Why I left the Adventist Church………Finding Christ after Ellen White
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- My journey out of the seventh day Adventist church.
How I left the Adventist church
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Going through what she went through currently, felling like the church has a lot of judgement and toxicity.l go to church and come back feeling so horrible and it’s not the way l want to feel but l would remain in the church and focus on Christ at the cross for it’s not about church members behavior and l don’t go for them, this keeps me going 🙏🏻
I went through something similar. I just left the church for good last month and I’m now at a church that is gospel focused and it’s been such a blessed. I prayed and asked God to lead me to a church where His presence was because like you each time I attended the SDA church I’d leave feeling drained and discouraged.
I’m still struggling with some mental barriers I picked up from the church but each day I’m becoming more and more empowered by 1. Gods love, 2. Gods word. I only study one book and that’s the Bible.
Sister , repent and get back to SDA, before it will be to late to say sorry to God. Because your testimony can't convince me. This is the only church will proclaim the truth. I believe that.
Revelation 1:1 (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
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The Three Angels' Message, found in Revelation 14 says:
Revelation 14:6-7 (KJV) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Second Angel's Message of Revelation 14:
Revelation 14:6 (KJV) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
The Third Angel's Message of Revelation 14:
Revelation 14:9-12 (KJV) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
As I keep listening to young people who have shared their testimony on why they left, it becomes clear as in this one that, they didn't learn enough to understand the practices in Adventism. Most people are only encouraged to attending the SDA Church because of say: music, friends, pathfinder, diet etc and not the spiritual understanding of the teachings and practices from the Bible. And since there are many people like her in the church, I personally expect many to leave because of their shaky foundation.
If someone attends the SDA church and does not learn seriously, the probability of questioning things and later leaving is very high.
My heart goes out to all such people
Why, because they want to grow spiritually and have a deeper relationship with their maker? If one can’t question what they believe and find the truth in the church, God is working in them. Or continue on as is, we all know Who the final judge is. I just pray that God shows me each and every day what is right from wrong and truth from lies. The more one accepts and acts upon the more will be revealed. We need Him to guide, not man.
Well said.
These things must take place so that prophecy may be fulfilled, the time of the shaking is happening now.
We shall come rejoicing bringing in the sheaves 🎶
People study and find that adventist is a lie
@@debbiekaebirge-coitan1372 Self deception at its height. Study to show urself approved of God please.
This will go over the heads of a lot of people and that’s okay, spiritual things are spiritually discerned. Ignore the negative comments. Your relationship with Jesus is what’s most important. Thank you for sharing your experience 🙏🏾❤️
Right and Adventists are not Christian and because they are not Christian they will not understand:
1Co 2:14 ESV The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
The word of GOD is enough , the Holy Spirit will make you understand.
Amen to that.
GOD is not a man that he should lie,not a man that he should repent.. Numbers 23:19 GOD will stand by His word no GOD beside HIM......
@@KaliAviko And God's Word says "But the seventh -day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God", which is not a lie and will never be a lie.
@@iumaiiumai5402You worship a day above the true God Yahweh. Goodluck.
@@DaciaVR Your answer is contradicting itself. I'm sure you'll agree with "thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not commit adultery", etc .
Now is it a godly reason or a selfish reason for anyone to disagree with the fourth commandment, whilst honouring the other nine?
I feel sorry for you girly, I grew up in a Sunday keeping church where my father was a pastor, but I’m happy and fortunate being an Adventist. When I joined adventism I studied both the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy by Ellen White and I believe. May God be with you as you are traveling life’s journey in your new faith.
You are now a member of a biblically deficient religion. Members of a church that is cursed 3 times by the bible, teaches doctrines of anti-Christ, Teaches doctrines of demons and whose Spirit of Prophecy is an abomination to God is not a Christian Church. No, those who associate and believe in this church are destined to be eternally separated from Christ (Matthew 7:21-23).
The Seventh-day Adventist church is a wretched and cursed church due to its doctrines and its chief Seer. The SDA church is cursed for its false gospel (Gal. 1:6-9), cursed for its reliance on the law (Rev. 14:12) being command keepers (Gal. 3:10), teachings of anti-Christ because it denies the one final atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), a church with a founder which God declared abominable (Deut. 18:11-12) for necromancy and a church that teaches doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1-4) forbidding marriage and askance from foods.
Sister, I love being an SDA. We have a community of imperfect individuals under the abundant grace of God. Sinners that are forgiven...changed by the love of Christ.
Why should anybody be SDA ??
@@s_hrndz0119exactly, thank you. All we need for salvation is the FINISHED work of Jesus that. He accomplished for us
Juvyalama, you need to be saved by the FINISHED work of Jesus that he accomplished for us
If you stopped keeping the Sabbath, would you be forgiven? Do you agree with Ellen White, that your sins are kept on record, and if you don't keep the Sabbath, they will be charged against you and you will not be forgiven?
@@toddott633 sda lost the plot
It funny how people are leaving and entering different churches left right and center. I was not born Adventist and no Adventist preached me into the church. I was seeking God and His truth, and He led me to the Adventist church, not because of the people there but because He had a message for me there, I have studied the Bible with amazing friends and the peace that lives within my heart and the love of God that led me this far is the only thing that will ever keep me in this church.
Trust me I looked into a lot of denominations and non is perfect including the Adventist church because all churches are run and managed by human beings who are not perfect but loved by a perfect God. For me it has never been about what the other person’s relationship is with God but more about my relationship with God and how I can be the light 💡 that God wants me to be in someone’s life journey.
About Ellen White: of course there is a lot of things to question, the same way any other book that has ever been written including the Bible has to be questioned in order to be understood and we will not always agree with everything that has ever been said or written. I have followed the health message and the benefits have been tremendous, to that extent I agree with the health message because whether we claim that it’s not biblical, in my life experience it has worked and that is all that matters for me (choose what works for you, because you can not embrace everything and everyone in this short life). About her writings, I would say in every church there are people who have written books and this will not stop until humanity ceases to exist. People still write books to explain some bible verses and themes, why don’t we question the necessity of that too? I don’t see anything wrong In Ellen White or anyone else writing books to explain their beliefs and understand about the Bible, the same way I don’t mind listening to anyone talking about their understanding or believe in the Bible, and people choosing to believe what ever they are convinced to be truth whether as individuals or a corporate body.
I am a very open minded Adventist and I don’t believe blindly, I question a lot of things including trying to understand the people that claim that the Adventist church is full of lies. Most of the people I have listened do have left the church is because of church members who are very legalistic and Ellen White issues. I’m here because of the God of the Sabbath and because I want to love and worship my God in the way that He wants to be loved (“ If you love me keep my commandments”). All I am saying is hold on to what you are convinced to be truth. For some of us, Adventism has helped us know God better and have a personal relationship. I’m not looking for perfection in anyone’s or any church because I know we are all struggling and we all desperately need the Lord.
Cynthia. Cynthia. All I can say is
Thank you. You've provided some level of comfort to me as I too wondered why God led me to the Seventh-day Adventist church. I was reading the bible when I realized the 7th day Sabbath kept jumping out at me. I then God asked if it was still binding today and thats when I was approached by Adventists! The rest is history. He knows I love truth. I'm not sure why He led me there but I went. I'm getting baptized November 19 2022.
@@kellyfierce3540 Amen sis! what a good news. When you find the light everything else is history. You will see that your spiritual life will be more clear. You will feel the Holy Spirit in every aspect of your journey it's just wonderful. I am happy for you. Praised the Lord! 🙏🏼🙌🏼
@@kellyfierce3540 Amen 🙏🏾, we thank the Lord for His guidance. If you focus on the Lord all the other distractions will fade away and you will experience the peace and Love of God in the most possible human experience. I’m happy you have decided to get baptized ❤️❤️
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@AcademyApologia that's completely false. I've read the 28 fundamentals, there's nothing wrong with them....
I became a seventh day Adventist in 2017, I was in another protestant church. God thought me about keeping his real sabbath holy which led me to this church. I do believe seventh adventist church is a remnant church with the whole present truth from the Bible, I pray that God be with u and guide you through his word.❤
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@AcademyApologia You are saying Three Angels' Message is not in the Bible; do you read the Bible? It is found in the book of Revelation. Go and look up the verse. Revelation is book in the Bible how than could you say Three Angels' Message is false gospel when you are saying Bible is the truth? My friend read the Bible reverently, prayerfully, and without bias.
@@iumaiiumai5402 The specific gospel messages of these three angels are not in Revelation 14. Below are some of the messages of these 3 angels sourced from the 28 Beliefs book and the Discipleship Handbook:
*3 angels gospel messages*
*1st angel* -Fear God, worship the Creator, Hour of His judgment has arrived, attention to the 4th commandment, message against Darwinism, Restoration of God’s Holy Law
*2nd angel* -Babylon are apostate religions, Heretical teachings, Babylon falls because she rejects the 1st angels message, Many Protestants have departed from the great Bible truths of the Reformation,
*3rd angel* -True and False worship, the true and false gospel, Reject the Sabbath and choose to worship on Sunday, with the full knowledge of it is not God’s appointed day or worship, will receive the Mark of the Beast.
For example, where in the Bible can I find as the gospel message for Christians to warn people of the false message of evolution popularized by Charles Darwin as the Adventist first angel did in his gospel message?
@@AcademyApologiaas an SDA, I find your belief highly entertaining!
@@iumaiiumai5402 The specific gospel messages of these three angels are not in Revelation 14. Below are some of the messages of these 3 angels sourced from the 28 Beliefs book and the Discipleship Handbook:
*3 angels gospel messages*
*1st angel* -Fear God, worship the Creator, Hour of His judgment has arrived, attention to the 4th commandment, message against Darwinism, Restoration of God’s Holy Law
*2nd angel* -Babylon are apostate religions, Heretical teachings, Babylon falls because she rejects the 1st angels message, Many Protestants have departed from the great Bible truths of the Reformation,
*3rd angel* -True and False worship, the true and false gospel, Reject the Sabbath and choose to worship on Sunday, with the full knowledge of it is not God’s appointed day or worship, will receive the Mark of the Beast.
For example, where in the Bible can I find as the gospel message for Christians to warn people of the false message of evolution popularized by Charles Darwin as the Adventist first angel did in his gospel message?
This is truly a heartwarming story! I'm happy that you decided to make it public, despite and inspite of any backlash from your former church members. While listening, I found myself nodding in agreement, saying "Ohh and Ummm,"out loud! 😃
I have never been Adventist - but I have read similar stories, listened to similar testimonies. I have friends who are Adventists and never questioned their choice, though Adventism never appealed to me. There was a time when I felt guilty worshipping on a Sunday so I started reading the Bible, in earnest, to understand it and find out for myself whether I had to "keep the Sabbath" which my Adventist friend told me I should. Anyway, it was when we started discussing Scripture and having opposite views - I couldn't understand why, for we read the same Bible - and having heard the name EGW'S connection to Adventism, I started reading bits and pieces of her writings. It was then I understood why my friend and I couldn't agree!
You have done well in questioning doctrines that didn't make sense to you and then going ahead to find out the truth for yourself! I applaud you, my sister! May God bless you and your family as you continue your journey with Him. Best Wishes 🙏🏾
You need to read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. You will find out all the description of God's true Church is the SDA church .The Bible doesn't mention the name SDA, but the quality and character of the true Church of God described in the Holy Bible matches well perfectly the SDA church. My friend don't be a superficial Christian, church -gower whatever. Read the Word for yourself.
Oh my word thank you for making this video I can relate so much to what your saying.
Man, I felt like no one understood. I felt like I was the only one, this was very brave and helpful. I realized I couldn't be SDA over 10 years ago and have felt alone ever since. Thank you.
Fantastic and I am delighted to read you too are no longer an Adventist
I was not born Adventist,but I came into the Adventist church in 2015 and have not regretted it, it's a wonderful journey and I have grown spiritually and I am not worshiping a building,or a pastor,or people,it's about true worship and reverence for God!May God continue to enlighten you and may you continue to grow and find your purpose in life
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Hi good day sorry to hear you have left the Adventists church I was not born in it but I am loving it I have taken your place
You can my place as well.
You ask not to be rude however reading the comments many ppl are celebrating that you left the truth...however I pray like the prodigal son you will return home and you will find we are here waiting for you
@@shellyannrose440 Jesus is the truth, the light and the way, not Ellen White.
@@tonymuse no body said she was however the Bible is truth
@Esin Esin 1 John 2:19. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us.
This passage deals with those who deny Father and Son. John called them "antichrists" which means those who oppose Christ. This woman has not left Christ, but the SDA church. Please do not quote scripture out of context.
Amen, Sister. 🙏🏿. We praise the Lord. May God bless you.
Because the SDA church proclaims the truth, it will hurt others (like you) but it doesn't matter because truth is truth and many people leave SDA church simply because the doctrines, and the way SDA church runs, has no place for their evil motives. SDA church is the ark today, just as there was only one ark in the Flood. Those outside the ark perished in the Flood, because anyone outside the ark was a rebel to the Creator. Today is the same. Remember, you are not in the Ark because the ark saves you, but because you are saved (i .e., you accepted Jesus truly). Thus, it is clear those who walk out of the true Church of God did not fully accept God.
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It's not about a particular church. Church does not save. The activities that churches practices do not save.
It's a bout been regenerated and transformed by the Holy Sprit (To be born again) One has to be born again which is a personal encounter of Jesus Christ, convictions and your condition as a sinner.
Jesus said unless one is born again not unless one belongs to a certain denomination. When you stand before God, the church people won't be there.
John 3:5"5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
When you are born again, The Holy Spirit will indwell in you
Romans 8:9" But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."
In you read Revelation chapter 2-3, you will find letters written to (the angel of each church) different churches in the first century. Four out of six churches had weakness and sins. SAD has more than 97,000 churches globally. Are all these churches preaching the truth for salvation of souls?
Only the one who does the will of my Father will enter the kingdom of heaven, not a certain church.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Verse 23 "And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Jesus has to know you not the other way around. And only a person whom you are in a relationship with will know you. If one is not in a relationship with Christ through the Holy Spirit but depends on what the church teaches is blind. I am not saying that you are blind, but only those Jesus knows are saved and not the church goers.
The one who establishes and anoint his children and He gives them the Spirit as a guarantee ( Proof, evidence as a deposit that we are His walking in His salvation through the gospel and not the Church)
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Very refreshing to hear about your journey!
A non adventist secular scholar researched her works and found that there 0% of her work was plagiarized and not only that, the few times she did use thoughts or quotes from other writers culminate to about 2% of her total writings. That claim you heard or read from whoever is false.
www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/plagiarist.pdf This is the link to the scholars research.
