Lol I was done with this short after the second time. I just watched it 3 more times because of that guys laugh 😅😂 I didn’t catch it before. That’s a funny laugh.
@@joeyhauser4545 my thoughts exactly 😂 actually my first thought was that he's probably on some kind of medication. I had a friend on k-pins and he always had a bit of a lag in his speech.
This isn't really acting, lots of movies have people speaking a certain language just as a way to avoid subtitles. Edit: wait actually on a second thought, if the people he interacted with in the movie didn't know Russian then it's a plot hole and is valid criticism.
Its so stupid, it just ruins the atmosphere, imagine if in indiana jones germans talked english, lol. I mean, most movie makers makes villain to talk in his native language with his boys BUT he'll also talk english with protagonists so THEY can understand him. It emerges atmosphere of the movie, the villain talks english not to make viewer 100% understand him, but to make protagonist understand him. So those new marvel movies are just stupid writing, thats all.
I think is not that the point, I think that if he’s speaking in Russian he shouldn’t have any accent at all because he’s speaking in his native language, we perceive English but they’re speaking in Russian for all the time
To be fair i prefer them having this "english" version rather than hear a supposedly "native speaker" talk the language, but having a horrible accent. Personally it really confused me a lot to hear Gus from breaking bad speak spanish because it's obviously not native and i couldn't tell if the character was supposed to be a native speaker
@@anastasiafriar1808 No, it's not. Most actors could learn lines of another language and also make it sound authentic, it's just faster and cheaper to just let them say the lines in English.
To be fair lots of other languages a pretty hard to imitate properly let alone learn. Not to mention if you dont do it right there will be plenty of annoying people prattling about how the actor butchered the lines and stuff
ngl they’re good at russian accents but I genuinely cannot understand what they’re saying in some parts ( can’t blame the actors probably got very little preparation)
true story, guys! here’s one more Russian native been speaking english for the whole life🤝🏼 but the secret to be revealed: we use “babushka” instead of “granny”.☝🏼
@@T11paraplegic alright then I’ll give you this, my parents are from the former Soviet Union. Their first languages are Russian so they always speak to me in Russian. My first language is English and my Russian isn’t great so I still understand them but respond in English. It’s just weird to not speak your first language if you’re with someone who understands you.
@I Just Wanna Talk About Games 🤔 Then it isn't the lowest form if it's above a couple of other forms. To be the lowest form, it has to be rock-bottom under horror and porn. (See Ms Fairbach, I did listen to you during fifth-grade Language Arts class!! 😁)
@I Just Wanna Talk About Games you're seriously going to insinuate someone getting their back blown out by a TV repairman while their husband is at work isn't good cinema?
Him having a Russian accent isn't just about he's in Russian but also he was a spy in US, so if he had an accent he'd be unfit for the job. He shouldn't have an accent.
What's even weirder is he's speaking fluent English in the beginning when they're living in America, but then switches to the Russian accent later down the line
Perhaps it signifies that he is speaking Russian but it's translated for the audience. Thus the accent is letting us know he is actually speaking Russian? Don't know. Haven't seen it, lol
Yeah, i often go up to my family in mexico like "yo what up fam" and they speak back in english with the little subtitle at the end saying "how are you cuz :in spanish"
Because Shang Chi is a better movie then Widow circus😂Even actor admitted it was a dumb idea in the first place.As a Russian I can say it's not the first movie with Russian who doesn't speak Russian(First was From Russia with love where 2 "Soviet" women spoke in English 😆) but it was 60 years ago not a few😂
I think Inglourious Basterds is a great example of a movie where everyone speaks their own language. It just makes it more genuin in my opinion. Also, you're missing out on so many awesome foreign movies if you're put off by subtitles. Though for me it's easier to cope with subtitles since English spoken movies are also foreign to me, so I'm already very much used to it.
Disney, Marvel, Netflix are the peak of Hollywood sh*t. Tarantino on the other hand still has some character. But you can't expect anything from Hollywood. Their movies are targeted for the American brain. Monolingual, sh*t fed consumers. Just disgusting
Yes this is a great example. I think most directors just dont think about it, David is really smart. If the director really thinks about it you can even have a scene where characters that speak different languages speak english in the movie and when they meet in the movie they both speak english but dont understand each other. Dont have a great example of the top of my head but ive Seen it done good.
True but you can't compare an arthouse-like Tarantino movie with a intentionally dumbed down marvel blockbuster. It's a question of expectation (in case of the audience) and courage to challenge that expectation (in case of the producers). If you watch a Tarantino movie you expect to watch a cineastic piece of art. Like a trip to an art gallery. If you watch a marvel movie you expect to join a rollercoaster ride with some popcorn. Maybe some day, producers will get so ballsy to just try out a mesh-up. Maybe Tarantino will direct a Star Wars movie, maybe Samuel Jackson will return as motherfucking Mace Windu, who tells what a bantha burger is called on Tattooine. But until that glorious day there will be a somewhat separation between these parts of movie industry... especially because Tarantino doesn't consider Marvel movie stars as actual movie stars.
I love that there’s finally one actor who is exactly like us as a movie audience. This is exactly my logic when I go to see movies yes I know it doesn’t really work for the general viewing audience but it’s still the most logical viewing experience 😂
I’m the same way, and I honestly wish I wasn’t. The one that gets me is typically action movies. For example, and I think a lot of people hate this one” is when an actor is holding a 6 shot revolver, and somehow shoots 20 bullets without ever reloading.
@@Ninandathral suspension of disbelief only works when you abide to the rules of the world you set up. At the end of a day, it’s a fake world so you can do whatever you want but suspension of disbelief works the best when you stick to the set of rules you set.
Japanese character speaking English in Japanese accent to a Japanese man in Japan... I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME! I THOUGHT I'M THE ONLY ONE CRINGING OVER IT. At least Matt Damon's "The Great Wall", Chinese people speak Mandarin to fellow Chinese and they speak English to the only three white people in the movie.
@@yuililith YES! I watch alot a kdramas, and they sometimes lie to chinese people saying their also from china but their speaking korean w no accent or anything to the chinese persona dn they never question it!!🤣🤣
Мы тоже так делаем в своих фильмах) Мушкетёры французы, но говорят на русском. Шерлок Холмс англичанин - также на русском. Это нормально, ведь фильмы для русской аудитории с русскими актёрами. Правда, к счастью, без английского и французского акцента! Вот это было бы странно)
@@funinvestorно мы делаем это с учетом того, что в рамках рассматриваемой вселенной этот человек говорит только на своем нативном(родном) языке не разговаривая на других языках. А в киновселенной марвел мы знаем, что Наташа Романофф и русские агенты знают и разговаривают много языков, но со своими по логике они могли разговаривать на русском.
@@funinvestor, мы так не делаем. Либо все в фильмах говорят на русском, с пониманием, что это типо истории переведённой на русский, и пониманием, что в реальности там все должны говорить на языке той страны..., либо, если в фильме представители разных стран, то они со своими соотечественниками говорят на своём языке с дубляжом. Говорить по-английски с русским акцентом с другими русскими в России - реально бред.
