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Why your Scotch-Irish ancestors moved so frequently
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- čas přidán 22. 09. 2019
- Do you have ancestors who move frequently but not far? Say, showing up in 1790s Shelby County, Kentucky, then Bullitt County in 1800, then Grayson County in 1810?
There are two factual scenarios at play here. First, your ancestors stayed in place but the map changed. Second, your ancestors really did move a lot. But why did that family move so frequently when another family in your tree stayed put for decades?
At least for Scotch-Irish living in Greater Appalachia--which is where you'll see a lot of this movement--what drove this was culture. And by culture I mean how people lived their lives, from marriage and sex, to how you built your house, to what you cooked. It’s the stuff you learn from your parents and your community about how to survive.
In this video, I'll talk about how the way of life that the Scotch-Irish brought to the colonies helped drive this kind of frequent, micro migrations.
Dear Scots and other Europeans in the comments. We Americans have always said Scotch-Irish. We understand you use terms such as Scot, Ulster Scot, and Planters. However we have used Scotch-Irish since we arrived here. We’re not wrong because we’re descendants living in a different country. We simply have a different culture and do things differently.
I'm American and I use Scots-Irish, but I read lots of British History. Even then, I understand them to be interchangeable terms (Scots-Irish / Scotch-Irish / Ulster Scots).
Just don't call the Scots Guards the "Scotch" Guards, though they may, on occasion, guard the Scotch!
Albion's Seed is an essential resource for those interested in the foundations of America. 900 pages but divided into 4 sections: Puritans, Cavaliers, Quakers and Scots-Irish. This is the first video on the Scots-Irish I have seen where the book is mentioned. It is beautifully written as well.
Does it mention the relationships/marriages between whites and natives during the 1700s and early 1800s?
@@SarV1 Not in any detail but he does summarize those relations on pages 807-808. He mentions he hopes to publish a book on the subject.
Alas, I don't think he is writing anymore.
Great book.
I’m currently listening to the audiobook and I’m loving it. It gives amazing details about what life was like for my ancestors as I’m descended from all 4 people groups(mostly from the cavaliers and Scots-Irish).
Most US genealogists should read this useful, well documented book. Also American Nations.
FYI When I told a Scotsman that I was Scotch- Irish, he very firmly told me “Scotch is a whiskey. I’m a Scot. You would be of Scot-Irish descent.” Just passing this on.
True but only modern times have Scots taken hump to be properly addressed.. as confused with a habit of scotch whiskey drunks.. Modern day stero typing upset them
@@materh7738 Scots-Irish...s
Correct
Tell him he's misinformed. It's a 17th century term. The whiskey came later.
It was Scotch Irish in those days
We have document of a story of our ancestors family moving 3 times- vit- Tenn- and in it they stated their father, with so many daughters, did not want them to marry the surrounding small area, looked for a better place to move them.
My ancestors came from Stirling Castle ❤ I'd never heard of it, so I looked it up and its so beautiful ❤
it was once the capital of scotland its between glasgow and edinburgh and slightly north
Yes my family at Stirling needed many servants and we thank your family for their service 😊
The term Ulster Scots, is the correct one.
Ten thumbs up! Thanks for elaborating on this topic. I've got to find that book. The Scotland > Ireland > Pennsylvania > North Carolina (and then to Tennessee and finally Texas) is the story of some of my lines, particularly Carruths and Craigheads.
There's a briefer description of Scotch-Irish in Colin Woodward's American Nations, fyi.
Fischer's is exceptionally detailed--it'll make you realize how little in common you had with your ancestors. Every time I re-read parts of it, I go a little slack-jawed.
But I also think he retained some academic jargon, even though he tried to make the book accessible to non-academics. So... you might have a couple hiccups adjusting to his language. At least, I did.
That's the same path the Europeans in my ancestry and dna match ancestries took as well.
That's exactly how my family came and thru those areas to Texas. The Craines, Young's and Wrights
Exactly the path my Wilson and Carothers ancestors took, except mine stopped in middle and west Tennessee. I’m wondering whether your Carruths and our Carothers might have been related.
