EV owners are FLOCKING back to GAS cars... here's why
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
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A huge amount of EV owners will go back to #internalcombustionengine powered cars for their next purchase. Here's the reason. #byd #modely #model3 #ioniq5 #id4 #electric #toyota #honda #lexus #vw #ford #gm
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And they said, Akio Toyoda was stupid to say electric cars are not the future, and hybrids are.
He finally had the last laugh
He’s a hero, foresighted pioneer, and a true car guy.
Got clowned on why I spent the money on a plug in hybrid rather than a Tesla. Cue a few months later, Tesla cuts price on new cars which tanks the entire EV market with no end in sight, still. Meanwhile I can still sell my car for MSRP over a year later 🤷♂️
@ohchord9573
Yeah a lot of people said that.
I have both. EV is great as a daily.
Yay, go Toyota Prius 💀🤣🤦🏽♂️ hell no, I will literally rather go electric or combustion but whoever told you it’s hybrid is WEEEEIIRDDDD… I love my speed thank you very much
Tesla fan bois: “Toyota is going bankrupt by 2025” 😂😂😂😂
Might be the opposite
Tesla is more likely to stop existing before the Camry is redesigned again in 5-6 years.
Tesla's opportunity was passed when it decided that the cybertruck was more important than a model 2.
So does Tesla.
Tesla fan bois lack brain cell, they need to take their pills regularly
"Just one chocolate pretzel...."
The reason some people don't want EVs is because they're happy with what they've got. Imagine eating a chocolate pretzel and having someone come and constantly insist you rather eat a salty pretzel. You can't make someone want something, especially if they're happy with what they have.
Spot on.Alas, this Govt administration is going to screw everyone over in the end.
It’s amazing how auto CEOs got completely caught up in the EV hype curve, pivoted entire companies to EV production. 3 years later they are reading this impressive report and realize they 💩 the bed
I was Lexus IS owner went to Tesla and I don’t plan on going back any time soon. If you don’t have the means to charge it, then you can’t drive an EV. Means to charge means charging at home or work, not relying on the supercharger network.
Yes, this is a huge issue. Feds used $7B of our tax money for the program and have built exactly 7-8 in two years. Pathetic and shows not serious about it, but want the perception they are very serious.
@@twebb726 I think most has yet to be sent so there is hope
@Swaangin, I guess the vast majority of us Americans aren't buying them then. This is consistent with sales # across the US. Or it's that they are too tech laden and expensive to own, insure, and fix.
Wait till you have to replace the battery.
@@rxonmymind8362 Yes, but with nio you can do it in 3 minutes. There is no real reason for this on most EVs. With some million mile batteries, I would think leasing would be a better option.
Wait until the government start charging tax by miles driven on our cars (it doesn’t matter if it is gas, electric or in between
You don’t understand this will be EV only. In WA they charge a $250 EV only fee to make up for lost gas tax revenue.
They’re already trying to pass this here in Commiefornia
The government should charge a tax based on the miles driven multiplied by the vehicles weight. Roads cost trillions of dollars to build and maintain
@@avery4528Gee, how did we managed before without insane tax plans, I wonder.
@@0bzen22Damn, that hits hard. The government at one time used to reinvest the tax they collected for building infrastructure instead of throwing it away to minority support subsidies, politician bonuses, and EV subsidies.
Toyota Camry hybrid. 675 mile range. Refuels in 4 minutes.
I thought I was going insane at the height of the EV craze. As a lifelong car person and PC enthusiast, it was crystal clear that EV tech will progress quickly, and older EVs will be treated like an old PC. No one really wants it. And battery replacement can range in the tens of thousands. All the "gas" money they all saved does not even come close to the bath all EV owners have taken on resale value
It's like you think gas cars don't depreciate any worse than anything else.
Come back here when gas shoots up $5-10 a gallon in the US and we'll talk about depreciation.
@@sprockkets Dont hold your breath. In the meantime, EV owners can enjoy the $20-30k+ loss on depreciation. That's a whole new ICE car.
@@jimmyg7733 And when gas was sky high in 2022, used teslas were going for more than new, and the price of them new went up by thousands because of high demand.
Also factored in depreciation was the $7500 tax credit all EVs received for the past 8 plus years.
I could care less about depreciation - my 2003 toyota corolla went from $16,000 to $10000 in two years. Thanks to incentives from my power company, a 200 mile drive costs me $3.75, vs $21 in a 4 cylinder Kia. And that gas is $3.25.
@@sprockkets Gas cars don't lose range and don't require a $20k engine replacement after 10 years. No one wants an old phone that doesn't hold a charge and has outdated tech, no one is going to want an old EV either.
