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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- What exactly was it that the monks saw that night in the sky in 1178? Could it have been the impact of an asteroid hitting the Moon’s surface? Or a meteorite entering the earth’s atmosphere just at the right moment? Did the Moon really split in half or was it just a shared delusion? In this video we shall talk more about this strange Medieval mystery that has baffled historians and scientists alike for almost 850 years. It should be said that the monks in question were more than willing to take an oath to substantiate what they had seen. Gervase further reported, “They are prepared to stake their honour on an oath that they have made no addition or falsification in the above narrative”.
0:00 Introduction
2:09 The Moon
4:07 The Man in the Moon
5:26 Meteorites
6:18 The Crater Theory
7:48 Propaganda
🎶🎶 Music by CO.AG: / @co.agmusic
Narrated by James Wade
Edited by James Wade
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Carl Sagan wrote about this event in his book, Cosmos. It was hypothesized that the moon was hit by a large object. If this was true, the moon would still be reverberating like a bell. Once lasers were invented, they could find out. I was a laser optics technician and polished a set of ATR plates ( germanium Attenuated Transmission Reflection plates) that were gold coated and taken to the moon in the 1970s. Then scientists on earth aimed a laser at the plates, which acted like a mirror, many times over a long period, and timed the arrival of the return laser rays. Turns out the moon is still reverberating like a bell from that 12th-century impact.
How does it ring in a vacuum?
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My grandfather designed and built radio astronomy telescopes, including a large one for the Navy (at one point the largest) and a number of his hypotheses about the moon's composition were proven correct.
Pretty sure he also did some astronomy using lasers but I am not certain, as he did a lot of things in his long and varied career as a government scientist and engineer.
Sorry…I was taught reasoning skills…..the moon has been hit by all kinds of stuff. The idea of Sagan’s is ridiculous and other strong res and physicists have disagreed. A visible hit like that would’ve altered the course. No change in the orbit or timing was ever indicated. According to Tesla, whom I give more weight to, EVERYTHING vibrates and thus capable of reverberations
But Niel Armstrong walk normally in his video of the moon
I love, love, love how almost every single video you drop is so refreshingly unique, and not the same old small obscure fact everyone already knows that somehow is then stretched into a 15 minute video by every other history/ random science 'fact' channel.
nah...every one of your videos is so well done, from the script being able to portray both concise generalizations and intimate peeks into the personal lives of the people you so perfectly portray. from the princes to the peasants to the vast array of incredible art pieces you somehow have, to the way you create such a vivid picture with the script
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I’m from Norwich and I learnt a nursery rhyme from as early as I can remember. It goes like this.
“The Man on the moon 🌙 came down to soon, to find his way to Norwich. He went by the south and burnt his mouth, on eating cold plum porridge 🥣 “
An interesting fascinating fact is that JRR Tolkien created his song “The man in the moon” that Frodo sang when he had his Little accident, drew inspiration from this ancient nursery rhyme. I’ve subscribed thank you 😊
How do you burn yourself with cold porridge?
@@elio7610 what’s good for you might not be good for everyone. What’s cold to us is hot to the man on the moon.
@@matternst1442 i assumed that the phrasing of "man on the moon" implied it was just a regular human. It just seems like a very odd detail to even specify that the porridge is cold and yet also that it burned someone's mouth. If we really think about it, a "cold" porridge is probably just the same temperature as the surrounding environment (or even colder), so even if such a temperature was enough to burn an alien, the porridge itself would not be the only thing around that could burn them. Why would they even attempt to eat such a porridge if they were an alien and in an environment that was hot enough to burn them? People are often cautious about eating food at foreign countries, let alone foreign planets.
I'm convinced these nursery rhymes are warnings about future trials we will all encounter. Clues to the mystery. Just saying...
..come down too soon ...(crash landing?)
I love how confidently people dismiss the moon having an effect on the seasons, despite knowing full well that it's gravity effects the oceans on our planet, and that rain most often gathers above said oceans, with rainfall being a hugely defining factor in the peception of the seasons.
@bastiat I genuinely have no idea what you're even trying to say.
Are you trying to agree with me? Or mock me? Because right now I straight up cannot understand what you have tried to write.