I’ll be looking for _The Monongalia Story_. My 5th greatgrandfather, born in County Tyrone and emigrated to Washington County, Pennsylvania, got land in Monongalia County but was unable to move down into the area until after it was safer from Native American attacks.
This is interesting. Thanks for teaching me more about my ancestors, may they all rest in peace. 🕊
Though my paternal family started out Welsh, they neigbored with, intermarried with, and migrated with the Scots Irish and also shared a strict Presbyterian faith with the Scots Irish. Landing in New Castle they moved quickly into Western Maryland. Because of border disputes between Pennsylvania and Maryland they removed to Pennsylvania. From there they migrated with neighbors and family down the Great Wagon Road through the Shenandoah Valley into the Carolina Piedmont. From there the next generation moved into Tennessee and points west. You got it right. But it wasn't just the Scots Irish moving. It was Welsh, Germans, Scots Irish and who knows whom else.
Yes it was all protestant people of nations of Europe. Russia. Turkey.
Hi from Ulster. I'm from County Down. Thanks for your video, it was very informative. My kin left Scotland, came here to Ulster, decided to try across the great pond and went from Maryland to Pennsylvania, Virginia and North Carolina then ended up back here in N Ireland. Half the family remained so I have plenty of cousins over there in the States. Both of my parents had ancestors who followed this path. Our DNA came back we are from the early settlers which made sense from what we knew. Ours were surveyors, engineers, stone masons and preachers.
This is an eye opener. I'm of Scotts-Irish (Ulster) descent and have moved home 23 times. Always travelled light.
My Scotch-Irish ancestors arriving in the 1700's moved frequently, almost always moving from East to West and North to South... Conversely. my wife's Puritan ancestors remained in the New England area in which they arrived...
Crowe is Irish!
I’m part Scotch-Irish and I moved around quite a bit growing up. I reckon it’s in my blood.
ooohhhh never ever say scotch when you talk about the people always say scot or scots or scotsman scotch is only used in the USA when someone is ordering scottish whisky as a drink even in the UK if someone wants a scotch they would say whisky
@@josephberrie9550 The term scotch has historically been used to refer to somebody of Scottish heritage. Lots of words, phrases, and speech patterns that have died out in the British Isles continue to survive in the US.
From my ancestors, families didn't move in a "community" type of affair. It was much more intimate than that. They moved in a traditional Scottish Clan way. A clan was several different families who had intermarried and were all at least distantly related. For my family it was the Meeks and Hopper families, first found just west of the Virginia "Fall Line," in 1725, in Allen's Creek. Over the next 120 years or so, they moved together until finally reaching the Tiplersville Ms. Area. I returned there from Texas, where my offshoot of the clan had moved in the 1850s or early 1860s, and found the Meeks' and Hoppers still living side by side and intermarrying. After 150 years they welcomed me as a long removed relative, and treated me like family. Moving to a new place back then was a dangerous affair. There was no law or protection, so about the only way to survive was to have a readymade community, able to spring up in only a few weeks with deep trust and strong familial bonds to thrive.
That is roots of ulster orange culture.. It was like neighbourhood protection not that different to isolated parts of us a sos help signal if under attack. Although that gone ethos still there rally to close knit.
Thanks for posting. Your migration description mirrors that of my ancestors from Virginia to West Virginia, to Ohio, Indiana and Illinois between the 1700s and the mid-1850s,
My family was on the run according to my grandmother from Scotland to Ireland to Canada then the USA.
In Roman times the Irish were called Scotti, many of these Irish/ Gaels settled the North western Part of Britain from the 3rd century on wards. The kingdom to which their culture spread became known as Scotia or Scotland, and eventually all its inhabitants came to be known as Scots. So it would have been Ireland to Scotland then back to Ireland then to Canada, then US
@@johnrobdoyle the scotti is a mythical tale. the irish were never called scotti and there was no mythical invasion/incursion from ireland to scotland.