Yep - between depreciation that is the fastest of any car type and increased insurance costs - it’s the dumbest purchase you can make.
Hybrid cars make the most sense right now. No range anxiety, greater range than any EV, more reliable, etc.
Exit your ICE bubble. Much LESS reliable. Two drive systems, all the expensive maint. and repairs of ICE. The first scheduled maint. of my Chevy Bolt was 150K miles for a coolant change.
i love my ICE mustang V8! only lil girls drive hybirds
@@davidmccarthy6061 My ice is 24 years old this year and no major repairs (it's a turbo four). It still drives great. It's been paid off for 19 years and I've saved a lot of money. My insurance is only 50 per month. I live in the central valley in california.
@@badboy-gn8fu I see a muscle car. I know the driver has a butt plug in and was touched by his uncle as a kid.
@@badboy-gn8fu somebody's compensating
I get 40mpg on my honda Accord hybrid. What more can you ask for, 530+ mile range . EV dont even come close to that range, and you are paying double the price that's going to depreciate faster than an ICE car. Sounds like EV cars are a liability rather than an asset.
Cars are not assets.
@@hoofzy Cars are assets if people are willing to pay more than mrsp.
As a dude who has a Honda accord, I will never be sticking with it.. a Tesla has literally every down better. Century mode, cheaper, zero maintenance, absolutely keyless, one pedal driving (regen), gorgeous updates, better car software, better speakers(I absolutely love good speakers), better acceleration (Especially than a hybrid good god), & MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better ride quality…. I’ve done Uber out here in Vegas & NOT funnnn with Honda quality…..
lucid gets about 510 miles of range and the gravity there suv is gonna get even more so
@@DreDresChaptersTesla is trash, that’s why they slashed their prices to a bargain bin level. At least they’re worth their build quality now 😂.
Can’t charge at work, can’t charge at home. Sitting in a random wal mart parking lot for hours charging each month doesn’t appeal to me. Time is money!
Yep, an EV is not for you, it is for alot of other people tho that have a house and driveway, time is money, I enjoy waking up to a full car each morning rather than driving to a gas station, filling up, paying and leaving. Instead I just drive where I want. When I want. EVs are awesome. You have a gas station in your back yard.
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT Yep, for me and the millions of other people who park on streets, live in apartments or park in parking garages with no power. It’s not practical at all, and on road trips to the middle of the Arizona desert to visit family it’s not practical either. Isn’t a charging station for 25 miles where they live.
@@drumflip1253 I believe in free choice. An EV benifits me, it may not benifit others, but I do believe people that could genuinely benifit from an EV are being mislead on fears about stuff that isn't real or greatly exaggerated. Freedom is the most important thing.
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT Very well said , I have had my EV for almost 2 yrs no way would I go back to a gas engine car for every day use .
Lack of an infrastructure in the Midwest and Northeast is the primary barrier for me.
There is plenty of charging infrastructure in the Northeast. Traveling around New England is trivial with Tesla’s Supercharger network. Had no trouble traveling to and from northern New England to see the April eclipse.
You charge at home. When traveling teslas chargers are at intervals which can get you anywhere you need to go. NONSENSE. People have traveled all over the USA for the last half a decade many when the network was much thinner than it is now. I think you have no idea or have been living under a rock.
This is enough. Though I still find it annoying how many new gas stations there are with zero lvl 3 chargers
All of the EV enthusiasts accused the Japanese for being late to the "revolution". As if Toyota or Honda dont have years of experience and research lol.
There is just no replacement to pulling up to a gas pump and having your vehicle full of fuel in 10 min or less. With an EV, plan a lunch and some shopping while you're charging up your vehicle. I see EV charging stations becoming a high crime area soon.
Already are. Late at night. Clipping the cables for the copper
No replacement for having a full tank every morning that costs 20% the price at the pump. Never have to ever wait in that Costco line on the weekends.
Duh. A bathroom break and lunch stop takes more time than it does to charge. I have to spend 10 minutes watching the pump, whereas I do not have to wait with car while it charges. Therefore you spend more time gassing than I do charging because I am doing something else. Crime? Where did that come from. Well, get out of that crappy neighborhood you live in.
LOL. You are really in never never land.
@@ariip Nobody want's to hit the head and go shopping every time they need to fuel up their vehicle. I only said 10 min as that counts for the time to drive into the gas station, get out of the car, pay, pump and leave. Yes those charging point are going to start being a breading ground for theft, especially if they see a person sitting in a vehicle alone. People are struggling right now everywhere in the US, doesn't matter where anyone lives, crime finds the wealthy areas and EV owners are considered wealthy people to a criminal.