They didn't know anything about gravity until newton
Well, I have seen a moonbow once in my 70 years, and it was very impressive. It was not a bow, but two patches, and kind of like a black opal. So, I can understand how weird things can appear at night. Cheers to the monks for recording whatever they saw.
Moonglow: Benny Goodman 1935
@@garyfrancis6193 Oh, I have not heard that in years! Thank you for reminding me.
That is interesting. Must have been cool to see. I'm going with a lunar impact as the cause. It's reasonable and certainly well within the realm of possibility. Or it's made up. We'll never know.
What is yhe realm of possibility?
It was an ice halo! They can create rings around the sun or moon and can also create upside down rainbows!
This was super interesting. At least to my intuition, the explanation of a metorite expoding in Earth's atmosphere while traveling directly towards the monks in line with the moon makes the most sense. They'd have scene light distortions from the dust and bright burning fragments spreading outwards from the explosion.
Of all the brutal and insane atrocities you could commit in medieval times, you would expect one would be sent to the moon for doing something much worse than "making butter on a Sunday"
Ah, but you don't understand. Most of the atrocities you mention were either ordered by God, or were instituted by rulers who were ordained by God, which amounts to the same thing. They were good, right, proper, and to not do them would have been a sin, and it certainly would have been heresy to object to them. Making butter, OTOH, for the purpose of making it for people to eat and enjoy and be nourished by, was working on "the sabbath", forbidden by God, and worthy of being put to death.
There are good reasons why I have rejected this god, and don't believe in any others either.
A lot of insane and brutal atrocities are totally ok from their perspective. God doesn't care if you're good, he cares if you're obedient.
Catholics, amirite?
@@daniels4338 Catholics did it, but Protestants did it even more. Think about the Puritans and their rules!
@@rudra62 ISSO LENDA CRIADA POR ILUMINISTAS!
You know the dark, dank recesses of a medieval abbey would be a perfect place to cultivate various sorts of mushrooms.
I'm just saying.
(The mushrooms *are* god)
Yeah sorry cheif im going to have to shut you down realllll fast their, the kind of fungi you are looking ofr would be cubensis that dont grow native in colder regions of the world meaning you would have to cultivate liberty caps and liberty caps are almost impossible to cultivate due to they hate being transported and only fruit in frost and cold shock conditions, we have only managed to grow them for a short period of time deliberately, now the idea that they collected them after finding viable spots out during the winter and autumn time is alot more likely due to the fungi in question growing on sheep and cow grazed land and when they grow they end up fruiting in the millions, if they had a way to dry and preserve the fruit body then they could be preserved for incredible periods of time. TLDR: they more than likely foraged them rather than grew as its so hard without modern sterile conditions to not kill yourself or the mushrooms you are trying to grow and the fact they like the cold the ones we had access too. Source i have read and listened to everything terrance mckenna rambled about.
Are you implying these brothers be trippin? Lol that is very plausible
@@SassyTheSasquatch96 yeah agreed, Psilocybe semilanceata(liberty caps) or Psilocybe cyanescens both grow wildly in abundance all over the British isles. There are several other species as well, but those two would have been easy for any experienced herbalist at the time to forage. But growing them? No way, and really no need.
True that - but I find spiritual places can be risky places. Remember - set and setting is key for those people (like myself, Psychonauts, etc) who don't want to end up sectioned.
Very interesting. Reminds me of the appearance of Halley's Comet in the Bayeaux Tapestry.
Idk, but 1400s ago there some one said.
During the lifetime of the Prophet (ﷺ) the moon was split into two parts and on that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Bear witness (to thus).
Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) was alive in the 600s, not the 1400s
The Hour has drawn near, and the moon was split in two. Yet, whenever they see a sign, they turn away, saying, “Same old magic!”. They rejected the truth and followed their own desires and every matter will be settled, even though the stories of destroyed nations that have already come to them are a sufficient deterrent (Al-Qamar 1~4)
@@KekasihMuGelapthis is the Truth I was looking for ❤
I often have dreams about the moon breaking up and falling to earth. This must have been terrifying for these people.
They had no concept of the moon’s size, the effects of gravity, or the actual consequences of such an event. I would imagine their fear would be much more ignorant and primal, like how a dog is afraid of fireworks.
