Socal Supermoto compares Foot out vs Kneedown vs Neutral!
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- čas přidán 23. 05. 2020
- We headed to Adams Motorsports Park which is our home for the Socal Supermoto School, and compared lap times of foot out vs kneedown vs neutral riding position. We let you know our lap time comparisons as well as general impression of each. If you'd like to join us for a school day you can sign up at Socalsupermoto.com!
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Foot out hurts a lot more when you crash (lowside).
i feel like foot out allows you to really tighten those arcs in the curves, but knee down allows better acceleration as you have less lean angle so more rubber contact patch
absolutely and riders like Dustin hoffman do both for that reason, start turn foot out and then leans inside as he gets on the gas
Great vid to watch before going to the school... I went a few years back- Best $200 I've ever spent!
Great video! Would love to come out and do a class. Unfortunately I live all the way in Texas. Some day!
You said it best, whatever you make work is fastest, theoretically knee down for fast long corners!
Ur awsome. Im learning. Ur school rocks.
yay!!!
This video should be attempted again 3 years later.
Awesome video, thanks. I'd love to hear about foot position on the pegs for knee down.
Outside foot ball of your foot on the peg, inside little weight, rolled slightly
Real pro move saving the audio for inside. Thanks!
No problem!
Thanks very much ❤️
You're welcome 😊
I enjoyed the video and Thanks for posting. I'd like to check out SoCal Supermoto someday. I have roadracing and motocross experience, but for riding on public roads I prefer neutral position for cornering. Although I seek out the twistiest roads I can find where I live here in Southern West Virginia - and there are plenty - they are still probably not as tight as what you would have on a kart or Sumo track. Plus, I don't want to draw too much attention to myself by hanging off the bike. Although when I do find super-tight 2nd gear turns I do put my foot out.
That's exactly what I do. Nuetral most the time, drop the foot on the tight hairpins. It's a great place to start and what we now teach
Great video! Results expected I guess. I wonder if tire condition (dirt form dire section) makes a difference - foot-out seems to balance the bike more over the centerline - maybe with a dirty tire, this helps with wash-out over knee-down? Dunno.
The main thing is the ability to better control slides allows for faster riding generally in varrying grip conditions
I think the best way is the one you feel better, but I personally do foot on the low gas/tight corners and knee in fast corners..
One think too look/think is that with the foot way you can easily correct a trajectory, straight up the bike faster etc, I think it's a more practical way to dominate the bike!
agreed, most rider will be faster foot out for multiple reasons.
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Also although I am a pretty green rider all things considered, and very green in regards to riding on asphalt. I completely agree with your point. For the average person it seems logical that they should probably stick with what they are most comfortable/skilled in. Practicing different methods certainly would only help...
Also like you mentioned with having your foot sdrag in a neutral lean it honestly seem like the only direct concern. Outside of that all these positions are simply different methods of weight distribution.
Am I way off or would you agree?
I totally agree with the do what feels right but at the same timeyou can call it a Supermoto but it's still a dirt bike and dirt bikes like to slide and the accents like to come outwhen you're kicking your leg out it's a lot easier to just kind of plopped on your butt
You guys go through quite a few people and their riding styles on your bikes. What are your opinions on handlebar styles and positions for supermoto? I see some handlebar positions in the video Id think would feel pretty awkward, like angled up and forward. But maybe Im missing something.
Usually pretty standard nuetral, but if tall I highly recommend RC double high bend!
Have you seen mike on bikes video on this? He pretty much came to the conclusion do what feels right for each corner
I'm an ex road racer and neutral just feels right. I keep my feet on the pegs on dirt bikes too unless I'm railing a deep rut where it would get in the way. Really don't need the knee down body position on a bike that turns as effortlessly as the SM.
no disagreement here!
yeah i was used to riding pretty nutral coming from my gs500 but riding neutral on my XT600 SM was wearing away my shoes and knee down felt weird, im going to give leg out a try
Best is to get lap times trying em all!
@@socalsupermoto I just ride on the street so can’t compare lap times xD not wearing my shoes through is good enough haha
Do you ajust the rake and trail of the front fork when you build a supper moto? And do you like a 16.5 front rim for supper moto?
a lot of riders will adjust suspension and offset. The shortcut to all of that is just buy a fs450 and ride the hell out of it until you realize you need to change thigs. Me? My personal bike is a near stock drz with the suspension firmed up and some dunlop q5. Good nuff, and super fun.
Hi what other model do you advise for a SM conversion? I really want EFI (not carb) and nimble agility since I’m new to bikes. Also it would be my in town commuter.
Yami XT250? KLX230R? Or..?
Can't go wrong with a klx300sm
I do neutral because I am too lazy for the other stuff. If anyone questions me, I just say its what Thomas Careyre does.
Good strategy.
Ha! Good call. I too am too lazy and generally do neutral on atleast half, def all chicanes
I have factory tires on my drz400 am and I'm wondering what you would recommend for street grip?
I think they use Q3+ at the school. Those are good street tires from what I've heard. I use Conti Attack SM right now, they are made with a compound specifically designed for supermotos. Since the bikes weigh so little, it will take a bit longer to warm up a typical sportbike tire on a supermoto. The Conti Attack has a softer compound to compensate, but you pay for it with reduced tire life. Honestly, tires are so good nowadays, it's hard to go wrong. I shred the canyons just fine on my DRZ with TKC80 adventure tires. My next street tire will be something cheap.
yep get some Q3+ and you'll be stoked!!!! cheap, awesome, and made in the usa. win win win.
Do you guys run 140s or 150s for the rear tire?
BuddeeDan 150 q3+!!!