@@brucecollins641 The first use of the word can be found in the Nomina Provinciarum Omnium , which dates to about AD 312. The Romans used Scoti to refer to the Irish, who were beginning to settle in western Scotland, The Irish introduced the Gaelic language, Christianity, etc... and had become the dominant culture in Scotland by medieval times
@@johnrobdoyle lol, before you mis-educate the world on scotlands history and before a post links refutin the irish scotti nonsense, you must first educate the world on your own history. so, explain the mythical origins of the scotti/gaels in ireland. from where/when and how did they get their?
@@johnrobdoyle st columba is a mythical tale copied from an earlier one from another country almost word for word. st ninan beat columba by about a 150 years bringing christianity to scotland. christianity reached ireland from britain. type in...who was queen scotia princess scotia grave and other facts....you will also see where the mythical niall of the nine hostages came from.....
_Albion's Seed_ is the great masterwork on this subject--but I'm happy to see Mike make a mention of Earl Core's _Monongalia Story._ Earl Core was a biologist at West Virginia University, yet he's the one who wrote the definitive history of Monongalia County, WV. When I was a boy scout, Dr. Core would occasionally come to my troop's meetings to give talks about the local plant life.
My mother's line were all Scots-Irish...They moved every generation or so from coastal Georgia inland until they reached Memphis.
Nitrogen is the reason "The grass is greener on the other side."
Has no one mentioned tenancy being the reason they moved often? If you are a tenant farmer its not your decision when a place is sold and you have to move on. Yes my scot-irish ancestor in the highlands of the Appalachians appear on each census in a slightly different location
This is amazing!! It's packed with facts, while being succinct and explained plainly. Thank you very much! My ancestors bunny hopped all over western North Carolina and western South Carolina, as well as all over Clay, Bell and Harlan counties in Kentucky!
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I randomly looked this up as my family has always told me I'm scotch-irish. They came over and STAYED in North Carolina. They're still there. 😅 but I'm in Georgia.
If you were wealthy and influential you stayed put. If you were poor you looked over the next rise or mountain range for something better. Payment for Revolutionary War service came in the form of land grants, usua.lly in unsettled territory. Heck, even the Native Americans got around. In Arkansas some archeologists went looking for a Caddo Village. What they found was a Cherokee village in a time period when that tribe was supposed to be in the East. Folks got around. It was just the times and, if you ask me, a lot of movement was just plain old wonder.ust. it was a big country and what was over the next hill just very well could be even better than where they were at the time.
How interesting, I always considered my dad a vagabond. We moved a lot. Scots Irish with English and a bit of German ancestry.
He had a trade but, he would move in a heartbeat of a job that payed a bit more in another place. This video explains a lot.
I'm of the same heritage. I'll bet our families crossed paths!
Whilst in army had an excuse to keep moving but find it's in dna with us descendants of ulster-Scots. Recently dna test prove vikings never left Scotland. We are all interwoven
My (Irish) dad had to move around the UK with his job. It was their policy to keep staff challenged and so every 3 years there would be a move for all the senior managers. Moving was the norm for me. New places, new schools, new challenges. So it was with my job in IT, that I too, moved with work. Now I live on a canal boat, I am mandated by the canal authority that I have to move at least a mile, every 2 weeks. As it happens, in the last year I moved 418 miles around the network. It's in my blood to keep moving and keep exploring.
Thank you. My great x 10 grandfather, Wm Trindle was the first settler west of the susquehanna, after whom “Trindle Road,” the main thoroughfare from Camp Hill to Carlisle, was named.
The family moved on to western PA in the mid-late 1700s.
It's "Scots-Irish" and it's a term only used by Americans. In Ireland and the U.K, they're referred to a Ulster Scots. It's also not just a term for being of Irish or Scottish descent.
Go raibh mile maith agat. Slan
I heard that the MacFarlane-McFarland Clan originated in Ireland and came to Dal Riata area of Scotland as Escorts/Guards for an Irish Princess. All very confusing because the Irish that went to Scotland were “Scotti”.
Ulster Scots are the biggest peasants in the whole of the UK ... even the Welsh are above them.