Lovecraft 😂
Just curious - how long have you had these dreams? What do you think they mean for you?
Your subconscious must be a fascinating place
Yeah, just imagine getting caught in a massive cheese storm.
The qualities of these videos for only 24.7k subscribers is insanely good.
The Meccan polytheists said: “O Muhammad ﷺ, if you really are a prophet and messenger, then perform for us a miracle that will testify to your prophetic mission. He ﷺ asked them, what do you want to see? They asked to split the moon, hoping that this would demonstrate his helplessness. The Messenger of God ﷺ cried out to the Most High, He is Holy and Great, so that what they ask would be accomplished. Then the Moon split into two parts. And the Prophet ﷺ exclaimed to them: “So bear witness!”
This is what we all need a lovely history lesson and wonderful visuals - truly lovely.
The moon splitting is one of the most talked about miracles in Islam although this happened in the 7th century not the same as the one mentioned in this video.
7th century after Muhammed? That Would be ~10th century Ano Domini.
@@nastynate534 no it was the 7th century AD and was in Muhammad's time.
But Islam is all bullshit.
"miracle: LOL!
@@generaldissatisfaction5397 I don't understand, r u mocking or genuinely have no tangible evidence to substantiate any point or argument?
In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful
1 ) The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].
( 2 ) And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, "Passing magic."
( 3 ) And they denied and followed their inclinations. But for every matter is a [time of] settlement.
( 4 ) And there has already come to them of information that in which there is deterrence -
( 5 ) Extensive wisdom - but warning does not avail [them].
( 6 ) So leave them, [O Muhammad]. The Day the Caller calls to something forbidding,
( 7 ) Their eyes humbled, they will emerge from the graves as if they were locusts spreading,
( 8 ) Racing ahead toward the Caller. The disbelievers will say, "This is a difficult Day."
Many denied what was mentioned in the Qur’an about the splitting of the moon, but since the phenomena happened again and was documented in Britain, there is no need to deny the splitting of the moon mentioned in the Qur’an
And it is not necessary that the splitting mentioned in the Qur’an be a real split of the moon into two pieces , the important thing is that the moon appeared as if it was split
U r right
Well that would mean it's wrong
@@CCP_Operative why ??????????
@@krimozaki9494 Because it would show Muhammed was mistaken and did not know what was going on.
@@CCP_Operative On what basis do you say that he did not know what was happening? The Qur’anic verse did not say that the moon was split into two parts. All that is mentioned is that it was split or cracked " the arabic word used can mean split but also cracked which could happen with an asteroid " . As for the hadiths, they are a description of what the Companions saw at that time
This is by far the best video produced on the channel thusfar. Well done!
"The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]. And if they see a sign [i.e., miracle], they turn away and say, "Passing magic." "
[Surah Al-Qamar: 1-2]
So it was magic.
@@elio7610 no it’s not, if it was magic, it would be only seen by people where the magic happened, not in other parts of the world, there’s documentation about splitting of the moon in China, and India, and you can verify it yourself; if you have a telescope at home look at the Rima Sirsalis, it’s the longest rille on the moon, NASA lies about how it was created but they can’t deny it existence.
@@elio7610 The disbelievers of Quraysh said: ‘The son of Abu Kabshah has enchanted you with magic.’ Then one of them said: ‘If Muhammad has enchanted the Moon in this way, then surely his magic would not have bewitched the whole world. Ask those who arrive from other lands if they saw it.’ So people came and they questioned them, and they confirmed that they had seen it take place.”
Abu Jahl said: ‘This is magic. Send people to the remote areas to see if they witnessed it or not.’ The people living in the remote areas confirmed that they had seen the Moon splitting. The disbelievers simply said: ‘This is continuous magic.’”
It was also reported by ‘Alqamah, again from ‘Abdullah ibn Mas’ud. It was also narrated by Anas (Bukhari 3637) (Muslim 2802) Ibn ‘Abbas (Bukhari 3638) (Muslim 2803), Ibn ‘Umar (Muslim 2801), Hudhayfah, ‘Ali, and Jubayr ibn Mut’im (Tirmidhi 3289).
The people of Makkah asked the Prophet ﷺ to show them a sign. So he showed them the splitting of the Moon into two parts, until they could see Hira’ in between.”
