Damn. This really hits different. Imagine if John was the playable protagonist of the whole game, and seeing Arthur as a secondary character, developed from a strong camp companion, to a sick, fragile, yet always fight alongside with us for six chapters.
So basically, like the epilogue and RDR1? Yeah, no. I'm actually glad we got to play as Arthur and had the freedom to choose the way his outcomes turned out rather than playing as John. The whole reason why RDR2 is such a masterpiece of a game and considered a work of art among video game and even cinematic history is mostly because of Arthur and what sort of a brilliant character he is. I love John, but during the main chunk of the game i.e chapters 1-6, the story is all about Arthur's redemption, from being a ruthless and cold blooded outlaw to a man with his own moral code, doing what's good, and make sure that his only family gets to live their lives even if he doesn't make it in the end. Besides, as interesting as it would be to play as John, right now, this much more younger version of John isn't the same one he comes to become in the epilogue and what he is in RDR1. This John is still very much an outlaw, a killer and thief, loathes the calm family life, and is living a pretty low honor life, most likely killing and robbing off screen while we play as Arthur, because that's what most of them did during their day
After seeing this, you totally understand why John was very stubborn with killing Micah. You just can’t look the other way after you share your brother’s final moments.
Also getting out and living peaceful isn't really that important to John. It's Abigail's dream and he followed suit for love. What's truly important to him were things like this.
@@evangelostse2477true and false His dream was living his life with Abigail, making her happy, raising their son. *That* is what was truly important to him But at the same time he had a huge desire for revenge and as seen in his final conversation with Micah, he never forgot about Arthur So they almost become competing motivations for John
@@joedwyer3297i dont think it was his dream, it was more like the responsibility he neglected is now whats important to him cause he’s lost all that ego blinding him due to the events of the game. So now its important for him to be a man and step up for his family. But gunslinging is deff his style and probably what he enjoys best. Even Jack says is there nothing you wont shoot pa
people misunderstand this alot because john has literally lived half his life alongside arthur who ends up saving his life and family in the end, sure, you're gonna go against your brothers ideals and literal life advice to fuck off from revenge but its gonna be very, very VERY difficult to look the other way
@@jondro6284yeah, people act like cutscenes are just some animations playing at a certain time and place and like there isn't a bunch going on offscreen
I agree, but I think in that actual moment John was still too shaken to really process what was happening, so I feel like he wouldn’t cry right after that. He would probably find a horse first to make his way over to Abigail and Jack, but I think he would’ve definitely cried when he was on the horse.
I still think it was sad, but seeing Arthur fight to the death, end at least 3 pinkerton mooks and then get pummeled by Micah and STILL only die because the TB finally got bad enough to kill him… Shit, it’s more badass than sad. He died in vain, but he died fighting for what he believed in. He died with hope on his mind and fight in his limited breath. In a blaze of glory and then somber silence, Arthur finally found the rest he oh, so deserved. I miss Arthur like he’s a real person, I miss John, I miss the whole gang, and the good, happy people they once were. I miss the happy times, partying, singing with Javier, watching the group just enjoy one-another’s presence. But if there was ever a clear lesson to learn from RDR… It’s to let go. Don’t let your grief consume you, don’t let your attachment to the good old times drive you to manic depression just because things changed. You’ll make rash decisions. End up like Sadie, hateful, angry, definitely trying too hard to be someone she wasn’t ever meant to be. Or John, his moment of rage, hunting Micah down, exposing himself to Ross in the process. Or even Jack. Do you honestly think killing a Government agent, ex or not, after asking half of the state’s populace where he is would end well? Red Dead Redemption’s core lesson could be explained in Arthur’s tagline: “Revenge is a fool’s game.” In conclusion: Arthur’s sacrifice made me sad, but it also inspired me. It inspires me to to better, not for my own sake, but for others.
actually it wouldn't. Arthur giving his hat to John resembles surrendering to his own cause. Arthur tries to tell us that he has found out what his fate would be, and hence, he gives his hat to John as a way to live in this world without actually existing. John keeps this hat with himself forever, as a remembrance to all those moments he spent with arthur, fighting together, saving jack, blackwater massacre, etc.
look at some of Arthur's expressions is so saddening really would love if they just released some dlc, where you see everything in Johns perspective, and to make all the animations and expressions better for 1st person immersion
@@MagicMan77718 I meant that if you had spent the whole game seeing through Arthur's eyes, the view changing to John would've been the first time you properly see Arthur himself. I did forget that this mission still goes on with Arthur and we only switch to John at the epilogue's start but the idea is still there.