I don't mind subtitles at all. My wife & I saw "Run Lola Run" in the theater. We brought a friend of mine (who's idea it was to see the movie in the first place). At the very first subtitle my friend stands up "I'm out. i'll be at the bar across the street."😂 He missed a good movie 😮
Not needed, we are all aware of what russian sounds like. In other countries they do the same thing so it is no big deal. It makes sense to have English especially for streaming so you can turn away from the screen and still follow the conversation
It’s like when Bong Joon-Ho won his Oscars and said, “Once you overcome the one inch tall barrier of subtitles, you will be introduced to so many more amazing films.” It would be nice for these films to at least take the time to explain why these characters are deciding to conveniently speak the audience’s language
I think one of the best decisions taken in this space is what they did with Valkyrie. German soldiers and officials but they said no, the whole thing is in English, no accents, we're not here to mimic or make fun or reduce this as a movie. Thought that was excellent and didn't affect the movie in the negative at all
@@randomdaveUK i think thaat's a good way to go about it. Either all in with the authentic languages or being upfront about it being english only, no attempts at accents, so that people don't have to potentially do a horrid one.
EXACTLY. Just like watching Anime with Subtitles. Not just because it's in their language but because the dialog is literally different 99.9999999% of the time Like in Inuyasha. Sesshomaru calls Inuyasha a vile half-breed bstrd. In the English version he only calls him vile, half-breed, etc. Whole dialogs are literally CUT OUT Plus, the fighting scenes are cut shorter, made less bloody, etc. You miss like 60% of the show. But....In the subs? Everything is as it was when it was aired in it's home country. But...That's only if you go online to watch Subs.
I was thinking abt this! + for me, personally, I love when the actors talk in the language they're "supposed" to. So if they are Russian and are in Russia, they talk Russian. Or if they are Spanish people living in Spain then they talk Spanish. It always confuses me when a film is set in (e.g.) France and there is "no connection" to another country, but still they all speak English throughout the entire film... Like, let the actors speak their (probably) native language and their acting will be positively affected by that as well!
They should have let him speak perfect English, and then for a moment swap over to just some random enemies perspective and he's speaking thick Russian. Just showing that Natasha is translating for us so we can understand what he's saying but in reality he's been speaking Russian this whole time.
@kittyboy7738 true, she isn't telling the story, however schema systems in movies allow the protagonist to do that stuff, she isn't telling a story, but she can have a narrative capability to understan languages, and be able to reinterpret them into other languages.
this makes complete sense, since if he is supposed to be speaking russian and everyone is just speaking english instead, the flawless russian should be translated into flawless english. its like watching a movie in a different language than the OV and have that version have OV accent.
This is actually a good point 😂 And it’s backed up by the fact that in Stranger Things, the Russian characters only speak Russian when amongst other Russians Meanwhile, they speak English (if they can) to the American characters Hell, Harbour’s character speaks Russian when he’s in the Russian prison 😂
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That one makes more sense tho because that's a battle cry so it being in a foreign common language isn't that weird. It could've started out as a show of pride towards other nations or something
@@MarineTanuki and also we don’t know how would they say it in the native tongue so maybe they are saying in the native tongue it just sounds like English
@@MarineTanuki how isn't it weird xd it's like Italy going to war with France, and their battle cry is "Italy forever" in German. Aren't battle crys suppose to be for your soldiers? Why not in their language xd weird would be saying it in a foreign language
NO CAUSE HE'S RIGHT. If we'll be watching it in English, there might as well not be an accent because we'll be watching it like it's dubbed- because storywise, he'd be speaking Russian.
@@strannik_dogdia Sadly, I can't read Russian so idk if you're agreeing with me or explaining something or calling me names 😅 But either way, have a great day :))
What's funny is they wouldn't have any accent. Because as a spy who lived in US for so long you'd have American accent or pretend to have American accent while speaking perfect English.
What’s funny is he kind of popped up out of nowhere in the equalizer. You agree ya? I can’t think of him in anything before that. And he’s right I hate when people are in their native country in a movie but speak English.
it would make sense if they were all speaking with a Russian accent, to indicate that they were speaking in Russian, but with Natasha speaking with an American accent? nah
@@magnadelusor4249 but she lived in Russia (among Russians, at least) up until Budapest. That would be plenty of time for her to speak Russian fluently, as a native. Remember, her first scene in Avengers was her posing as a Russian so as to get in with an arms dealer. She wouldn't have been able to do so with American ascended Russian.
What I like about this is that this indicates he would be willing to memorize Russian dialogue with the right pronunciation just to make it authentic. He would prefer to put in that extra work for it which I don’t think many actors would want to do. That itself is a sign of him being a great actor who takes his work seriously!
Or (and I don’t disagree with you, but…) he is indicating that he would be ok with having all his lines over-dubbed (by a professional voice actor who speaks perfect Russian, or a native Russian speaker)
What makes even less sense is that as a spy, he learned the American accent so he could be undercover but talks like he's learned English through duolingo
I prefer not having subtitles, if I wanted subtitles I would go read a book. I am not saying they don’t work for some movies cause they certainly do for foreign films. This is an American made film, no one other then a hand full of people wants to watch an American movie in Russian with English subtitles. Sure the argument above is that it’s more immersive with subtitles, but for me it makes no difference on immersion. All they do is take my eyes off the movie to read.
never thought I'd see the day a Hollywood actor actually called out the anglican-ization practice of Hollywood!! tHANK YOU, DAVID! This is why Shang-Chi was so special to me - the entire first 10 minutes was in Mandarin...do y'all realize how rare that is in a Hollywood movie??
that was made to appeal Chinese audience. Big companies like Disney do this a lot, because it's a money cow. Russia on the other hand is not that profitable, so no one cares.
I imagine not as rare in China. You say "anglican-ization" like it's some sort of evil conspiracy or something though. There's nothing wrong with an american movie for an american audience (who speak majority english) to have characters speaking english. I'm sure it's fairly common in china that american characters speak mandarin/cantonese and I know lots of Japanese media has americans speaking fluent Japanese. In black widow it makes sense and doesn't make sense for his character to speak Russian if the main character (or Surrogate character which doesn't have to be the main character) knows what he's saying then there's no reason to obfuscate it, subtitles can make more sense but that kinda depends on how much he talks to have people watching for half the movie and reading for the other doesn't make sense in a visual medium. If Natalia's russian isn't perfect anymore it makes logical in movie sense for him to just speak english. If a character isn't supposed to understand what the russian character is saying it should not be translated in any way. it's simple. Yes it's funny that Hollywood does this thing where germans either speak english with an accent or just straight up queen's english but expecting an american movie to force most of their audience, whom they made the movie for, to read subtitles for more than a few minutes makes as much sense in film as a character speaking the audience's language with an accent. from the sounds of it in shang chi they made the decision to open the movie with mandarin which is cool and fun actually but had the sensibility to make sure the audience wasn't reading half their movie even in instances where the main character didn't need to speak english.
That's the reason why I really apreciate Inglorious Bastards. Tarantino didn't take the easy road, he searched for actors from europe to play characters from their respective countries/speaking their respective languages (which showed the world talent of Christopher Waltz and thank god it happened). Also some characters were bilingual, some of them weren't. And if they were speaking the other language, you could tell that this isn't their main one. It wasn't the perfect world where everyone spoke language that was needed at the time. I'm not even talking about how important this "language game" was for the whole plot.
@@ProcyonProduction It's not a conspiracy. Why do they speak English in America, Barmahas, South Africa, Australia etc? Countries export culture and America is at the forefront exporting American exceptionalism all the time. So is China, and so is North Korea, but no one has as far a reach as America. That isn't necessarily bad but since the art of movie making has become an industry movies have become so tasteless. It's just colours and shapes on a screen, so seeing people actually put time and effort into a movie, like actually doing research on different cultures, having actors learn new shit or speak a different language is awesome which this whole thing is about. It's about acting like film making is an art or an industry, at least for me.