Qatadah also related this from Anas.
In the narration of Ma’mar, and others, from Qatadah:
“He showed the splitting of the Moon and Allah Exalted revealed:
‘The Hour has drawn near and the Moon was split in two.’” (54:1)
Please close your mouth. This is embarrasing passage. The moon didn't split.
@@finnjake6174 stay ignorant, I gave you a way to verify it for yourself but you’re too lazy to do so.
Oh my god this is good first episode of any channel I’m listening to completely bewildered!
Bruno taught that the universe had no centre and that the stars were other suns. This annoyed the church, but what got him executed was his denial of the Trinity.
Good for him! Poor man.
Yep, the confusion about these things is really annoying.
The Church prosecutes for matters of faith, not science, and neither Galileo nor Bruno were prosecuted for their scientific research but rather for the use they made of them or their stance on specific issues of religion.
In the case of the former, it was teaching his hypothesis (which he couldn't prove to be true at the time) as absolute truth, on the same level as the Bible.
The latter was condemned exclusively on matters of faith, mainly his denial of the virginity and "mother of God" status of Mary.
It takes real genius to accidentally notice that the Moon effects the tides. That and a shitload of free time.
If you fish in tidewater you will figure that out pretty quickly. They weren't any stupider than we are now.
Fact: Despite our "labor saving devices/machines"
people of earlier times had much more leisure
"free" time than people in our current society.
Life moved at a slow pace and most people
of all classes spent a great deal of time
outdoors during the warmer months of the
year.
@@bridgetstoli2347 true. Just didn't know why crap did what it did...like thats pretty smart, finding out water is drawn upwards recedes down(in soil, like the tides)based in moon proximity.
No ancient people just lived much more reliant on nature than we do and were much more in tune with those things.
We were hunter gatherers for thiusands of years. Modern hunter gatherers work less than six hours a day to provide for themselves. Our ancestors had more free time than we do. In thousands of years, they had lots of time to observe the world around them. They knew lots of stuff that we don't about the natural world.
I just shot tea of my nose when you said: a delicious fryer (friar) called Bacon 😂🤣
"Did the moon really split in half?"
I'm pretty sure it didn't since it is still up there in one piece.
The moon did split in half however it got better.
@@stephenpmurphy591 it was just going through a breakup at the time.
@@PuppeteerGaming so you could say it was going through a .... phase? 😁
You might want to see this
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Yes, 1400 years ago, for a while
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Asteroid/comet impact. Probably a comet, they break up in pieces before they hit. At least Schumaker-Levi did when it hit Jupiter.
Exactamento what I thought/suspected. Great minds think alike , etc etc regards Brian Dawson Edinburgh Scotland 😎
Could the strange lunar phenomena have been caused by extraterrestrials? Ancient astronaut theorists.. say yes.
They built pyramids on the Moon and then blew them up for fun.
If so, what was the message they trying to communicate to man? One ancient astronaut theorist believes he has the answer. . .
Lordy, I hope you're being sarcastic. I'm almost afraid to ask, since I've seen such absurdities written quite seriously. 🤨
@@MaryAnnNytowl that one is definitely a joke. He basically made an "Aliens did it" meme joke.
**ANCIENT ALIEN MEME GUY**
Did whoever calculated that the new moon would not have been visible in that part of the sky at the time in question in 1178, take into account the changes that created the Gregorian Calendar in 1582 when 10 days were removed? In 1582, October 4 was directly followed by October 15.
I just made a chart for June 18th 1178 Julian calendar, and 1 hour after sunset the Moon was also almost near to the western horizon at Canterbury, but it was in a new moon phase so your are right, the moon was invisible that day. Maybe they reported the wrong date.
Let me check with them….
They said No, David.
I wonder what calendar the monks were using at that time. Hopefully this was taken into account when researchers tried to correlate this event with what is known about astronomical history.
I wondered this myself, and being a pedant I entered the date stated in the video (18-Jun-1178) into Stellarium and indeed the moon isn't visibly from England. However Stellarium uses the Gregorian calendar and the monks would have likely used the Julian calendar, since it was before 1582. This causes an offset of 7 days, and if you enter the 'corrected' date into Stellarium (25-Jun-1178) there moon is a waxing gibbous.
