Especially the trucks on the freight cars. Reminded me of kadee and Hobbytown of Boston trucks with real springs. I kept thinking "Don't let those springs fly away! You will never find them again!"😊
It's amazing how many wrecks and train separations have been caught on the live cams of various Train Watching outfits. Virtual Railfan has caught several derailments, three just at Santa Fe Junction alone. Two that I know of on Horseshoe Curve... Plus trains breaking in two etc.
It’s percentages. Shoot the places with turnouts and other derailment spots and you’re bound to catch them. It’s the same reason why most people get into car accidents within 5 miles of their homes, they drive that area most often.
I've watched this camera before. It has some real sketchy track. Not much support under the rails. Lots of rocking and motion. I thought it might happen sooner.
I noticed the same thing with the first three to four box cars after locomotive #2 in the consist. If this is Union Pacific trackage, they need to do some serious MOW track upgrade... I also noticed these tracks has wood ties... Perhaps Union Pacific should use concrete ties on this stretch of trackage....
This was interesting to see. I'm glad no one was injured. It sounded pretty cool though , very noisy as the freight cars slid to a stop. Excellent video.
If I had to speculate from the footage, it looks like a wheel picked the switch on the first turnout of the crossover. The drawbar is what pulled the car to follow the train but the wheelset did the tilting until the car came out of the bolster in sits on. After that, it's what you see in the video where the car rolls over, taking the others behind it as she goes.
@@SD40Fan_Jason Yeah, if you watch the St. Louis cam, there are a whole bunch of switches, and it just so happens that the wheel jumped the tracks on the switch and made a row of boxcars come down with it.
Each locomotive masses up to 210 tons, each railcar around 20 to 40 tons EMPTY, add an estimated 100 to 120 tons for cargo each when loaded. Yep, a lot of mass wanting to remain in motion (Sir Isaac Newton) is a lot of inertia.
One of the reasons for using that type of coupling is to stop vehicles riding up over each other in the event of a crash. That is important for passenger trains, in order to prevent adjacent coaches rising up and dropping onto wrecked vehicles. That was particularly important when coach bodies were constructed out of wood and didn't provide much protein tion from the heavy steel chassis and running gear.
@@stanlake2726 Hey, shareholders are VERY important! In fact, the majority of shareholders are normal everyday people hoping that when they retire their hard earned money that they have been saving in stocks has increased to a point so that they are even able to retire. Profitable companies and corporations are what makes the world go round. Without profit you do not have business and without business you live like people in Venezuela and eat your pets to survive and wipe your a$$ with corncobs!
I live in downtown STL and honestly I'm not surprised this happened. They've recently done major improvements on the bridge across the river and since then they've been running more trains and at 2-4 times the speed that they did before the improvements. There's no way that those improvements could have justified those speeds especially with all of the switches and traffic in the area, not to mention the incline and curves so it was clear they were putting to much stress on those tracks and it was only a matter of time. When I seen the aftermath on my way to work this morning around 6:30 needless to say I wasn't at all surprised. The rest of the train was still attached so I figured it had been in the last two hours. I'm just glad it wasn't worse since it could have easily been hazardous materials involved or a second or even third train. Hopefully they'll be a little more cautious on that stretch of tracks from now on.
@@DonLuc23 Depends on how much damage there is. Rail will need replacing as will the switch or switches involved at least. Will they rebuild the roadbed and other track infrastructure? We shall see. If this section of track is problem prone they may take the opportunity to do it instead of simply "patching" the problem.
That was just before the elevated trackage that begins about where the locomotives were when it stopped. Could have been much worse with the close proximity of buildings under the elevated approaches and traffic on the streets. If you have to have a derailment then this is a good one.
That is good example of a classic low speed Tip Over from the cars rocking back and forth. The rocking sometimes increases to the point where a car tips over. Better road bed would help but perhaps some kind of dampeners on the cars might be in order.
That happened coming out of the UP 12th Street Yard just south of downtown STL, near where Gratiot Tower used to be. The train was heading East towards the MacArthur Bridge.
A very informative video for those who want to do model trains. It is interesting to see the truck and brake detail that is not always clear. In this exploded view, much becomes clear.
This is exactly how the Wayne County Road Commission "workers" in Wayne County Michigan operate during road repair and road construction. I've seen countless times one guy handling a shovel digging a hole, and 4-6-8 other guys wearing hard hats standing around with their hands in their pockets playing pocket pool 🎱 or playing pocket ping pong. A few guys sometimes are seen looking at their cell phones watching porn videos while getting paid hourly union wages. I've also seen numerous times many guys leaning on shovels so they won't fall down from falling asleep or being bored watching one guy actually using a shovel to dig, or scoop up dirt or debris. We Wayne County Taxpayers would be better off if these guys were paid as mafia "no show" employees because what you don't see won't piss you off. When it comes to jobs like we viewers see in this video, everyone on the accident site becomes a supervisor or a crime scene investigator, not a worker taking care of the problem.