I grow weary teaching Adventists about Adventism , but here goes. In the late 1980's the General Conference commissioned a faithful Adventist to determine the plagiarism of Ellen White's writings. The results were published in a summary manner in The Ministry Magazine of October 1990. And the their Ellen White was exposed. Here are a few select quotes from the Ministry Magazine:
“Of the 15 chapters' 2,624 sentence units, we found 823 (31 percent) to be in some degree clearly dependent upon material appearing in our 500-plus literary sources.”
Veltman, Fred. “The Desire of the Ages project; the data” Ministry. October 1990, p. 6
“As we carefully studied the nature and degree of literary dependency of these early materials, which included Ellen White's personal journals, it became very clear to us that it was Ellen White herself who was copying from the sources.”
Veltman, Fred. “The Desire of the Ages project; the data” Ministry. October 1990, p. 6
“The content of Ellen White's commentary on the life and ministry of Christ, The Desire of Ages, is for the most part derived rather than original.”
Veltman, Fred. “The Desire of the Ages project; the conclusions” Ministry. December 1990, p. 12
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Quote from Ministry Magazine:
After eight years of study, Dr. Veltman calculated that only 31 percent of the sentences in The Desire of Ages contained any “verbal similarity” to other works and that the average level of literary dependency of these was slightly above “loose paraphrase.” His considered opinion was that Ellen White had not plagiarized. He wrote the following: “A writer can only be legitimately charged with plagiarism when that writer’s literary methods contravene the established practices of the general community of writers producing works of the same literary genre within a comparable cultural context. In the process of doing our research we found that Ellen White’s sources had previously used each other in the same way that she later used them. At times the parallels between the sources were so strong that we had difficulty deciding which one Ellen White was using.”
Here’s the link for the full article. 31% of one of her books is a very small percentage of her entire writings. The critics who accused her even used common biblical passage as “evidence” and she did the exact same things the other authors were doing with each other. Your argument is disingenuous. She did not plagiarize a single per the rules of her day and did what everyone else was doing to establish rhetorical foundation for the points she made through inspiration in her writings.
www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2007/12/was-ellen-white-a-plagiarist.html#note1
Instead of spending your time trying to justify your greviences, read your Bible you just might pass the milk stage and go on to eat the real meat 🍖 😅
@@AcademyApologia Here is a quote from Ministry Magazine on this same topic.
After eight years of study, Dr. Veltman calculated that only 31 percent of the sentences in The Desire of Ages contained any “verbal similarity” to other works and that the average level of literary dependency of these was slightly above “loose paraphrase.”His considered opinion was that Ellen White had not plagiarized. He wrote the following: “A writer can only be legitimately charged with plagiarism when that writer’s literary methods contravene the established practices of the general community of writers producing works of the same literary genre within a comparable cultural context. In the process of doing our research we found that Ellen White’s sources had previously used each other in the same way that she later used them. At times the parallels between the sources were so strong that we had difficulty deciding which one Ellen White was using.”
I am i very proud seventh day adventist❤❤
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
I baptize in a sda church and be in there for a while i left most of them just worship the day not god am at a church where i worship god praise clap sing i am at the right place now
@@jasminemurry6783 And that is very good news. Seventh-day Adventists are not Christian and you need to find a good Christian chruch
@@AcademyApologia Revelation 1:1 states "The revelation of Jesus Christ... " The verse in Galatians is not referring to the book Revelation, nor to any book in the Old and New Testaments. It is referring to false gospel such as: secret rapture, infant baptism, triune baptism, sprinkle baptism and other practices not found in the entire Bible. Adventist baptize as Jesus did, uphold all of the Bible not neglecting one part. Most (if not all) churches do away with the book of Revelation. SDA is God' s true church.
@@iumaiiumai5402 Oh really? Galatians is referring to the "false gospel such as: secret rapture, infant baptism, triune baptism, sprinkle baptism" Did you just make this up? Where is all this defined in the bible? Those verses are: ___________
Wow this was really good I watched it from beginning to end great Job 👏🏿 expressing yourself ❤
God bless you Tino... you have made a right decision...
God bless you for being brave enough to have an open mind and heart. One should never think they know it all and close their mind to God's truth. What is the purpose? We should always be learning.
Praise the Lord that you dared to question. God Bless you on the "ever learning" journey as God unfolds truth to you. ❤
I was born in catholic, joined SDA when I was 20 and I'm loving it ❤❤
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@AcademyApologia The three angels message is found in the Bible. It’s right there in Revelation. The Galatians verse doesn’t contradict the three Angels and their messages in Revelation.
@@jwesKeys The specific gospel messages of these three angels are not in Revelation 14. Below are some of the messages of these 3 angels sourced from the 28 Beliefs book and the Discipleship Handbook:
*3 angels gospel messages*
*1st angel* -Fear God, worship the Creator, Hour of His judgment has arrived, attention to the 4th commandment, message against Darwinism, Restoration of God’s Holy Law
*2nd angel* -Babylon are apostate religions, Heretical teachings, Babylon falls because she rejects the 1st angels message, Many Protestants have departed from the great Bible truths of the Reformation,
*3rd angel* -True and False worship, the true and false gospel, Reject the Sabbath and choose to worship on Sunday, with the full knowledge of it is not God’s appointed day or worship, will receive the Mark of the Beast.
For example, where in the Bible can I find as the gospel message for Christians to warn people of the false message of evolution popularized by Charles Darwin as the Adventist first angel did in his gospel message?
@@AcademyApologia which of the 28 fundamental beliefs are you referring to here?
@@jwesKeys Let's continue with the Adventist 3 Angels Gospel which is belief #13 on pages 196-201. You stated the 3 angels gospel is in the bible and I am still waiting for a reply where the messages of the 3 Adventist gospel angels can be found in the bible, as asked above.
Welcome to freedom in Christ🙏🏾
Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
II Corinthians 3:17
Amen!
Amen
Freedom in Christ doesn't mean the Ten Commandments are not binding. Freedom in Christ is actually not an easy road. Don't expect rosy road when you are following Jesus. If anyone is Christ's disciple, let him deny himself and carry his cross and follow Jesus.
@@iumaiiumai5402 There is no bible verse commanding *Christian Sabbath Keeping,* nor a bible verse detailing the penalty for *Christian Sabbath breaking.* I can find commands for *Jewish* Sabbath Keeping (Ex. 31:13) and penalties for *Jewish* Sabbath breaking (Ex. 31:14). You keep a Sabbath when the bible nowhere commands the keeping of a *Christian* Sabbath. This comment makes two simple points and demands only to be replied to with two bible verses:
Bible Verse Commanding *Christian* Sabbath Keeping is: ___________
Bible Verse Demanding Penalty for *Christian* Sabbath Breaking is: ____________
@@AcademyApologia My friend you know very well that the Decalogue lasts from eternity to eternity; it neither belongs to the Jews, nor Gentiles or Adventists. It belongs to God. Stop willfully denying the existence of the fourth commandment whilst affirming the other nine.
My sister, what you have gone through and are going through is not unique to the SDA church. I am a Christian who came to the Adventist faith from Methodist. The church like the others I have known is not a perfect place but a place where sinners congregate. I pray you journey with Christ leads you a close walk with him. The thumbnail used in this post seem to indicate a misunderstanding of what you were familiar with but not studied deeply. Kindly go back and read Ellen’s comments on her own writings and how they should be used.
Amen .
@@joanavosayaco you keep saying stop worrying about offending them, I'm tired of hearing that do you understand Ellen G White blasphemed the Holy Spirit ??
I have proof would you like me to send you the scriptures. Quite simply.... it's this .....in the new testament it says "with the law, comes the curse ".
Well , Ellen G White says that the ten commandments in the Old Testament are the Seal of the Holy Spirit when clearly at least twice in the New Testament it says that the Seal of God in believers is the Holy Spirit , so she's substituting the Holy Spirit for the ten commandments, thereby making the spirit a curse.
I highly recommend not following any of her damnable teachings
@@joanavosayaco she had two secretaries ( White)one committed suicide and one died in a mental ward. She followed the millerites clearly ripped off Joseph Smith and said she went to Saturn and saw Enoch walking around on Saturn in space
Spoken like a true SDA but the truth is Ellen White was a false prophet of course you won't believe that but it's been proven. She clearly thought along the same lines as Joseph Smith who was absolutely a false prophet. The day you keep the food you eat and all the other stuff did not come from God. The Bible says let not man judge you on the sabbath what you eat and so on bottom line is believe in Jesus and accept Him and what He did on the cross that's all you need to be saved God's way is simple false prophets make it complicated
@@patriciaramirez4257 thought along the same lines as Joseph Smith?? are you kidding??? she copied him almost verbatim.
she's a ripoff artist
Be encouraged! Matthew 19: 29 NASB "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms on account of My name, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life."
It's not an easy thing to do and a harder thing to say, but may God bless your obedience, leading you to the community He has for you. leaving a denomination ≠ leaving the body of Christ. you are still His child, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. God is leading many people out and into new places to finish the work. Focus on where He is taking you next. Know that you're not alone and not the only one 🤍🙏🏾 Blessings!
The Bible refers to two Jerusalems. Earthly and spiritual. Jerusalem was largely used to refer to the “inhabitants” of Jerusalem (Isaiah 5:3).
Besides, God used to refer to Jerusalem as His “woman” (wife) and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem or Israel as the seed of the “woman” or His children. They were His sons and daughters.
As the capital of the Jewish nation, Jerusalem was often used to represent, not only to its the inhabitants, but also to the whole Israel as an entity (Isaiah 60, 61, 62, 66, etc).
When Jerusalem was desolated in 586 B.C.E. and the Jews taken to servitude in Babylon, Jerusalem was DIVORCED by her husband, Y.H.W.H. God. It also lost its children to the 70 years' servitude. Thus its “land” began to be referred to as “desolate”, “barren” and “repudiated” (Isaiah 54:1-7).
When captivity ended in 536 B.C.E., Jerusalem was repopulated. However, this restoration did not fulfill the TRUE restoration of Jerusalem, for Jerusalem continued to be in servitude and without HUSBAND.
The apostle Paul under inspiration, applied the prophecy at Isaiah 54:1 to the SPIRITUAL Jerusalem which was instituted on the Pentecost of the year 31 C.E. at Galatians 4:26, 27. This meant that, all along from 586 C.E. up to the day of Pentecost in 31 C.E., God was no husband of Jerusalem; Jerusalem and her children were in BONDAGE due to the consequences of the curses in the Law book (Deuteronomy 28:15-68; 31:24-26). Those curses were broken at Calvary through the death of Jesus (Galatians 3:10-13).
But, the question is: From the inception of Jerusalem to the Day of Pentecost, Jerusalem had no believing child, all were unfaithful? All had been in BONDAGE?
Far from it, the “Jerusalem above”, or the “mother” of all believers included also those who died in faith BEFORE the Cross (Hebrews 9:15; 11:13-16; 13:14). The reason why Isaiah stated that Jerusalem became “barren” and didn't bear children ever since she was repudiated by her husband, God until they were re-united. The MAJORITY were born for BONDAGE.
When “Jerusalem above” replaced earthly Jerusalem, the latter was repudiated to be no more God's wife FOREVER and EVER (Galatians 4:30). Then, persecution caused by Satan the devil STARTED and spiritual Israel (the inhabitants of Jerusalem above on earth) were mercilessly persecuted as FORETOLD (Mathew 10:16-23; 24:9; John 16:1-3; Galatians 4:29). How did the persecution get started?
John, the beloved apostle of Jesus was shown this “Jerusalem above”, God's “woman”, and how it was persecuted at the hands of God's enemies (Revelation 12:1-17).
The apostles had constantly FORETOLD the great apostasy after their death. They even said that it was working in secret during their day (2Thess. 2:7; 2:1-3; 1Corinth 1:10-13; 15:12; 2Tim. 2:16-18; 1John 2:18,19; Revelation 2:6; 2:14-20 ). But the apostles constituted the restraint (Acts 20:29, 30; Rom. 16:17-19; 2John 1:9-11).
When the last apostle disappeared from the face of the earth, the foretold great apostasy flourished all over the world. The Gentiles outnumbered the true believers and conquered spiritual Israel into SPIRITUAL captivity. False doctrines started to be taught in the churches of APOSTATE Christianity including the immortality of the soul, eternal torment, indulgences, the prayer through the dead, the images, the sun worship, etc. Those who stood up for the TRUTH were ruthlessly persecuted. Thus “Jerusalem” and its “temple” SANCTUARY were “TRAMPLED UPON” for 1260 years as FORETOLD at Revelation 11:1-3.
However, in 1844, Jesus CAME. Where and why did He come? He came to the “temple” SANCTUARY to cleanse it and to chase away those who defiled it, the Gentiles or APOSTATE christians. He also came for the INVESTIGATIVE judgment on the “house of God” (Mal. 3:1-3). Just as Jesus came to CLEANSE the earthly temple SANCTUARY in Jerusalem in 31 C.E., and chased those religious leaders who defiled it and judged the nation (Matthew 21; 23), He also came and CLEANSED the heavenly TEMPLE sanctuary in Jerusalem above (Revelation 11:1-3).
Just as a remnant of FLESHLY Jews was delivered from Babylon starting from 536 B.C.E. (Isaiah 10:20-23) AFTER Jerusalem had been trampled upon in Babylon for 70 years, so did Jesus deliver a REMNANT from spiritual Babylon in 1844, when Babylon the Great experienced a spiritual fall (Revelation 14:8). This REMNANT that EMERGED from Babylon the Great or spiritual “wilderness” (Revelation 12:6, 14) came to be later known as the SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH (Revelation 10:1-11).
A lot of prayers and direction of the Holy Spirit is need in these last days of earth history, may God help us to focus on Him and Him only for His coming is soon and we don't have time for foolishness,just keep looking to Him and stay in His will.
May God have mercy on us all.
The Bible refers to two Jerusalems. Earthly and spiritual. Jerusalem was largely used to refer to the “inhabitants” of Jerusalem (Isaiah 5:3).
Besides, God used to refer to Jerusalem as His “woman” (wife) and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem or Israel as the seed of the “woman” or His children. They were His sons and daughters.
As the capital of the Jewish nation, Jerusalem was often used to represent, not only to its the inhabitants, but also to the whole Israel as an entity (Isaiah 60, 61, 62, 66, etc).
When Jerusalem was desolated in 586 B.C.E. and the Jews taken to servitude in Babylon, Jerusalem was DIVORCED by her husband, Y.H.W.H. God. It also lost its children to the 70 years' servitude. Thus its “land” began to be referred to as “desolate”, “barren” and “repudiated” (Isaiah 54:1-7).