Toyota hybrids are the way
Na Toyota is trash now. Honda V6 for life
@@wallbangerzsportsToyota isnt trash.
@@wallbangerzsportshonda hybrid damm good as well as Toyota
Hybrids are shit
Tf is a hybrid. Just pick
Nothing should change until it’s as practical as an ice car, period.
It already is
Exactly. Charging a car is not rocket science.
@@whitecometifyhow so? I’m considering buying an EV
@@MBergymanAt home charging is fine. Try charging in a city, most chargers are located in parking garages.
Biased lmao. You were spoon fed gasoline, never meant there was NOT anything better
Charging infrastructure….Point blank…Period…
Plus charging time & range.
I understand merchants sold gasoline early on in America. In the Philippines away from the cities gasoline is sold by the liter Coca-Cola bottle. No pumps in the rural communities. I have witnessed outlets like Buc-ees having charging stations at their locations. It will come through determination, hard work and a willingness to provide where needed.
@@matrix-fh9tn I don't even like waiting 5 minutes in the grocery line, much less sitting an hour at risk of being robbed at a charge station.
@@tdhumphreys6516 How did you go from Phillipines coke gasoline to buccees installing charging stations?? What kind of other earth analogy is that.
I hate waiting to fill my trucks with gas! Conveniently my ev vans are full every morning ready to work 10 seconds to plugin at night! I don't like paying my employees to stop and pump gas in the morning when they can be on the jobsite working making me money. It is that simple. Avg 20 min x2 people @ 60 per hour, you do the math it adds up fast. Notice I didn't mention the cost of fuel.
My problem with EV's is the lie about the range, and it isn't enough. I want 400 consistently.
Do you drive 400 consistently
@@mcsike7264thank god someone said that 😂.
Also, I can give you 300 guarenteed every time you wake up? Without having to go to a gas station to fill up?
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT these ppl think there super human or something they ever get hungry tired or need to go to the bathroom XD surprise they even stop for gas since they are in such a hurry all the time 🤣
I always felt like hybrids were the sweetspot. TOYOTA WAS RIGHT... AS ALWAYS.
Are they right about their new truck engines blowing up? They fail at times too.
Toyota was right hydrogen entered the chat 💀
@@ewxlt Mainly turbo charged engines blow up in hybrids, naturally aspirated engines perform well in Toyota hybrids.
I gave away my Honda gas lawn mower last year, went electric. My lawn is hilly that was more than a match for the electric's self propel and the battery died after a few uses. Went back to ICE. This soured the EV car waters for me.
Ppl thinking they are early adapters now realize they have been too early.
Gas, gas, gas, I'm gonna step on the gas, tonight ill fly, and be your lover
Initial d 5th stage
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Gas? Diesel bro!
Sorry, but my ev suv which seats 7 does 0-60 in under 3 seconds and passes a hellcat and all but supercars on the highway. Also costs me 1/4 of what your gas sedan (nevermind a gas suv) does to fuel and its brakes will last over 200k miles. I think one could say you are a fool. Might be a legitimate statement. Sorry, but smarter people make better lovers and that you are not. Not to mention that by ev and all teslas are safer than any gas car (go look it up, not even close) and also have better handling, stability and are less likely to get in an accident than any gas car so we will survive in greater numbers than you. Survival of the fittest.
SPEEDY SPEED BOY
99% home ownership guess is crazy. what a disconnected take
My buddy is one of those 40% folks. He had a 2012 Model S and traded it in for a Hybrid Highlander.
Reasons he ditched his Tesla:
1. Suspension repair was almost $8k
2. Battery degradation and repair cost to replace his battery.
3. Traveling charge anxiety.
He likes to travel and charging his Tesla required planning for charging stations and TIME. He hated the time it takes to charge and how it lengthens his trip time to his destination.
He is far more happy with his Hybrid Highlander.
I'm a tesla hater, but the 2012 Model S is Tesla's first car they built themselves, what did that person expect LOL
@@sprockkets With a little over 10 years of ownership, it would cost him a lot more to repair than a regular gas car.
The main reason is he likes to travel and he values his time. Sitting and waiting 30 mins to an hour depending where he can charge it is something he couldn't get over.
Explain in detail the 3 points you are trying to make, no general statement. What EV did he have?
@@vancity2349 What does me explaining in detail on the 3 points do for you? That's something my buddy can answer because I didn't ask him specifics on the 3 details I listed.
@@vancity2349 Read the original comment again. The car's model was stated. The reasons for trading said car were also stated.