There's actually an even more ridiculous language-related plot-hole. Yelena learned English as a child in Ohio, and had an American accent when she was recruited. The Red Room then spent the rest of her childhood, feeding her American media But in that time, Yelena somehow lost her original accent and gained a Russian one
That’s why in the show 1899, I’m so happy that when people speak their own language they do so with subtitles. It just makes it so much more authentic.
I'm from Spain, I'm watching 1899 in spanish and I'm tempted to watch it with the original audio because I want to know when the spaniard characters are talking in spanish or not.
@@Anirshu Te puedo asegurar que esos dos actores son españoles...y no lo podía creer. Porque siempre son primera generación o 3ra y se nota el acento ingles en su español.
@@lucianabacigalupo2505 Si los conozco xD por eso me quedé en plan "que hacen estos aquí... espera, son sus voces de verdad, no los ha doblao nadie más".
too be fair for 1899 the language barrier is a actual story element as some characters struggle to communicate since they can't speak one another's language. | In Black Widow there is never a issue with language between the characters. The only language barrier would be between the characters talking and the audience.
1. He is completely right. Logically, they should all be speaking russian. 2. but since it's an American blockbuster they should just speak English without "russian" accents. 3. also like. they are international super spies. they shouldn't have a heavy accent at all. why make us all suffer? the actors by doing the accent, the audience by listening to it. i hate it so much you have no idea
I think he has a point to an extent, he should speak Russian up until he meets back up with the girls where they talk English so he does it back Edit, Yes the girls are Russian, the point here is language, Natasha Is used to speaking English and does that commonly, so when she meets up with her dad that's when he should have stopped speaking Russian
@@SashaStowers It might've been their first language but they were both trained by the Red Room. They don't have a native language anymore - in the sense that there isn't a language that they're "better" at.
Biggest offender? Probably Stardust Crusaders. We have a 100 year old English vampire from the slums of London, a New Yorker, a French proletariat, 2 Japanese kids, and an Egyptian. The only one that makes sense is the Boston Terrier Iggy.
It makes me think of 'Allo 'Allo, an old British sitcom. The characters would all speak in English for the audience to understand, but they'd do it in a British, French, German, or Italian accent to indicate which language was being spoken. It was pretty ingenious as a comedic tool
'Allo 'Allo is absoluetly hilarious! And for my international friends: 'Allo 'Allo is very naas. The franch elping the Britiesh, ooh la la iz very gud 'Allo 'Allo is one of ze best show out zere.
I mean, it’s not like we watch American movies with subtitles. 🤪When I was a kid I used to think the whole world spoke Russian just because when my parents would say “let’s watch this French movie”, the actors still “spoke” Russian, just moved their lips weirdly hahaha
@@ari_jean I always listen to it as is and read the subtitles for foreign films. I also grew up in a large, loud household so I’m used to subtitles even in English.
@@gameon2000 они оба разговаривают на английском для того, чтобы это было понятно более широкой аудитории и такие как вы смогли сразу понять о чем идёт речь. То, что люди всесторонне развиты и могут коммуницировать друг с другом на разных языках не объясняет нелогичность момента про «русского, который в России говорит на английском с русским акцентом». btw, i also can speak English if I want to, but, honestly, I don’t wanna :)
@@georgeshomodi3498 No he's saying it makes no sense to give him a Russian accent because he's a Russian in Russia. Not that he should be speaking Russian in the movie
Kimmel seemed so United Statesian with his utter refusal to have any other language featured in a movie even if it's a character from other county in another country.
I think that was the joke lol, but patriotic humor is strange. It's like "Yeah we are aware of how dumb it sounds, but we're still going to cheer about it"
As a Russian native speaker, that's one of the things I love about Chernobyl series, where people sound natural, like actual people, not like some weird caricature.
The entire movie Florence Pugh has a Russian accent and as soon as filming stopped she had an English accent.. it's almost like ppl can pretend to have different accents lol
@@moses9647You miss the point, In story, all the characters were spies and could speak flawless english. They should have no issue speaking english with an american accent.
@@maximeteppe7627 my point is why would they use American accents when they're not undercover in America anymore. It would be like Florence Pugh continuing to speak in a Russian accent after filming wrapped. It's not crazy for them to revert to their natural accent. In fact it'd be weird if they didn't...
It’s what I said about Black Panther. For a society that isolated itself and takes great pride in its root, there is no reason why they would speaking English to one another. Which is why that one scene between T’Chaka and T’Chala is the best in the entire movie. They are speaking in their own language.
That’s always what got me with foreign characters in movies and it’s just like “oh yea everyone here just speaks English” and obviously that’s not the case
Well, I’m movies there is a convention/agreement where characters all speak the same language despite being from different countries for the benefit of the audience. What doesn’t make sense within this convention is for those characters to have an accent or other secondary characters actually speaking different languages. You can either have one or have several but you cannot mix. That’s the general gist but recently they keep breaking this convention. The German historical series Barbaren actually does a pretty good job solving this as every character speaks what they’re actually supposed to speak historically.
@@lorcostridge2811 I like it when characters actually speak their own language in shows and movies (when they’re in a position where there’s no need for English) it just makes more sense and feels more real
Also, when his character is living in the US he speaks with an American accent and then as soon as he gets back to Russia he starts speaking with a russian accent.
That's how it is for some multilingual folks, they learn a new language and start speaking in that accent, then when they go back, they're back to their original accent
Well… when I was studying English and speaking English every day I didn’t have an accent, now I totally have an Italian accent (also, my grammar got worse…)
US has never felt what it's like to have every movie available to you be in another language. we, smaller countries, see this as a norm and could watch a movie in any language if we have appropriate subtitles
I'm from the US and watch movies in other languages with subtitles. Hell, I even watch a majority of ours with subtitles. 😂 But obviously for two different reasons. But yeah, I get what you're saying.
@@sadflix8754 Many Americans are of British origins. I speak the same language as my ancestors. I have just as much of a claim to English as the English in England. Neither Americans or the English speak English the same way it has been spoken in the past either.
There’s so many movies that have two languages one English and one not and the subtitles are there!!! It makes it feel more real when you hear the actual countries language!!
Tokyo drift, most people speak japanese and the main character has to learn a little through the movie, the only ones speaking english are the ones that deal with the main character that are either from foreign country or they want to humilate the guy in english
I remember a few Stargate episodes where actors were having fun in Russian. They were saying things that viewers were not supposed to understand. For example, "Oh no, this is the monster from episode 14!" and "Now we can say whatever we like because nobody understands us". Right, except that the Stargate series was also popular on the "other side of the globe" where many people understand Russian :D
As a man from "the other side of the globe", let me tell you something, all english movies are dubbed before being shown on television, those funny moments are no exception, if I didn't speak English and encounter your comment I wouldn't have known this silly fact :)
@@arslanalimov I watched 'Iron Man' in Hungarian the first time, where the terrorists spoke Arabic. It really caught me off guard when I was watching the original and apparently the terrorists were speaking Hungarian all along. (Not very well, though, if I might add.)
Так-то дядька прав, если весь фильм он говорит на своём, то щачем вставлять сцену, где актёр будет мучаться, чтобы выговорить наши слова. Тем более я ещё ни разу не слышал, чтобы западный актёр верно произнёс выражение на русском языке 😮😂😂 всегда на смех пробивает, как это нелепо звучит 😂😂😂❤❤❤😂😂😂
Смешнее всего, когда этот персонаж живёт в Америке и говорит на чистейшем американском английском всю дорогу, но когда он в России, то продолжает говорить на английском, но уже с русским акцентом :DDD
В сериале "Американцы" про советских шпионов актеры говорят по русски неплохо (кроме главных героев), сотрудники посольства, например. Мне кажется там были американские русские евреи в кастинге.