@@rickprusak9326 even though I understand your frustration, in a situation like this, there is very little that can be done manually. It HAS to be done wit heavy equipment. I don't care how many men you have to put on it, you ARE NOT moving those trucks (wheels) by hand. As for county workers, the most I know are NOT union employees and make very little money, they have decent benefits but usually make very little above minimum wage (at least around me). Also many times you see them standing around they are waiting on someone to turn off utilities (power or water) before they are allowed to begin. I've never worked for County or State, but I have done work similar to the men in the video. Never got a rolled car up, but have re-railed cars and engines. It could be best described as hurry up and wait. The powers that be want someone on the job KNOW but don't have the heavy equipment there to get it done.
As a truck driver, especially this time of year, I see it 3-5 times a night on construction crews. One guy operating machinery and 10 standing there smoking cigarettes or talking
@@FFKDTP1 I remember long ago a naive Granny wrote in to the Editor of the local newspaper noting that the street labourers were so poor that they all had to share the same cigarette as they stood around watching the one guy in the hole digging...😀
Not the first time or the last time it will happen here. Back in 2018, a number of hoppers and boxcars went off the "Y" just past here where the Amtrak trains turn and fell off the bridge.
I always stop a good distance back from the tracks at railroad crossings just in case something happens, especially when the high speed Brightline comes through at 79 MPH.
It's not that big of a derailment. I saw the immediate aftermath of a 100+ car empty grain train derailing just north of Chicago several years ago. This was nothing by comparison. About half the cars or more derailed at 45mph (the engineer was speeding by about 5mph,) the locomotives on the nose stayed upright and on the rails. Most of the cars that hit the ground were torn up so badly they were not worth repairing. 132lb rail was twisted up like spaghetti, solid steel freight car draw bars (6" or more thick) and couplers just snapped off or sheared in two. No one was hurt or killed, no Hazmat spill. It took a full 3 days of around the clock work to reopen a double track mainline, but once "RJ Corman" was done the line was again rated for 60mph commuter traffic and 40mph freight. The St. Louis derailment site may be open for traffic now, late in the same day.
One unseen aspect of those rocking box cars is the cargo they were carrying. A load shift or possibly an imbalanced weight could have contributed to this. But there was a definite list to each car as it past the spot of where the derailing happened
My first thought at the beginning of the video: those locos are lurching badly at the points, no surprise what happened afterwards, obviously a serious track defect.
Consider for scale a dining car with a 4 top table on each side of the car with a isle in the middle. The rails are only 4' 8.5'' apart you realize that is a lot of overhang on each side rolling down the track at 80mph .
Most derailments are due to lack of maintenance. High center of gravity has little to do, despite appearances, because usually a flang climbs the rail before train overturns.
@@thomasstambaugh5181 I understand that. My comment is about the high center of gravity and how easy they can tip in a derailment. In Russia the gauge is 5'
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BIG string line... this isnt a maintenance issue as much who ever built the train put loaded cars after empties... and thats how you get string line derailments
Ok Joe, who was it this time?(Meaning the crew who laid those tracks down). Derailments happen more frequently than people think. I worked on the RR for 10 years and there hardly wasn't a day go by that we had a derailment somewhere on the line or in the yard. It was located in E. St. Louis-the hump yards. Great video.
@GilmerJohn that's actually a normal amount. sounds crazy I know but in the mid 1970s in any given year we had around 5000 derailments per year..so that's a huge drop, if they stopped putting empty cars in front of loaded cars and flushed PSR down the toilet that 3 a day # would be cut in half
@@Mrright87 -- 5000 down to 1000 shows a great improvement! Definitely the composition and distribution of loads in a consist can contribute to derails. But the bottom line is that in theory management should put a high priority on cutting derailments. Is, say, 3 a day (national reported) a reasonable cost to pay to keep rates low? Perhaps more thought should be given to hauling dangerous products. In the recent disaster in East Palestine, the product was vinyl chloride. This is an important chemical used to make vinyl polymers (plastics). Perhaps some way of encouraging "them" to make the plastics at the same plant where the vinyl chloride is made will reduce dangerous accidents.
@rcstl8815 orrrrrrrrr it's the corporations who aren't regulated enough and should be forced to pay to maintain the vital infrastructure they damage with the oversized heavy trains? Kinda like how truck drivers pay extra tax on road use for the damage heavy weight causes? Just a suggestion
@@mikeymikey4186 Corporations need business activity to generate money to maintain things. When activity is depressed, well, like in bidens 'merica, shit's gonna happen.