Its kind funny, everybody want more supercharging/fast DC charching but thats what destroys batteries. Up North because its cold batteries dont hold charge well, but down South heat destroys batteries. It appears that California is the perfect place to own EV.
EVs is a bad idea. It always was a bad idea. Some people have to go through the school of hard knocks to learn that.
They should go to Hybrids like the Camry or Accord.
The Chinese say electric vehicles are like moving surveillance cameras.
An EV is a great commuter car. Nothing more. But with affordability, charging infrastructure, residual value still lacking, combined with increased insurance premiums, rising electricity costs and proposed "per mile" taxes EVs have basically hit a huge roadblock in adoption.
Rising electric costs? Ours dropped by .03 per kWH. Down from .14 to .11.
You can charge at home for super cheap off peak hours...
@@mowcowbell Ours have been rising since 2019.
I have owned a PHEV for over a year and absolutely love it. I live in a location with temperature ranges from -30c to +40c, snow and strong storms and I have never had issues or stress with my PHEV. I see no reason to go to full EV as of yet. I also put on over 35k's a year, so I drive quite a bit in the city, on light offroad and highway.
Wonderful. But guess what, there is something even better. You just need to open your eyes and learn some new things. Unless you prefer to stick in your old ways. PHEVs are just gas cars with a little bit of ev stuck in. A frankenstein if you will. A compromise for multiple things. Rather than having the best of the best with one thing. Kind of obvious if it did not occur to you. We own 2 Tesla evs. over 140k miles. No gas for 5 years and no maintenance. You still have a gas car, plus an ev crammed in to the same body. Less space as a result. More problems, more complicated. You have 2 cars worth of parts and complication. Is that better? I think a 5 year old would understand why that is not a good thing. BTW, we can drive all over the country, in winter, in summer, does not matter. The fact is our car is going to handle better, be better in the snow due to the physics, balance etc. Our evs are also the safest cars ever tested; not even close.
I have to go back to an ICE car after my ev experience. Why? The manufacturers are just not supporting the values they place on them. The amount of depreciation after just a couple years is totally unacceptable and it's destroying any brand loyalty. However the manufacturers don't seem to care. They should be guaranteeing residual values to keep customers happy.
So where are all those guys who told me that I was full of 💩 for saying that full BEVs were not even close for mass adoption and usage?
The best thing about EV's is that they identify idiots.
Buy an EV you're stupid. Buy a used EV and stupid doesn't even cover it.
You couldn't have said it any better.. EV'S IDENTIFY IDIOTS..🤡
Toyota is promising its 2027 generation of hybrids will use radically more efficient gasoline engines using combustion engineering learned from its hydrogen research
It doesn't help that New Jersey is punishing EV owners by charging a registration fee of $290 per year. An ICE car cost ~$75 per year.
That is absurd. A car is a car.
The cost of road maintenance should be shared by all car owners. ICE car owners contribute that in the form of gas tax.
Makes sense: EV owners don't contribute to infrastructure maintenance via the gas tax. They arguably contribute more to road wear and tear since they are heavier than the equivalent ICE car.
@@Seriously140 It's not absurd. Infrastructure and maintenance are funded by gas taxes. EVs aren't paying gas taxes but are using the roads so they need to pay up the difference.
lol if you can afford 70 grand for the average EV you dont care about an extra 200 a year registration
I have a Tesla, but if I didn't have charging capabilities at home I'd trade it in for a gas car, but I get 10 hours of free electricity every night (9pm-7am), and I have non EV vehicles for road trips.
My mother picked up a new '25 Camry, that is the way to go. The only reason I would EVER not go Hybrid and do pure EV would be if charging was free at work.
Not even. 'If I could charge at home', that's my threshold. And I can, but I don't need to. Charging at work... Yeah, not when there are 20 others competing for the spot.
And I wouldn't buy one, I'd lease one. Or even better, buy a dirt-cheap second-hand EV, charge at home, and do my 10-20 miles commuting.
@@0bzen22 I've thought about getting a used Tesla, since they are in the high teens to low twenties now, I guess we'll see... It would be pretty perfect since my round trip commute is only 20 miles.
Free charging at work? Nothing is free... someone will be paying...
@@ilollipop100 Well yeah, tax payers like me I guess...
Problem is, Democrats wanted to get this going too soon. Its going to take more time.
I have two gas powered current Lexus cars and don’t want an EV! They are crap and too problematic, I live in Canada and despite the government’s propaganda about EV’s they just aren’t practical. Besides down the road the government will want to implement Smart Cities and will be able to restrict you through these EV’s.