@@uuuummm9 probably they meant the scene in the movie when two Russians had a conversation in English. like, why would you speak English, if you're both Russian
@@Alknix no, but it's a movie directed at young teens so let's not question why a Russian man is speaking English in his mother land when we see aliens all over the universe speaking English. In the grand scheme of things a Russian speaking English is way more plausible than aliens knowing English
I’ve had this point for so long. You either give them normal English as if you’ve translated it like they did in Chernobyl, or make them speak the native language like in narcos and give subtitles
also another thing you can do is make them speak their language than later make them speak english with accent when they suppose to speak english to somebody
I agree with David on this! For me, one of the biggest turn offs in the movie are when characters should be speaking another language, but the all speak perfect English somehow.
There’s a little clip from when Scarlet goes to Florence’s apartment and they meet for the first time as grown-ups and Florence piece a little bit of Russian but yeah I would’ve enjoyed more Russian interaction
Why would that be funny? Is it funny that most Australians only speak English? Or that 96% of Canadians speak only French or English? When you lave large areas of people who dont need to learn multiple languages in their daily lives to communicate ad get things they need you see people shifting to one language. Only 22% of Canadians speak only french and thats with their literal language police pushing french to keep it alive. If every state had a different language then you would see more milti lingual people in the us.
The real thing which doesn’t make sense is how when he’s undercover in America (which he has been for several years by this point) his accent is flawless but suddenly when we meet him again he’s lost it completely
@King Pop filming a movie and living for IN the country for several years is completely different. I don’t live in an English speaking country but I lost my accent completely
Accents, same as dialects can fluctuate. If you, for some reason, don't speak a language or dialect for a good while you'll most likely carry your current pronounciation into the way you speak.
“He’s Russian… In Russia”
That one dude in the crowd: HE HE HE
Lmao, dude knew right away where he was going with it before everyone else
Lol I was done with this short after the second time. I just watched it 3 more times because of that guys laugh 😅😂 I didn’t catch it before. That’s a funny laugh.
One day Russian in Russia sounds like a start of a racist joke.
It's Jimmy Fallon
It’s even worse: he was a spy in America who speak in perfect English the. Whole time 😂😂
The way he says 'It doesn't make sense!' it my favorite thing.
John Malkovich will blow your mind
Yea was about to say , he sounds exactly like John Malkovich lol
Reminds me of Chris Delia 🤣
@@joeyhauser4545 my thoughts exactly 😂 actually my first thought was that he's probably on some kind of medication. I had a friend on k-pins and he always had a bit of a lag in his speech.
Isn't that his russian accent?
A man who respects the craft of acting. Not many left like this!
So many people like this what are u on about
Bruh💀
Most are, tho
This isn't really acting, lots of movies have people speaking a certain language just as a way to avoid subtitles.
Edit: wait actually on a second thought, if the people he interacted with in the movie didn't know Russian then it's a plot hole and is valid criticism.
ahat?
"you don't have a Russian accent, but in this movie, you have a Russian accent."
Yes, Jimmy Fallon, it's called acting.
Kimmel
@@getthelyricsright3889 yeah I called him Fallon as an insult
He's Kimmel 💀😂😭
@@vashstampede4878sorry?? i’m pretty sure you’re insulting fallon by calling kimmel his name
@@2002stylan you're not wrong, I'm definitely insulting both of them.
This just made me respect him even more as a actor !💯
Why??
@@willsorry Don't bother, that guy's an NPC
@@willsorry perhaps because he respects a story thats grounded in reality
He was also a sleeper stationed in America...
an actor
The way he says “ He’s Russian… in Russia…” has me dying
He sounds like John Malkovich here, it's hilarious
@@YesJellyfish Damn - shifted my perspective hard. So true.
Felt like a hopper scene where he's bewildered talking to Joyce.
It’s even worse: he was a spy in America who speak in perfect English the. Whole time 😂😂
Не умирай. Всё будет хорошо.
A Russian in Russia speaking English with Russian Accent to another Russian - Complete Sense
😂😂
We just do it with English subtitles.
AHAHAHAHAHHA
We actually do that with my daughter sometimes, both Russian, but speak English fluently, just for fun of it! Lol
The logic of all Marvel movies😅
All aliens of the race know English perfectly, pfff oooh sure
He’s Russian speaking to other Russians in Russia, so the writers decided him to speak English?! The man’s got a point…
Its so stupid, it just ruins the atmosphere, imagine if in indiana jones germans talked english, lol. I mean, most movie makers makes villain to talk in his native language with his boys BUT he'll also talk english with protagonists so THEY can understand him. It emerges atmosphere of the movie, the villain talks english not to make viewer 100% understand him, but to make protagonist understand him.
So those new marvel movies are just stupid writing, thats all.
soviet spy who worked undercover in us for years has an accent. Marvel writers were really high while writing this
If he speaks Russian to Russians it should be in Russian Or in English but not in accent when English.
@@Akela_Gray_Wolfthere are a special school that can teach you a specific accent of any part of US.
I think is not that the point, I think that if he’s speaking in Russian he shouldn’t have any accent at all because he’s speaking in his native language, we perceive English but they’re speaking in Russian for all the time
Most actors can't even learn a few lines of another language these days. Respect to him for mentioning something few people care about
That is true
To be fair i prefer them having this "english" version rather than hear a supposedly "native speaker" talk the language, but having a horrible accent.
Personally it really confused me a lot to hear Gus from breaking bad speak spanish because it's obviously not native and i couldn't tell if the character was supposed to be a native speaker
@@anastasiafriar1808 No, it's not. Most actors could learn lines of another language and also make it sound authentic, it's just faster and cheaper to just let them say the lines in English.
To be fair lots of other languages a pretty hard to imitate properly let alone learn.
Not to mention if you dont do it right there will be plenty of annoying people prattling about how the actor butchered the lines and stuff
@@mrsweetkandy7673 I like in things like the hunt for red october where it's Russian, then it switches
Black Widow : *Fellow russians meet each other in Russia and starts speaking english.*
Typical
ngl they’re good at russian accents but I genuinely cannot understand what they’re saying in some parts ( can’t blame the actors probably got very little preparation)
@@kat2841 think that’s normal Russian accent like the way they say some things is very hard to understand and hear without subs anyways
Exactly
If it works it works , don't want you question how
-I want to hear your "logic”.
-A Russian should speak Russian.
-Nope!
thats really american people in a nutshell
It’s even worse: he was a spy in America who speak in perfect English the. Whole time 😂😂
Nice
@@ouss oh yeah thats right 😂
@@oussRussian Spys actully usaly learn to speak multiple languiges perfectly..
As a Russian I can confirm, we actually speaking Russian here
Edit: guys 5k likes? Холи щит
Naaah, man?! Are you kidding me?
@@Kovoron ok ok dude you caught me 🙌🏻 We speak English here, it’s our native language 🙂
@@dani_zi wtf maan, i am russian and i can assure all of you too, we only speak English in Russia. In fact, I know russian worse then English
As a Russian who lived in Russia for most of my life I mainly speak English 😅
true story, guys! here’s one more Russian native been speaking english for the whole life🤝🏼
but the secret to be revealed: we use “babushka” instead of “granny”.☝🏼
hold on … he’s onto something
Yeah it’s like jojo rabbit or the boy with striped pajamas having them speaking English
He's Russian who also speaks English. His English accent is Russia 👣
@@T11paraplegic yeah but that’s not the point, all their first languages are Russian so why wouldn’t they speak mostly Russian?