Looks like it might have “string-lined” The derailed cars include some empties that were between the locomotives and loaded cars. Pull too hard on those cars and the curved train wants to become a straight train and the lighter empties are easy to tip.
Long ago in the 60's a master mechanic (wreck master) clarified the difference. Derailments the equipment remained upright, wheels attatched still to the rolling stock. Wrecks, cars were cross lots and other damage. By the time I retired I was rerailing my own derailments. Not that management was happy but cut the delay somewhat. Most of our cabooses had rerail equipment under one of the bunks.
People, this isn't the first time a train has derailed in this area. A loaded coal train dumped 8 cars coming down from the bridge and piled up. What a mess. 😮
No they weren’t. Despite the flipped cars being still coupled, The inertia of all the railcars behind the cars that flipped were pushing on those railcars.
Only so much you can do by hand when you are dealing with hundreds if not thousands of pounds. They have to get the equipment to move things before the guys standing there can do anything sometimes. The first guys were local guys. The big equipment was RJCorman. They have a I believe two hour callout. Just glad no one was injured. Also that it was good weather because that would suck to do that stuff in the rain or snow.
So what caused the derailment, have they figured out how it happened? After watching & listening closely several times, sounds like u can hear the 8th box cars wheel set; sounds like it jumped or drops off the frogs or on the actual switch. Basically right after crossing over the switches before toppling over on there side. Maybe didn't help with them being empty and the amount of sway they had could had helped caused the initial derailment? Kinda
I'd speculate that the first set of wheels on the 6th car (first to flip) picked the points at the turnout of the crossover and maintained the course, while the car head of if drew the frame to follow into the crossover. The wheels probably hit the dirt inches after it picked and rode halfway between the main and the crossover, until the two inside rails exceeded the gauge, causing the wheels to pick a route. It also caused the wheelset to come dislodged from the bolster, at which point the only thing holding the car up was the tension on the drawbar which is when it began to lean, away from where the wheelset was. Once there was enough weight on one side, it completed the rollover, breaking the drawbar and causing the air to come apart. Meanwhile the damage to the switch was caused by the first wheelset so each trailing wheelset repeated the same actions, derailing at the points and popping off at the inside rail, causing a cascading chain reaction, until the train stopped. But that's purely speculation based on what the video shows.
It's good that it was caught on the live cam. This should be able to offer some answers as well as be a lesson to avert further incidents. #ACCIDENTSHAPPEN 🚂🇦🇺🇺🇸🇺🇸🇦🇺
I’ve watched quite a few a few train wreck video’s and I noticed that there’s any where from five to ten guys just standing around while one or two guys are working !
When I replayed the video, I noticed the odd sounds start at 0:21 followed by the sound that model trains make when they come off the tracks and ride on the railroad ties. The first TTX boxcar looked to be already getting pulled off the tracks by the railcar behind it, and it almost did the same thing to the TTX car in front of it too. You can hear random thumping before and after the first derailed car comes into view, most likely from the other railcars behind it hitting the ground on their sides. My assumption is either the refer car (the one that they put the small blue kid swimming pool under it (4:00 mark) to capture the diesel fuel leaking from it) or the boxcar behind it was the first one come off the tracks most likely from picking the first switch. Not really anything the engineer could have done at that point due to the rails crossing on the switch track that would of pulled the rest of the railcars off regardless what the engineer did to prevent it.
@@fiddlyphuk6414 I know a guy in St Louis who has told me that there is in fact a Derailment that happened on that day. He tells me that the young railfans were talking about it, and I say it like that because he's fairly average Shortline fanner.
Looks to be ehter a broken rail or it picked the facing point switch point . Is this the approach to the Howe Long Bridge? They will use the center beam flats to pull those back on the rail and then let the sidebooms come in and start picking up the mess.
even after slowing the video so .25 its quite obvious that the 8th car (the first we see derailed) is not the first to derail. I'ts obviously pushed by car 9, and the rest behind dominoed
The is the point that the axle/ wheel sets dislodgeig from the truck frame pedestal jaw. More MISSING SIDE FRAME KEYS. Add up all axles at site and that's how many keys were never installed. Look it up on Google and you can see the part that I am talking about. If the side frame keys were in place the trucks would never falling about. Safety first.
This is why I always cringe when I see people stop so close at crossings. If something happens, you're part of the wreck. And you might not live to talk about it.
interesting aht you still need a safety cone..... on private land, where there no public access?? thats a shit load of wagon wheels that got ripped off, was there a reason for this?
Correct. And if they hadn't rolled over, it would have even been classified a Minor derailment. Something that happens all the time, several times a day across the nation. Non-reportable derailments, when no injuries and less than a certain value of damage occurs. Here, the damage is minimal at best. Some doors will need new handles, corners will need new grab-irons. Wheels will need replaced and crossover track repaired.