@@mightywurlitzer search splitting of the moon adn Quran.
They were still using the Julian calendar. The Gregorian calendar only came out in Renaissance times, which is why the British didn't use it until centuries later. They said it was 'Papist'.
@@mightywurlitzer Stellarium has been using the Julian calendar for dates before October 15, 1582 since, at the latest, 2010. The phase is given as "slim crescent". From Canterbury, the moon was probably barely visible just after sunset, although a 1-day error of the chronicler should not be excluded. And regarding your calendar correction, June 18 (Greg)=June 11(Jul). On June 18 (Greg) the waning crescent moon was in last quarter and invisible in the evening.
@@berimbolo010 the quran is a book of fairytales, just like the bible
This event happened actually in 8th century during prophet Muhammad life time...Quran informed us about that:
54:1-2 The Hour draws near; the moon is split in two.
Whenever the disbelievers see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘Same old sorcery!’
Inshallah I find a Muslim here. Definitely others are infidels misled by Shatan,they believe in fake stories written by false worshippers in medieval times
@Thanh Carmen The only fake story here are the supposed "miracles" created by false prophet Muhammad
Wasn't there an event where some major astronomers happened to be gazing at the moon outside one of the early observatories just as a major asteroid hit the moon?
How much different was their sighting from this one?
I don't know about the specific event you are referring to. But the wikipedia page for Transient Lunar Phenomenon has a nice summary of recorded events dating all the way back to the one described in this video. They all appear to describe small dots of light rather than the very impressive effects recorded by these monks.
There is also a brief passage noting that the formation of the Giordano Bruno crater would likely result in weeks of intense meteor showers on Earth due to ejecta. That has was not recorded anywhere in historical documents of that period.
Don’t count on Wikipedia for facts. I’m not a researcher or expert, but I’m smart and a voracious reader and the number of errors I’ve found is astonishing. The biggest danger is the fact that the site will have several facts and then toss in a completely false paragraph. Try Brittanica, most university sites even some specialist sites, lunar and planet institute etc. I’m not saying your input was wrong per se, just that the site is often incorrect
@@debbylou5729 The list I mentioned have first source references for each entry. Wikipedia is often a good starting point when exploring a new topic, but it is indeed important to cross reference with other sources. Being crowd sourced, people encountering errors can easily fix them, but that of course also means that less knowledgeable people can inadvertently or otherwise insert incorrect information.
@@michaeldamolsen you missed my point entirely. You’re only focused on thinking I called you out. Wikipedia, and every source like it is the absolute worst place to start. Any site that has thousands of lies and inaccuracies like Wikipedia has isn’t a good source for any point in studying and finding knowledge. Personally, I was trying to be helpful. I also can’t possibly care any less about what you consider to be information. You’ll only embarrass yourself
@@debbylou5729 I should have spent a bit more time writing my previous reply, because it might not have been clear what I meant. I often use Wikipedia as a starting point because it provides me references to other more detailed and possibly more reliable sources, like the ones you mentioned (university sites, scientific articles, specialist sites etc).
The number of factual errors I have seen on Wikipedia is lower than what you report, but I am sure that varies over time and by topic, and of course my own expertise in the area covered by the article (i.e. I might not know enough to spot incorrect information.) You are absolutely right, we must keep that in mind when reading an article. Another thing I do find handy with Wikipedia is that it many times gives me some technical terms that I can use for further searches. This is what I meant by it being a good starting point; not for acquiring the knowledge I seek, but by giving me references to places and terms which might.
My reply was not in defence of Wikipedia, just the list that I referred to, and the sources that list is quoting. I emphasized that Wikipedia is crowd sourced, so you cannot know the motivation or level of expertise of the persons writing any part of an article. (I did this in my reply to you, not in the original response to which you replied.) I would say that we might agree on the nature of the issue, but perhaps not the severity of it.
I am not sure what you mean by the last part of your reply. It seems I might have angered you, which was certainly not my intention. I offer my apologies if that is the case.
I say we should trust the account as it is written; I see no reason why the moon cannot throb like a wounded snake
Especially a trouser snake.
Glad I found this channel, good stuff man!