You know, the best way to not kill Arthur on scenario is making him betray gang so that John won't ever remember him for betraying, or make John lose memories. But seems like they didn't think about that.
@@Siolarty19 I never said lose their memories randomly, I meant making plot force John's head get hit by something which would make him have head injuries and memory loss.
@@anakinskinwalker1724 John did alot more than that when it got towards the end of the second chapter, honestly you wouldn't talk crap about John if you played the first game he was a bloody badass
@@saltwaterthevikingpirate8313 Nah, I’m still talking shit about him. Despite him being a mature, dangerous grown man, he was an immature child in RDR2, he partially grew up when he retrieved Jack from Bronte, then when Arthur and John have their final moments, then in the epilogue he was immature again
@@anakinskinwalker1724 how was John immature sure he wasn't sure jack was his son but that makes alot of sense because Abigail was the camp prostitute jack could have been anyone's son, but after jack was captured John really cared for his family and put the work in he also got everyone safe from outside when the O'Driscolls attacked in the mission of you look carefully John was completely safe in the building but he ran outside picked up jack and got everyone inside with a bit of fire support from Arthur and Charles, also if you can call a man that was shot roaming around in a snow storm for 3 days, his horse collapses from the cold or some other reason and later gets eaten meaning he probably fell off his horse wich is really painful especially with a bullet wound, he then gets a attacked by the wolves lytrely biting some parts of his skin out and cutting his face where John hides on a ledge for what is assumed to be about 1 or 2 hours
I’m sorry this is of course a beautiful scene and I was tearing up when I played this but Arthur’s goofy awkward climbing at 1:05 made me laugh way more than it should
@@0AceofSpadesyep also the actor walked this way during motion capture every single motion a character does it was captured through motion capture while it's voice actor was doing it
Its the "your my brother" "I know" that hit me hard it shows that Arthur thinks as john as his little brother and he has the responsibility to protect him at all cost its the brother love they have for each other... Take the sentence "My brother from another mother" to a different level...
i think ive pushed all i can... that sht hits so hard coming from a person you want to live but you just see him standing there having no energy to keep going. and you know people who are the sht of humanity are about to come and they will kill this person whos shoes are worth more than their lifes
this game has some of the best acting in fiction and no not even just voice acting with the mocap like even in this scene when you wouldnt normally see very much detail on the face you see there is so much expression on arthur's face
Now I quite wonder What if we would get to play as John at that moment. Maybe we could have chosen to either leave as Arthur told John or to keep fighting. And even if we didn't had a choice it still would be interesting to watch how John escaped.
Idk why but their boots sounds a lot more different in cutscenes and ingame and I wish their boots sounded like how they did in cutscenes in the actual game.
would be nice if r* had it so if you were playing from first person view, the cutscenes would also play from the same perspective. would be a hell of a great addition
I had all of these cutscenes during the night, I already spoiled the ending for myself, but I still almost cried when Arthur died (I got the low honor ending)
That actually would have been cool if they changed your perspective from being arthur the whole time to being John when arthur puts his hat on him, it would be a really smooth transition into the epilogue I think
Why does Arthur glich like if he was on some kind of engram, eating John's brain and slowly replacing his personality? He doesn’t even have a silver hand 😔
Fr tho. Idk where dutch came from. Arthur would literally kill micah with the gun, bro literally crawled around 2 feets length while succumbing to death and micah had his left hand almost broken by a dying person. Can you just imagine what a fucking monster arthur was. I bet bro could deadlift around 350-400 kg in his best shape without training for it just with raw strength
I realized that "GODDAMN YOU BASTARDS!" was most likely the last thing John ever heard Arthur say.