@@maracohen5930 no such thing as "irish scotti" the scotti name originated in the gaulish regions of europe(where scottish /gallic came from. macfarlane is scottish originating in aberdeenshire.
@@brucecollins641 my ancestors went from Scotland to Northern Ireland, and then to the Americas around 1686 CE. Ended up in the Berkshire’s of Massachusetts Colony, and from there spread both South and West, and others of their Scots-Irish Relatives followed on through the 1730’s-1740’s. My direct McFarland Ancestor was a Union Officer during the US Civil War, his Mom was a Ludlow from somewhere England. After that War, he went West to kill Lakota. Instead he married one.
The point has been made that Queen Elizabeth, the earlier, referred to the people as Scotch Irish.
Being from Georgia, I have to say we have always referred to them in that way. The language in Appalachia and the music notation is from four or five hundred years ago.
I know the thing now is to say Scots Irish but I would say it may not be correct so far as what was used in the distant past.
There is a movie where the music was recorded on a victrola type machine. It is very similar to ancient ballads from across the pond.
It’s like French Canadians who speak a more ancient type of French.
Sometimes pockets of isolated individuals retain ancient ways.
Even in very small isolated towns in Georgia, you will hear a distinct whisper of old English.
My elderly relatives spoke the Queen’s English and used the British pronunciation, speaking more through the upper part of the mouth and enunciating very clearly.
"Scotch-Irish" referred to the Irish and the Irish in Scotland - that is the Gaels.
@@johnpatrick5307 or is it referring to those ghastly Scottish Planters in the north of Ireland....
@@imastaycool
No - it was used BEFORE the planters - as in the example above.
So, the "Scotch-Irish race" referred to the Gaels.
Any chance to twist things will be taken.
@@johnpatrick5307 see, I don't get that though...
The era of the Gaels was around 150AD and they originally came from Ireland... it was the Gaels, those who spoke Archaic Irish, who went to what is now Scotland and influenced both language and culture.
Scots Gaelic broke off from Archaic Irish at that time.
The Gaels were Irish first and because of their aforementioned influence culturally and linguistically the people of what is now Scotland then all became Scots-Irish?
If the above is true then technically EVERYONE in Scotland is of somewhat Irish origin and could be deemed "Scots-Irish". Are there any true Scottish people then???
Questions:
1. Why don't people of Scotland mostly identify as Scots-Irish then? As far as I know they claim to be Scottish first and then British (or not British at all, depending)
2. If this all goes back to the Gaels then why are "foreigners" who are commenting under this thread only referring to the 1800s around the time of the Genocidal Famine?
It seems as if people are jumping between 150AD to the 1800s like it's no time at all which is baffling. There seems to be confusion amongst people of the Gaels and the Plantations of the 1600s.
To me, the Scottish Planters and those with Irish roots in Scotland are, in fact, Irish Scots as opposed to Scots-Irish.
@@imastaycool
All it is is that the Irish and the Irish in Scotland really formed one kingdom, one culture at one time.
Brian Boru was crowned Emperor of the Scots, including the Scots in Scotland and Wales.
The Irish were called "Scots" until the Middle Ages. The Gallowglass were Irish Scots or "Scotch-Irish".
Very informative. You did a great job packing info and keeping it a length of time easy to invest in. Its one of those things that many channels get away from. I subscribe to a fly fishing channel where his last video is 20 minutes . 20 minutes I dont have for one video. Best of luck and if I find other videos as interesting Ill subs ribe
Heugonots were from all over Europe highly skilled farmers and industrialists. They escaped from religious persecution Europe to uk/Ireland. Under persecution never ended always intermarried.
mainly from france and they came to england in the 16th century after the french huegenot wars which were like the war between the nazis and the polish
Good on you! I am about 70% Scots-Irish and this fits for my family. Genetics and culture are so fascinating. I sought higher education and the degrees therein ONLY so I could, one day, plant vegetables, raise cows, have dogs, chickens and a wood fire.