I’m definitely banking on an impact from a meteor of some kind, just larger than what normally hits the lunar surface. The moon makes for a good shield against those sorts of things, similar to how the planet Jupiter’s gravitational pull helps prevent potential collisions.
In Islam there's also a story of the moon being split
Yes its funny because it happened when everyone was sleeping except the one who claimed that the moon split by his god🤣🤣
In Islam they also say Mohammed leaped over the moon using a donkey
@Khalid Alsanhagi Islam didn’t even exist until like 1400 years ago.
@Khalid Alsanhagi 🤣🤣🤣 islam religion or the terrorists and the one who claim that he is prophet from god(muhamad) the first terrorist in islam
@@magicworld8208. Not true. There are numerous accounts of Eye witnesses in Mecca, Medina and many documented accounts of Eye witnesses from India who saw the moon being split. Including the King of Kerala who later converted to Islam because of what he has witnessed.
My advice to you is to try to be informed on something before arguing about it, in order to avoid embarrassments Like this one
Sounds like a comet that had heat distortion making the moon appear to writhe and block out a part appearing to split it.
Comets are cold, not hot. Heat distortion would just melt it.
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 you're right about that!
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 yeah they are cold until they enter the atmosphere and heat up and begin to vaporize
Explain how its in the Quran then?
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 I know comets are cold, but entering the atmosphere causes friction, heat and melting. I dunno.
You speak so fast that is difficult for non-native english speakers to understand clearly.
GREAT VIDEO!
Interesting. The prophet muhammad was also reported to perform a moon splitting miracle once.
@@blonkshunter5252 there was one during his lifetime
@@blonkshunter5252God himself ?
Could you prove the sea splitting of Moses with other than the words of God ??
Ok...So a rather large meteor came crashing through earth's atmosphere and its path from the monk's perspective happened to coincide with the upper tip of the crescent moon.
And the heat it threw off as it heated and disintegrated caused the heat mirage effect you see on a hot summers day over roads, giving the appearance that the moon was roiling.
Doesn't sound very mysterious.
The medieval periods were around 1400 - 1700.
Moon split happened before the year 1000.
Medieval period was between 5th and 15th centuries.
Roger Bacon, a 13th century delicious sounding Franciscan friar 😂
Friar up some Bacon
Not to be confused with Francis Bacon.
Giordano Bruno didn’t think the sun was the center of the universe. He said that the sun was a star with revolving planets and that the other stars also had planets some teaming with life as the earth does
As someone from and living in Christchurch, Canterbury, NZ, I was momentarily confuséd
Once again, so so interesting!! Such a marvelous series!! Thank you again!!!
How about the DRUG theory...people seem to leave out the prevalence of drug use, especially in religious ceremony! Could have just been some good shrooms!
I both love and hate the flowery language of this era. Amusing more still is how most things said were taken at face value with little evidence and circulated wildly, just like today.
I remember in Islaimic History some teacher talked about moon was splitted in Mohamad's time, i heared that later too, was explained that Mohamad splitted the moon
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The Hour has drawn near, and the moon was split in two. Yet, whenever they see a sign, they turn away, saying, “Same old magic!”. They rejected the truth and followed their own desires and every matter will be settled, even though the stories of destroyed nations that have already come to them are a sufficient deterrent (Al-Qamar 1~4)
Why is no-one mentioning a moon splitting even that happened during the prophet muhammeds time? Where the moon was split to show meccan Pagans that the prophet was legit? Even a Hindu king witnessed the event and when he heard about the prophet he converted.
Maybe the medieval writers were relaying an older story?
maybe. the Qur'an wasn't translated to other languages yet at the time so if the christian monks did witness such an event, it's probable they didn't know what to make of it because it wasn't mentioned in their own scriptures, so they just made shit up like bloodletting/pseudo-astrology and other pagan rituals and incorporated it into their own religion. but i think it's also possible that they were relaying an older story like you said.
Those old mediaevals worked out the moon and the tides; but Galileo insisted that it was just the water sloshing back and forth - and started a pamphlet war trying to discredit anyone who said otherwise.
Also, Bruno wasn't an astronomer. He was a nutcase who said the sun was a god, which was why the earth went around it.
Maybe atmospheric heat inversions and a meteor at the right moment? Would've been cool to see!