Spoken exactly like someone that has never owned an EV 😂
I genuinely considered an EV… I currently have a 2007 Lexus LS460L. I can easily go 500 miles on one tank of fuel. It takes minutes to fill up. I recently went to Oklahoma from California and back. It took 23 hours with only stops for fuel and food each way. Could you imagine how much time that would have added if I had an EV? I’ve gone from California to Washington, California to South Dakota etc. I only get so much vacation time every year, I don’t want to add days to a trip because I have to charge my car. I even recently went on a trip to the sequoia national forest in California. The hotel I stayed at in the park was literally ran on a diesel generator. There was no EV charging there. I just don’t think EV’s fit every lifestyle. Additionally, my car has nearly 200,000 miles. Maybe a delicately cared for battery could last that long but I doubt it. So I’d most likely have spent money to replace the battery by this point in time. Also, my commute used to be 180 miles a day, sometimes I visit and check in with my grandparents, making my total miles driven in one day over 300 miles. That means I’d have to charge my car on top of commuting and visiting family, I’m tired, I wanna go home and relax. Also my household has 4 cars, 2 park on the street, where would they charge? As for a used EV, how do I know the exact health and state of the battery? It could be good today and be bad tomorrow.
An EV doesn't sound like it's for you. Really what people need is consumer choice. The biggest benifit of an EV is cheap electricity at home, and always waking up with ~250 miles. If that isn't suitable, then EV infrastructure isn't there yet. It will be. One day. But not now. Till then, I will say now that on average the batteries outlast the cars (or have been the case for about 10 years now) which I think is cool, but makes sense if you think that all manufacturers warranty a battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles which is more than you'll ever get for a combustion car. As someone that used to own a gas car and switched to electric about 10 years ago, I would never go back, technology is always improving. And one day a consistent 500 mile EV will be possible. It costs too much right now though. But as I say, one day.
EV owners show that they don't have critical thinking skills IMO. A little foresight would go a long ways, like more than 300 miles :)
My EV has 350 miles of range (390 "stated" but we all know that's crap)
I wake up. Every day, to a full charge. Don't need to do anything. I essentially have a gas pump on my driveway. Nothing beats that.
lol EV was quite a Joke! It was pushed too strong for in the western countries. The charging is a waste of time. Just imagine you won’t have any time to travel or add an additional 1-3hrs of charge for an 2-3hour trip. Essentially a round trip becomes an entire day trip! Lol😅
my ice mechanic is 50% LESS THAN THE DEALERS FOR REPAIRS N MAINTENANCE. Not many EV mechanics w their own shops yet.
Not many things to brake in a ev m8
Lol I've been saying this for a while now! Great video brother.
Going back to gas cars and back to electing a president in November that doesn't wear diapers.
I don't want a car that need to be paired to a recent mobile phone with a internet plan and a credit card to go from a to b.
Amen to that !
VW is also refocusing on ICE.
Here in Comifornia electric rates are high and are going up again.
I plan to stay with gas powered vehicles.
I have 3 gas, no e.
I have a video from ~3 years ago, "I traded my Tesla for a RAV4 Prime". To this day I still don't regret doing that. EVs still have too many limitations. Hybrids and PHEV 100% make more sense in the next 5-10 years. BEV is niche tech still. And I bought my first Tesla 9 years ago. They are fun, I miss the acceleration but not at all on road trips.
We have 6 thousand Tesla sitting on the docks that are not moving here in Australia
Music too my ears...EV's are more damaging to the environment and the wallet.
No. And no.
The car I just sold was 16 years old. It still ran perfect. It was pretty cheap to run and super reliable (Japanese). An EV battery lasts ten years. My old car if not crashed could easily go on another 10 years. So just so we're all on the same page. Its WAY better for the environment to dig up all the materials and rare earth minerals for cars that last ten years over a car that lasts 25. Ok
Don’t forget about all the screens and tech that they rely on too! Who knows how expensive it would be to repair/replace that.
I was having a hell of a time getting my 1995 nissan truck to pass smog test in commiefornia. Went to a good mechanic and $300 repair and air sensor means the truck will last years to come. $300 vs $30k to buy another vehicle.
It's apparently not just a problem with the number of charging locations, but the number of poorly-maintained chargers out-of-operation, or chargers supplying a slower-than-anticipated charging rate. And I know, from past experiences during national oil shortages, how I feel about waiting in line for a gasoline pump (which is much faster than charging a battery pack).
Yes, the networks outside the Tesla networks are really hurting the EV perception on charging. If I had to use those I would be grumbling all the same.
@@hoofzy good thing tesla opening there network
I remember when the US and EU placed high tariffs and import limitations to Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s and still have some of those limitations today. They did that to a completely militarily neutral country who just made a better car than they did. In that perspective I think China, who is a literary military threat, should get more limitations with their EVs in US and EU. It only makes sense.