No it was " I know.. I know" then john ran and didn't look back
@@Pio-Neer1Yea, but he still probably heard it, it's not like the Wolf ate he's ear's.
@@David-sq9vz Anyway bro it's just a game
@@Pio-Neer1Ah yes using that good old excuse
@@JesterJestro Excuse for what? You talk like we were debating or something. Get a life.
Damn. This really hits different. Imagine if John was the playable protagonist of the whole game, and seeing Arthur as a secondary character, developed from a strong camp companion, to a sick, fragile, yet always fight alongside with us for six chapters.
This could be an amazing dlc.
He was never fragile
Yah fragile my ass, at his weakest he still gave micah a run for his money hand to hand.
So basically, like the epilogue and RDR1? Yeah, no. I'm actually glad we got to play as Arthur and had the freedom to choose the way his outcomes turned out rather than playing as John. The whole reason why RDR2 is such a masterpiece of a game and considered a work of art among video game and even cinematic history is mostly because of Arthur and what sort of a brilliant character he is.
I love John, but during the main chunk of the game i.e chapters 1-6, the story is all about Arthur's redemption, from being a ruthless and cold blooded outlaw to a man with his own moral code, doing what's good, and make sure that his only family gets to live their lives even if he doesn't make it in the end.
Besides, as interesting as it would be to play as John, right now, this much more younger version of John isn't the same one he comes to become in the epilogue and what he is in RDR1. This John is still very much an outlaw, a killer and thief, loathes the calm family life, and is living a pretty low honor life, most likely killing and robbing off screen while we play as Arthur, because that's what most of them did during their day
@@bullshark7888🤓
After seeing this, you totally understand why John was very stubborn with killing Micah. You just can’t look the other way after you share your brother’s final moments.
Also getting out and living peaceful isn't really that important to John. It's Abigail's dream and he followed suit for love. What's truly important to him were things like this.
@@evangelostse2477true and false
His dream was living his life with Abigail, making her happy, raising their son. *That* is what was truly important to him
But at the same time he had a huge desire for revenge and as seen in his final conversation with Micah, he never forgot about Arthur
So they almost become competing motivations for John
@@joedwyer3297i dont think it was his dream, it was more like the responsibility he neglected is now whats important to him cause he’s lost all that ego blinding him due to the events of the game. So now its important for him to be a man and step up for his family. But gunslinging is deff his style and probably what he enjoys best. Even Jack says is there nothing you wont shoot pa
people misunderstand this alot because john has literally lived half his life alongside arthur who ends up saving his life and family in the end, sure, you're gonna go against your brothers ideals and literal life advice to fuck off from revenge but its gonna be very, very VERY difficult to look the other way
0:35 😢the eyes... Really felt as if he was telling US
I mean he's talking to "you" (John) the player character from the original Red Dead.
They did an outagereous work with Arthur's face expressions... Feels like a knife in my heart to see these eyes :(
Man, they should've had the option to have cutscenes in first person. It would've made the game even more replayable than it already is
FACTS
Too much work for such a little reason
@@jondro6284yeah, people act like cutscenes are just some animations playing at a certain time and place and like there isn't a bunch going on offscreen
@@jondro6284it's not animated the camera can be anywhere any time because of how they "filmed" it
@@JhonPittsburgread my comment
Really shows how good of an actor Roger Clark is, and how well the emotions were animated.
Literally his first named role.
that "you're my brother" line still gives me goosebumps even after replaying the story 10 times.
Really do hit harder
BE QUIET
Sorry
@@leenewman480you be quiet
This really does hit different like dam I didn’t wanna leave him
I’m almost certain John cried while he was leaving.
I agree, but I think in that actual moment John was still too shaken to really process what was happening, so I feel like he wouldn’t cry right after that. He would probably find a horse first to make his way over to Abigail and Jack, but I think he would’ve definitely cried when he was on the horse.
No, the game's director spoke of it, but Rob Wiethoff did.