When captivity ended in 536 B.C.E., Jerusalem was repopulated. However, this restoration did not fulfill the TRUE restoration of Jerusalem, for Jerusalem continued to be in servitude and without HUSBAND.
The apostle Paul under inspiration, applied the prophecy at Isaiah 54:1 to the SPIRITUAL Jerusalem which was instituted on the Pentecost of the year 31 C.E. at Galatians 4:26, 27. This meant that, all along from 586 C.E. up to the day of Pentecost in 31 C.E., God was no husband of Jerusalem; Jerusalem and her children were in BONDAGE due to the consequences of the curses in the Law book (Deuteronomy 28:15-68; 31:24-26). Those curses were broken at Calvary through the death of Jesus (Galatians 3:10-13).
But, the question is: From the inception of Jerusalem to the Day of Pentecost, Jerusalem had no believing child, all were unfaithful? All had been in BONDAGE?
Far from it, the “Jerusalem above”, or the “mother” of all believers included also those who died in faith BEFORE the Cross (Hebrews 9:15; 11:13-16; 13:14). The reason why Isaiah stated that Jerusalem became “barren” and didn't bear children ever since she was repudiated by her husband, God until they were re-united. The MAJORITY were born for BONDAGE.
When “Jerusalem above” replaced earthly Jerusalem, the latter was repudiated to be no more God's wife FOREVER and EVER (Galatians 4:30). Then, persecution caused by Satan the devil STARTED and spiritual Israel (the inhabitants of Jerusalem above on earth) were mercilessly persecuted as FORETOLD (Mathew 10:16-23; 24:9; John 16:1-3; Galatians 4:29). How did the persecution get started?
John, the beloved apostle of Jesus was shown this “Jerusalem above”, God's “woman”, and how it was persecuted at the hands of God's enemies (Revelation 12:1-17).
The apostles had constantly FORETOLD the great apostasy after their death. They even said that it was working in secret during their day (2Thess. 2:7; 2:1-3; 1Corinth 1:10-13; 15:12; 2Tim. 2:16-18; 1John 2:18,19; Revelation 2:6; 2:14-20 ). But the apostles constituted the restraint (Acts 20:29, 30; Rom. 16:17-19; 2John 1:9-11).
When the last apostle disappeared from the face of the earth, the foretold great apostasy flourished all over the world. The Gentiles outnumbered the true believers and conquered spiritual Israel into SPIRITUAL captivity. False doctrines started to be taught in the churches of APOSTATE Christianity including the immortality of the soul, eternal torment, indulgences, the prayer through the dead, the images, the sun worship, etc. Those who stood up for the TRUTH were ruthlessly persecuted. Thus “Jerusalem” and its “temple” SANCTUARY were “TRAMPLED UPON” for 1260 years as FORETOLD at Revelation 11:1-3.
However, in 1844, Jesus CAME. Where and why did He come? He came to the “temple” SANCTUARY to cleanse it and to chase away those who defiled it, the Gentiles or APOSTATE christians. He also came for the INVESTIGATIVE judgment on the “house of God” (Mal. 3:1-3). Just as Jesus came to CLEANSE the earthly temple SANCTUARY in Jerusalem in 31 C.E., and chased those religious leaders who defiled it and judged the nation (Matthew 21; 23), He also came and CLEANSED the heavenly TEMPLE sanctuary in Jerusalem above (Revelation 11:1-3).
Just as a remnant of FLESHLY Jews was delivered from Babylon starting from 536 B.C.E. (Isaiah 10:20-23) AFTER Jerusalem had been trampled upon in Babylon for 70 years, so did Jesus deliver a REMNANT from spiritual Babylon in 1844, when Babylon the Great experienced a spiritual fall (Revelation 14:8). This REMNANT that EMERGED from Babylon the Great or spiritual “wilderness” (Revelation 12:6, 14) came to be later known as the SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH (Revelation 10:1-11).
Do NOT HAVE COMPLICITY WITH SATAN THE DEVIL AND HIS SLAVES!!!!!
Blessings my sister, I walked a similar route, thanks for this testimony it's helping a lot of transitioning Adventists, stay blessed and share more
I can see many Adventists’ coming against you, but I AFFiRM you and your beautiful testimony. The truth of God flows from His Word and his Spirit is speaking directly through your life.
Do not be afraid! The critics cannot harm you in any way. Cheering you on!
This is so sad..i'm really sorry for the experience you had to go through my sister!!
God loves you and I believe you are on a yourney to understand the word of God to understand the bible for yourself.
Someone ask a good question and yes, before anyone ask yes I'm an Adventist and I wasn't always a sda. I didn't grew up in the church. But I just wish I had found this church earlier in my walk to find truth in God's word. I believe you are on a yourney.
I can relate to some of the things you said.....
I don't believe if you leave the building that means your a heathen or lost for ever.
The sda are very nice people, I had my critics before about this church and ask a lot of why's?? just like you... I'm mean the sister tina!
Someone ask the q what has the church done to you?
And I had to comment and say something about my own experience in my local church:
1. Members who left the church left it because they were hurt by someone in the church and I was also hurt.
2. Many did not experience the love from others as they should....as the bible states "to love one another as Christ loved you❤"
3. Others just didn't study the bible.."here a little and there a little" to understand the words God of for themself..they just relied on there own thinking of the bible and didn't ask the Holy Spirit to lead them to all truth.
4. When I came I didn't know much about Ellen White, but I was fascinated about how she knew the word of God so well when they quoted her..one day I told member of sda church who also was taking the same bible class... to show me this woman Ellen White, tell me where she's at so that I can go and visit her..yes I literally said that.
I saw this lack of understanding of some members in the sda of how to study her writing which was inspired by God. There is no way a child with a grade like her would know the thinks she knew and write books in health that helped many people with cancer, blood pressure, sugar problems here in my country Suriname.
Humanly is not possible unless she was inspired by God.
What I'm saying is if you study the bible you will experience the love of God and will understand the writings which simply points or magnifies the greater "light" the Word of God...I came to understand more about things like:
-The character of God
-How someone can be saved.
-State of the death
I had a different view of Gods character before I started studying his word with sda and I also had a different view of the state of the death
You must understand that I came from a dark place, from necromancy group, from ancestors worship, for living for Satan. Some of my family members are freemasons.
Untill I was saved by Christ Jesus.
All the above is my own experience...and my sister I will keep in my prayers...and I know He will lead you as He did it for me. Shalom!!!
I see no Adventist doing that
@@joelschoonland5573Joel, you must get before the Lord and ask in humility without ms white. Ask Him to deliver you from satans devices.
ms white was a false prophet.
Ask the Lord for true wisdom
@@Over-for-now No, is the other way around my friend read the book for yourself. Test the spirit. The bible makes it clear "you shall know them by their fruits" Matthew 7:16.
Many say she was a freemasons but when you dig deep into word as I have and study for yourself the book steps to Christ with your Bible in your hand my friend see it for yourself....I say praise God for using her because this book brought me closer to my Saviour Jesus Christ....so Hallelujah!!!! Let every man and woman test the spirit for themself
Maranatha friend..
Oh no , I m personally not coming against this young people, just I say " have a best life young girl may the lord bless you" but you leave and we stay ok be blessed , you leave other s coming , that s life , just all
"Coming home feeling tired" you mentioned that a few times... I also used feel tired at church and feeling tired when I get home...still can't figure why?
Because Sabbath, Hebrews 4, should be entered correctly.
I work very hard during the week and find that on Sabbaths when my labour has ceased my body become very relaxed and is the service is not a rousing I'll just sleep through it. Maybe it's the same with you.
I am a Sdanot only because of the Sabbath, but l find other churches apart from not accepting the 7th day Sabbath, they they teach a lot of false doctine eg that the dead is in heaven and knows what is happening still. Yet the bible says the dead knows nothing, the bible also speaks of a resurrection. If every dead person goes to heaven who is Going to resurrected when Christ returns. Or since they are already in heaven with him, he has no reason yo return.
I'm born in Atheist communism country and I thanks for ellen white testimonies that o0en my eye's to knowing bible and understand christ teaching ,so I have n I t complain about SDA
Praise God. Those who like ourselves, found truth through The Bible and not upbringing, seem to understand what Satan is trying to undermine. God bless you.
Praise God. Praise God.Praise God. Glory Be To Our GREAT God for you. Keep Holding On my dear, God Bless you. & Continued Prayers.🙏🏽
My testimony of EGW's books is that even a casual reading of her books moved me.I could honestly testify and I believed she was inspired by God. May God have mercy on you and I'm saying it in love, my dearest sister.
Yes, Ellen White books also moved me. Moved me to revulsion as I read her contradictions of the bible. Enjoy!
“Christ left His position in the heavenly courts and came to this earth to live the life of human beings. This sacrifice He made in order to show that Satan’s charge against God is false-that it is possible for man to obey the laws of God’s kingdom.”
White, Ellen. Manuscript 140, 1903, par. 27
[Contradicts: Matthew 1:21-23; 18:11’ Luke 19:10; John 1:29; 12:46; Timothy 1:15; Hebrews 9:26]
“Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved.”
White, Ellen. Christ's Object Lessons. Michigan: Review and Herald Publishing, 1908, p. 155
[Contradicts: Ephesians 2:8-9]
“Satan, who is the father of lies, deceived Adam in a similar way, telling him that he need not obey God, that he would not die if he transgressed the law.”
White, Ellen. Evangelism. Hagerstown: Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1946/1973, p. 598
[Contradicts: I Timothy 2:14]
“It is this coming, and not his second advent to the earth, that was foretold in prophecy to take place at the termination of the 2300 days, in 1844. Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies, and there appears in the presence of God, to engage in the last acts of his ministration in behalf of man,-to perform the work of investigative Judgment, and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits.”
White, Ellen. The Great Controversy. Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1888, p. 480
[Contradicts: Romans 5:10-11]
“In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit.”
White, Ellen. Testimonies for the Church. Vol. 4. Mountain View: Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1948, pp. 147-148
[Contradicts: Hebrews 1:1-2]
“Too late they see that the Sabbath of the fourth commandment is the seal of the living God. Too late they see the true nature of their spurious Sabbath and the sandy foundation upon which they have been building. They find that they have been fighting against God. Religious teachers have led souls to perdition while professing to guide them to the gates of Paradise. Not until the day of final accounts will it be known how great is the responsibility of men in holy office and how terrible are the results of their unfaithfulness. Only in eternity can we rightly estimate the loss of a single soul. Fearful will be the doom of him to whom God shall say: Depart, thou wicked servant.”
White, Ellen. The Great Controversy. Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1888, p. 640
[Contradicts: Ephesians 1:13]
“While in the wilderness, Christ fasted, but He was insensible to hunger. Engaged in constant prayer to His Father for a preparation to resist the adversary, Christ did not feel the pangs of hunger.”
Nichol, Francis D., and Raymond F. Cottrell, Don F. Neufeld, Julia Neuffer, editors. The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary. Vol. 5. Washington, D. C.: Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1980, p. 1080
[Contradicts: Matthew 4:1-2]
@@AcademyApologia look what is disciple of satan saying
@@AcademyApologia will not join the mark of the beast because of you which is sunday
@@AcademyApologiacan you tell us your church which you think it is a church of God
l was moved to Jesus.
Some were moved away just like two thieves on cross with Jesus one was saved but the other was not
@Sunshine Tinoe As adventist, I listened through the whole of your testimony of leaving a church. What is important is that you found Christ, though it has been outside of the Adventist church. And you know in my experience doctrine in the end will fall away. Love is what will remain. And important question to reflect on what is within my and your heart. What comes out in crisis is it love?
A BRILLIANT testimony, discussion and honesty. I wanted to be with you in the dialogue as a duo as I was constantly discussing point by point and agreeing on and on. I am now 71, been a Christian for 50 years, a SDA for 11 (20-31) and saw the red flags early on. I knew there were serious issues. My life with God has been astonishing with miracles of Biblical proportions as Jesus performed them - I keep a journal now over 600 pages of events that prove this to be true.
I could go on for hours in support of your decision, and why SDA's are not the place to be, just as the Jews in Jerusalem were shunned by Jesus. But here is where I divert from the crowds in and out.
Jesus taught his disciples the Kingdom of God, to experience it and to DO the very same works that Jesus did - the supernatural. And that is what I have done and learning more and more each day: moving weather systems, putting out forest fires by prayer alone, healing people, divine intervention, blinding eyes, getting directions as Elijah would get them, being attacked and fighting off demonic spirits, opening the Bible at random for specific answers (over 1,000 times), prophetic directions and judgements on certain bad people who are doing a disservice to God as you pointed out. The list goes on and on.
My goal is to so attain the same capabilities of Jesus and the disciples that the miracles alone will act as proof of this divine power within and let the others do the talking. I will shut-up.
I have a group of about 15 of the worlds best teachers to listen to who are bang on and have a proven track record of success. Listen to them and only them - he best are:. Curry Blake, John G Lake, Smith Wigglesworth, Charles Spurgeon, George Mueller, John McArthur (be a bit careful but he is a brilliant scholar), the Chosen TV series (brilliant), Rick Renner, Kenneth Haigan and more.
Absolutely stay away from the false prophets, teachers and healers like Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Ken Copeland, Cevro Dollar, Jakes, Osteen and mega church profiteers. they will lead you out.
You are on the right path. Now wash your hands of them, dont hate them, but instead set a new goal to replicate Jesus and let your actions do the talking. Remember this: People are blinded and rather sheep followers, not very bright. It is easy to be brainwashed if you do not compare it to the original and these brainwashed people will be the first to attack. Satan knows this and uses them to take you down. That is the sign of being a genuine Christian - being persecuted. It shows the demons are aware of your direction and is set out with a bounty on your head. That is good news because NOW you ARE the genuine article.
Good work!
Dave
AMEN
My gosh, I just lived for a moment, your life. I was an SDA for 36 years; since the 70s. I left back in 2019. Everything you said, everything, I experienced it. All of it. God bless you and continue to expose the SDA. Great testimony, great ministry. By the way, it was the Letter to the Galatians that made me cry and cry a lot. It was a "light" that "creeped" into my "thick skull". Blessings, sister to you and your wonderful family!!!
Thank you so much❤️
Blessings to you too
Glad you left
dear brother or sister, SDA church was chosen by God in these last days, It reprents the truth of whole Bible the way it is, I don't know what happened to u to say that but I pray that God our father who loves and knows everyone by heart may guide you through his word, Amen❤
You need to learn the Bible and stop following the Adventists but Christ. Church is full of sick people looking for Jesus as the doctor. He will do His work not anyone to fudge them, cos even judging is a sin itself. May God guide you
Do people like you really understand the book of Daniel and Revelation? I believe that one of the main reasons for such people as you leaving SDA church is either you don't want to understand those two books or you have never understood the context of the the two books at any point in your time in the SDA church. This is because such people who were attending SDA church were not really taking the Word of God seriously and went to church with personal expectations and not submitting to the will of God. The result of such behaviour is evident and which is simply: exiting from the church.