@@T11paraplegic alright then I’ll give you this, my parents are from the former Soviet Union. Their first languages are Russian so they always speak to me in Russian. My first language is English and my Russian isn’t great so I still understand them but respond in English. It’s just weird to not speak your first language if you’re with someone who understands you.
Yes, because being bilingual is just a silly myth
Meanwhile aliens in the MCU speaking English.
Ikr
hahah true
klingon enters the chat from star trek
Psychic abilities
With British accents
He sounds so in pain at the beginning when he's saying "It doesn't make any sense" Like he's fought hundreds of people on this subject
@I Just Wanna Talk About Games 🤔 Then it isn't the lowest form if it's above a couple of other forms. To be the lowest form, it has to be rock-bottom under horror and porn.
(See Ms Fairbach, I did listen to you during fifth-grade Language Arts class!! 😁)
@I Just Wanna Talk About Games you're seriously going to insinuate someone getting their back blown out by a TV repairman while their husband is at work isn't good cinema?
Him having a Russian accent isn't just about he's in Russian but also he was a spy in US, so if he had an accent he'd be unfit for the job. He shouldn't have an accent.
@Charles Ray do you feel good about yourself for repeating exactly what he just said?
@@Mythicalgoon Grammatically? Yes.
He is right - it's either he has to speak Russian with subtitles or speak English with no accent.
What's even weirder is he's speaking fluent English in the beginning when they're living in America, but then switches to the Russian accent later down the line
Tbf in the beginning he's undercover, and later on he's been in a Russian prison for a long time
@@seandunbar7364 Sure, you can chalk it up to using a more comfortable accent, but that doesn't mean he should be speaking broken English now
I never knew why this was but I’m glad you mentioned it. Very odd
He probably didn't talk in English in prison and just has forgotten a lot of it :v
Perhaps it signifies that he is speaking Russian but it's translated for the audience. Thus the accent is letting us know he is actually speaking Russian? Don't know. Haven't seen it, lol
"it makes no sense"
"Well, it make sen-"
"NO!"
Audience: *awkward silence*
Just silence
@@PR0N0G0D7 it's awkward silence because thebigvega is awkward and thebigvega was watching the video
@@Dem0n5 it was awkward by the sudden response 😂
agreed. it's stupid media consumption in America. Just them being ignorant. So annouying
He's Russian, in Russia, speaking to Russians. So naturally he'd be speaking English.
хахахахахха
Yeah, i often go up to my family in mexico like "yo what up fam" and they speak back in english with the little subtitle at the end saying "how are you cuz :in spanish"
The best they can do is make him speak English with a Russian accent rather than actual Russian. Damn thats rasist.
😂
@@DivineOwlrussia is not a race, genius. It is just my country.
They made the characters speak Chinese in the Shang Chi movie
Because China is a gigantic piece of the media market, they specifically targeted to the Chinese by using the language.
Потому что в Шан Чи актеры китайцы, в Чёрной вдове же не русские актёры.
@@Flame-yw8hwне, потому что для китайского рынка делалось
@@paulisaband9717 и это тоже
Because Shang Chi is a better movie then Widow circus😂Even actor admitted it was a dumb idea in the first place.As a Russian I can say it's not the first movie with Russian who doesn't speak Russian(First was From Russia with love where 2 "Soviet" women spoke in English 😆) but it was 60 years ago not a few😂
I think Inglourious Basterds is a great example of a movie where everyone speaks their own language. It just makes it more genuin in my opinion. Also, you're missing out on so many awesome foreign movies if you're put off by subtitles. Though for me it's easier to cope with subtitles since English spoken movies are also foreign to me, so I'm already very much used to it.
Disney, Marvel, Netflix are the peak of Hollywood sh*t.
Tarantino on the other hand still has some character.
But you can't expect anything from Hollywood. Their movies are targeted for the American brain.
Monolingual, sh*t fed consumers.
Just disgusting
Yes this is a great example. I think most directors just dont think about it, David is really smart.
If the director really thinks about it you can even have a scene where characters that speak different languages speak english in the movie and when they meet in the movie they both speak english but dont understand each other. Dont have a great example of the top of my head but ive Seen it done good.
It also took years to wright the script because it was in different languages.
True but you can't compare an arthouse-like Tarantino movie with a intentionally dumbed down marvel blockbuster. It's a question of expectation (in case of the audience) and courage to challenge that expectation (in case of the producers).
If you watch a Tarantino movie you expect to watch a cineastic piece of art. Like a trip to an art gallery.
If you watch a marvel movie you expect to join a rollercoaster ride with some popcorn.
Maybe some day, producers will get so ballsy to just try out a mesh-up. Maybe Tarantino will direct a Star Wars movie, maybe Samuel Jackson will return as motherfucking Mace Windu, who tells what a bantha burger is called on Tattooine. But until that glorious day there will be a somewhat separation between these parts of movie industry... especially because Tarantino doesn't consider Marvel movie stars as actual movie stars.
That means I got a little injun in me
I love that there’s finally one actor who is exactly like us as a movie audience. This is exactly my logic when I go to see movies yes I know it doesn’t really work for the general viewing audience but it’s still the most logical viewing experience 😂
Have you heard of suspension of disbelief?
I’m the same way, and I honestly wish I wasn’t. The one that gets me is typically action movies. For example, and I think a lot of people hate this one” is when an actor is holding a 6 shot revolver, and somehow shoots 20 bullets without ever reloading.
@@Ninandathral suspension of disbelief only works when you abide to the rules of the world you set up. At the end of a day, it’s a fake world so you can do whatever you want but suspension of disbelief works the best when you stick to the set of rules you set.
Japanese character speaking English in Japanese accent to a Japanese man in Japan...
I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME! I THOUGHT I'M THE ONLY ONE CRINGING OVER IT. At least Matt Damon's "The Great Wall", Chinese people speak Mandarin to fellow Chinese and they speak English to the only three white people in the movie.
@@yuililith YES! I watch alot a kdramas, and they sometimes lie to chinese people saying their also from china but their speaking korean w no accent or anything to the chinese persona dn they never question it!!🤣🤣
This man watches his anime subbed and I’m for it.
Who doesn't?
Some time watch it dub but only good dub like black lagoon 🙂
@@toastermcmeme3347 depends on the anime really.
@@toastermcmeme3347 depends, if it only has shitty 1 voicers or the voices sound cringe af I'd watch subbed but if there is a good dub I'd watch that
Cowboy bebop is great dubbed
Как же этот мужик ПРАВ!
Мы тоже так делаем в своих фильмах) Мушкетёры французы, но говорят на русском. Шерлок Холмс англичанин - также на русском. Это нормально, ведь фильмы для русской аудитории с русскими актёрами. Правда, к счастью, без английского и французского акцента! Вот это было бы странно)
@@funinvestorи в Бесславных ублюдках, когда герои говорят "Давайте перейдём на английский" говорят по-русски))
@@funinvestorно мы делаем это с учетом того, что в рамках рассматриваемой вселенной этот человек говорит только на своем нативном(родном) языке не разговаривая на других языках. А в киновселенной марвел мы знаем, что Наташа Романофф и русские агенты знают и разговаривают много языков, но со своими по логике они могли разговаривать на русском.