We move about because we cause bother every where we go🤣🤣🤣
I'm thinking this was my ancestors reasoning 😂
They seemed like trouble EVERYWHERE they went 🧐😏
Cleary is Irish.
@@sw3783
But you're claiming they have nothing to do with the Irish.
This guy should know that he is actually Irish!
@@johnpatrick5307 Could be on his mom's side. Stop being stupid
Thank U soo much 4 Ur post. I’ve been looking for my “ Scott-Irish part of me but not so much on the mix. I really don’t even know for sure if it’s part of me or is it just stories we’ve been told over many generations. Great info and super presentation.
Scots-Irish from North Carolina.
Moving a lot certainly describes my Irish family…. In my 65years I’ve moved over 30 times
celtic israelite. the so-called scots irish were not irish they scots who were forced to live in ireland for a short time then they would have moved to amerikay.
Scotland went to Ireland then to Virginia that turned to WV lol
I think I might be related to joseph condit McCune and I'm related to Peter McCune who was in the revolutionary war
No, the Scottish Planters INVADED Ireland. Big difference.
Well and truly is accurate🤣 my family started in Ireland moved to Scotland in the dark ages with the Scotti clan, moved back to Ireland Co.Donegal during the Ulster Plantation, Partition of Ireland happened in 1921 so to stay British my great grandad moved to Co. Tyrone then moved to a different area in Tyrone which we been for the last 63 years. Though my granda now lives 9 miles from his home which we live in, his 2 sisters lives 3 miles from us (one of his sisters daughter lives in the USA), his only living brother in Canada, his other 2 brothers lived in England but 1 was to go to Nigeria but a motorbike crash sadly ended that. I've a feeling my eldest brother will move to either Fermanagh or towards Belfast (split by Antrim and Down) .
A lot of moving amongst my family this past 100 years especially.
Nigeria eh? We're probably related.
Thank you for this!
I understand this perfectly,my own family has gone as far west as possible,next stop China.New lands to settle would be impossible to resist.Probably bred in the bone.
Old family rumour that we are related to General Huston.
Ahaha this is so me 65+ scot lol
I have a question: why are Scot British people called Scot Irish I stead of Scottish or Irish? Or half Scottish half Irish? Also Ty for this video, I am curious about the Scot Irish people and culture and this video was awesome :)
They're referred to as Ulster Scots....and it was to distinguish themselves from the native Irish Catholics
Appa-LATCH-uh, not Appa-Lay-chuh.
Depends on which side of the Mason Dixon line you’re on.
Seems to me far fetched to devour the ancient detritus of Pennsylvania forest. I don't understand how small kitchen garden could devour nitrogen in 10 yrs even
Right. That's exactly it. Nitrogen replacement in the soil wasn't the driving factor. It was culture: Ulster Scots were more shepherds than farmers, and moving around was part of that culture.
Brothers and sisters, I'd like you to stop calling yourself 'Scotch' though. I don't know who came up with that term years ago, but it's wrong. Very informative and helpful video. I've learned a lot of things here that I didn't previously know.
They aren`t Gaelic Irish that`s all i know from the Irish side mate
Its actually not true at all - most of these "Scots Irish" were actually Irish, from the north and the south.
@@johnpatrick5307 Catholic or Protestants mate?
@@johnpatrick5307 When they went to your country all of Ireland was controlled by the English so more Protestants lived in the South.The Irish Catholics mainly moved to places like New York and Boston after the famine
Of course your Gaelic, mate.
@@waynemcauliffe2362
They went to America from all over Ireland - and many from the north were Irish as well.
Washingtons army celebrated St Patricks Day.
Do you think thats why they had the
Do you think that's why that had the potatoe famine
@@michaelmuldrow1421 Irish (Roman Catholic) inheritance laws divided property equally between children whereas English inheritance law favoured Primogeniture (Eldest son inherits the land). Irish farmer with 10 acres dies and its split between maybe 5 surviving children 2 acres each. They work hard but only get up to say 5 acres each on death then their land is split again. Now you have a plot of maybe one acre which can really only support your family if you grow potatoes. Blight arrives and your crop fails. No food No work and a Government that viewed the Irish as feckless. I think you can see where I am heading. The equivalent English family where the eldest son inherited all 10 acres has maybe grown it to 20 by his death and his son to maybe 40 acres is now moving to the middle classes. English families used to work on the principle of Eldest son gets the land 2nd son goes to the Army if they can afford the Commission or the Navy if not and the 3rd son would go into the Anglican Church.