Boy, where do I start. I've only been officially in the church for 13 years and I'm in my 70's now. I truly believe that they are on the right track. And I've had some nasty treatment from SDA's at the Portland church and Loma Linda.
I believe that if you keep studying you'll find some quite little group of believers. I have so did my wife and another friend.
IT'S YOU AND THE SCRIPTURES. zGod bless you and try not to throw out the baby with the bath water.
Are these teachings by Ellen White and founder Uriah Smith on the "right track" and biblical?
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
“The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.”
Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
@@AcademyApologia mathew 7 vs 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good. fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit
never exept a good answer from @AcademyApologia
@@mvurwimainsdachurch Are these teachings by Ellen White and founder Uriah Smith on the "right track" and biblical?
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
“The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross. Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.”
Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
All my life I heard that leaving Adventism was "throwing out the baby with the bathwater." I have heard this statement for about 50 years or so. But I do remember the cold chill it sent through my spine! For all I could think of was Christmas and Baby Jesus.
Now in my old age I've come to realize that Adventists equate their salvation with their church membership.
Get this: For them the baby isn't Christ at all! The baby is CHURCH MEMBERSHIP!
"Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" literally means, Don't throw out your church membership -- your ticket to heaven -- just because:
* "Prexy Bob" Folkenberg got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Not to mention his other hand, both feet, his head, and especially
his belly.
* "Prexy Neal" Wilson lied on the witness stand in the Merikay case.
* Ellen G. White -- under the direction of the Holy Spirit, of course, of course -- went down to her local Christian bookstore, stole the brain children of others, then re-penned them over her own name without giving them credit, much less payment.
* Des Ford was defrocked and economically "burned at the stake" for speaking the truth at Glacier View. (Shades of the stoning of Stephen? Not that Des is any Stephen! Not even close!)
* The Cookie Monster (McKee of "the massacre at Southern Adventist University"
fame) sells Little Debbie "health foods" in nearly every supermarket in the country (USA supermarkets and stores).
* The far-right-wing "historical Adventist" vinyard owners of Lodi, California and
elsewhere sell their "table grapes" to wineries for to increase the "skid row" wino population.
* Airing the "dirty laundry" of sexual molestation of SDA children by their own
parents is a greater sin by far than washing said laundry.
Don't do it, my friend. "Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" just because of these minor details.
To be really "safe to save," don't even look at perpetration in the church. Look away. Better yet, close your eyes! Stop your ears! Tie your hands behind our back! Judge not that ye be not judged!
For we are ALL doing these things. Or would if we could.
I tell thee the cross of Christ could never be as important to you as your CHURCH
MEMBERSHIP!
Let Jesus go if you have to, but keep carrying that card with The Three Angels on it.
Matthew 22 (KJV):
34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducee's to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the and the prophets.
They are on the right track on the sabbath, state of dead and maybe the second coming
I listen to your journey on your faith to find Jesus Christ and respect some of your thoughts. We all have a journey to Jesus Christ and we should all find it in our own way. I happy to know that you seek Him on your own and found him. God is good all the time.
Wow, I am taken by your spiritual renewal journey.
I must say I learn much from you about the SDA teachings, especially their judgemental teachings on other churches.
I will love to hear more of your revealation to christs life.
I thank you. I feel more now on christs love for man.
God bless you.
God bless you in your journey! I think we all had similar experiences in seeing the truth.
Praying for your family that they would see the errors in SDAism and escape also! Blessings, sister! 💛
Apostasy exists is all denominations
@@RomanPaganChurch some more than others.
My dear brother or sister, SDA church was chosen by God in these last days, It reprents the truth of whole Bible the way it is, I don't know what happened to u to say that but I pray that God our father who loves and knows everyone by heart may guide you through his word, Amen❤
@@natureshowswonder Oh my!! How self righteous!!!!!
"It reprents the truth of whole Bible the way it is." You couldn't be more wrong!
You judge God's truth through your experience but not through the Bible that is why such as you have left. You always want your expectations to be fulfilled and not faithfully following God's truth. You want smooth journey in God's church and not acknowledging that in reality the journey in the true Church of God is the wilderness of hardship one experiences from outside the church, and from the members of the church. Never base anything about the God in your expectations or feelings; only stand on the Word of God.
Love how you shared your story - calm, like to a friend, easy to listen to and see your experience. I left sda and then came back. I found peace with so much of it and realized so much of it was practiced in legalism and salvation by works. ITS ABOUT THE GOSPEL. Jesus must be at the center of all teaching. It’s wild how much freedom and connection is found in him if you just go study. Not saying you have to leave or stay just but go study and connect with Him… he’s precious! Glad you have a deep abiding relationship now. That’s so satisfying ❤
Jesus says come unto me not to people this is the work of the devil you have to go with a mind set that I’m going to meet God there
Are you bashing Ellen White. You born SDA doesn't not mean you are grounded in the faith
Freedom in Christ doesn't mean I have freedom to Murder, or commit adultery,and of course I am (so are you)not justified to change Sabbath sacredness to any other day.
Thank you for sharing your life and story...you are such a lovely and beautiful young lady! God bless sharing your experiece.
Thank Jesus a Great thing happened to you My sister,i have no words in let God do the lest, this is Amazing,
Thanks for the story! I learned to put my eyes on Christ. Happy to be a SDA member.
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@AcademyApologia you probably keep Sunday as the Lord’s day and call yourself a Christian, and try to question my Christianity 😅
@@ministeriobibliahabla217 Tried, I just showed if you are an Adventist, you are not Christian and why.
@@AcademyApologia you probably hate the book of Revelation 😅
@@ministeriobibliahabla217 This is the best you can do to defend your false non-Christian religion? You are weak and Adventism is a false religion
Thank you sister for this truth don't turn back......seek God is all we need.
Do you really seek God or are you self-righteous? Judging others and leaving the church because of others fault. This is very selfish reason to leave the true Church of God.
The church is us, and not the building,the body of believers coming together,we should not allow ourselves to be confused and deceived by the enemy!God bless you!
Listening to your presentation made me better understand why many leave the church because they lack true understanding of the teachings of the Adventist and are carried away by vain philosophy and by their own misunderstanding and feelings. May God bring you to a true understanding of Christ and his love for you before it is too late.God made you a beautiful young lady and you have beautiful voice.Please devote your tallents to the Glory of your creator.
No, just read Ellen White and that is enough for most to leave. Here is just one example proving EGW is a false prophet. At a conference in Battle Creek in 1856 she gave a "vision" where she said some of these at this conference would be translated to heaven. *Spoiler alert, none were translated to heaven and all are now food for worms:*
“But we were yet to pass through another severe trial. At the conference a very solemn vision was given me. *I saw that some of those present would be food for worms, some subjects for the seven last plagues, and some would be translated to heaven at the second coming of Christ, without seeing death.”*
White, Ellen. Spiritual Gifts. Vol. 2. Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., 1860/2011, p. 209
Matthew 7:15-20 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (16) You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (17) So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. (18) A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) *Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.* [False Prophecies]
@@AcademyApologiado you know what "you'll know them by their fruits mean?"
@@watamangondo Are you an Adventist? Do you own a bible? You cite words, but refuse to show the source. It is common for Adventists to refuse to cite the bible, this shows Adventism is not about the bible.
You so right God don’t lie. If God speaking to someone it’s going to happen. If a person say God told them or spoke to them it should come to pass and line up with scripture if not it’s false . Great testimony.
Some of the things predicted (either in science or Bible) were fulfilled when the people who did the prediction where already resting in the grave. They didn't have the chance to see the fulfillment. Don't expect immediate fulfilment in Bible prophecies.
Yes,your story is a mirror of my life. I was born an Adventist,too many conditions apply
Muddles the mind
What you're saying is False!
If a person says something that is not according to the Word of God, the Bible, it is not by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, it is that person alone!!
Seventh Day Adventist Church, preaches the truth, using the word of God to speak through His servants!!
So do the right thing!
SDA Church is a World church.
Her work, is in almost every country of the world! When the messages reaches throughout the world, the end comes!
JESUS our Saviour will come with all His Angels, to take those people who love Him, to heaven.
John 14:15 Jesus says, If you love me, keep my commandments
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God bless
@@user-hd9vu5iv1fPeople are allowed to have their own opinions.
Father thank you for your mercy and grace … you said the TRUTH your truth comes with Freedom Precious Sprit of Holiness lead us and guide us so we may not falter set the captives free so they may KNOW your LOVE
Encourage those who are seeking your kingdom continue to give them your peace that only you can give … thank you for YOUR unchanging word in the Undefeated name of Jesus Christ the LORD and savior who is amen
Your problem us that you want to go to heaven without following God's commandment. You will get lost my sister. Better read your Bible well. Read exodus 20:8-10. Because Go's loves us so much that is why He gave us the spirit of prophecy. Read Rev;19 :10
@@roselinenyakonu1240the spirit of prophecy is for everyone... You don't follow another Gospel the Bible doesn't contradict itself. Y'all look at everything with her belief system as if God's word wasn't enough ...Really ?
You are right GOD has given us sustenance.
I've noticed that a considerable number of SDAs simply fade away from Adventism, often becoming entirely agnostic to idea of in God in general, and Christianity in particular. Of those who deny Christianity altogether, many of these will attempt to fuse in some sort of "the spiritual" into their worldview, often with New Age concepts. (Why this latter condition happens so frequently is still a mystery to me).
Probably the most famous former-Adventist is D. M. Canright. He was personally groomed by James and Ellen White, so when he broke with them is was a major deal. Canright wrote a fantastic book countering the false beliefs in the sect entitled *"Seventh-day Adventism Renounced"*. In that book he has this to say about those who leave Adventism:
"A strong argument with Adventists is, that most of those who leave them become infidels, as all know. But, after long watching, I became satisfied that *it is Adventism which has made them infidels* . Look at Romanism. Wherever it has had sway a while, it filled the land with infidels. Go among the Mormons at Salt Lake. Large numbers of their children are becoming infidels. The natural rebound from fanaticism and superstition is into infidelity and scepticism. Right here in Otsego [Michigan] we have several infidels, the grown-up children of Adventists. I know them and meet them all over the country, and their numbers are increasing. I feel sure that the ripe fruit of Adventism in the years to come will be a generation of doubters".
Tell me more about this guy that was groomed
Daniel 7 vs 25 And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time, and times, and the dividing of time.
Constantine the Great changed the Sabbath to Sunday ... On March 7, A.D. 321, Constantine the Great issued the first civil Sunday law, compelling all the people ..
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Hipparchus, whose work primarily took place between 147 and 127 B.C., proposed dividing the day into 24 equinoctial hours, based on the 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness observed on equinox days
God’s time was changed from Gen 1 vs 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
Rev 13:4
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
This verse is proving if you obey the beast which changed the time and law you shall worship it and the dragon which is Satan . the beast is Roman Catholic, you can google for a church which kills God’s people and disciples for proof.
Proof that roman catholic it is the beast
Rev 13:33 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Those who know history the roman empire was the most powerful in the past years but it was defeated in World war representing the wounded leader who was taken in prison in France and die
If you search for their commandments and compare with bible they are wrong.
I also want you look how Sunday worship came.
You might be no knowing that God allowed Satan to use this woman to expose SDA, so that you and l can know the truth
Matt 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Some of you are hearing what they did not know, if there was no this video you could have not known it
You might enjoy but it is the prophecy that is being fulfilled Jesús is not going to come until everyone knows the truth
You are now in danger of knowing things for example the Sabbath God is now looking a fruit if he came before you keep it, l don’t lie to you will miss the kingdom of heaven (God forgives days of knowing)
If you know that Sunday was not ordained as a holy day by God why do you want to die on false teachings busy worrying about EGW books you do not read and you don’t understand , but you are not worried by keeping God’s laws. If don’t know ,let me tell you Satan wants everyone to be destroyed, but because of Jesus not all of us shall be destroyed. Everyone on this comments have a mission some are for Satan, those who oppose what the bible, those who first look for wrong things of other living where they are wrong and they justify themselves.
Some they know that Saturday is the sabbath but they say God can save us because many people don’t do it, if you are like that hear this Only Lot and his family where righteous in Sodom and it was destroyed because of not having ten righteous people and this is the proof that correct things are only done by few people
Proof of Sunday is the mark of the beast.
We first need to identify mark of God Ex 31:12-17
12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
@@mvurwimainsdachurch Please forgive the following long answer here.
Do you realize that Islam has been attempting to wear out the Saints of the Most High for over 1400 years? In the first 100 years after Muhammad's death, Islam had destroyed 70% of the known Christian world. In 732 AD this supposedly peaceful religion was all the way up into France before Charles Martel finally put a halt on their Islamic expansion. Spain would spend almost 800 years trying to drive out their Muslim overlords who had enslaved them.
Think about all the similarities to the scriptural description. It has a Beast system led by the commands of a False Prophet. Islam has a built in relationship to Church and State, and they have always functioned as one in the same. Islamic countries enforce Islam on their people to the point of capital punishment. Islam has no regard for women, and a woman is considered have the value half of a man.
To this day, Islam persecutes Christianity like no other. The Center for the Study of Global Christianity has done extensive research on Christian martyrdom, both historical and contemporary. They estimate that just between the years 2005 and 2015 there were 900,000 Christian martyrs worldwide - an average of 90,000 per year.
The Eschatological system that the Seventh-day Adventists follow is known as Historicism, which was developed during the time of the reformers to explain what they saw as the primary players of the book of Revelation and Daniel. Catholicism is at the center of the evil in this perspective. But historicism is built upon the unfolding history from the view of Western Civilization and does not look much beyond it's own walls in this paradigm.
The Eastern Church has had it's own share of physical persecution, and is still currently suffering daily under the threat of Islam. The Eastern Church utilizes a similar eschatology known as Neo-Historicism which views the church from the Eastern perspective where both Islam and Roman Catholicism have played their parts. It also considers the persecution suffered by Christians in other parts of the world (such as Hindu persecution against Christianity).
If you want to get a different perspective please query Neo-Historicism. Also I commend a query for *political Islam* . Here under a google search you can find a short series of audio lectures that will give you a quick study of how Islam operates. (These are presented by Dr. Bill Warner).