@@funinvestor, мы так не делаем. Либо все в фильмах говорят на русском, с пониманием, что это типо истории переведённой на русский, и пониманием, что в реальности там все должны говорить на языке той страны..., либо, если в фильме представители разных стран, то они со своими соотечественниками говорят на своём языке с дубляжом. Говорить по-английски с русским акцентом с другими русскими в России - реально бред.
Ну кстати маэстро Понасенков в своей блестящей роли говорил на чистом немецком. И немцы у нас всегда тарабарят на псевдонемецком.
I love how black widow can have a Russian accent in one scene and complete fluent English in another
She is a spy
@@crimsoncloud6352 was thinking the same thing
You’re dumb for that
Normal bilingual people emphasize and deemphasize their natural accents all the time depending on the social context.
so you dont know how accents work, gotcha
"Let them make their own Marvel Movies." That’s some American-level passive aggression right there.
Imagine if he said that kinda shit for like Spanish or Chinese or native-- like bruh
Yeah that was typical US ignorance
there is something like that in russia
it's called major grom: the plague doctor(if i am right)
upd: i mean a russian marvel movie
and also claiming that english is our official language when it isn’t
I was thinking about the same thing.
“He’s Russian, in Russia, so he’d be speaking speaking Russian” 😂
логичнее не куда
Well it’s made by Americans
Yeah, and if he was talking english there shouldn’t be any accents since it’s just a translation
@@xmanprogam2514 What do you mean?
@@Beyblade_worrior So why the accent? To make it less understandable? Then why the language?
I never realized how much David Harbour sounds like John Malkovich
Same, I scrolled till I found someone who thought the same! 😂
I thought I'm the only one who heard it. Thank God I'm not the only weirdo😊😊
Thank god I found other people like me. My tribe
Oh my god, that's so true! 🤯
I hear it too...😅
He's right. I like subtitles honestly, I like hearing the native language.
Same
I don't mind subtitles at all. My wife & I saw "Run Lola Run" in the theater. We brought a friend of mine (who's idea it was to see the movie in the first place). At the very first subtitle my friend stands up "I'm out. i'll be at the bar across the street."😂 He missed a good movie 😮
This is a marvel movie not a cultural experience
Not needed, we are all aware of what russian sounds like. In other countries they do the same thing so it is no big deal. It makes sense to have English especially for streaming so you can turn away from the screen and still follow the conversation
I tottal agree except for tv shows and animes. They're too long its like reading a book
It’s like when Bong Joon-Ho won his Oscars and said, “Once you overcome the one inch tall barrier of subtitles, you will be introduced to so many more amazing films.” It would be nice for these films to at least take the time to explain why these characters are deciding to conveniently speak the audience’s language
Like the new west side story in which they emphasize they’re trying to learn English and that’s why they speak at home
I think one of the best decisions taken in this space is what they did with Valkyrie. German soldiers and officials but they said no, the whole thing is in English, no accents, we're not here to mimic or make fun or reduce this as a movie.
Thought that was excellent and didn't affect the movie in the negative at all
@@randomdaveUK i think thaat's a good way to go about it. Either all in with the authentic languages or being upfront about it being english only, no attempts at accents, so that people don't have to potentially do a horrid one.
EXACTLY. Just like watching Anime with Subtitles.
Not just because it's in their language but because the dialog is literally different 99.9999999% of the time
Like in Inuyasha.
Sesshomaru calls Inuyasha a vile half-breed bstrd.
In the English version he only calls him vile, half-breed, etc.
Whole dialogs are literally CUT OUT
Plus, the fighting scenes are cut shorter, made less bloody, etc.
You miss like 60% of the show.
But....In the subs?
Everything is as it was when it was aired in it's home country.
But...That's only if you go online to watch Subs.
I was thinking abt this! + for me, personally, I love when the actors talk in the language they're "supposed" to. So if they are Russian and are in Russia, they talk Russian. Or if they are Spanish people living in Spain then they talk Spanish. It always confuses me when a film is set in (e.g.) France and there is "no connection" to another country, but still they all speak English throughout the entire film...
Like, let the actors speak their (probably) native language and their acting will be positively affected by that as well!
They should have let him speak perfect English, and then for a moment swap over to just some random enemies perspective and he's speaking thick Russian. Just showing that Natasha is translating for us so we can understand what he's saying but in reality he's been speaking Russian this whole time.
That would've made perfect sense
That's smart writing, we can't have that.
But she’s not telling a story
@kittyboy7738 true, she isn't telling the story, however schema systems in movies allow the protagonist to do that stuff, she isn't telling a story, but she can have a narrative capability to understan languages, and be able to reinterpret them into other languages.
this makes complete sense, since if he is supposed to be speaking russian and everyone is just speaking english instead, the flawless russian should be translated into flawless english. its like watching a movie in a different language than the OV and have that version have OV accent.
Мужик красава! Прав на все 110%!
“No no. He’s got a point” 😈
kronk!
That was the verbal version of devil Kronk doing a one arm handstand!
Glad I am not the only one who
Understands this
This is actually a good point 😂 And it’s backed up by the fact that in Stranger Things, the Russian characters only speak Russian when amongst other Russians
Meanwhile, they speak English (if they can) to the American characters
Hell, Harbour’s character speaks Russian when he’s in the Russian prison 😂
Please stay tuned to the news: Russian has been changed back to Moscowic due to Moscow appropriating the Ukrainian state title Kyivan Rus for centuries.
@@iryna1722 u good?
@@iryna1722 it's kinda funny how easy it is to find ukrainian in the comments
@@iryna1722 ахахахахахахах
@@iryna1722 Kiev* Ukrainian is not a language.
Feel the same in Black Panther when they say “Wakanda Forever” in English, but say other important phrases in their Native Tongue..😭😫
That one makes more sense tho because that's a battle cry so it being in a foreign common language isn't that weird. It could've started out as a show of pride towards other nations or something
@@MarineTanuki and also we don’t know how would they say it in the native tongue so maybe they are saying in the native tongue it just sounds like English
@@MarineTanukiI’ve never heard native shout a battle cry in a foreign language. I don’t think that’s it.
@@MarineTanuki how isn't it weird xd it's like Italy going to war with France, and their battle cry is "Italy forever" in German. Aren't battle crys suppose to be for your soldiers? Why not in their language xd weird would be saying it in a foreign language
Wakanda is fictional country, it has no "native tongue" Lol
Actor has a point! 👍
“We’re American! We don’t know how to read AND watch something at the same time!”
Pretty much 😂😂😂
🙄
Weebs: "Pathetic."
Damn crazy that we don't have every alien speak a made-up language or that every creature in an anime speaks Japanese.
@@rubenoctave4156 you don’t have to, it’s enough to use languages that already exist
'It makes no sense' Bro summed up the entire climax of the movie
"It's basic science "
It didn't need to makes cent's as it made Dollars
wdym? natasha realizes that his ex boss is still making black widows and decided to put it down for good period
NO CAUSE HE'S RIGHT. If we'll be watching it in English, there might as well not be an accent because we'll be watching it like it's dubbed- because storywise, he'd be speaking Russian.
I agree
@@strannik_dogdia Sadly, I can't read Russian so idk if you're agreeing with me or explaining something or calling me names 😅 But either way, have a great day :))
@@EmmarainePink Has your online translator been taken away?)
Exactly
What's funny is they wouldn't have any accent. Because as a spy who lived in US for so long you'd have American accent or pretend to have American accent while speaking perfect English.
The way he feels so strongly about this and he's absolutely correct!!