A fine video, my friend, but it's Scots not Scotch.
How would you explain a Mexican having scott/Irish DNA in his ancestry.
Depends on the time period of the crossing
Well, my moms side; supposedly my great great great grandma was found in a cave hiding by soldiers in Guanajuato, Mexico . My mom side are light skinned. My dad's side is black and Native American looking.
Butch Cassidy?
What is Scots Irish DNA?
Texas
That explains why we took America
Scotch is a drink, Scots are people.
stop repeating this drivel. it's a 17th century term. the whiskey came later.
@@scarlett2299 No. We're not going to stop repeating it. Because when you call yourself Scotch you sound like a muppet. It's stupid.
ULSTER SCOT.
Hey there. lots of interesting things here. Just one little niggle, in general using 'Scotch' to talk about a people is generally seen annoying and sometimes offensive to Scottish people, generally 'Scotch' is considered a product like whisky and people are Scottish or Scots but never Scotch
I get this a lot. This video has nothing to do with people from Scotland today. This video is about a group of people that self-identified as Irish during the Colonial period through the Revolution. Their descendants started calling themselves Scotch-Irish during the Great Hunger--they didn't want to be associated with Famine Irish like my ancestors. Historians in the United States have settled on calling the group by the name they chose: Scotch-Irish, and I am following that convention. There's more about that group here on wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans. Here's a more in-depth bit: www.americanheritage.com/scotch-irish. Now, if I do a video on this particular ethno-cultural group again, I'll probably use the term Ulster Scots. But I think it's just as problematic to say that I'm being offensive when I'm calling this ethno-cultural group--which doesn't really exist anymore--by the name they chose for themselves.
@@mikeoneill-us Hey thank you for getting back to me. That is interesting. I guess its why a lot of Americans call us 'Scotch' It sounds really off to my ear as its only generally used by people insulting us. I cant speak for what the Irish would think of Ulster Scots, to my understanding that is the term that linguist use for the dialect but there are lots of terms used for people from Northern Ireland that are offensive to at least one group
@@PamDuthie I suspect that most Americans using the term are just not current with the times (like, over a century past the times). I wouldn't use the term for anyone from Scotland (I once let slip the word "English" to a Scotsman friend when he and I were deep into a bottle of whiskey, and he let me have it!).
I just stumbled on this: www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/09/scot-scotch-scottish.html. From that article, when the U.S. was founded, Scots, Scottish, Scottis, Scotch, etc. were used somewhat interchangeably, and that fuzziness probably persisted over here. I've learned studying colonial U.S. history that one of the oddities of language is how North American accents and dialects that died out in Europe stayed around. Sort of like Quebecois has all sorts of anachronistic words/structures that date to the French spoken in 1600s in the NW (Bretagne, Anjou, etc.) because that's who settled Quebec; or how a now dead R-less accent/dialect from SW England lives on in the southeastern U.S.
Anyway, it's worth noting that the U.S. largely won it's independence because those Ulster Scots volunteered to fight more than any other group, and that is covered in elementary-school U.S. history. Show any American an image like this one -- cfsna.net/wp-content/uploads/Scots-IrishColonialSoldierrs.jpeg -- and they know it's a "backcountry" Scots-Irish riflemen who fought the English. The label is almost a patriotic thing--if you have any Ulster Scots ancestors, you can almost guarantee someone served in the Revolution. So we learn the term as it existed in our history 150+ years ago, and Scotch is a strong, patriotic positive in our minds, even if it's tone-deaf to the Scots today.