Blessings
@@mvurwimainsdachurch Most of what you write here is proved false by going into simple history - readily available: czcams.com/video/fUIyO5g2f4U/video.html
D.M. Canright became an infidel and died an infidel not because of the Adventist Church but because of his own corrupted heart. Read the history of his final years and what he had to say about Ellen White. All who believe that leaving the Adventist church is the way to a greater spiritual experience with God are severely deceived and have not truly experience the truth of God's word. I grew up in the Sunday church for more than two decades before I became a Seventh-day Adventist and while I will admit that there are problems in the church. It is not the church that is the problem it is the unconsecrated people attending the church, and remember at best we are all flawed. The Lord is working to perfect His church and we are not there yet. What SDAs believe is inline with scriptures more than any other denomination. But the majority cannot see or accept this because they look at the Word of God through human perspective and through the lens of God's word. One of the principles that SDAs employs in study ing scriptures especially bible prophecy is that the bible must interpret its own symbols. We also use the "line upon line, here a little there a little" principle which helps to get a better understanding of what the scripture is saying and to not fall victim to our own personal interpretation. How many times have you heard persons say, "Well that is my interpretation". This is one of the reasons why there are so many churches, but Jesus is coming back not for many churches but his bride without spot or wrinkle.
Me and my wife came out in 2016. We saw how the sda church does not go by the Bible. Now I am learning to trust Jesus alone. Hope you will pray for us to find a Bible believing loving church.
What is that you found not to be Biblical with Adventist faith?
Satan is realy looking for people .
and it is written And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ”
Satan is happy that you left a church which keeps God's commandments
james 2 vs 10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
so satan knos this verse he fight for you to just live the fourth one on Exodus 20:8-11
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
He knows if you break it you will look like a son of God , while you are not. Thats you see few videos about why l left roman catholic
Yes SDA worship the Sabbath day and EGW more than they do Jesus Christ and Him alone. They're believe as long as I keep the Sabbath, I'm going to heaven. WRONG. Most of them are lukewarm Christians who think their good works 'sabbath keeping' will get them into heaven. The Bible says, even if one commandment is broken, you've broken them all. So sad and deceived they are. They're not born again, just indoctrinated souls follow a false prophet and a false Jesus.
@@no1specialtoyou789 l am an sda l don't believe l keep just sabbath l will go to heaven so don't say SDA believe so
and if got time go to SDA you will observe that no one can have the EGW books but the bible so we don't belive in EGW more than Jesus. And we also read the bible as chapters every day
we just read EGW books just to have better understanding of the bible
some pple don't even have money to buy them . As for me l can spent a year without reding EGW books or even spending your life without it. but having a bible because it has more information than EGW books .
l can only take it just to look what l misunderstand only not to take his books important as biible .
if got chance you will see that she only commented what is in the bible . She did not write things , like the way those who wrote bible, like starting from nothing and produce something
and l believe it is not evil to do not read his books because what is his books is also in the bible . You will see verses that links to what she wrote
@@mvurwimainsdachurch that's the problem with MOST religions, they rely on their founding fathers and prophets to interpret the Bible for them. SDA sadly believe that EGW is the only one who can give understanding but if you actually go to the Bible you'll see that Jesus said the Holy Spirit is our TEACHER! (((John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.)))
No one else and that's why many of you follow a false prophet with false visions who've created a false Jesus in the SDA faith. All religions are preaching a false gospel. REPENT
You were so blessed to be born into an SDA family. God gave us EG White in the end days to help us stiff necked people. All churches have people that walk in the flesh and have agendas. Pray with all your heart. SDA has the truth.
God did not give the false prophet Ellen White. At a conference in Battle Creek in 1856 she gave a "vision" where she said some of these at this conference would be translated to heaven. *Spoiler alert, none were translated to heaven and all are now food for worms:*
“But we were yet to pass through another severe trial. At the conference a very solemn vision was given me. *I saw that some of those present would be food for worms, some subjects for the seven last plagues, and some would be translated to heaven at the second coming of Christ, without seeing death.”*
White, Ellen. Spiritual Gifts. Vol. 2. Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., 1860/2011, p. 209
Matthew 7:15-20 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (16) You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (17) So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. (18) A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) *Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.* [False Prophecies]
You are a beautiful and precious persone !
God bless you!
The Bible refers to two Jerusalems. Earthly and spiritual. Jerusalem was largely used to refer to the “inhabitants” of Jerusalem (Isaiah 5:3).
Besides, God used to refer to Jerusalem as His “woman” (wife) and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem or Israel as the seed of the “woman” or His children. They were His sons and daughters.
As the capital of the Jewish nation, Jerusalem was often used to represent, not only to its the inhabitants, but also to the whole Israel as an entity (Isaiah 60, 61, 62, 66, etc).
When Jerusalem was desolated in 586 B.C.E. and the Jews taken to servitude in Babylon, Jerusalem was DIVORCED by her husband, Y.H.W.H. God. It also lost its children to the 70 years' servitude. Thus its “land” began to be referred to as “desolate”, “barren” and “repudiated” (Isaiah 54:1-7).
When captivity ended in 536 B.C.E., Jerusalem was repopulated. However, this restoration did not fulfill the TRUE restoration of Jerusalem, for Jerusalem continued to be in servitude and without HUSBAND.
The apostle Paul under inspiration, applied the prophecy at Isaiah 54:1 to the SPIRITUAL Jerusalem which was instituted on the Pentecost of the year 31 C.E. at Galatians 4:26, 27. This meant that, all along from 586 C.E. up to the day of Pentecost in 31 C.E., God was no husband of Jerusalem; Jerusalem and her children were in BONDAGE due to the consequences of the curses in the Law book (Deuteronomy 28:15-68; 31:24-26). Those curses were broken at Calvary through the death of Jesus (Galatians 3:10-13).
But, the question is: From the inception of Jerusalem to the Day of Pentecost, Jerusalem had no believing child, all were unfaithful? All had been in BONDAGE?
Far from it, the “Jerusalem above”, or the “mother” of all believers included also those who died in faith BEFORE the Cross (Hebrews 9:15; 11:13-16; 13:14). The reason why Isaiah stated that Jerusalem became “barren” and didn't bear children ever since she was repudiated by her husband, God until they were re-united. The MAJORITY were born for BONDAGE.
When “Jerusalem above” replaced earthly Jerusalem, the latter was repudiated to be no more God's wife FOREVER and EVER (Galatians 4:30). Then, persecution caused by Satan the devil STARTED and spiritual Israel (the inhabitants of Jerusalem above on earth) were mercilessly persecuted as FORETOLD (Mathew 10:16-23; 24:9; John 16:1-3; Galatians 4:29). How did the persecution get started?
John, the beloved apostle of Jesus was shown this “Jerusalem above”, God's “woman”, and how it was persecuted at the hands of God's enemies (Revelation 12:1-17).
The apostles had constantly FORETOLD the great apostasy after their death. They even said that it was working in secret during their day (2Thess. 2:7; 2:1-3; 1Corinth 1:10-13; 15:12; 2Tim. 2:16-18; 1John 2:18,19; Revelation 2:6; 2:14-20 ). But the apostles constituted the restraint (Acts 20:29, 30; Rom. 16:17-19; 2John 1:9-11).
When the last apostle disappeared from the face of the earth, the foretold great apostasy flourished all over the world. The Gentiles outnumbered the true believers and conquered spiritual Israel into SPIRITUAL captivity. False doctrines started to be taught in the churches of APOSTATE Christianity including the immortality of the soul, eternal torment, indulgences, the prayer through the dead, the images, the sun worship, etc. Those who stood up for the TRUTH were ruthlessly persecuted. Thus “Jerusalem” and its “temple” SANCTUARY were “TRAMPLED UPON” for 1260 years as FORETOLD at Revelation 11:1-3.
However, in 1844, Jesus CAME. Where and why did He come? He came to the “temple” SANCTUARY to cleanse it and to chase away those who defiled it, the Gentiles or APOSTATE christians. He also came for the INVESTIGATIVE judgment on the “house of God” (Mal. 3:1-3). Just as Jesus came to CLEANSE the earthly temple SANCTUARY in Jerusalem in 31 C.E., and chased those religious leaders who defiled it and judged the nation (Matthew 21; 23), He also came and CLEANSED the heavenly TEMPLE sanctuary in Jerusalem above (Revelation 11:1-3).
Just as a remnant of FLESHLY Jews was delivered from Babylon starting from 536 B.C.E. (Isaiah 10:20-23) AFTER Jerusalem had been trampled upon in Babylon for 70 years, so did Jesus deliver a REMNANT from spiritual Babylon in 1844, when Babylon the Great experienced a spiritual fall (Revelation 14:8). This REMNANT that EMERGED from Babylon the Great or spiritual “wilderness” (Revelation 12:6, 14) came to be later known as the SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH (Revelation 10:1-11).
DO NOT BE ACCOMPLICE TO SATANIC APOSTATES!!!
Sister I totally get you. I am 59 now, became Adventist at 12. Like many as young adults that fall away for a while. When I first began there was no command to be vegetarian and though I knew about Ellen ( grandma had all yer books to ) she wasn't much of a discussion.. Which suited me fine, believe in Yeshua I did, believe in Ellen I never did.
When I came back I liked Pastor Doug but soon discovered that church politics got the better of the remnant. What else I see is the Church of Ellen, I have seen quite a few SDA quote Ellen when trying to discuss beliefs. I was talking to one that believes in Rapture pre tribe, anyway they can quote some Ellen but maybe only one from bible. Don't give your self over to Satan, keep your beliefs, be a church of one if you have to. The scriptures are real, God is real the true Sabbath is as well. For me it was easy to move one step forward on my spiritual journey. I want to worship how Yeshua and his disciples did, wasn't hard to look to Messianic Judaism. They go by Messianic communities these days. We kept most there rules anyway, except the fun ones, which God called his appointed time's know as the feast days. I have found some good online places I worship at this moment. In my study both Bible and history and discovered ( when Paul was arrested ), they said he was the leader of the Sect of Nazarenes. History records it was the people in Antioch that first called them Christian, later a Roman emperor declared they were Christians. Now I say I am a Nazarine, not because want to belong to the church, I don't really, but I think it's because I love God and I find my mind stays on him by walking in his foot steps. Check out these two sites, one will talk about Nazarenes. 119 Ministries is Messianic but they have over 400 videos of good, sound teaching.. when I began locking into it to know the Holy Spirit began to get happy. I can now feel the spirit anytime I want and what a wonderful feeling. I know I am going the right direction now and millions of SDA, Jews and Islam are converting to Messianic. The Holy spirit is speaking to his people, calling them home.
www.119ministries.com/
nazareneisrael.org/
Let me leave you with a couple bible quotes to show you, your being called to study because probation is closing soon. Just open your bible put your hand on a page and pray for guidance.
Romans 9
25 As indeed he says in Hoshea,
“Those who were not my people I will call my people;
her who was not loved I will call loved;
26 and in the very place where they were told,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called sons of the living God!”
27 But Yesha‘yahu, referring to Isra’el, cries out,
“Even if the number of people in Isra’el is as large
as the number of grains of sand by the sea,
only a remnant will be saved.
28 For Adonai will fulfill his word on the earth
with certainty and without delay.”
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Just for you, lucky I studied the Remnant the other day as I got in a convo with an SDA woman. She told me her proof, 1 bible quotes an 10 Ellen quotes. She thinks she. Won even after reading my purely biblical account. Sorry it's long.
GOD'S TRUE REMNANT
Romans 11
1 “In that case, I say, isn’t it that God has repudiated his people?” Heaven forbid! For I myself am a son of Isra’el, from the seed of Avraham, of the tribe of Binyamin. 2 God has not repudiated his people, whom he chose in advance. Or don’t you know what the Tanakh says about Eliyahu? He pleads with God against Isra’el, 3 “Adonai, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars, and I’m the only one left, and now they want to kill me too!” 4 But what is God’s answer to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not knelt down to Ba‘al.” 5 It’s the same way in the present age: there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 (Now if it is by grace, it is accordingly not based on legalistic works; if it were otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.) 7 What follows is that Isra’el has not attained the goal for which she is striving. The ones chosen have obtained it, but the rest have been made stonelike, 8 just as the Tanakh says,
“God has given them a spirit of dullness -
eyes that do not see
and ears that do not hear,
right down to the present day.”
9 And David says,
“Let their dining table become for them
a snare and a trap, a pitfall and a punishment.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they can’t see,
with their backs bent continually.”
11 “In that case, I say, isn’t it that they have stumbled with the result that they have permanently fallen away?” Heaven forbid! Quite the contrary, it is by means of their stumbling that the deliverance has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Moreover, if their stumbling is bringing riches to the world - that is, if Isra’el’s being placed temporarily in a condition less favored than that of the Gentiles is bringing riches to the latter - how much greater riches will Isra’el in its fullness bring them!
13 However, to those of you who are Gentiles I say this: since I myself am an emissary sent to the Gentiles, I make known the importance of my work 14 in the hope that somehow I may provoke some of my own people to jealousy and save some of them! 15 For if their casting Yeshua aside means reconciliation for the world, what will their accepting him mean? It will be life from the dead!
16 Now if the hallah offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole loaf. And if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you - a wild olive - were grafted in among them and have become equal sharers in the rich root of the olive tree, 18 then don’t boast as if you were better than the branches! However, if you do boast, remember that you are not supporting the root, the root is supporting you. 19 So you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However, you keep your place only because of your trust. So don’t be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified! 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly won’t spare you! 22 So take a good look at God’s kindness and his severity: on the one hand, severity toward those who fell off; but, on the other hand, God’s kindness toward you - provided you maintain yourself in that kindness! Otherwise, you too will be cut off! 23 Moreover, the others, if they do not persist in their lack of trust, will be grafted in; because God is able to graft them back in. 24 For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!
25 For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won’t imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra’el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; 26 and that it is in this way that all Isra’el will be saved. As the Tanakh says,
“Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer;
he will turn away ungodliness from Ya‘akov
27 and this will be my covenant with them, . . .
when I take away their sins.”
28 With respect to the Good News they are hated for your sake. But with respect to being chosen they are loved for the Patriarchs’ sake, 29 for God’s free gifts and his calling are irrevocable. 30 Just as you yourselves were disobedient to God before but have received mercy now because of Isra’el’s disobedience; 31 so also Isra’el has been disobedient now, so that by your showing them the same mercy that God has shown you, they too may now receive God’s mercy. 32 For God has shut up all mankind together in disobedience, in order that he might show mercy to all.
33 O the depth of the riches
and the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How inscrutable are his judgments!
How unsearchable are his ways!
34 For, ‘Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Who has been his counselor?’
35 Or, ‘Who has given him anything
and made him pay it back?’
36 For from him and through him
and to him are all things.
To him be the glory forever!
Amen.