The last thing john saw about Arthur was him climbing that hill so john can run away...
no not really, john lived so it wasnt the last thing he saw. it was the last time he saw arthur
@@blueestarr9529 yeah thats what i meant
Correct
@@wreckerstein No worries i just wanted to clarify for other people reading the comments lolol
The way he looks into johns eyes is heartbreaking 😭
This honestly looks like an emotional scene from a Far Cry game
Man... That's sad as hell... It felt really immersive
Imagine if this scene was the moment we switched to John
Would've been interesting but then Arthur wouldn't have his final moments
@@Uknown76 New Game+ but the entire game is from John's point of view instead of Arthur's. Would have been a neat implementation.
I still think it was sad, but seeing Arthur fight to the death, end at least 3 pinkerton mooks and then get pummeled by Micah and STILL only die because the TB finally got bad enough to kill him…
Shit, it’s more badass than sad.
He died in vain, but he died fighting for what he believed in.
He died with hope on his mind and fight in his limited breath. In a blaze of glory and then somber silence, Arthur finally found the rest he oh, so deserved.
I miss Arthur like he’s a real person, I miss John, I miss the whole gang, and the good, happy people they once were. I miss the happy times, partying, singing with Javier, watching the group just enjoy one-another’s presence.
But if there was ever a clear lesson to learn from RDR…
It’s to let go.
Don’t let your grief consume you, don’t let your attachment to the good old times drive you to manic depression just because things changed.
You’ll make rash decisions.
End up like Sadie, hateful, angry, definitely trying too hard to be someone she wasn’t ever meant to be.
Or John, his moment of rage, hunting Micah down, exposing himself to Ross in the process.
Or even Jack.
Do you honestly think killing a Government agent, ex or not, after asking half of the state’s populace where he is would end well?
Red Dead Redemption’s core lesson could be explained in Arthur’s tagline: “Revenge is a fool’s game.”
In conclusion: Arthur’s sacrifice made me sad, but it also inspired me.
It inspires me to to better, not for my own sake, but for others.
underrated comment
Seems like a scene from call of duty in first person.
Call of Duty: Redemption
“John! This is Arthur, we’re being attacked by Cleet and Joe at Beaver’s Hollow. DO NOT TRUST MICAH! I REPEAT DO NOT TRUST MICAH! Charles get down!”
@@cavman9883 Call of Redemption Ancient Warfare
@@blacktarsier208 Call of dead: redemption warfare.
In whole cod series there is no so much emotions like in this short cutscene
The saddest POV I've ever seen in my entire life...
_I understood that reference._
X) Not the one we're used to... 🎉🎉🎉🎉
So this is what it feels like being stared by Arthur.
This scene would’ve hit harder if Arthur’s hat was John’s iconic hat with the feather.
actually it wouldn't. Arthur giving his hat to John resembles surrendering to his own cause. Arthur tries to tell us that he has found out what his fate would be, and hence, he gives his hat to John as a way to live in this world without actually existing. John keeps this hat with himself forever, as a remembrance to all those moments he spent with arthur, fighting together, saving jack, blackwater massacre, etc.
dann its still hits hard over 4 years later
look at some of Arthur's expressions is so saddening
really would love if they just released some dlc, where you see everything in Johns perspective, and to make all the animations and expressions better for 1st person immersion
My avatar telling me to finish the damn game and continue my life in rl
The moment he puts his hat on you....instant chills and I started to tear up.
Feels like a different game if the cutscenes were all 1st person.
yea, because those facial expressions are insane. If only rockstar made us acknowledge them.
How my brother told me "Wey, I don't want to finish RDR2 I don't want to see Arthur die"
If this was an unbroken perspective throughout the game this would've been our first time properly seeing him.
(Unless you count reflections)
what do you mean
@@MagicMan77718 I meant that if you had spent the whole game seeing through Arthur's eyes, the view changing to John would've been the first time you properly see Arthur himself. I did forget that this mission still goes on with Arthur and we only switch to John at the epilogue's start but the idea is still there.