@@mikeoneill-us Yes its true Ive been looking into language things and its so funny how English in the US has actually kept more old words while what we say over here has changed faster, and now we are taking on some Americanisms, which I guess is getting our old words back again :D
I was going to bring accents/dialects into this as well.. Im from the deep south USA, my family has been here since since 16 and 1700s and my pronunciation of Scots and Scotch is almost the same thing, especially if I'm not using the word "Scots" as a "one word answer".
Its neat, I've noticed in many documents from the 17 and 1800s, before there was standardized spelling, people just spelled how it sounded, so different accents would create different words/names.
Ie. I have a 6x great grandfather named Alexander who died in his mid 20s in 1824, in documents I have found it spelled Elexander and Alexander. There were grandchildren named Alexander after him, but one carried the nick name Ellie, so the enunciation played a huge role.
His family came out of Virginia into NC in the early/mid 1700s, worked their way down through NC and into Georgia in the late 1700/early 1800s, his children being 1st generation Georgians (USA), so a huge mixture of people in a new land.
The name spilled over into the late 1800s-early 1900s with great great grandchildren and carried the enunciation AL-exander, just interesting to see which enunciation stuck.
scotch is a drink and the scots are a people
Thanks for the feedback, Faith. This video is about an historical ethnic group, which self-identified as Scotch-Irish. You can learn more about this group on wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans.
Scotch is a drink Scots or Scottish is the correct term.
hey Jacques! In reference to Scotland and the Scots, you are correct. With respect to the United States, especially tbe Colonial period, you are wrong.
@@mikeoneill-us I didn’t comment on Colonial US, I commented on the common mistake that a lot of Americans make in the correct cultural names of people’s and places. Seriously the rest of the English speaking countries think you are idiots when you do that.
Get it right fella. It's Scots not Scotch when refering to people.
Sometimes I just get a wee dram on the brain.
Oh, worth posting this as well: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans. There's a historical usage of the term related to britain's North American colonies.
Scotch is such an insult to a Scot.
Lots of comments similar to this down in the thread. Short version: I hear you, and this isn't intended as an insult, and in future videos, I plan to follow Hackett-Fischer's use of the term "Backcountry" to refer to the culture, rather than this term that is widely used when discussing American history. That said, this isn't about Scotland, it's about a distinct culture from the colonial US amalgamated from four different ethnic groups (Scots, Irish, English & German) that built/shared a frontier culture in Appalachian mountain regions, and whose descendants still retain some of those cultural ideals. During the colonial period, some of this group would self-describe using that term, while some whom objected to it (actually use the -tch end while objecting to being called "eerish.") Usage diverged over time, with the Americas using both the -tch and -ts ending while the UK did not, with the term eventually evolving to an insult in Scotland in the past century, while it did not in the U.S.--there are communities in the U.S. who proudly describe their heritage using this term. In his podcast, Lexicon Valley, John McWhorter talks about both of these phenomenons--negative accretion, which is what happened to the term Scotch in Scotland, and language drift, which happened between the US and UK.
Should be Scots-Irish. Not scotch-Irish. Unless you’re talking about an Irish person tanked up on scotch.
I may occasionally resemble that comment! And that may contribute subconsciously to my mispronounciation.
Also. Take a glance at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans
It's Factually Ulster-Scots, No Irish word in it
Scotch is a drink ffs 🤦🏻♂️
Please review en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans. You are confusing your nationalism with an historical name for an immigrant community in colonial british North America.
That dreadful background music is really off-putting.
Or you could write "you might want to reconsider the background music? I like the content but I found the music a bit distracting." Remember to practice kindness every day!
And what is a Scot? The Scots were originally a Tribe of Gaelic Irish speaking people of Ireland who invaded the northern part of Britain, defeated the Britons, fought the Picts for a couple of centuries and finally merged with them, and thus "Scotland" was created. So you all are Irish, sort of. Sorry!
Scot is latin for Irish
Scotia
Scots Gaelic is known as Erse Phonetic for Irish
Whiskey is Irish even the very word.
What you think you know about Scotland is more a Hanoverian Victorian invention including the BS family kilts.