Wow! My model railroad feels super realistic all of the sudden!
Mostly when you have visitors...
Especially the trucks on the freight cars. Reminded me of kadee and Hobbytown of Boston trucks with real springs. I kept thinking "Don't let those springs fly away! You will never find them again!"😊
Lol
😂
LOL.
The amount of sparking really shows the huge weight and momentum of the train , even at a relatively low speed
F=MV2 and there is one hell of a lot of M.
I'm just "wtf"ing at the backhoe operator, lol. * Peck, peck, flip, drop, peck...*
You need the right equipment for the job. Not just a little John Deere light duty backhoe.
It's amazing how many wrecks and train separations have been caught on the live cams of various Train Watching outfits. Virtual Railfan has caught several derailments, three just at Santa Fe Junction alone. Two that I know of on Horseshoe Curve...
Plus trains breaking in two etc.
It’s percentages. Shoot the places with turnouts and other derailment spots and you’re bound to catch them. It’s the same reason why most people get into car accidents within 5 miles of their homes, they drive that area most often.
@@prorobo You mean the places with most traffic?
Been happening daily....it's just another day on the railway...
Just shitty infrastructure. :)
Don’t forget about the one in KC
I've watched this camera before. It has some real sketchy track. Not much support under the rails. Lots of rocking and motion. I thought it might happen sooner.
I was about to comment the exact same thing. The track does look pretty sketchy for heavy mainline traffic.
Either a speed resumed too quickly, when the train had not cleared the needle, or as defined in the previous comments.
Boxcar: hey guys, we're coming up on that camera... Watch this!😂
@@chriscummings4206 he also probably said once he laid on the side "look ma I'm road kill HA HA HA"🤣🤣
I noticed the same thing with the first three to four box cars after locomotive #2 in the consist.
If this is Union Pacific trackage, they need to do some serious MOW track upgrade... I also noticed these tracks has wood ties...
Perhaps Union Pacific should use concrete ties on this stretch of trackage....
The way the cars sway at this location I felt a derailment was going to happen at some point
Me too!
Funny, I just looked at the video title
That looks like some pretty old track that needed replacement several years ago!!
They derailed long before they got to the part where they were swaying.
@@ffjsb I'm positive they were swaying before that
This was interesting to see. I'm glad no one was injured. It sounded pretty cool though , very noisy as the freight cars slid to a stop. Excellent video.
That was pretty mesmerizing to see the boxcars effortlessly fall on their sides.
If I had to speculate from the footage, it looks like a wheel picked the switch on the first turnout of the crossover. The drawbar is what pulled the car to follow the train but the wheelset did the tilting until the car came out of the bolster in sits on. After that, it's what you see in the video where the car rolls over, taking the others behind it as she goes.
@@SD40Fan_Jason Yeah, if you watch the St. Louis cam, there are a whole bunch of switches, and it just so happens that the wheel jumped the tracks on the switch and made a row of boxcars come down with it.
@@King_Of_The_Columbus_Sub All it takes is one bad spot on the wheels or switch and it's like watching dominoes fall.
@@HyperActive7 It's like East Palestine but there weren't any switches involved. It just takes one defect in one car to cause chaos.
Track conditions caused this or poor wheel conditions!
Even at low speed, the inertia of this train was incredible! So much kinetic energy packed into all that steel! It just wanted to keep on going.
Each locomotive masses up to 210 tons, each railcar around 20 to 40 tons EMPTY, add an estimated 100 to 120 tons for cargo each when loaded. Yep, a lot of mass wanting to remain in motion (Sir Isaac Newton) is a lot of inertia.
energy = 1/2 mass x speed x speed, courtesy Sir Issac Newton.
It looked to me that after it stopped it still got drug back a few feet while laying on its side.
Welcome to physics.
Isn’t physics fun to watch in action 👍👍😀
For local context, this is between Tucker & 7th, along Gratiot St. (That's the north end of the Purina campus in the background.)
They stayed coupled. That's wild.
I have the same problem with Athearn Genesis!
Couplers made of straight adamantium
One of the reasons for using that type of coupling is to stop vehicles riding up over each other in the event of a crash. That is important for passenger trains, in order to prevent adjacent coaches rising up and dropping onto wrecked vehicles. That was particularly important when coach bodies were constructed out of wood and didn't provide much protein tion from the heavy steel chassis and running gear.
Ouch! That's never a good day. Love to hear about what caused it. Very grateful to read no one hurt! Which is what really matters.
If no one got hurt then it's NOT a bad day.
@@robertf3479 Well, a lot of extra costly work and tie up of traffic is still a bad day. Injuries would have made it a _very_ bad day.
What really matters to the railroad is why did the accident occur and who will they assign blame too. Hopefully the Shareholders are ok.
