which is made all the better by the fact that the Kansai region is a complete mess and always at war. IIRC something about the new version of Master of Strategy ticked me off about it--I think maybe that Osaka castle no longer exists and a lot of units were taken out? But regardless, I love this mod.
Some tips on MoS because the tooltips are genuinely unhelpful sometimes:
1) as a general rule, rural, religious, and peasant/farm buildings give you net stability, while urban, industrial, mining, market, and some military buildings give you net unrest. Traditional industry also helps. At the start you can only build up peasant towns instead of samurai/urban towns, but this gives you stability so it's a good thing. Temples and farms will also help you.
2) Some trade goods are now much easier to get than others. I think the Ikko Ikki start off next to a productive incense node, I think it's a fortified temple near Osaka. Trading or taking provinces will give you incense for those warrior monks pretty early.
3) Ikko Ikki are just a tough ride. Historically they were an anti-samurai movement, but also a part of the Imperial court and they propped up the Ashikaga Shogunate? It's kind of complex. Japanese monk politics are wild. Have fun!
Thanks for the tips! Even though I played MoS before, for whatever reason I don't remember the unrest system at all, maybe it used to be less of a big deal. Yeah Osaka doesn't get it's special castle, but I think you can build the historical one instead of the regular castle upgrades, which I'll try and go for.
@11:54 Oh baby a triple!
I believe if I remember this correctly the ikko ikki where violent extremist monks living in clusters in the mountains around Kyoto being a big pain in the butt to everyone around them. Conversion by the sword and that kind of nonsense.
Easiest way to combat unrest early on is lowered taxes. You can't really leave them on medium and just exempt problem regions.
You are right, I try this in the next part, works well!
Banzai for the Battle Buddha, my zealous brethren!
Seven more lives for the base fellows! Oorah!
This demonstrates the main reason I don't see Shogun 2 as the best total war like many do. Early turns? Time to spawn full stack armies! Yay. Fun.
It is absolutely the best imo and the stacks are only due to his difficulty and the mod.
Devin will we ever get more THIS IS CONTENT? Make me laugh more than most videos on CZcams presently.
I think TIS (much like his NLPs) didn't get enough views for the effort old man Devin put into them. Which is a shame, of course.
Yeah pretty much stopped in favour of making videos like this since there are just straight up more popular than TIC or NLP, and they are straightforward to produce day after day without stopping. That said, I haven't been getting new subscribers for a long time, which is what I hoped spamming these videos would do, so really I have no idea what would be best these days.
@@OfficiallyDevin Alright.
Unrest as a religion is a mood.
Have you heard of the Sekigahara Campaign mod? It's old (as in, pre-FotS old) and has some issues because of that, but it's the only one I've played that actually tries to do its own thing with combat distinct from vanilla.
I played that mod many years ago, don't remember much though. I seem to remember it being too easy to win via spamming troops and autoresolving, but that was so long ago now I have no idea what it's like these days.
Blood stains? Leave zhat be!
Imagine being so pissed off with the ruling powers that you deconvert from your religion and make a whole new one centered around being pissed off.
If you hard group the units you can move the in big groups. I use it in my satake campaign on my channel.
Oh yeah, I never remember the groups thing, should try that out, thanks!
There is another method of defending a castle, if you think the interior space is big enough.
You station your melee unit in column formation behind the wall, preferably under tower or facing the concentration of enemy troops. You shoot them as they approach, and before the they climb over, retreat range unit behind melee column.
Enemy unit will only trickle up the wall, giving you numerical superiority in melee for quite a while, it's easier to buff them with your general, and most importantly, because of the awkward column formation, enemy unit for the most part will only slowly edge towards your melee unit, while your range unit pound them from both side.
Maybe you can test it out.
Sounds like it would work, I'll see if I can try it out sometime
@@OfficiallyDevin Thx for reading and replying comments !
O Jesus master of strategy... such a hard mod.
*YOOOOOOOOO intensifies*
Handicapping yourself to give the AI a chance, very honourable!
Does this mod still have guard mode for units? That allows your ranged unit to shoot while in melee, very useful.
Didn't know that applied to this game, better use it, thanks!
I saw all troop in the teppo ashigaru (which I think means iron gun) draw sword after some models made contact in melee. Guard mode should prevent that.
Your voice is almost identical to the narrator in Kings and Generals channel 😮
fuck YES
When I play shogun 2 total war I usually puck Ottomo
Lowering your taxes is a good way of keeping the unrest in check.
That's what I try in the real first part, makes things much easier actually, and money isn't that important in this mod
@@OfficiallyDevin Nice. Oh and also garrisoning your castle with general will also lower unrest by the same amount as you would with at three regular units.
"to clash with our trash" hahahahaha
You have to lower your taxes to stop the unrest
There is also local unrest and province unrest, thay work the same way but dont
Couldn't you use "spear wall" formation with yari ashigaru? It helps your spears to hold enemy significant longer, and sometimes even help you to defeat higher class enemy.
You can't use it in this mod, until you unlock it as a tech towards the end. So yeah, yari ashigaru are much worse compared to vanilla as a result.
OfficiallyDevin damn, sorry you have endured that, would be easier if you can use it
is devin the guy from kings and generals?
I'm starting to suspect you might prefer strategy games, as opposed to the newer Total War titles.
We haven’t had a narrative total war in a while
Probably won't for a long time, various other not total war things are planned for at least another year.
OfficiallyDevin fair enough was just curious since that was essentially your main thing for a while.
Did they ever remake the instability System? I found it difficult to expand due to it
It's definitely still there, more of a problem than it used to be imo, in the next part I use a mod to make it less of a big deal.
Pure Land Buddhism
"Like Buddhism with guns." ~IGN
I missed Shogun 2
Devin, Please bring back 1530's Kid memes!
But muh guns, they go boom
@@OfficiallyDevin I don't know why but that series legit made me laugh so hard. Are guns much better in the mod? I played lots of Vanilla Shogun 2 and never found a need to use guns.
Devin I would recommend getting the sub mod for this that removes unrest because it is just annoying and doesn’t have anything that makes the game more enjoyable (you just have to get the -1 and the -4 ones)
I got the -2 one for the next part. Hasn't been too annoying so far, but yeah I am considering just removing it, not that interesting in managing that stuff.
Please do another NLP soon
Will this be a narrative let's play?
No, the rest of the parts will be the same as this, but the trade of is that there will be lots of them quickly! real part 1 and part 2 will come this week.
4:22 Ahhh yes, OBS-san.
king and generals voice? lopl
Yesyesyesyesyesyesyeeeeeees
did he said that ashigaru units are trash ? I dont know what MrSmartDonkey would say to that ....
There is no yari wall for them in this mod until the end of the tech tree, so until then they are indeed just trash.
The mod also add more tiers between the ashigaru and samurai units (iirc) and the ashigaru have been debuffed a bit (again, iirc)
Is that you Baz battles?
Kings and generals!
Is this Fall of the Samurai or the base game? I also cant find this mod in the steam workshop, can anybody sent me a link?
Base game, its definitly in workshop, search master of strategy, there will be collections with all the parts you need
@@OfficiallyDevin the sengoku one or the fall of the samurai one??
Sengoku
Yeet
your voice sounds like the guys from kings and generals, i cant tell if youre literally the same person or not
I am! Check the credits of their videos
@@OfficiallyDevin well i say fantastic work on that and on this channel its become a new favourite of mine
Hello
Mods?
Master of strategy, its on the steam workshop