Given that this was Mocap and Roger Clark and Rob Wiethoff actually acted this out, we're literally seeing Rob's point of view from filming.
i really hate that arthur had to die on red dead redemption everytime he did i would replay it all over again i really liked arthur
Every player
That's the whole beauty of the game... to feel instead of mindless shooting and robbing
You know, the best way to not kill Arthur on scenario is making him betray gang so that John won't ever remember him for betraying, or make John lose memories. But seems like they didn't think about that.
@@bruhokverycool9325 Man this isn't fucking Marvel. People don't just randomly lose their memories.
@@Siolarty19 I never said lose their memories randomly, I meant making plot force John's head get hit by something which would make him have head injuries and memory loss.
should have kept john running away with the sounds of the gunfight in the background as arthur holds off the pinkertons
Here's a thought, imagine you're seeing first person through Arthur's eyes. Then he gives John his hat and it shifts to John's perspective.
So the player is the hat controlling the person lol
@@norapattangpainjaroen9189
Kinda. XD
@@norapattangpainjaroen9189 lmfao
and then, as you run without looking back, you hear in the distance Arthur in the edge of death taunting the foes and shooting at them repeatedly.
Not a game… an experience
A game.. a bad one at that.
Imagine you could play the entire game from johns perspective
Just sitting on your ass picking at wolf scabs and sometimes doing missions
@@anakinskinwalker1724 John did alot more than that when it got towards the end of the second chapter, honestly you wouldn't talk crap about John if you played the first game he was a bloody badass
@@saltwaterthevikingpirate8313 Nah, I’m still talking shit about him. Despite him being a mature, dangerous grown man, he was an immature child in RDR2, he partially grew up when he retrieved Jack from Bronte, then when Arthur and John have their final moments, then in the epilogue he was immature again
@@anakinskinwalker1724 how was he immature in the epilogue please tell me.
@@anakinskinwalker1724 how was John immature sure he wasn't sure jack was his son but that makes alot of sense because Abigail was the camp prostitute jack could have been anyone's son, but after jack was captured John really cared for his family and put the work in he also got everyone safe from outside when the O'Driscolls attacked in the mission of you look carefully John was completely safe in the building but he ran outside picked up jack and got everyone inside with a bit of fire support from Arthur and Charles, also if you can call a man that was shot roaming around in a snow storm for 3 days, his horse collapses from the cold or some other reason and later gets eaten meaning he probably fell off his horse wich is really painful especially with a bullet wound, he then gets a attacked by the wolves lytrely biting some parts of his skin out and cutting his face where John hides on a ledge for what is assumed to be about 1 or 2 hours
*immidiately passes by dutch lurking just up the path*
That's enough to make a grown man cry
I’m sorry this is of course a beautiful scene and I was tearing up when I played this but Arthur’s goofy awkward climbing at 1:05 made me laugh way more than it should
It's realistic?
@@0AceofSpadeswhy yes you have to support yourself by lifting yourself up when climbing a hill
So yea this is realistic
@@0AceofSpadesyep also the actor walked this way during motion capture every single motion a character does it was captured through motion capture while it's voice actor was doing it
Meh.
People call it realistic but it is still goofy
I watched this on vr, I started running, not looking back
And hit a wall
All of this is one hell of an origin story for Jack.
Its the "your my brother" "I know" that hit me hard it shows that Arthur thinks as john as his little brother and he has the responsibility to protect him at all cost its the brother love they have for each other...
Take the sentence "My brother from another mother" to a different level...
"It would mean a lot to me..." 😢
Just got an ad for a mobiel game about a flying gorilla before this. Really enhanced the mood
This hits different black lung!
black lUNG
This kinda hits even harder... Brilliant acting from both Roger and Rob!
I don't think any video game character has have ever made me feel as sad as i did when arthur died
Arthur was like an older brother to John. Both literally and figuratively in my opinion.