Plus the way he says "NO!" is just like "here we again explaining this" lol
You know i think hes my favorite actor. Im just now realizing i love everything ive seen him in 😂😂😂
What’s funny is he kind of popped up out of nowhere in the equalizer. You agree ya? I can’t think of him in anything before that. And he’s right I hate when people are in their native country in a movie but speak English.
Bro is Russian eating with his whole Russian only family and still speaks English with them just with an accent 😂
it would make sense if they were all speaking with a Russian accent, to indicate that they were speaking in Russian, but with Natasha speaking with an American accent? nah
Of cause they speak Russian, with subtitles!
It’s even worse: he was a spy in America who speak in perfect English the. Whole time 😂😂
@@Londubh tbf Natasha lived longer with Americans as a spy than russians
@@magnadelusor4249 but she lived in Russia (among Russians, at least) up until Budapest. That would be plenty of time for her to speak Russian fluently, as a native. Remember, her first scene in Avengers was her posing as a Russian so as to get in with an arms dealer. She wouldn't have been able to do so with American ascended Russian.
What I like about this is that this indicates he would be willing to memorize Russian dialogue with the right pronunciation just to make it authentic. He would prefer to put in that extra work for it which I don’t think many actors would want to do. That itself is a sign of him being a great actor who takes his work seriously!
Or (and I don’t disagree with you, but…) he is indicating that he would be ok with having all his lines over-dubbed (by a professional voice actor who speaks perfect Russian, or a native Russian speaker)
@@DBKING04020lol that’s also possible 😂
What makes even less sense is that as a spy, he learned the American accent so he could be undercover but talks like he's learned English through duolingo
At least black widow got it down, he on the other hand was a failed captain america so
@@Sketchy_DoodBut her Russian was trash.
You can sound better even with work in Duolingo, this kind of accent is taught only in Hollywood)
@@planepassenger you got it. Its not too hard to get the us english accent, if you put some dedication u can get it, or at least get close
@@vitaluka ah well
Exactly, Hollywood adjusting to the audience. I like movies non-dubbed and w subtitles. Makes it real.
me i like being able to watch the movie not try to read a book while driving aka watch the movie and read the subtitles at the same time
It's a children's superhero movie it's not supposed to be real
You are right, it's better that way, but for a serious movie, not for a Marvel movie
I prefer not having subtitles, if I wanted subtitles I would go read a book. I am not saying they don’t work for some movies cause they certainly do for foreign films. This is an American made film, no one other then a hand full of people wants to watch an American movie in Russian with English subtitles. Sure the argument above is that it’s more immersive with subtitles, but for me it makes no difference on immersion. All they do is take my eyes off the movie to read.
@@edledskal9147 I like movies that are in many languages and subtitles to not native ones, these are pretty great
never thought I'd see the day a Hollywood actor actually called out the anglican-ization practice of Hollywood!! tHANK YOU, DAVID! This is why Shang-Chi was so special to me - the entire first 10 minutes was in Mandarin...do y'all realize how rare that is in a Hollywood movie??
AND I LOVE IT SO MUCH WHEN THEY DO IT!! Hearing actors talking/acting in their native languages is something so special and MUCH needed actually
that was made to appeal Chinese audience. Big companies like Disney do this a lot, because it's a money cow.
Russia on the other hand is not that profitable, so no one cares.
I imagine not as rare in China. You say "anglican-ization" like it's some sort of evil conspiracy or something though. There's nothing wrong with an american movie for an american audience (who speak majority english) to have characters speaking english. I'm sure it's fairly common in china that american characters speak mandarin/cantonese and I know lots of Japanese media has americans speaking fluent Japanese. In black widow it makes sense and doesn't make sense for his character to speak Russian if the main character (or Surrogate character which doesn't have to be the main character) knows what he's saying then there's no reason to obfuscate it, subtitles can make more sense but that kinda depends on how much he talks to have people watching for half the movie and reading for the other doesn't make sense in a visual medium. If Natalia's russian isn't perfect anymore it makes logical in movie sense for him to just speak english. If a character isn't supposed to understand what the russian character is saying it should not be translated in any way. it's simple. Yes it's funny that Hollywood does this thing where germans either speak english with an accent or just straight up queen's english but expecting an american movie to force most of their audience, whom they made the movie for, to read subtitles for more than a few minutes makes as much sense in film as a character speaking the audience's language with an accent. from the sounds of it in shang chi they made the decision to open the movie with mandarin which is cool and fun actually but had the sensibility to make sure the audience wasn't reading half their movie even in instances where the main character didn't need to speak english.
That's the reason why I really apreciate Inglorious Bastards. Tarantino didn't take the easy road, he searched for actors from europe to play characters from their respective countries/speaking their respective languages (which showed the world talent of Christopher Waltz and thank god it happened). Also some characters were bilingual, some of them weren't. And if they were speaking the other language, you could tell that this isn't their main one. It wasn't the perfect world where everyone spoke language that was needed at the time. I'm not even talking about how important this "language game" was for the whole plot.
@@ProcyonProduction It's not a conspiracy. Why do they speak English in America, Barmahas, South Africa, Australia etc? Countries export culture and America is at the forefront exporting American exceptionalism all the time. So is China, and so is North Korea, but no one has as far a reach as America. That isn't necessarily bad but since the art of movie making has become an industry movies have become so tasteless. It's just colours and shapes on a screen, so seeing people actually put time and effort into a movie, like actually doing research on different cultures, having actors learn new shit or speak a different language is awesome which this whole thing is about. It's about acting like film making is an art or an industry, at least for me.
My dude went full John Malkovich.
He is ALMOST John Malkovich. That voice!
"It doesn't make... any sense" was very malkovich
John has bled into his reality
Same
LOL I was just thinking that, they must have similar ancestry
Bro I heard that
There's actually an even more ridiculous language-related plot-hole. Yelena learned English as a child in Ohio, and had an American accent when she was recruited. The Red Room then spent the rest of her childhood, feeding her American media
But in that time, Yelena somehow lost her original accent and gained a Russian one
Yeah Marvel movies are stupid and for little kids
Seriously, what's the point of having sleeper cell infiltrators with Russian accents?
Yeah, that’s what I didn’t like about Florence’s performance. That exaggerated Russian accent
Same issue I have with Black Adam.
@@oaf-77they believe the viewer base still keeping up with these phase 4 trash cans are too stupid to think about it
That’s why in the show 1899, I’m so happy that when people speak their own language they do so with subtitles. It just makes it so much more authentic.
I'm from Spain, I'm watching 1899 in spanish and I'm tempted to watch it with the original audio because I want to know when the spaniard characters are talking in spanish or not.
@@Anirshu Te puedo asegurar que esos dos actores son españoles...y no lo podía creer. Porque siempre son primera generación o 3ra y se nota el acento ingles en su español.
@@lucianabacigalupo2505 Si los conozco xD por eso me quedé en plan "que hacen estos aquí... espera, son sus voces de verdad, no los ha doblao nadie más".
too be fair for 1899 the language barrier is a actual story element as some characters struggle to communicate since they can't speak one another's language. |
In Black Widow there is never a issue with language between the characters. The only language barrier would be between the characters talking and the audience.
1. He is completely right. Logically, they should all be speaking russian. 2. but since it's an American blockbuster they should just speak English without "russian" accents. 3. also like. they are international super spies. they shouldn't have a heavy accent at all. why make us all suffer? the actors by doing the accent, the audience by listening to it.
i hate it so much you have no idea
I think he has a point to an extent, he should speak Russian up until he meets back up with the girls where they talk English so he does it back
Edit, Yes the girls are Russian, the point here is language, Natasha Is used to speaking English and does that commonly, so when she meets up with her dad that's when he should have stopped speaking Russian
I'm not a marvel expert, but don't the girls speak Russian as their native language as well?