@@stanlake2726 Hey, shareholders are VERY important! In fact, the majority of shareholders are normal everyday people hoping that when they retire their hard earned money that they have been saving in stocks has increased to a point so that they are even able to retire. Profitable companies and corporations are what makes the world go round. Without profit you do not have business and without business you live like people in Venezuela and eat your pets to survive and wipe your a$$ with corncobs!
Hole EEE SCHIIDDTT!!!!🤯🤯🤯 Glad it did that before it got to the bridge.
Look at the engines wheels at 0:10. There's a really bad joint before the points. That will be next week's derailment point.
I live in downtown STL and honestly I'm not surprised this happened. They've recently done major improvements on the bridge across the river and since then they've been running more trains and at 2-4 times the speed that they did before the improvements. There's no way that those improvements could have justified those speeds especially with all of the switches and traffic in the area, not to mention the incline and curves so it was clear they were putting to much stress on those tracks and it was only a matter of time. When I seen the aftermath on my way to work this morning around 6:30 needless to say I wasn't at all surprised. The rest of the train was still attached so I figured it had been in the last two hours. I'm just glad it wasn't worse since it could have easily been hazardous materials involved or a second or even third train. Hopefully they'll be a little more cautious on that stretch of tracks from now on.
Or replace them?
@@DonLuc23 Depends on how much damage there is. Rail will need replacing as will the switch or switches involved at least. Will they rebuild the roadbed and other track infrastructure? We shall see. If this section of track is problem prone they may take the opportunity to do it instead of simply "patching" the problem.
Sure....
I count 4 frogs 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸. That's way too fast! 🤣
That bridge has always been a permanent 15 MPH.
That was just before the elevated trackage that begins about where the locomotives were when it stopped. Could have been much worse with the close proximity of buildings under the elevated approaches and traffic on the streets. If you have to have a derailment then this is a good one.
That is good example of a classic low speed Tip Over from the cars rocking back and forth. The rocking sometimes increases to the point where a car tips over. Better road bed would help but perhaps some kind of dampeners on the cars might be in order.
You got a lot of info from where? Or did you just make this up as you went along?
That happened coming out of the UP 12th Street Yard just south of downtown STL, near where Gratiot Tower used to be. The train was heading East towards the MacArthur Bridge.
A very informative video for those who want to do model trains. It is interesting to see the truck and brake detail that is not always clear. In this exploded view, much becomes clear.
Someone must have put a penny on the tracks
Interesting to see 12 people standing around and watching 1 person working
This is exactly how the Wayne County Road Commission "workers" in Wayne County Michigan operate during road repair and road construction. I've seen countless times one guy handling a shovel digging a hole, and 4-6-8 other guys wearing hard hats standing around with their hands in their pockets playing pocket pool 🎱 or playing pocket ping pong.
A few guys sometimes are seen looking at their cell phones watching porn videos while getting paid hourly union wages. I've also seen numerous times many guys leaning on shovels so they won't fall down from falling asleep or being bored watching one guy actually using a shovel to dig, or scoop up dirt or debris. We Wayne County Taxpayers would be better off if these guys were paid as mafia "no show" employees because what you don't see won't piss you off. When it comes to jobs like we viewers see in this video, everyone on the accident site becomes a supervisor or a crime scene investigator, not a worker taking care of the problem.
@@rickprusak9326 even though I understand your frustration, in a situation like this, there is very little that can be done manually. It HAS to be done wit heavy equipment. I don't care how many men you have to put on it, you ARE NOT moving those trucks (wheels) by hand.
As for county workers, the most I know are NOT union employees and make very little money, they have decent benefits but usually make very little above minimum wage (at least around me). Also many times you see them standing around they are waiting on someone to turn off utilities (power or water) before they are allowed to begin.
I've never worked for County or State, but I have done work similar to the men in the video. Never got a rolled car up, but have re-railed cars and engines. It could be best described as hurry up and wait. The powers that be want someone on the job KNOW but don't have the heavy equipment there to get it done.
As a truck driver, especially this time of year, I see it 3-5 times a night on construction crews. One guy operating machinery and 10 standing there smoking cigarettes or talking
@@FFKDTP1 I remember long ago a naive Granny wrote in to the Editor of the local newspaper noting that the street labourers were so poor that they all had to share the same cigarette as they stood around watching the one guy in the hole digging...😀
Tells you have never worked construction in so few words.
I was a lineman for the Frisco RR. Home base was Monett Mo.
Even without the derailment in the first part, the lighting makes this a nice video.
The bogies were ripped away from at least four carriages... That isnt a simple derailment its a track issue.
Another track expert. So was was the cause of this derailment?
Yeah it helped me get better knowledge of the underside 😂
They stayed coupled. That's wild.. Interesting to see 12 people standing around and watching 1 person working.
normal
Just like state employees for sure
So crazy!! Can’t believe you have this on video! It will be interesting watching the clean up live!!