Breaks my heart still everytime regardless of perspective
i think ive pushed all i can... that sht hits so hard coming from a person you want to live but you just see him standing there having no energy to keep going. and you know people who are the sht of humanity are about to come and they will kill this person whos shoes are worth more than their lifes
I get what you want to say, but your grammar is weird ass...
old scarface
MICAAAAHHHH
RATS
nooo i don’t wanna leave you arthur 😢
this game has some of the best acting in fiction and no not even just voice acting with the mocap like even in this scene when you wouldnt normally see very much detail on the face you see there is so much expression on arthur's face
Now I quite wonder
What if we would get to play as John at that moment. Maybe we could have chosen to either leave as Arthur told John or to keep fighting. And even if we didn't had a choice it still would be interesting to watch how John escaped.
bro arthurs feet when he started climbing😭😭
Idk why but their boots sounds a lot more different in cutscenes and ingame and I wish their boots sounded like how they did in cutscenes in the actual game.
Made it 10x more depressing
would be nice if r* had it so if you were playing from first person view, the cutscenes would also play from the same perspective. would be a hell of a great addition
I had all of these cutscenes during the night, I already spoiled the ending for myself, but I still almost cried when Arthur died (I got the low honor ending)
My epilogue took place at night. Made it all the more cinematic for me
Im crying ,...
"You're my brother." = "I Love You"
🖤
It's so much better to play this mission at night
the sad thing is that he stopt because he was tired but 10 seconds later he was climbing like a goat
I'm not crying you are crying 🥲
ABSOLUTE CINEMA
This first person is more sad
why isn't it night and why did u cut the "come you bastards" at the end... 😩
Still sad to 5 years later.
Wonder where John went after speaking to Arthur because he went towards where Dutch appears. Did he se Dutch on the way down?
last sec there i can almost hear john cry
The irony is if they had stopped talking and arguing they would have had enough breath and energy to keep going.
Damn. How did a cutscene play from pov perspective and that too of John's, who was not a playable character till that time.
0:06
Hugo
That actually would have been cool if they changed your perspective from being arthur the whole time to being John when arthur puts his hat on him, it would be a really smooth transition into the epilogue I think
Why is Arthur so freaking handsome!?
Umm
@@stopmotionless262you know it and I know it
Umm
@@nithent5149 No he isn't girl, you are really a virgin ain't ya.
"goah to yor femeli"
"How many times, Marston?"
It's like looking at Far Cry in western setting.
0:23 saddest line ever
Why does Arthur glich like if he was on some kind of engram, eating John's brain and slowly replacing his personality?
He doesn’t even have a silver hand 😔
That's the transition that happens from one scene to another, that's why they happen with multiple camera angles.
“Wake the fuck up, outlaw. We got some money to steal.”
Wdym silver hand. But yea, when camera angles change, models don't walk forward, they just teleport
Second person cutscene
Idc what anyone says but this is my GOTY back in 2018
hits different more like hits HARDER
“GOD DAMN YOU BASTARDS!”
This got so realistic
Rdr2 fpp cutscenes hit hard af
The GOAT of Video games
Dayum this is powerfull im in ma feelings
It would look better if it was night time but thats just my opinion
Yes it would
It be bettered if we heard "god damn you bastards"
I'll stay with Arthur
I just don't see myself as John here. I see myself as the male reader in a RDR2 fan fiction.
How do you get these angles? What mod are you using
Looks like a call of duty scene fr
If it wasn't for the plot, arthur could've killed that fucking rat even with TB
fr
Fr tho. Idk where dutch came from. Arthur would literally kill micah with the gun, bro literally crawled around 2 feets length while succumbing to death and micah had his left hand almost broken by a dying person. Can you just imagine what a fucking monster arthur was. I bet bro could deadlift around 350-400 kg in his best shape without training for it just with raw strength
what mod you used?
what mod did you use to go into John's POV?
This cutscene happening in broad daylight makes no sense, since the sun is seen just rising at the break of dawn minutes later
Feels like a call of duty scene
A few minor tweaks to the motion capture on the models and it would’ve been perfect
it was literally perfect. As good as horizon forbidden west. Stfu. You all are never satisfied. Idk what is the fucking mistake bozo.
Btw I’m crying rn