Scotch is not used to refer to people it is used to refer to an object that is Scottish. It is insulting to refer to Scottish people as Scotch. Please refrain from using this term. You can say Scottish but not Scotch. Scotch whisky, Scotch broth or Scotch tape! Scottish people please! If you refuse to use these terms appropriately in Scotland, or anywhere else in Britain, you will be insulting people, some of whom may be your distant DNA relatives! It's all about respecting what Scottish people themselves find acceptable.
there's no reference to people from Scotland in this video. believe it or not, the ethnic group from the 1700s discussed in this video were of Irish, English and German extraction
Scots-Irish?? These are two distinct and different nationalities for crying out loud...
Those born on the island of Ireland whether north or south are Irish!
You seem to be referring to the Scottish Planters who arrived in the 1600s to intentionally colonise Ireland and were sent by the English to do this. These people are nothing to celebrate at all.... they actively discriminate against catholics, blacks, gays, etc and burned flags and march the streets to cause intimidation.
These same white Protestant Scottish Planters also reformed the KKK in America where they also discriminated against catholics, blacks, gays and anyone different, and they burned crosses and marched to cause intimidation.
So, either proclaim to be a descendant of Scotland or of Ireland, but the term Scots-Irish is just manufactured on the back of discrimination and intimidation of minorities.
You should try to practice kindness every day! You're failing badly here, but the best way to learn is from failure! (I'm sure the little dopamine surge from showing contempt to a stranger was nice in the moment, though. Go you!)
You're defining this cultural group through your eyes today, rather than through their own 200+ years ago. You are denying a group their identity, which... is actively discriminating against them. Pot... meet kettle.
Yes, the Colonial Backcountry ethnic group has roots with Scottish Planters, though the culture in the U.S. had more ethno-national-religious groups, including Orange Irish, Protestant Germans, Presbyterian English, and some Irish Catholics too. And yes, that group discriminated against a bunch of other groups. But you know, your list covers most of the groups that my Irish Catholic grandmother despised. Except for Catholics of course, she liked them, obviously. Your list missed the Italians and Jews that she hated, though. Oh, and my wife's protestant ancestors despised the Scots-Irish and Irish Catholics and Italians.
Lot of despising going on. In fact, defining an "other" and hating it to the point of enslaving or killing it really is a universal human trait. Pick a period in history, pick a self-identifying group, you'll find the "others" that group tried to enslave/kill.
So... you didn't actually watch the video, did you. You just went off on a rant.
@@five-minutegenealogy1119 dude, I don't need you to tell me how to live my life - acting all sanctimonious doesn't suit anyone so learn to be less intolerant of opinions that differ from yours, perhaps.
I stand by what I said and history speaks for itself. Your claim to being "Scots-Irish" has blood on it and your refusal to acknowledge that makes you small-minded. We must be open to accepting the good and bad parts of our history.
Accept yours.
Take care 🙂
@@imastaycool oh I'm just trying to get under your skin--nasty folks need nasty taunts right back. Mission accomplished!
@@imastaycool And I do not need either of you speaking as to things you know little to naught about.
By all means, y'all just come right on and climb MY hill; I'll teach you how to feel close to God
'Sent by the English', hahha, James I of England was Scottish. And the Irish colonised Scotland first, so lay off the nationalist self-pity.
Please Dude, it's Scots-Irish not Scotch-Irish. Scotch is used for things like whiskey and not ppl. That's rude.
I think about Scotland and then the Scots and then I imagine a taste of peaty goodness and then I'm saying the wrong thing.
@@five-minutegenealogy1119 after a few whiskeys I'm pretty sure I've pronounced it Scosh-Iritch, myself.
It's Scots! Not Scotch.
never ever call a scotsman or scots irish scotch.............never............scotch is a drink of whisky and nothing to do with the people s heritage
I'm not. And this cultural group I'm referring to in this video? They were American only, with most of the ethnic mix being Irish protestants (mainly Presbyterians), English from around the border with Scotland and Palatine Germans. People born in Scotland... not that many.