Imagine getting banished to space because you made butter on a sunday
Trouble is, in 1178 AD the concept of accurate truthful record did not exist. ALL records were made for a purpose and adapted / edited / shaped for that purpose. The concept of a record or truth for its own sake did not exist.
The important element about the moon that you neglected was that until Galileo, everyone in the Christian and Islamic world believed that the moon was an intellegent!, ethereal, supernal body (not physical). Galileo's first and most important fight was proving with his telescope that it was a big rock, which was also considered heretical. All of astrology depends on this belief, so this information would surely be significant for a story like this one.
it was the hermetics who believed that , some of the Christians and the Muslims were influenced by them
I was already leaning towards making butter this Sunday, but thank you for helping me solidify that plan
So why didn’t half the world observe the same thing.
They certainly had some interesting ideas back then. And by interesting I mean batshyte crazy 🤣
I'm kinda jealous tbh
Hey when everything you know is based on myths, legends and religion instead of science the results can be disastrous.
Imagine how different the world was to them compared to us. It's so awesome to think about. Living on the same earth but they viewed it so differently.
Unrelated but I'm stealing and using "batshyte" from now on.
That's a contemporary view. Medieval attempts were made to explain the natural world. It works, but not in your Worldview.
Yay first. But I shouldn’t be….there should be a line out the door to watch these as they come out. These vids are fantastic
straight up
Exactly at that moment the Quran states in chapter 54 vers 1: "The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has split. Yet whenever they see a miracle, they turn away, and say, “Continuous magic.” They lied, and followed their opinions, but everything has its time."
If the moon actually split in two there would be records and reports of it across all different types of cultures but it's not at all.
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What's your source for G Bruno being burnt hanging upside down?
The man in the moon just wanted a haircut like theirs.😊
The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]. And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, 'Passing magic' (Quran 54:1-2).
Fascinating
So Bacon says that the tides are dependent upon the Moon, but believes it's due to light and it's effect on water vapors? As someone living in the political cess pool that is the U.S. right now, I guess I can understand how two sets of people can see the same exact thing and come to totally different conclusions about why and how.
That almost sounds like an impact or volcanic explosion followed by a large cloud of debris and settling dirt. So far as I've been told the moon has been void of volcanic activity and lacks any possibility of volcanic action for a long time.
Sounds like a lunar Eclipse!
People in 500 years are going to think WE are DUMB 😆
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It is perfectly correct to leave ‘that’ out of that sentence.
I think it right now
Imagine being a philosopher back then spending your whole life studying just to think some bullshit like that 🙄
Lmfao. Thank you for that
They will say the same about us in the future.
@@0Chinese0Arithmetic0 some of us maybe. Not all of us.
@@winsalot84 the ones who envision themselves as enlightened visionaries are the ones who will be known for their pretense, not their brilliance.
@@0Chinese0Arithmetic0 so like I said then... Some of us, lol. I like to think most of us in this day and age are smarter than our predecessors.
must have been some mighty fine wine, those monks!!!!
Butter on a sunday?! Outrageous!
I've always had one problem with this story. It was reported and documented only by this one gathering of monks, but was it reported by anyone else or in different places? That's the documentation I hope to see one day.
Actually splitting moon is one of the Muhammad 's miracles even takes place in the Quran.It's a very common knowledge among Muslims.
One thing you have to consider is that many people across the earth would likely be looking at the moon at the same time. The Muslim world in particular was very scholarly and would've taken note of this happening if it was actually something large scale happening on the moon at this time.
but the splitting of the moon montioned in the Quran is from the 7th century not the 12 th century
The Muslim world wasn't particularly more scholarly than Europe or China in the XIIIth century.
You're thinking of the Xth century.
Sounds as though the original part was a comet or meteor and the rest was likely hysteria.
I do wonder if the scientists took the calendar shifts into consideration.
How dare you question scientists! Don't worry your puny little brain, just trust the experts, don't question anything... Just like you've done your entire life, since 1st grade...
@@mikehunt8375 :P ha ha ha. Too old for that. me and my class mates were taught to question everything oh so many decades ago. Long before the curriculum was dumbed down.
"...delicious sounding franciscian friar..." That almost gave me a heart attack, well played !