Not the first time or the last time it will happen here. Back in 2018, a number of hoppers and boxcars went off the "Y" just past here where the Amtrak trains turn and fell off the bridge.
A good example of why you should keep a respectful distance when rail-fanning.
I always stop a good distance back from the tracks at railroad crossings just in case something happens, especially when the high speed Brightline comes through at 79 MPH.
What a nightmare if a train derailed so close to you!!
So sad sad seeing train a derailment 🙁 Glad nobody was injured 🤕 Big clean 🧼 up. 🏴
Sad? A train derailment? Its a freight train not a passenger train.
It's not that big of a derailment. I saw the immediate aftermath of a 100+ car empty grain train derailing just north of Chicago several years ago. This was nothing by comparison.
About half the cars or more derailed at 45mph (the engineer was speeding by about 5mph,) the locomotives on the nose stayed upright and on the rails. Most of the cars that hit the ground were torn up so badly they were not worth repairing. 132lb rail was twisted up like spaghetti, solid steel freight car draw bars (6" or more thick) and couplers just snapped off or sheared in two.
No one was hurt or killed, no Hazmat spill.
It took a full 3 days of around the clock work to reopen a double track mainline, but once "RJ Corman" was done the line was again rated for 60mph commuter traffic and 40mph freight. The St. Louis derailment site may be open for traffic now, late in the same day.
Thomas & Friends Narrator: luckily no one was hurt
Smooth and clean, no one hurt, Thank God 🙏
That's right
Train wreck in St. Louis...LIVE...That's amazing footage. LOVE IT!
One unseen aspect of those rocking box cars is the cargo they were carrying. A load shift or possibly an imbalanced weight could have contributed to this. But there was a definite list to each car as it past the spot of where the derailing happened
Wow, just wanting to ask if I could use this video for my video at the derailment just to show what happened, I’ll make sure to give credit, thanks
"Huge Train Wreck!" That was SCARY!!!😑
My first thought at the beginning of the video: those locos are lurching badly at the points, no surprise what happened afterwards, obviously a serious track defect.
Lurching??? Explain please 🤔
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Oh Dear What A Crash! Luckily No One Was Hurt But Everything Is A Mess
Wow, a video on how to detail the underside of box cars!
1:05 glad they put the cone there, otherwise I haven't spotted what's going on
This is just the nature of railroad physics. High center of gravity on loaded fright cars, thin guideway surface. Bound to happen sometimes.
Not to mention sketchy track in need of major repair.
Consider for scale a dining car with a 4 top table on each side of the car with a isle in the middle. The rails are only 4' 8.5'' apart you realize that is a lot of overhang on each side rolling down the track at 80mph .
Most derailments are due to lack of maintenance. High center of gravity has little to do, despite appearances, because usually a flang climbs the rail before train overturns.
@@jamesrichardson559 This wreck happened about about 5mph. Looks like an issue with the switch/rails.
@@thomasstambaugh5181 I understand that. My comment is about the high center of gravity and how easy they can tip in a derailment. In Russia the gauge is 5'
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Clean up on track 5, Phil!!
BIG string line... this isnt a maintenance issue as much who ever built the train put loaded cars after empties... and thats how you get string line derailments
Surprised that the St. Louis intelligentsia didn't sniff out a looting opportunity there!
Happened before noon... so.
Ok Joe, who was it this time?(Meaning the crew who laid those tracks down). Derailments happen more frequently than people think. I worked on the RR for 10 years and there hardly wasn't a day go by that we had a derailment somewhere on the line or in the yard. It was located in E. St. Louis-the hump yards. Great video.
The national numbers say that about about 3 reportable derailments each day in the US.
@GilmerJohn that's actually a normal amount. sounds crazy I know but in the mid 1970s in any given year we had around 5000 derailments per year..so that's a huge drop, if they stopped putting empty cars in front of loaded cars and flushed PSR down the toilet that 3 a day # would be cut in half
@@Mrright87 -- 5000 down to 1000 shows a great improvement! Definitely the composition and distribution of loads in a consist can contribute to derails. But the bottom line is that in theory management should put a high priority on cutting derailments. Is, say, 3 a day (national reported) a reasonable cost to pay to keep rates low?
Perhaps more thought should be given to hauling dangerous products. In the recent disaster in East Palestine, the product was vinyl chloride. This is an important chemical used to make vinyl polymers (plastics). Perhaps some way of encouraging "them" to make the plastics at the same plant where the vinyl chloride is made will reduce dangerous accidents.
fun fact: its cheaper to just let trains crash like this than actually spend money on proper maintenance.
Yep, joebidens 'merica and a democrat city.