I hope this find your soul still hungry for the word. Get yourself The Complete Jewish Bible, easier to understand as is translated only from Hebrew and Aramaic to English by a Hebrew. That's is what bible the quotes came from. If you wanna talk more just respond back and give my Facebook info. May Elohim's ( God ) Sh’khinah Glory ( majestic presence or manifestation of God which has descended to "dwell" among men. Like Memra (= "word"; "logos") and "Yeḳara" (i.e., "Kabod" = "glory"), the term was used by the Rabbis in place of "God" ). Walk with you taking your hand and lead you home. God don't care what church ( man made word ) you go to , he wants to commune with you in his laws no doctrine. Follow his ways not the churches.
There are Messianic Jewish churches under 7th day adventism...
@@RomanPaganChurch Not under SDA . Now I will proudly say I am more than a Messianic, I am a Nazareen. The disciples after Jesus death were called The Sect of Nazareens.
The Nazarenes (or Nazoreans; Greek: Ναζωραῖοι, Nazōraioi)[1] were an early Jewish Christian sect in first-century Judaism. The first use of the term is found in the Acts of the Apostles (Acts 24:5) of the New Testament, where Paul the Apostle is accused of being a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes ("πρωτοστάτην τε τῆς τῶν Ναζωραίων αἱρέσεως") before the Roman procurator Antonius Felix at Caesarea Maritima by Tertullus.[2] At that time, the term simply designated followers of Jesus of Nazareth, as the Hebrew term נוֹצְרִי (nôṣrî),[3] and the Arabic term نَصَارَى (naṣārā),[4] still do.
Acts 24
5 “We have found this man a pest. He is an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world and a ringleader of the sect of the Natzratim. 6 He even tried to profane the Temple, but we arrested him.
So crucify me to for wanting to be like Yeshua and be a Christian Jew.
@@shrilreid3130 yeah, anyways, that's essentially the same. Acts 15, 15 years after Christ's resurrection, was the split. The book of hebrews is trying to get Jewish Christians to put down the book of law. Obviously the Ten Commandments still applies, but the book of law was not covered by Blood so it is discretionary seeing that we are of the priesthood. Anyways, that's essentially what Ellen White was trying to do is get people to go back to the apostolic age, some people call seven-day adventism Judaism light. So naturally, it's your call
I have started going to a Messianic assembly and it is awesome how so many people have been drawn into the movement from different denominations. I love how we study straight from the Torah and prophets. It is beautiful that so much more makes sense that before I would just read without understanding. The prodigal son parable also makes more sense knowing that Yahweh is still waiting for His son to come home and not finding a replacement for him. Shalom
Thank you for this video. I am an outsider in terms of Adventism, but I do study Adventism. I so appreciate videos from people like you as I find what you say so useful and helpful to me as I reach out to Adventists. I have a channel with many videos on all things Adventist.
God Bless you and I am excited for you and your new journey.
I would tell you that u have made a bad move if u was of God u wouldn't have leave God true Christan church.but I pray that God will open up your dark understanding,hear what u said u grow up as a proud Adventist because u u are proud that why u leave ,if u was a spiritual Christian u wouldn't have move .God said he don't walk with the proud.the church is a hospital there are lots of different people come.
Is the devil who speaking through u ,why u didn't feel the prence of God because u wasn't focused on God ,and don't want to listen no more to u for is the devil who is speaking to u ,but u are going to be sorry judgment day if u don't surrender
@@linnettecooke7243 Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
If you are trying to make videos so that Adventist should leave the church then you are wasting your time. You will get the doubters and weak ones who are skepticals who were already weak in their faith. Why don’t you use your time for other useful activities. In the last days some will depart from the faith and this is shaking time.
Despise and rejected the truth because of the messenger.
Ellen White or not the Seventh Day is and will always be the Sabbath of the Lord. He did say He is the Lord of the sabbath. Furthermore, the sabbath cannot change, God cannot change. The sabbath commemorate and testify to God as Creator.
The health diet is from God, He told Man what to eat, from plant base to what flesh to be eaten.
The interpretations of Daniel and the Revelation cannot be refuted, and many were not only of the SDA but of early church reformers. The truth though it hurts will never change.
Don't be deceived
One of the things I agreed with you is on having people in church who do not behave like Christians
But all you have to ask yourself is one,is that what that Church is teaching?does the Church manual accept that?
Is it right if you paint one's character as a character of the church?
I concur. She is delusional to begin with.
Thanks for sharing so much conformation
But which church you are in
Hi Tinoe. I hope you are doing well. It has been interesting to listen to your experience. I feel you are an honest person. I wish I had had the privilege to interact with you as you were going through this. Even now, I would cherish an opportunity to learn together with you on the many pertinent issues you raised. Anyways, may the peace of the Lord always flood your heart and His joy saturate your life. Shalom!
She made the right decision to leave a false and non-Christian religion.
The Bible refers to two Jerusalems. Earthly and spiritual. Jerusalem was largely used to refer to the “inhabitants” of Jerusalem (Isaiah 5:3).
Besides, God used to refer to Jerusalem as His “woman” (wife) and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem or Israel as the seed of the “woman” or His children. They were His sons and daughters.
As the capital of the Jewish nation, Jerusalem was often used to represent, not only to its the inhabitants, but also to the whole Israel as an entity (Isaiah 60, 61, 62, 66, etc).
When Jerusalem was desolated in 586 B.C.E. and the Jews taken to servitude in Babylon, Jerusalem was DIVORCED by her husband, Y.H.W.H. God. It also lost its children to the 70 years' servitude. Thus its “land” began to be referred to as “desolate”, “barren” and “repudiated” (Isaiah 54:1-7).
When captivity ended in 536 B.C.E., Jerusalem was repopulated. However, this restoration did not fulfill the TRUE restoration of Jerusalem, for Jerusalem continued to be in servitude and without HUSBAND.
The apostle Paul under inspiration, applied the prophecy at Isaiah 54:1 to the SPIRITUAL Jerusalem which was instituted on the Pentecost of the year 31 C.E. at Galatians 4:26, 27. This meant that, all along from 586 C.E. up to the day of Pentecost in 31 C.E., God was no husband of Jerusalem; Jerusalem and her children were in BONDAGE due to the consequences of the curses in the Law book (Deuteronomy 28:15-68; 31:24-26). Those curses were broken at Calvary through the death of Jesus (Galatians 3:10-13).
But, the question is: From the inception of Jerusalem to the Day of Pentecost, Jerusalem had no believing child, all were unfaithful? All had been in BONDAGE?
Far from it, the “Jerusalem above”, or the “mother” of all believers included also those who died in faith BEFORE the Cross (Hebrews 9:15; 11:13-16; 13:14). The reason why Isaiah stated that Jerusalem became “barren” and didn't bear children ever since she was repudiated by her husband, God until they were re-united. The MAJORITY were born for BONDAGE.
When “Jerusalem above” replaced earthly Jerusalem, the latter was repudiated to be no more God's wife FOREVER and EVER (Galatians 4:30). Then, persecution caused by Satan the devil STARTED and spiritual Israel (the inhabitants of Jerusalem above on earth) were mercilessly persecuted as FORETOLD (Mathew 10:16-23; 24:9; John 16:1-3; Galatians 4:29). How did the persecution get started?
John, the beloved apostle of Jesus was shown this “Jerusalem above”, God's “woman”, and how it was persecuted at the hands of God's enemies (Revelation 12:1-17).
The apostles had constantly FORETOLD the great apostasy after their death. They even said that it was working in secret during their day (2Thess. 2:7; 2:1-3; 1Corinth 1:10-13; 15:12; 2Tim. 2:16-18; 1John 2:18,19; Revelation 2:6; 2:14-20 ). But the apostles constituted the restraint (Acts 20:29, 30; Rom. 16:17-19; 2John 1:9-11).
When the last apostle disappeared from the face of the earth, the foretold great apostasy flourished all over the world. The Gentiles outnumbered the true believers and conquered spiritual Israel into SPIRITUAL captivity. False doctrines started to be taught in the churches of APOSTATE Christianity including the immortality of the soul, eternal torment, indulgences, the prayer through the dead, the images, the sun worship, etc. Those who stood up for the TRUTH were ruthlessly persecuted. Thus “Jerusalem” and its “temple” SANCTUARY were “TRAMPLED UPON” for 1260 years as FORETOLD at Revelation 11:1-3.
However, in 1844, Jesus CAME. Where and why did He come? He came to the “temple” SANCTUARY to cleanse it and to chase away those who defiled it, the Gentiles or APOSTATE christians. He also came for the INVESTIGATIVE judgment on the “house of God” (Mal. 3:1-3). Just as Jesus came to CLEANSE the earthly temple SANCTUARY in Jerusalem in 31 C.E., and chased those religious leaders who defiled it and judged the nation (Matthew 21; 23), He also came and CLEANSED the heavenly TEMPLE sanctuary in Jerusalem above (Revelation 11:1-3).
Just as a remnant of FLESHLY Jews was delivered from Babylon starting from 536 B.C.E. (Isaiah 10:20-23) AFTER Jerusalem had been trampled upon in Babylon for 70 years, so did Jesus deliver a REMNANT from spiritual Babylon in 1844, when Babylon the Great experienced a spiritual fall (Revelation 14:8). This REMNANT that EMERGED from Babylon the Great or spiritual “wilderness” (Revelation 12:6, 14) came to be later known as the SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH (Revelation 10:1-11).
Do NOT BE ACCOMPLICE TO APOSTATES !!!!
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@@jeanberchmansngendakuriyo2814 Tell me how the Gentiles defiled a HEAVENLY sanctuary? Nothing happened in 1844 except a failed prophecy and an attempt by a prideful group of people who couldn't admit their mistake, to cover it up by creating a false doctrine. Daniel 8 is about Alexander the Great, four kingdoms coming out of his kingdom after his death (Macedonia, Thrace, the Seleucid and Ptolemy kingdoms), and a little horn coming out of one of those kingdoms (Antiochus out of the Seleucid kingdom). Antiochus desecrated the Jewish Temple and exactly 2300 evening and mornings later it was restored by the Maccabees. The event is actually memorialized in the Jewish holiday called Hanukkah. (And the word "cleansed" isn't actually in the text. The earthly Temple was not cleansed. It was RESTORED ("sadaq") to its rightful state. There is absolutely NOTHING in this passage about Jesus entering into the Most Holy Place applying His blood on the heavenly mercy seat. Jesus enter into the Most Holy, to appear in the presence of God for us, at His ascension. Atonement was COMPLETED on the cross.
CONTRARY to EGW and her church, Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment; but is passed from death unto life" John 5:24.
God may be judging Adventists now, but He is NOT judging His Church, those who believe in His finished work on the cross.
Adventism is actually CONTRARY to the Gospel.
It REPLACES Jesus our spiritual Sabbath rest with a day of worship one day a week.
It REPLACES the Holy Spirit as the SEAL of God with that same day of worship.
It REPLACES the Holy Spirit who leads all believers into all truth and righteousness with a list of ten commandments given only to the nation of Israel.
It REPLACES the prophetic Word of God as the Testimony of Jesus, with the writings of a false prophet.
It DENIES the finished work of Christ on the cross.
Adventism is a cult that emerged out is the Second Great Awakening along with Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Science. Not only that, but Adventism also spawned several other cults such as the Worldwide Church of God, the Church of Philadelphia, Christadelphians, Church of God Seventh Day, Primative Advent Christian Church, etc. etc. etc.
@@AcademyApologia you're definitely not christian
You do not say what church or denomination are you attending now ?
I’m an Adventist and when you mentioned the judgment and the drama, I couldn’t relate more there’s not a lot of young people in my church but I feel like anytime I walk into the children’s division I feel judged I feel like I’m not wanted it’s like I’m out of place like what am I doing here? But other than that, I really enjoy church I wish there was less drama and judgment, and I wish we could dive more into the topic of deliverance, how to grow with God, speaking in tongues etc.
Met SDA girl once .got on well.her father so rude he would not greet me because I was Methodist.What a bunch off falseness.No wonder people call them a cult
Whatever you have said about how people are in the Adventist Church, the other churches have the same problem
Not true, SDA doctrine is false. Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
She is talking on her experience
I use to go there and i left when it come on to 6 friday to 6 saturday they are holy all the other days gone back to the same living smh
@@jasminemurry6783 And her experience is a realization that the Seventh-day Adventist church is not Christian and because it is not Christian, she had to go....
I dont believe in a sabbath day. A day of
waste.
Thank you for sharing your testimony. For me, finding out the truth about EGW put me over the top. I couldn’t get over the deception of her writings. I decided that from then on it would be the Word and the Word alone- everything else would be tested by the Word. I am even going to the point of learning Hebrew to discover what is lost in translation. Yahweh bless you as you continue to grow - if we are not growing something is wrong.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Yes.does not seem right at all
Hope YAHUAH guide you to his son Yahusha. By his ruah Hakodesh
Same here
Powerful advive!
Soooooo blessed, thank you my Sister,
Coming from hip hop culture as a rapper, Seventh Day Adventist has helped me a lot, now I have participated in public campus ministries, public ministry, door to door evangelism. I have seen the beauty of Christ. The church has the biggest heritage of books covering all walks of life that makes Adventists peculiar. I did master of commerce in Finance but I learnt the principles in thee book education and Counsels on Stewardship are by far greater. Reading is essential and conforming. to the word. May God help us to keep the faith and abide in Jesus
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
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Gospel (good news)?, being cursed by who?
How do you read the bible? Revelations 14 v6-12, do you understand it?
@@anesumidzi9680 The real question is have you read Rev. 14:6-12 and read it withe understanding? The specific gospel messages of these three angels are not in Revelation 14. Below are some of the messages of these 3 angels sourced from the 28 Beliefs book and the Discipleship Handbook:
*3 angels gospel messages*
*1st angel* -Fear God, worship the Creator, Hour of His judgment has arrived, attention to the 4th commandment, message against Darwinism, Restoration of God’s Holy Law
*2nd angel* -Babylon are apostate religions, Heretical teachings, Babylon falls because she rejects the 1st angels message, Many Protestants have departed from the great Bible truths of the Reformation,
*3rd angel* -True and False worship, the true and false gospel, Reject the Sabbath and choose to worship on Sunday, with the full knowledge of it is not God’s appointed day or worship, will receive the Mark of the Beast.
For example, where in the Bible can I find as the gospel message for Christians to warn people of the false message of evolution popularized by Charles Darwin as the Adventist first angel did in his gospel message?
I was baptised into my SDA church in Hong Kong a year ago and it has been the most proud and fulfilling decision of my life. It’s not about being a good adventist, but being a righteous and faithful child of God. May we always be reminded that while church is a place the real church are us. You and me. Do not let tangible church define your faith. I have a great community of SDA community, and I love keeping sabbath and learning biblical truths of SDA beliefs. I wish I could be there for you as your family in Christ, not just an Adventist. So sorry for your experience. I pray God’s guidance over your heart. He is always there for you, no matter the church community or members. Please remember to always go to Him and the bible for His words.