1 billion per charger..
The American goverment way 😂
I just read an article on the demographics of an Tesla owner. Mostly single males in their early 40s with an income of $150,000 per year. Show these cars will probably never be main stream.
I went back to the gas turbo Highlander after having a hybrid. Not worth the loss of driving enjoyment.
Houston to Orlando, I got about 1000 miles range in my 2023 Sienna Ltd (in car tank 640 mi + 360 mi (two 5 gal cans in the trunk) EVs can't do that. Hahaha....Btw, thank you Kirt for the exceptional contents and dedication to the automotive news and updates. Thank You.
Sorry I miss typed "Kirk"
EV/Battery vehicles are trash 🗑️..🤮
Not me, I love my tesla model x, my fiance loves their model 3, we have absolutely no intention on going back to a gas vehicle. We have tesla wall charger at-home in our driveway. We charge at home 99% of the time so we could care less if there's a charging station on every corner. We still have gas cars but we literally never drive them.
i always see teslas charging outside shopping centers with their drivers on their phone lol
wonder how much of their time they lose per year charging
who tf wants to buy a used EV?! if you get one you have to worry about the battery and if you need to replace it, which you do, will cost you over $25k or more!
No one. EVs are a waste right now.
Plenty of ppl buy used evs and they are just fine ppl blow the whole battery thing up way too much
@@mcsike7264 im not surprised..there will always be people who buy shit
You can analyzed the battery SOH (State of Health) in details and if fine, it will be ok to buy a used EV, much cheaper than new.
@@vstromanqc but it will not be fine. If you think a ten yr old EV doesn't need a battery replacement you're delusional. It's cheap for a reason, because the battery is almost dead and you'll be paying $25k or more to replace it. There are ICE vehicles with engines built in the 80s that are still on the road today..
And this is why u stick with a SIMPLE gas engine, everything is much easier all the way around.
Researching it a bit, much of those billions for chargers has not been spent yet.
EV charging networks can never be economic. Just apply a little bit of common sense. Firstly they are space inefficient due to the long refueling time, which limits where you can put them at sufficient scale to have an attendant guarding them from vandalism and generating the extra revenue from the convenience store. A refueling convenience store can not be profitable in the same small space as it can with gas refueling due to the much lower throughput of customers. Also fast charging power loads requires trunk grid connections which simply do not exist everywhere, else as more vehicles charge simultaneously the available power drops and all vehicles charge slower. Tesla is subsidized by selling carbon credits, which is just government redistribution. IOW an uneconomic, failure-directed paradigm.
Now, if we could just go back to more manual transmissions. 😉
Just like 150 years ago battery cars dont work it was a failure then and it will be a failure now. Stop this craze
Cheaper energy $ if charging at home and lower maintenance savings are main reasons to move away from ICE vehicles. The negatives though far outweigh the two main benefits. Negatives - faster rate of depreciation, higher insurance rates, higher repair costs, lack of trained techs, urban street charging challenges, evacuating areas during hurricane- thousands of cars need charging for 20 mins - wow, less range in extreme hot/cold weather regions, shorter tire life, and lack of used market transparency of how the battery was changed by previous owner (s) which leads to shorter battery life and high replacement costs. Also, 70% of global rare earth minerals are mined in China. It’s not prudent to have a high reliance of critical components from one source. Not sure what the answers to fix above challenges but the media keeps reporting that people aren’t buying EV’s because of a lack of charging and high prices but they conveniently don’t mention all the other negatives that are more difficult to solve.
5:54 One factor that most analyses of EV depreciation fails to account for the fact that the prices for EVs in 2022 was absurdly high. However since then prices have declined to a more reasonable level which for those who purchased at the peak have experienced the dramatic decline. I would argue that EV depreciation will decrease to more moderate levels going forward. A factor that could inhibit this could be the continued innovation with new battery technologies that could make older EVs less desirable or even obsolete.
I have both cars, but for sure never going back to internal combustion, with EV I save a ton of money, it's a matter of facts.
For me it was the piss poor build quality on my Tesla. Back to Toyota/Lexus and would never get another Tesla. Charging wasn’t my issue.
Charging concerns? Charging concerns will be the least of your problems when your EV catches on fire a few months after its been in a small accident. Or high about those intense burning flames from the EV batteries? God forbid if you get into a significant accident and you find yourself injured and stuck in one of those things. Say no to EVs! There's nothing wrong with hybrids.
lmao you think hybrid battery is fire proof?