@rcstl8815 orrrrrrrrr it's the corporations who aren't regulated enough and should be forced to pay to maintain the vital infrastructure they damage with the oversized heavy trains?
Kinda like how truck drivers pay extra tax on road use for the damage heavy weight causes?
Just a suggestion
@@rcstl8815 remove regulations then blame dems when they are in power for things you fucked up, the republican way
100 up votes!
@@mikeymikey4186 Corporations need business activity to generate money to maintain things. When activity is depressed, well, like in bidens 'merica, shit's gonna happen.
All I can say is WOW! 😮😮😮
Just glad that no cars carrying flammables or toxics were involved
That's pretty insane. I wonder how it even tilted over like that😮
Looks like it might have “string-lined” The derailed cars include some empties that were between the locomotives and loaded cars. Pull too hard on those cars and the curved train wants to become a straight train and the lighter empties are easy to tip.
There was a minor derailment in Beverly Yard in Cedar Rapids, IA. This seems more of a derailment than an actual train wreck.
Long ago in the 60's a master mechanic (wreck master) clarified the difference. Derailments the equipment remained upright, wheels attatched still to the rolling stock. Wrecks, cars were cross lots and other damage. By the time I retired I was rerailing my own derailments. Not that management was happy but cut the delay somewhat. Most of our cabooses had rerail equipment under one of the bunks.
Thank goodness there were no hazardous materials cars that derailed.
People, this isn't the first time a train has derailed in this area.
A loaded coal train dumped 8 cars coming down from the bridge and piled up. What a mess. 😮
" people "
The Train: "I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP!"
Good catch !
Must of split a switch ?
That was a very nice easy derailment !!! Very lucky 👍
Unbelievable how you caught that footage 😊
Webcam - most probably focused 24-hours a day at that particular location.
@@elvispresley3340 Now we know why.
looks like bad track to begin with
heck of a dip after the frog, even the locos swayed
I mean Credit where it’s due, those couplers held up way better than I expected. Kept pulling even when a portion of the train is on its side lol
No they weren’t.
Despite the flipped cars being still coupled, The inertia of all the railcars behind the cars that flipped were pushing on those railcars.
It looks like the box car picked the switch. Thanks for the video.
You didn't see that.
pretty neat thanks for sharing
What I found interesting to see was 1 guy was working and there were 3 guys just watching the one guy work.
I noticed that, too.
The three guys watching, are bosses, most likely.
Manager, under-manager, coffee maker...
Not surprising as they've turned up with only one totally inadequate machine.
It's the RR way. Don't tell anyone
Imagine being the engineer and you look out your window and see half your train on its side. I'd personally start crying
The engineer can only control the speed, all else is with the gods!
If my job seen me standing around doing nothing I’d be fired in a heartbeat.
needs a clipboard
Not if you are wearing the white hard hat.
They'd hire you at the local DMV.
Is this your way of telling us you’re unemployed?
Only so much you can do by hand when you are dealing with hundreds if not thousands of pounds. They have to get the equipment to move things before the guys standing there can do anything sometimes. The first guys were local guys. The big equipment was RJCorman. They have a I believe two hour callout. Just glad no one was injured. Also that it was good weather because that would suck to do that stuff in the rain or snow.
So what caused the derailment, have they figured out how it happened?
After watching & listening closely several times, sounds like u can hear the 8th box cars wheel set; sounds like it jumped or drops off the frogs or on the actual switch. Basically right after crossing over the switches before toppling over on there side. Maybe didn't help with them being empty and the amount of sway they had could had helped caused the initial derailment?
Kinda
I'd speculate that the first set of wheels on the 6th car (first to flip) picked the points at the turnout of the crossover and maintained the course, while the car head of if drew the frame to follow into the crossover. The wheels probably hit the dirt inches after it picked and rode halfway between the main and the crossover, until the two inside rails exceeded the gauge, causing the wheels to pick a route. It also caused the wheelset to come dislodged from the bolster, at which point the only thing holding the car up was the tension on the drawbar which is when it began to lean, away from where the wheelset was. Once there was enough weight on one side, it completed the rollover, breaking the drawbar and causing the air to come apart. Meanwhile the damage to the switch was caused by the first wheelset so each trailing wheelset repeated the same actions, derailing at the points and popping off at the inside rail, causing a cascading chain reaction, until the train stopped. But that's purely speculation based on what the video shows.
@@SD40Fan_Jason this sound right and id guess what cased it was basically a string line getting that cars wheels light or nearly off the track
@@Elios0000 The first car may have stringlined when the wheels came unseated from the bolster. The rest of the cars simply rolled with the drawbars.
The track is in bad shape. They may have been at a legal speed, but it was still too fast for the condition of the track.
🎉Nothing like seeing a live train derailment
Ten workers standing around chatting while one guy runs a backhoe. Seems pretty efficient to me.