Sounds like a meteor or something hit it, throwing up some dust?
As for the Moon not being visible that might be solved when considering the difference between the Julian calendar and the present Gregorian. Then a waxing Moon would be visible in the south-west.
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Each of the prophets performed certain miracles, so one of the miracles of Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) was a staff that turned into a snake, Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) could heal the terminally ill and resurrect the dead, etc. This is a supernatural ability, not subject to the laws of nature, which the Almighty grants to His prophets so that they can verify their prophecy.
Friar Bacon could be a little crispy.
The moon can be seen from many many vantage points yet they were the only people, a handful of monks who witnessed and recorded it yet millions of other people saw nothing of those claims?
Just a quick mention, the calendar the 11th century monks were following could be different to what we use now, it seems when making calendars in the past, they routinely left out a few days, here and there and the Julian and Gregorian calendar differ greatly... There isn't anyway of knowing what our real cronalogical date is. 😺🐈👍
Meteorite(s) broke into smaller and smaller parts between them and the moon. The heat caused the wavy-ness - like a mirage. The pieces blocked out the light of the already thin crescent of moon. Had the moon been bigger and brighter, it might not have been noticeable.
Someone else estimated that the moon phase would have been a waxing gibbous at the time
Early glitch in the matrix. Projector was flickering.
I've seen a rock hit the atmosphere - a hot coal is a good description - something I recall which I don't understand is that the rock split directly above me, and it made a sort of pop noise - but I heard it simultaneously to what I saw. Shouldn't there have been a delay?
That’s strange
@@hansa9159 Yes I know, I clearly recall the rock splitting and the noise happening simultaneously. Last year I read an article about sound, and it said that in some instances, and I can't recall what they were, if an object is travelling at hypervelocity the sound it emits also has that speed. I'm going to do a search and see what I find.
Well spoken and edit.
Hee! My mental picture is of medieval monks wandering around with tubs of I Can't Believe It's Not Butter under their robes. "Brother Francis, is that a tub of butter under your robes, or are you just happy to see me?"
"But why is there a living woman up on the moon?"
"She made butter on a Sunday."
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Might want whatever they were smoking or drinking cuz that's crazy
How was the grain supply of the monastery? I will be looking for Erga in the grain were the flour for the bread they were eating...
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@@briandawson8701 Thank You!
I think the monks were picking some interesting mushrooms for their evening meal 😵💫
The tasty red ones with the little white dots do stuff like that... 😁
Hmm.... let's see. At Canterbury on 18 of June, 1178 at about a hour after sunset. [Cranks up planetarium program].
Sun set at that time and location: 20:14
The moon is 0.03 illuminated (it's very near New Moon) so not much of a crescent, and is 3° 48' above the western horizon (being a near New Moon it's in near conjunction with the Sun).
An hour later (21:14) the Moon is at a azimuth of -4° 15' (below the western horizon).
[An ecclesiastical hour (37mins 37.166secs) after sunset (at 20:51:37) the moon would be at azimuth -1° 16"]
Yep -- it'd believe that.
New Moon at the end of the 6th ecclesiastical hour (13:19:30/ 6.9466 hrs) 17th of June, 1178.
Did you allow for the use of the Julian calendar?
@@christopherlawley1842 No. I didn't think of that.
The Julian date 16/06/1178 is Georgian 25/06/1178.
This is much better!
Moon one hour after sunset (21:13) is at an azimuth of 24 degrees above the horizon and is 68.4% illuminated (just past first quarter).
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I dare proposing June 19 or even 20 to keep "1 hour after sunset" and "slim crescent". Simple scribal error. Else it's a show in bright twilight.
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A meteorite hit the moon and formed a cloud of dust that the sun reflected and made it look double?
So, the moon was hit by a meteorite multiple times in the exact same place over a period of time? How many strike does it take before it is no longer a random event and more like a direct attack on a target?
There’s a 50-50 chance that it is 1 billion.
One way to find out the age of the Bruno crater. On a Moon mission, take a core sample or so.
There being a FACE on the Moon is attested to in the First Century Dialog found in Plutarch’s Moralia: “About The Face Which Appears on the Orb Of The Moon”….
The first video on my channel I read out loud this work.. (far too quickly.. IMO..)