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@AcademyApologia
My friend, no matter which church or whatever denomination you belong to, if you have immersively in spirit & faith accepted Christ as your saviour, you are a Christian. Fear the Lord for it is only up to Him to judge who is righteous or of His kingdom. God is just and calls us His children. If you have a relationship with Him, He calls you by your name and communicates with you.
You may want to check again SDA’s beliefs are with Bible. I don’t know why you feel this way, because they are in-fact biblical. If the 3 angels message wasn’t in the bible, I would grow skepticism, but it is in the bible. Read Revelation 14:6 for 1st angel message. 14:8 for 2nd angel message, and 14:9 for 3rd angel message. Go through bible commentaries to cross check or further evaluation. You do not have to believe what others have laid out for you, the pastor, closest friend or things, but always believe the bible, as the scriptures are God breathed and comes from Him.
And I don’t know how you interpreted Galatians 1:6-9 but I wanted to remind you the heart of gospel ”For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:17 God loves us sooo much. Let us as followers of Christ not seperate and condemn each other but serve Him in unity so as many of us can be saved.
I am here for you and am praying for you. Jesus loves you. 🤍
@@GShima All Christ's are not equal. The Christ of the Seventh-day Adventist church did not die on the cross for a single sin. This was taught by Ellen White and many others.
Adventism is not a Christian religion:
“The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.”
Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
@@AcademyApologia all of us are equal in our loving kindness father YHWH.
We are sinners, and thats more reason to why we need Christ. Of course, ours sins are not cancelled, but forgiven. And we are to await the final day of judgement.
I do not understand some of what lottss of people infer about this, but it doe not matter, because I am content in seeking the truth from bible. I hope you remain faithful. May God give you His peace and bless you.
@@GShima Can you read? Did you not read my comment? Obviously not since yoiu comment above has no relationship to my comment.
I say again:
All Christ's are not equal. The Christ of the Seventh-day Adventist church did not die on the cross for a single sin. This was taught by Ellen White and many others.
Adventism is not a Christian religion:
“The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross. Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.”
Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
Thank you for doing this. I had question but learned how much Elene white is relied on. My God teaches me scripture, not some person that puts their pants on one leg at a time like me. So thank you, this cemented what I learned.
May God forgive you for you are a spiritual fool
You are so right. Pride has compass seventh day Adventist like a garment.
thank you for your good testimony and what church do you attend ....
Leaving a denomination is not leaving Jesus. I commend you. I respect SDA and they will outlive most of us because of dietary laws but I agree we need the Bible and the Holy Spirit to lead us and we need fellowship with fellow believers. No church is perfect and neither are the people who write books outside of the Bible, although you can learn from a kid if you have wisdom. Take care.
Not all churches are equal. Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@AcademyApologia interesting info. I haven’t studied SDA as I know many get stuck in Old Testament ways of works. It makes me wonder your thoughts is being accursed in this life or eternal damnation because it seems that there is so much error. Sometimes I get overwhelmed and just want to stick to learning how to love as Jesus does, but I don’t want to sit by while people perish and I’m also running the race myself. I appreciate your thoughts.
@@realitytalk I have studied non-Christian religions for decades. Adventists are jut one of many. I read your noble goal of wanting to love Jesus. Virtually all false religion will profess a belief and love of Christ. But the next question to ask is; Which Christ? It comes as a surprise to many that there are many, many Christs' and the Apostle Paul was very concerned with the Corinth church and that they many accept a fake Christ:
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 ESV (3) But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (4) *For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed,* or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
The Seventh-day Adventist Christ is one of those fake or different Christs. The Christ of the Adventist chruch was fabricated in 1844 and has been completely redefined. The Christ of the Adventist did not die on the cross for the sins of man:
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
When I say the Adventist is cursed, I am making reference to the Apostle Paul and Galatians:
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, *let him be accursed.* As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, *let him be accursed.*
The gospel message of the Adventist chruch was likewise fabricated in 1844. I will not make this comment any longer with the detail of the Adventist gospel, but can if desired. The Adventists preach a gospel of the 3 Angels Messages that is completely different than the one true biblical gospel Christians are to proclaim (I Cor. 15:1-4). Because they preach a "different" gospel, they are twice cursed according to Galatians 1:6-9.
@@AcademyApologia Wow. I’m blown away. I appreciate your response. Definitely will have to add this to study. That’s a serious rebuke of the blood of Jesus.
@@AcademyApologia you are wrong!
Prophetic misses and unbiblical doctrines,eg. The investigative judgement, worshipping on Sunday a sign of the mark of the beast, etc. The Bible is so simple, it doesn't need Ellen White's interpretation but the revelation of the Holy Spirit.EkaYakobi-James :3
1 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
Amen! Ellen White is a false prophet and a false teacher
Matthew 7:15-20 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (16) You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (17) So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. (18) A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.”
Agreed. It is sufficient on its own. The real light has no use of a lesser light (whatever that means).
You mentioned of dating with adventist men. My question for you was, what was your experience dating with them? Does it is a good experience or a bad one?
I relate with what you are saying. I am a pastors daughter and feeling so stuck. I get this horrible headache once I get into the church but that's where my family is. Its a hard place to be in
I guess it's time for you to pray and fast...with a meek heart ask God to show u the truth.
If you recognize the doctrines of Adventism are false, then you need to make plans to leave. I understand this will be difficult, but if you value biblical truth, then you will make plans to exit the false Seventh-day Adventist church. Be cautious and plan your exit and be prepared for family and friends pressure, but remain firm in your conviction.
~ am praying for you my sister i was a SDA from six years old i left the church at age of 19 but i. was not happy untill i return as the prodigal son pray my sister God answer prayers Peace
That you returned to the SDA chruch was not a good move. You need to leave and come to the one true Jesus of he bible and reject fake 1844 Investigative Judgemetn Jesus and the false 3 Angels gospel.
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
The Bible refers to two Jerusalems. Earthly and spiritual. Jerusalem was largely used to refer to the “inhabitants” of Jerusalem (Isaiah 5:3).
Besides, God used to refer to Jerusalem as His “woman” (wife) and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem or Israel as the seed of the “woman” or His children. They were His sons and daughters.
As the capital of the Jewish nation, Jerusalem was often used to represent, not only to its the inhabitants, but also to the whole Israel as an entity (Isaiah 60, 61, 62, 66, etc).
When Jerusalem was desolated in 586 B.C.E. and the Jews taken to servitude in Babylon, Jerusalem was DIVORCED by her husband, Y.H.W.H. God. It also lost its children to the 70 years' servitude. Thus its “land” began to be referred to as “desolate”, “barren” and “repudiated” (Isaiah 54:1-7).
When captivity ended in 536 B.C.E., Jerusalem was repopulated. However, this restoration did not fulfill the TRUE restoration of Jerusalem, for Jerusalem continued to be in servitude and without HUSBAND.
The apostle Paul under inspiration, applied the prophecy at Isaiah 54:1 to the SPIRITUAL Jerusalem which was instituted on the Pentecost of the year 31 C.E. at Galatians 4:26, 27. This meant that, all along from 586 C.E. up to the day of Pentecost in 31 C.E., God was no husband of Jerusalem; Jerusalem and her children were in BONDAGE due to the consequences of the curses in the Law book (Deuteronomy 28:15-68; 31:24-26). Those curses were broken at Calvary through the death of Jesus (Galatians 3:10-13).
But, the question is: From the inception of Jerusalem to the Day of Pentecost, Jerusalem had no believing child, all were unfaithful? All had been in BONDAGE?
Far from it, the “Jerusalem above”, or the “mother” of all believers included also those who died in faith BEFORE the Cross (Hebrews 9:15; 11:13-16; 13:14). The reason why Isaiah stated that Jerusalem became “barren” and didn't bear children ever since she was repudiated by her husband, God until they were re-united. The MAJORITY were born for BONDAGE.
When “Jerusalem above” replaced earthly Jerusalem, the latter was repudiated to be no more God's wife FOREVER and EVER (Galatians 4:30). Then, persecution caused by Satan the devil STARTED and spiritual Israel (the inhabitants of Jerusalem above on earth) were mercilessly persecuted as FORETOLD (Mathew 10:16-23; 24:9; John 16:1-3; Galatians 4:29). How did the persecution get started?
John, the beloved apostle of Jesus was shown this “Jerusalem above”, God's “woman”, and how it was persecuted at the hands of God's enemies (Revelation 12:1-17).
The apostles had constantly FORETOLD the great apostasy after their death. They even said that it was working in secret during their day (2Thess. 2:7; 2:1-3; 1Corinth 1:10-13; 15:12; 2Tim. 2:16-18; 1John 2:18,19; Revelation 2:6; 2:14-20 ). But the apostles constituted the restraint (Acts 20:29, 30; Rom. 16:17-19; 2John 1:9-11).
When the last apostle disappeared from the face of the earth, the foretold great apostasy flourished all over the world. The Gentiles outnumbered the true believers and conquered spiritual Israel into SPIRITUAL captivity. False doctrines started to be taught in the churches of APOSTATE Christianity including the immortality of the soul, eternal torment, indulgences, the prayer through the dead, the images, the sun worship, etc. Those who stood up for the TRUTH were ruthlessly persecuted. Thus “Jerusalem” and its “temple” SANCTUARY were “TRAMPLED UPON” for 1260 years as FORETOLD at Revelation 11:1-3.
However, in 1844, Jesus CAME. Where and why did He come? He came to the “temple” SANCTUARY to cleanse it and to chase away those who defiled it, the Gentiles or APOSTATE christians. He also came for the INVESTIGATIVE judgment on the “house of God” (Mal. 3:1-3). Just as Jesus came to CLEANSE the earthly temple SANCTUARY in Jerusalem in 31 C.E., and chased those religious leaders who defiled it and judged the nation (Matthew 21; 23), He also came and CLEANSED the heavenly TEMPLE sanctuary in Jerusalem above (Revelation 11:1-3).
Just as a remnant of FLESHLY Jews was delivered from Babylon starting from 536 B.C.E. (Isaiah 10:20-23) AFTER Jerusalem had been trampled upon in Babylon for 70 years, so did Jesus deliver a REMNANT from spiritual Babylon in 1844, when Babylon the Great experienced a spiritual fall (Revelation 14:8). This REMNANT that EMERGED from Babylon the Great or spiritual “wilderness” (Revelation 12:6, 14) came to be later known as the SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH (Revelation 10:1-11).
God bless you, Valda!
God bless the Remnant church....The Adventist church by the grace of God will finish strong
All I see in your understanding of Galatians about the gospel show you are ignorant of the writings of Paul.@@AcademyApologia
God bless you, if a so-called prophet's prophesy doesn't come to pass, that is the sure sign that person is a false prophet, period! The Word of God is all we need to learn of God. I pray your testimony touches many.
Amen and Ellen White can be proven a false teacher and false prophet.
Hello beloved❤️ I just got married to an Adventist and I’ve been struggling with this so much😭 I loved my church so much (TACSA) but my husbands church feels so different and I don’t understand all the rules😭 plus I don’t feel the Holy Spirit when I’m there… it feels stagnant and yoh I’m going through it😭 but I’m praying God guides me and my husband in this.🙏
When you left adventism where did you go which church did you join?
Church of Christ, body of christ
Thank you for posting this. You touched on almost everything that I have gone through over the last 10-15 years. Unfortunately, my wife of 32+ years has become even more entrenched in the teachings of the SDA church and Ellen White and life has become somewhat difficult. We can't even talk about the Bible anymore.
Blessings to you!
Sounds like a good woman. Regardless, it's simple, The Ten Commandments are covered by The Blood sacrifice, the book of law is discretionary because we are all of the priesthood. It's that simple. So if she wants to hold on to the book of law, then I highly recommend she consider Messianic Judaism which is actually under SDA as well, otherwise she's getting sucked into the temptation of not heating to biblical wisdom and it's fullest.
Pray and ask the Lord to lead your home. Put Him at the center of your home. Be patient with your wife and pray for her. The Lord will listen to you and give you understanding. Bless.
@@RomanPaganChurch Christians are saved by grace through faith, NOT by following the Law.
That was happening when I went to another one of their SDA seminar meetings, people were asking questions on sheets of paper and SDA ignored several questions by NOT answering them. At almost the end of this time period (1994 to 2001), I had seen several errors such as SDA getting a letter from RCC to come back to her as SDA observing pagan feasts as well as contradictions from Ellen G. White as SDA contradictions from the Bible. That's why I went to God about the contradictions that SDA has, God called me out of SDA Church and into the Living Church of God. Make sure you check them out along with their informative site Tomorrow's World.
How come it's good women, when u cant even talk about God, and she is like dead spiritually? @@RomanPaganChurch
I’m a former Adventist as well. Everything you said was spot on. I now attend a Sunday church . My church now is filled with the love of Jesus.
Except it's not spot on and there isn't a church without Apostasy... Paul himself gave us many examples.
Amen
church is church, be part of Christ church
No church is perfect but never forget those who are and will be saved are the ones that keep the commandments of God and faith of Jesus. Rev14:12
Sunday church lol. Breaking the command God said to remember smh
Thank you, Tinoe, for the opportunity to join the discussion. Like you, I grew up as an Adventist. Our religious map worked well at some point in the local setting. After new situation appeared that map ceased to satisfy us. That is natural. Nonetheless, our former spiritual community is to be cherished just as we cherish our kindergarten teacher. I could be wrong, though.
Spiritual revelation is totally different from academical and other experience
Glad to take your place.
Congratulations to being set free. Jesus found you didn't he? Continue to share so more may be delivered. I to am a former member of multiple generations of sda. You are sharing this very clearly. Thank you. Lord bless and keep you
I'm afraid the path She's talking about leads others far from God.
I am a humble Adventist🙏
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
@@AcademyApologia 3 angels message is found in the Bible, though.
@@aikamatsunaga1678 What is wrong with Adventists? You tell me this doctrine is in the bible and they you refuse to cite the bible? Adventism is a bible desert! No let me help. Adventists like to cite Rev. 14:6 and the phrase "everlasting gospel" as though this explains everything. This 2 word phrase explains nothing, but these two words which are undefined.