It's good that it was caught on the live cam. This should be able to offer some answers as well as be a lesson to avert further incidents. #ACCIDENTSHAPPEN
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Thanks!
"What happens if I pull this lever?" "Dooooooooooooooon't! Ohhhhhh shit."
Never made the News/Newspaper since it’s a Daily Occurrence 1/2 dozen times a day around the Country. RJ Corman and Hulcher Paid Bonuses last year. 🤪👍
This is got to be one of the best videos of a derailment, not that I want to see them. But usually you get one wheel coming off or a broken knuckle.
The SantaFe junction one is my favorite. That centerbeam got ripped!
0@@Bassotronics
1:05 NTSB guy's: Looks like the train fell over, Bob. Yep, Let's go to lunch, Jimbo.
Glad there wasn't a kid in the wading pool under the second car!
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Good catch guys
That domino effect is insane
I live in in STL-not a word about it. Don’t trust your local media
I saw the cars on their sides. It's real.
Empty cars with two fully loaded cars at the rear around a tight turn. Any kid who ever owned an electric train knows how that was going to end😂
I’ve watched quite a few a few train wreck video’s and I noticed that there’s any where from five to ten guys just standing around while one or two guys are working !
When I replayed the video, I noticed the odd sounds start at 0:21 followed by the sound that model trains make when they come off the tracks and ride on the railroad ties. The first TTX boxcar looked to be already getting pulled off the tracks by the railcar behind it, and it almost did the same thing to the TTX car in front of it too. You can hear random thumping before and after the first derailed car comes into view, most likely from the other railcars behind it hitting the ground on their sides. My assumption is either the refer car (the one that they put the small blue kid swimming pool under it (4:00 mark) to capture the diesel fuel leaking from it) or the boxcar behind it was the first one come off the tracks most likely from picking the first switch.
Not really anything the engineer could have done at that point due to the rails crossing on the switch track that would of pulled the rest of the railcars off regardless what the engineer did to prevent it.
Where did you find the pool at? I looked after reading that part and didn't see it
@@MysticRivers2 It's at the 4:00 mark. I'll add that in my comment 👍
@@BRIANumber7-RCandModels I noticed after I watched the whole video, lol
didn't know until it lost the air
@@fiddlyphuk6414 I know a guy in St Louis who has told me that there is in fact a Derailment that happened on that day. He tells me that the young railfans were talking about it, and I say it like that because he's fairly average Shortline fanner.
A Albany & Eastern bulkhead flat got caught up in that.
Better call Corman.
Looks to be ehter a broken rail or it picked the facing point switch point . Is this the approach to the Howe Long Bridge? They will use the center beam flats to pull those back on the rail and then let the sidebooms come in and start picking up the mess.
That's the eastern approach to the MacArthur Bridge just south of Downtown STL
Stunning.
even after slowing the video so .25 its quite obvious that the 8th car (the first we see derailed) is not the first to derail. I'ts obviously pushed by car 9, and the rest behind dominoed
They were pretty excited with the new release of Derail Valley :D
Well doesn't that just suck royally! Glad no one was hurt. Well done piece of video.
don't worry its just john playing with his model trains.
3:00 - An X-Acto knife is handy to put those truck springs in.
Should couplers be made to rotate so that one car tipping over does not cause others to tip over? Cause of this derailment? Thank you.
My friend caught the exact same bulkhead on the Albany and eastern railroad
00:51 "That'll do." LOL!!!
The is the point that the axle/ wheel sets dislodgeig from the truck frame pedestal jaw. More MISSING SIDE FRAME KEYS. Add up all axles at site and that's how many keys were never installed. Look it up on Google and you can see the part that I am talking about. If the side frame keys were in place the trucks would never falling about. Safety first.
This is why I always cringe when I see people stop so close at crossings. If something happens, you're part of the wreck. And you might not live to talk about it.
interesting aht you still need a safety cone..... on private land, where there no public access??
thats a shit load of wagon wheels that got ripped off, was there a reason for this?
It would be interesting to learn what caused this. The soundtrack proves that something was wrong well before any problem was visible in the film.
More like a derailment than a train wreck.
Agree
Choo choo
Correct. And if they hadn't rolled over, it would have even been classified a Minor derailment. Something that happens all the time, several times a day across the nation. Non-reportable derailments, when no injuries and less than a certain value of damage occurs. Here, the damage is minimal at best. Some doors will need new handles, corners will need new grab-irons. Wheels will need replaced and crossover track repaired.
Same thing
And as for "huge".......
That's a bummer. 😮
Would be interesting to know what exactly caused it.
Do the carriages sit on the bogies with just gravity holding them on?
Yes.
@@buddyclem7328 Thanks!
UP Mixed manifest M714 ( ex K814 ) tips over and derails?! How did that happen?!