@@socalsupermoto Do you guys have trouble with Q3+ cold? I span on one yesterday just coasting around the first corner at 30kph and never spun on a cold tyre before. Kinda ruined my confidence for a while.
I personally do FO (Foot Outs)
And TBH it saved me a Bunch...
It may be Dangerous and could break my Legs...
What do i do?
When my Front Tire slips, i place my foot down...
Literally saved me a Bunch
Every situation is different but I've seen on multiple occasions people with their foot facing backwards, from planting their foot. Didn't go down, but now have a broken tib fib. Usually there's less injury in crashing vs planting your foot. Once a crash happens your instincts take over anway, so i simply try to keep my feet on the pegs except for a quick bit at the apex
What’s a good tire pressure to run?? Q3 or 2CT??
Depends if it's for the track or the road. Road is 2.2 front and 2.5 rear. For track I'd say 1.9 front and 2.2 rear
we run q3 22 cold for the track, 28 street.
i dont get this why lean out in the corner as a motocross rider?
im using the sitt like its a roadrace bike with knee out and down lean over handlebar while seated with half the ass on the sadle in to the corner side.
hope this explane how i mean.
It's tricky for me doing like you do, in s-corners. I find it quicker transitioning twisting my ass on the saddle doing neutral. Although i recently started doing like you explain; knee out, leaning etc for long, fast and wider corners and it does feel more stable. But at lower speeds in tight corners i just find it more nimble with neutral.
@@Gibblo11 i get what you say and have to try neutral seating in s turns next time i get time on a track.
good to hear more then me finding that roadrace style feels more stable on long fast bends.
@@extec101 a bit late here but leaning the bike into the turn and keeping your body straight up which I guess would feel like leaning out of the turn allows the bike to turn tighter, you can push into the tires to keep traction whereas if you lean off to the inside your unweighting the tires. Plus your body is getting in the way of turning the bike. If you watch professional dirt riders practice turning they will dig a small berm to make a complete circle about 10-20 foot in diameter depending on skill level. Then they ride into it and do the foot out turning style. The pros that practice can usually keep the bike planted on the berm and not pop out of the circle after many rotations. Try doing that with a knee drag method and you probably won’t make it a quarter turn around before popping out. When you get good at the circle rut turns you find that your dang near sitting on the side of the bike but keep a lot of pressure on that outside foot peg. The whole foot out thing is pretty much just to get it out of the way of the ground. It doesn’t really add to any sort of form or anything.
Its crazy how yall can angle the bike that much! My fear stops me from doing that. Its not the fall but the damage of the bike that scares me.
Well for me it's def the fall! these bikes can crash all day :)
But if you learn to ride to the traction you have, you can lean it as needed without risk. No need to lean for lean sake. Contrary to what people think it's not the secret to getting fast
Surely hybrid is the way to go?
On a tight sumo / kart track, you don't have much time to transition for quick left-to-rights. But for big, fast and wide corners, knee down works better (for me).
It's all situational - I never knee-down on an MX track! ;)
I have found that I'm a little faster doing a mix at CRP in Ohio on my DRZ vs just foot out or just knee down. It depends on a lot of factors, and is better to judge it corner to corner instead of lap to lap
@NoNoNoNii cheap to run? Tires and fee, thats it. Every ~ 20-30h oil.
Compare that to a normal supermoto...
Compared to with your knee down you tend to get your foot stuck under the bike and roll your knee back
No elbow down? Cmon man! 😆
One thing's for sure, you will have way Less control using Neutral...
I prefer feet on but I don’t stay neutral I move around, like you do with your foot out
Like the actual fast guys, I've been playing around with keeping them on the pegs. I havn't compared times because I just don't care anymore, but It has been fun!
@@socalsupermoto awesome I love your videos I learn more from them than any other ones!
It’s so hard to find videos on supermoto lately
How much to be average?
$45
Most people spout BS and pretend to be all knowing. That said, I greatly appreciate and prefer your honesty + flexibility, if I wasn't tight on cash, I would love to be coached by you!
I went to Adams my first time about a month ago. Still not that great with slow-speed corners and wish I got to spend more than 2 hours there (had prior engagements that day).
When you’re ready we’re here!
Instinct tells me low centre of gravity bike; knee out. Higher centre of gravity bike; foot out.
In the real world it'll come down to what is most comfortable for you!
Hi. I'm 67 years old and have had so many bikes since High School that I can't remember them all. I currently have a Suzuki V Strom 1000. I love the twisties but, at my age, DO NOT want to crash. I've already screwed both shoulders up in dirt bike crashes and am too old and stiff to roll around on asphalt. I'm 6'7" and weigh 225lbs. I also never learned to wheelie unless I'm going up a hill. Well, the 1000 is getting too heavy and I want to have some dirt capability so am thinking of getting rid of the dirt bikes and the 1000, and buying this guy's DR650 Supermoto that I rode today. First time on a SM for me and it felt weird...like riding my KTM 525 on the street. But it started growing on me. But I found myself being tentative on corners, like, at what point do these tires lose grip? They were Michelin Pilot Road 5s. I think For some reason I'm much more confident on my 1000 with Michelins Anakees. Anyway, to my question... the guy has the stock rims and dual sport tires and will take the SM rims off and sell them separately if I want. If most of my riding will be street, with occasional dirt, would I be better off with SM rims with a dual sport tire, or stock rims with dual sport tires? What do you think? Thanks in advance.
Sorry so late getting back. Daily and mostly street I'd go sm wheels with some dual sport ish 17s on there. As far as confidence focus on actively countersteering with outside elbow up, and actively breathing. You do that and you'll slowly get comfortable with minor loss of grip. And honestly if you can do a day with us that would be a huge help!