The specific gospel messages of these three angels are not in Revelation 14. Below are some of the messages of these 3 angels sourced from the 28 Beliefs book and the Discipleship Handbook:
*3 angels gospel messages*
*1st angel* -Fear God, worship the Creator, Hour of His judgment has arrived, attention to the 4th commandment, message against Darwinism, Restoration of God’s Holy Law
*2nd angel* -Babylon are apostate religions, Heretical teachings, Babylon falls because she rejects the 1st angels message, Many Protestants have departed from the great Bible truths of the Reformation,
*3rd angel* -True and False worship, the true and false gospel, Reject the Sabbath and choose to worship on Sunday, with the full knowledge of it is not God’s appointed day or worship, will receive the Mark of the Beast.
For example, where in the Bible can I find as the gospel message for Christians to warn people of the false message of evolution popularized by Charles Darwin as the Adventist first angel did in his gospel message?
@@AcademyApologia
While I am terrible at explaining things as I am not a theologian, the interpretation of Revelation 14:7 is due to it being linked to the sabbath commandment.
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Notice that out of the 10 commandments, only this commandment recognizes God's creatorship of heaven, earth and sea.
@@aikamatsunaga1678 Thank you for the reply and I too am not a theologian. But look at my previous comment. I listed the gospel messages of each of the Adventist 3 gospel angels as well as my sources. All I simply ask is for a bible reference to any of these angel messages where they are taught as the gospel:
The specific gospel messages of these three angels are not in Revelation 14. Below are some of the messages of these 3 angels sourced from the 28 Beliefs book and the Discipleship Handbook:
*3 angels gospel messages*
*1st angel* -Fear God, worship the Creator, Hour of His judgment has arrived, attention to the 4th commandment, message against Darwinism, Restoration of God’s Holy Law
*2nd angel* -Babylon are apostate religions, Heretical teachings, Babylon falls because she rejects the 1st angels message, Many Protestants have departed from the great Bible truths of the Reformation,
*3rd angel* -True and False worship, the true and false gospel, Reject the Sabbath and choose to worship on Sunday, with the full knowledge of it is not God’s appointed day or worship, will receive the Mark of the Beast.
For example, where in the Bible can I find as the gospel message for Christians to warn people of the false message of evolution popularized by Charles Darwin as the Adventist first angel did in his gospel message?
I’ve noticed these cult like religions believe they have some special revelation that separates them from others. It usually starts with someone having a vision or hearing a voice .
Right you are. Adventism is no different than Mormonism and Islam who also had visionary prophets.
I was born Adventist, got married to a non Adventist. My in-laws insisted me to join them but I stood for the truth that I was taugjt and I am still in church.
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
I really love listening to you speak ❤️. I actually had a similar experience, but with the evangelical Christian church .. I was taught my whole life that the commandments of God were done away with . That the church replaced Israel, which is replacement theology...Sunday keeping ,the holidays... All baptized paganism... Not to sound harsh, I love my many brothers and sisters in the faith.... But I stopped celebrating the Roman Catholic holidays and started honoring Sabbath... It's been amazing 😍, The traditions of man was what Jesus rebuked the pharisees for.... I was devastated when I found this out.... just as you were also.... I can relate. I think the most important thing is to keep growing. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater but don't get stuck on traditions of men..... Love God the way He says in His word. I now focus on some home groups, I keep Sabbath and follow the commandments as best I can. We are saved by faith and faith alone however I do desire to please the father... I read in John 14:15 Jesus said that if you love me you keep my commandments.... It's all about your motive. I want to obey and follow yeshua... I also felt my eyes were opened when I understood differently. My friends at church called me a judaizer and could not understand..... So I want to encourage you to just continue to read and learn ....our theology should develop and grow ... I ask a lot of questions... The Lord continues to guide. Another perspective to look into for study in the messianic Jewish faith. We must remember that Jesus was Jewish, so the idioms and understanding in His Word give new revelation when read through this perspective. They also, have much wisdom. I mostly listen to messianic rabbis, and a handful of preacher's from different Christian denominations ..... The Lord is purifying His bride... Stay close to Him, always pray for discernment and wisdom. Blessings ❤️
You can choose to live under and in obedience to the “obsolete” Old Testament law (Heb. 8:13), but in doing so you are under a “curse” (Gal 3:10-11). I choose not to live under the "ministry of death carved in letters of stone" (II Cor. 3:7) as you so proudly declare. Enjoy the curse of choosing to live under the ministry of death while following an obsolete covenant.
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Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Galatians 3:10-11 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."
2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end
@@AcademyApologia I'm so sorry you were offended by my post. I love following my father's instructions... If I were not following his law of love I would be a lawless one... I do believe in Hebrews it is speaking of the new priesthood... With yeshua officiating... And in Galatians 3:10-11 it says that if you Do Not keep on doing everything written in the scroll of the Torah" I do not depend on works to save me. Yeshua is my Messiah.... I honor God by obeying him with my whole heart as best I can.
@@AcademyApologia and also in 2 Corinthians 3:7 the Torah was written on stone, but the spirit has now written it on our hearts by the power of the ruach... He empowers us to obey by giving us a new heart as it speaks of in Ezekiel 11:19..... Father wrote His Torah, His instructions on our heart... If the Torah was abolished (Matthew 5:17) then are we allowed to murder? Covet? Dishonor our parents? No. The law that I think you are speaking of is the law of sin and death... Not the Torah. It's the law of love..... And it tells us how to love God, the first 5 commandments and how to love your neighbor, the last 5. Being Kosher is God's instructions on food... many sicknesses disappear when we stop eating the animals that clean the Earth . The Sabbath is to spend with Him a whole day just you and Him! It's my favorite day of the week. Just a different perspective. I hope you have a great weekend, shalom... 🙏
@@amystewart1433 her writings moved you? Have you actually read the Bible? Many of her writings do not line up with scripture. For instance, she wrote in one of her books that Jesus had older siblings which is false. I'll have to come back and leave a reference but she definitely said that. Jesus did not have older brothers because the Bible clearly says Mary was a virgin! EGW has added to the Bible.
@@no1specialtoyou789 I'm not sure I understand what you mean? I am not a SDA, I do not follow EGW writings..
Thank you for your beautiful testimony dear sister. I hope and pray that the Lord will save many more brethren from SDA 🙏🏻
Amen very true I feel the same church must be a place with love
Such a beautiful testimony. Do you have any advice for a Christian being married to an Adventist? And how to navigate an inter faith marriage? I’d love to hear your thoughts
She may not reply to you directly as she gets lots and lots of comments, but we can discuss if you like
As an ex Adventist, I can appreciate the difficulties you have been through and the hard choices to make in standing solely on the Word of God. I would (if I may) urge caution in putting your personal experience on such a public platform... when I discovered the serious errors, and they are serious in Adventist doctrines, I wanted to tell everyone I could.. the Lord led me to understand the parable of the wheat and tares....the field is not the church, its the whole world...truth and error have been mixed everywhere...in trying to sincerely root out the error (tares) it can cause the destabilising of the wheat also...the Lord knows where His faithful are throughout this world...many are caught up in systems of error but they are still children of Faith according to the knowledge they have....many have access to greater truth but it makes no effect in changing the heart.... if we move unwisely in trying to point out error, we can uproot these precious ones leaving them without hope....the Lord counsels to let His angels do that work of separating....we are commissioned to share the Gospel...uplift the crucified and risen Saviour in word and by our lives...and be ready for when such precious ones are led to us seeking more.... pointing out error so broadly on a social media platform can lead to the destabilising of others which an account has to be given...I pray you will consider this as you continue on your journey with the Lord...
I feel sorry to know you are an ex Adventist too.
@@eileenlakra3304 please do not feel sorry, I may no longer be an Adventist but I am still a child of God, accepted in the beloved as you are. Continue to remain strong in Jesus always 🙏🏾
@@eileenlakra3304 maybe you should feel sorry for your lost relatives rather
I regret the days I spent in that supposedly church.
I totally understand but thank God you are now free from this non-Christian religion.
So true. So true
Revelation 14:8 (KJV) And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Revelation 14:9-12 (KJV) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
@@ricardoleslie9811 The sda are stuck in certain verses in revelation
When you do NOT rightly divide scriptures you make a mess of the word of God.
Revelation is mostly to the remnant of Jews and God will keep His promises and everlasting covenant with THAT remnant
Please what was there about the state of the dead?
You should be proud that you are born Adventist. You see, you were blessed because of the Adventist background.
Hi Tinoe
What a beautiful and powerful testimony my sister. 🙌🏾 Ellen White's plagiarized doctrines/biblical writings are accorded equal status to that of the Bible by the *SDAs* , as inspired. That is no different to Joseph Smith's *Latter Day Saints'* book of Mormon. The cultic Charles Taze's *Watch Towers* (with their twisted Bible) with their many failed prophecies are also a product of deception from the kingdom of darkness.
We pray for the salvation of these millions of souls.
*Deuteronomy 18:21-22*
21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken.
There you have it!! It is conclusive proof that these three cults are false religions, not even denominations!! It takes the Spirit of God to convict them of the lies they have fed at these cults. Ours is to pray for them to receive God's mercy and revelation of the truth.
*1 Timothy 2:12*
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.
Why did Ellen White overlook this clear biblical instruction? That in itself was a doctrinal red flag to Seventh Day Adventism.
Thank you for your courage and compassion for God's people Tinoe. The Lord richly bless you.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Sister are you sure you are putting God first in your life? Deny yourself and take up your cross . Following Jesus is not about self .
Lady,
I speak of 30 (wasted) years of SDA experience. Listening to your story... I cry in my heart... Mam you did the correct thing! Your comments on Abraham, Galatians, Investigative judgement , etc. My story - more or less the same..( I wasn't born SDA.)
Praise the LORD ♥️
Being an SDA, an evangelical, a nondenominational, a Catholic, a Presbyterian, etc., will never save you or anyone. Because of the precious blood of Jesus, we are only saved by grace through faith. It is only our relationship with Jesus, as evidenced by the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives, that we are saved.
I am also a 4th generation SDA. My story has plenty of ups and downs in it as well. So, In many ways I can relate to your story. With that said, I’ve always known it was not my religion that would save me but the blood of Jesus.
I’m sorry your experience involved such a warped and misplaced emphasis on Mrs. White. This has always bothered me as well. I will not go so far as to say she was a false prophet, but she has been misused and misplaced. Frankly, I think she would be disgusted herself if she knew how some people have abused her writings.
Unfortunately church politics are all too real. Truth is, they exist in every church and every denomination to some extent. No doubt, some churches are worse than others.
May God bless you! 🙏🏼
You Preach right there. Why people always leave SDA because what people do or not do. Our example should be Jesus Christ. She is lying. You don’t need to accept Ellen White teaching before you get baptized. She said the Bible should be the only source of sola Scripture. She just wrote additional materials because she was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Not a false prophet you say ?
huh .....Yeah okay, she said she went to Saturn and saw Enoch walking around she said the seal of believers is the ten commandments when clearly in the New Testament the Seal of the Believers is the Holy Spirit . Therefore she blasphemed the Holy Spirit because it is written with the law comes the curse, therefore making the Spirit, a curse,
so yeah , keep following Ellen G White see where that gets you sister
You are correct it is ONLY the blood of Jesus that saves us it is ONLY our personal relationship with God that matters not any denomination. You believe God's word not the words of Ellen White some SDA believe more in Mrs. Whites teachings than the Bible and that's a shame and dangerous her prophecies have been proven false the Bible says if a prophet prophesied and it did not come to pass than they are a false prophet and not send by God. Every prophet of God prophesied and it came true to ev cgt every word spoken because they were sent by God. Think about that
@@patriciaramirez4257 Curious… have you read any of Mrs. White’s books from cover to cover? Have you read the Desire of Ages or Steps to Christ or the Great Controversy? Or any others?
Also curious, can you specifically name one of Mrs. White’s prophecies that did not come to pass? Just name one please.
Truth does not exist in every church. The Adventists and others teach a Jesus not found in the bible:
DIFFERENT JESUS, ARCHANGEL JESUS
*Christian Science:* Jesus is the “Way-shower” who shows us that Christ Conscientious indwells everyone. Jesus is not part of the Triune God head and all is mya or illusion.
*Adventism:* Jesus is known as Michael the Arch Angel and he has a silver trumpet. Jesus did not die on the cross for sins, but departed heaven in 1844 and went to the Sanctuary and began a work of judging believers. Those who worship on Sunday receive the Mark of the Beast. They are the “remnant” church and therefore the only true church.
*Jehovah Witness:* Jesus is not God, but a created being (Michael the Arch Angel). He is known as “a god.” He did not die on a cross, he died on a torture stake.
*Mormonism:* Jesus is the Spirit brother of Lucifer and not God. Jesus was born when Elohim (the god of this plant) came down and had sex with Mary. There is no Trinity and Elohim is god.
*Islam:* Jesus was a prophet similar to all past prophets. He is not God and there is no Trinity. Confessing believe that Jesus is God is to make “partners with God” and it is the unforgivable sin.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 ESV (3) But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (4) For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
Talk truth girl
such a woman of God. respect!
Matthew 13:57 (KJV) ~ "And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house."
It's so ironic that the Holy Spirit brought you to me this day!!!!
Although I'm no prophet, this verse has been ringing in my head for days! And I believe, after hearing your testimony, I know why!
Exchange the word witness/disciple for the word prophet in that verse.
Now, think about the overall reactions that you've experienced. From those who you thought loved and respected you. Surprising? Disappointing? Hurtful?
Yet talk to a total stranger, someone who's never known you, and the reaction is completely different!
Because regardless of whether they accept what you share with them, or don't, they won't SHAME you or RECOIL from you as though you're a leper!
Or judge you as though you've offended or attacked them!
And therein lies the difference.
I'm feeling the same thing right now.
My family all think I'm crazy since Jesus called me out of my (many) other delusions and dove straight, and exclusively, into His Word.
My life hasn't been the same since.
All I hear now is how "smart" I am (usually they say "used to be").
How could I "fall for such fables" as creation or the flood or the resurrection?
How I'm "wasting" my "talents" in my (albeit painstaking but most worthwhile!) pursuit to serve God.
Nobody wants to hear me talk about God, my testimony or the Bible!
Or, incidentally and mathematically😉, how, statistically speaking, it simply IS the true, accurate, whole and preserved Word of God!
Period!
(I was a math, data and computer guru in my former life - now trying to figure out HOW to maybe use my God-given brain, education and skills to serve and glorify Him.)
Anyway, today was a very bad day. I really needed to hear this message from a perspective such as you've described.
Because it tells me that I'm not alone, it's gonna be hard, fellowship (outside of the familiar) is critical, and most of, to stop feeling sorry for myself!
So thank you!
You've got a new subscriber.
Oh, and though I'm not an Adventist, I have been listening to a lot of Walter Veith, who's got some great stuff.
But the whole of Adventism isn't the answer.
So thank you on 2 counts and God bless!