@@busetgadapet hybrid batteries are far smaller than ev batteries
Thank you for addressing the often neglected drivers who just don’t have access to a home charger, relying on $$ public charging. There can be no mass adoption until this issue is resolved.
i mean you go from being a slave to gas stations to being a slave to ev charging stations
And that's if we can possibly find enough copper, nickel, etc. to build both the vehicles and the infrastructure. Peter Zeihan thinks it'll take a ten-fold increase in production of copper alone. Doubtful that it's even possible.
Everyone has to research their area for viability of driving an EV at this point in the adoption. I am glad you know your challenges where you are. I had access to supercharging that is still cheaper than gas and the capability to install a home charger so EV is a no brainer to me.
I meet many tesla owners who can not charge at home and what do they do, go to a supercharger once or twice a week and wait for half an hour while making phone calls, watching video in their tesla or playing games in the cars system. They have fun. Worth it for the better vehicle, saving money, being safer and not driving a horse and buggy anymore. Who cares. Be the fool. That is your loss.
EV's seem great until the warranty goes out, then hang on for dear life as failures/repairs make gas cars look like the deal of the century.
BC ice fail more often 😂
Tax them 200%. China doesn’t allow Teslas in a lot of its areas citing spying by the U.S. govt. The US must not allow Chinese cars to send back data and video recordings of roads, destinations, people etc. back to China mainland either. You can be sure it’ll be analyzed by their government. Not paranoia anymore, especially with cars and phones.
Never under estimate the espionage aspect, but, would you trust a Chinese car to protect you and your family in a crash. Christ in the garden, I won't even buy a hammer made in China, less it explodes on contact. A car, never. NEVER.
NO EVs!!!
When you need a huge effort from government (increase gas prices, increase ICE cars prices, huge tax benefits for EVs, etc) to move the market to buy a product instead of the market going there by itself, ones should ask first WHY the market doesn't want to go there...
Huge mistake to think government is wiser than the market .....
Deciding what power vehicles is completely out of government scope, it is a abhorrent overreach ...
The market doesn't want to go there bc it has no incentive to change without government intervention. A good government keeps the predatory nature of capitalism in check.
@@Flyeaglesfly00 But who keeps the predatory nature of the government in check?
It is the market that controls the market.
Only the fear of the competition running you out of the business makes you work to be better than your competition.
Giving more power to government in order it will make the market behave is like expecting a wolf to carry you load of sausage...
You end up with bad market and bad government....
Too much power always leads to too much corruption...
@1798iscomingback the people keep the government in check. There are always people looking to deregulate and cut government size and spending. The government doesn't control the market it is expediting a process to which the only incentive I can see from a marketing perspective is the idea that this is the future and it's clean. Adding further incentive doesn't hinder the market in anyway
@@Flyeaglesfly00 Did you miss the last 20 years?
The government fully control the auto industry, the pharma industry, etc....
and there is nothing the common citizern can do to change because the v ot ing m ach ines are r igg ed.
To make travel more difficult is not what I will buy into.
When Hybrids aren't even 80% adopted, people think we can just jump straight to EV are bonkers. Can't charge an EV on delusion and dreams. When cars were invented, horse drawn carriages were still the majority until prices were affordable for cars and infrastructure was built to handle the volume of new adopters.
I have zero charging concerns in the 6 years of EV ownership. Then again we are fortunate to have a few cars, not just an EV
They’re only allowed to come back to gas engines if they get on one knee and apologize for telling us how bad we were for not buying an EV.
F.J.B. and his EV’S
Let's Go Brandon!!
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Excellent!
I'm voting for Biden lol. Fck the cult 😂😂😂
After buying a used ID4 and using electrify america
1) only buy an ev that has tesla charge network available already
2) ill replace my 2nd car (currently gas)with another utilitarian gas car pickup or suv that can tow 4k+ pounds, 4wd etc... i rarely drive as i work from home so the 2nd car is just for those type of tasks. My wife uses the ev everyday.
Before owning the id4 i would have said all ev both cars. But after living with the id4, I still need one gas car as well for longer trips. But i bet my thoughts would be different if i had the model y and not the id4 because of the charging network.
Dont get me wrong i still can do the longer trip but playing the roulette game of will it connect or not with electrify america when i just want to charge for 20 mins and get home sucks.
Making batteries on mass scale isent really good for the earth 🌎 we dont have endless cobalt etc...
What pc do u have
On my 2nd leased Hybrid vehicle now. Started with the ‘21 Venza XLE, 3 yrs later on the ‘24 Limited which will be a keeper for me and likely my last new ride. Hybrid technology is as far as I’ll go, will not go all in on EV ever ! Gas is cheap here and will go back down after the next election. Avg 37- 42 mpg with a lead foot. 👍
8 year warranty. By that time we'll be looking at much better moment to continue owning EVs
Unfortunately there are hidden costs....annual taxesz power taxes, public charging taxes, frequent tire specialized purchases.
The upfront costs of installing home charging and in some cases upgrading panels and service.
Had a Model Y for 3 years and went back to gas. Long story short, charging is ANNOYING! It takes a long time, isn't cheap, and is something you have to think about all the damn time. Charging at home is fine until you see your electric bill skyrocket. I did it, had some fun and over it.
Yeah but you don't realise how much gas costs you. Yes your electricity bill may skyrocket. But electric charged at home is often double as cheap as gas. Sadly people dont think like that.
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT I did the math and about broke even charging at home. But supercharging changed quite a bit between when I purchase my car and sold it; about 20 bucks to fill it then 40. For about 30 bucks I can fill the tank on my Accord hybrid and get a good 500 miles out of a tank versus the Tesla that got about 300 miles per ”tank”. I did the math because I owned one and pinched every penny I could. I found a cheap way to charge the car but it took forever. Wanna know what made me sell it ultimately? The $2000 bill to replace a headlight that went bad on the car. I did it myself for $150 (the cost of the headlight on EBay) and 2 hours of my time to tear apart the front end and put it back together. Imagining how much Tesla would charge to fix something I couldn’t do myself, the thing had to go.
@@darthdorkimusprime7231 it doesn't take a genius to realise that a headlight is nothing to do with it being an EV. Also I'm not sure where you got that gas is anywhere near as cheap as electric. Either you have stupid high electricity bills or you don't travel that much anyway so the difference doesn't seem as much. I Drive 16000 miles a year in an EV and my difference is about $1500 between my Ford and my tesla. Crazy difference. Plus the tesla has been more reliable and the servicing is basically non existent beyond air con and tyres. Anyway. I'm not judging, Evs aren't for everyone, and I think the point is that we should all be able to choose what we want. But for me electric cars are a no brainer.
It's not just charging issues which is never going to be sufficient, it's a crap technology.
What happened to all of those taxpayer dollars? Charging companies have already dropped out because they couldn't make money.
More like 50% and more
Is that the number your study found?
Just imagine EV's getting 500+ miles per charge.
No Logic. If EVs were bad, then why is EU so afraid of Chinese EVs.
Well well well, looks who's come crawling back 😂
One thing EV lovers dont understand is EVs are not convenient for the avg person. Not everyone owns a home with a garage and much less people one to spend on modifying their home to add fast charging.
On top of that most people I know who own EVs also have another gas powered car or hybrid.
This is the result of government trying to force the hand of the market.
Myself I am waiting for EV prices to come down, like Chinese level down cause these are pretty much smartphones on wheels.
I agree. I like my EV for what it's worth, but the EV 'fanboys' 'fanatics' 'cult' makes me ashamed, with their obvious vanity plates, being in California. I'd key their car too. They're utterly annoying with how they think, and act surprised there's a coalition of people (and growing) that are sick of their smugness.
I have a garage ... and I could afford a charger installation. But I can't afford to replace my house and all contents when the EV catches fire and burns it all down. 🔥
@@seanthompson8071 You have a much higher chance of your gas car going up in flames than an EV
Can you gas up your ice engine at home?
@@sprockkets i highly doubt that. Source?
if you keep your car for 15-20 years, depreciation isn't even a thought, and I'd highly recommend anyone who buys a car (EV or ICE) to have a long-term expectancy to their purchase. Better for everyone financially, you learn how to service it yourself, you take better care of it, and you're more inclined to repair it (or have it repaired) when things break. If your battery fails, replace it and keep on going.
A lot of people talking down to the non EV crowd are missing the point. Most Americans can only afford one car at current prices. They need that vehicle to be able to do everything. Commuting, long distance, taking the kids to school, etc. They are not going to buy an EV. Most people I know that own an EV, myself included, have a secondary ICE vehicle for long distance.
I don't honestly think full EV vehicles will take off until we switch to a Solid State technology once it is commercially available. From an environmental and geo-political issue, the current resource extraction is questionable and not necessarily environmentally friendly, at least until we can effectively recycle battery materials. The best bet at the very least are hybrids and plug-in hybrids. Toyota had it correct all along with their fuel efficient hybrids, and they are developing a solid state battery at the same time. Plus their ICEs burn gas super clean and efficiently. From an american standpoint, we also need to develop our Lithium and precious resources HERE as much as possible to be energy independent.
I never thought EVs were a viable replacement for ICE.