@@SashaStowers I'm not sure if it's native, it might be, they are fluent in most languages tho
@@Darknova67 yes they know how to speak Russian and both of them are from Russia
@@SashaStowers It might've been their first language but they were both trained by the Red Room. They don't have a native language anymore - in the sense that there isn't a language that they're "better" at.
@@TonkarzOfSolSystem then in that case they shouldn't have any accent or atleast not a russian one right?
*Meanwhile anime*:
Everyone in every country speaks japanese fluently
😂
Joseph Joestar says Holy shit fairly often, and echoes says Kill da hoe, I love when Japan does English correctly!
And in alternate worlds/dimensions, complete with honorifics and even slang that couldn't exist in that world/dimension.
Biggest offender? Probably Stardust Crusaders. We have a 100 year old English vampire from the slums of London, a New Yorker, a French proletariat, 2 Japanese kids, and an Egyptian. The only one that makes sense is the Boston Terrier Iggy.
Depends on your taste really, dub or sub
It makes me think of 'Allo 'Allo, an old British sitcom. The characters would all speak in English for the audience to understand, but they'd do it in a British, French, German, or Italian accent to indicate which language was being spoken. It was pretty ingenious as a comedic tool
'Allo 'Allo is absoluetly hilarious! And for my international friends:
'Allo 'Allo is very naas. The franch elping the Britiesh, ooh la la iz very gud
'Allo 'Allo is one of ze best show out zere.
Very funny show if a little crude at times
@@ojtheaviator1795 “You stupid woman!”
Good old 'Allo 'Allo!
Damn thanks for this. It brought back so many memories of my childhood!!!
He has a valid point!,
As a Russian it makes me somehow grateful
I mean, it’s not like we watch American movies with subtitles. 🤪When I was a kid I used to think the whole world spoke Russian just because when my parents would say “let’s watch this French movie”, the actors still “spoke” Russian, just moved their lips weirdly hahaha
@@ari_jean I was surprised when I found out that movies were dubbed😁
So y'all (being both russians) yet speaking to each other in (perfect!) english... kinda being proving his point rn ))
@@ari_jean I always listen to it as is and read the subtitles for foreign films. I also grew up in a large, loud household so I’m used to subtitles even in English.
@@gameon2000
они оба разговаривают на английском для того, чтобы это было понятно более широкой аудитории и такие как вы смогли сразу понять о чем идёт речь.
То, что люди всесторонне развиты и могут коммуницировать друг с другом на разных языках не объясняет нелогичность момента про «русского, который в России говорит на английском с русским акцентом».
btw, i also can speak English if I want to, but, honestly, I don’t wanna :)
the guy who laughed before he even continued talking is literally me lmfao 💀
This is American with common sense 👍
Believe me, David does not have common sense. He's a buffoon. But here, yeah. He's on to something.
Unfortunately, it's not common 😕 anymore .... it should be "rare-sense"!
Also at the end he starts sounding like John Malkovich
Ah yes. Let’s get movies in classical latin if we are portraying ancient Rome
Rocking horse shit
@@georgeshomodi3498 No he's saying it makes no sense to give him a Russian accent because he's a Russian in Russia. Not that he should be speaking Russian in the movie
I swear if John Malkovich and David Harbour sat in a room together it would sound like only of them were talking the whole time😂😂
He’s got a very John Malkovich cadence and vibe to his voice.
Ditto.
I was going crazy trying to figure out who he sounded like, thanks @cavball9
Yes!! I just commented something verrry similar. lol
Yes
I thought it was John malkovich
Kimmel seemed so United Statesian with his utter refusal to have any other language featured in a movie even if it's a character from other county in another country.
It’s sarcasm
I think that was the joke lol, but patriotic humor is strange. It's like "Yeah we are aware of how dumb it sounds, but we're still going to cheer about it"
“United Statesian” is a dumbass term
That's city folk for you. Rural America would expect you to speak the local language. No matter where.
As a Russian native speaker, that's one of the things I love about Chernobyl series, where people sound natural, like actual people, not like some weird caricature.
Lie
@@ostyslav why
@@ostyslav ?
@@ostyslav lol
Don’t the people in that show speak with a British accent though?
He is 100% right
Exactly it shows that you put effort into your movies script
The whole family lived in America and spoke English perfectly and as soon as they are back they have heavy accents...
yeah they might as well have started speaking russian lmao
It's because they were spies....
The entire movie Florence Pugh has a Russian accent and as soon as filming stopped she had an English accent.. it's almost like ppl can pretend to have different accents lol
@@moses9647You miss the point, In story, all the characters were spies and could speak flawless english. They should have no issue speaking english with an american accent.
@@maximeteppe7627 my point is why would they use American accents when they're not undercover in America anymore. It would be like Florence Pugh continuing to speak in a Russian accent after filming wrapped. It's not crazy for them to revert to their natural accent. In fact it'd be weird if they didn't...
It’s what I said about Black Panther. For a society that isolated itself and takes great pride in its root, there is no reason why they would speaking English to one another. Which is why that one scene between T’Chaka and T’Chala is the best in the entire movie. They are speaking in their own language.
That’s always what got me with foreign characters in movies and it’s just like “oh yea everyone here just speaks English” and obviously that’s not the case
Well, I’m movies there is a convention/agreement where characters all speak the same language despite being from different countries for the benefit of the audience. What doesn’t make sense within this convention is for those characters to have an accent or other secondary characters actually speaking different languages. You can either have one or have several but you cannot mix. That’s the general gist but recently they keep breaking this convention.
The German historical series Barbaren actually does a pretty good job solving this as every character speaks what they’re actually supposed to speak historically.
@@lorcostridge2811 I like it when characters actually speak their own language in shows and movies (when they’re in a position where there’s no need for English) it just makes more sense and feels more real
That laugh …. before he even explains the whole logic is epic😂😂😂😂
Also, when his character is living in the US he speaks with an American accent and then as soon as he gets back to Russia he starts speaking with a russian accent.
Wouldn’t be a very good Russian spy if he didn’t drop his Russian accent.
That's how it is for some multilingual folks, they learn a new language and start speaking in that accent, then when they go back, they're back to their original accent
Well… when I was studying English and speaking English every day I didn’t have an accent, now I totally have an Italian accent (also, my grammar got worse…)
@@SomeRandoooo Exactly what I was about to write because when I visit my family in mexico my accent changes naturally
I thought that was supposed to indicate that he’s speaking Russian.
*How stupid the Chernobyl series would look if the British actors spoke English with a Russian accent.*
I have been thinking this forever and I’m glad someone has the balls to say it out loud
Guy with sense “Why cant we have them speak Russian?”
Disney “But the kids have a short attention span, so accents!”
Hes doing an unintentionally spot on John Malkovich impression right now
US has never felt what it's like to have every movie available to you be in another language. we, smaller countries, see this as a norm and could watch a movie in any language if we have appropriate subtitles
I'm from the US and watch movies in other languages with subtitles. Hell, I even watch a majority of ours with subtitles. 😂 But obviously for two different reasons. But yeah, I get what you're saying.
People try being mad at Americans for enjoying their OWN language
@@thegodpotato132 not really. just stating that English is so widely spread, that they can enjoy stuff easier
(and they're also used to that)
@@thegodpotato132 well English isn’t technically their language, it’s the language of the brits
Americans speak English with an accent
@@sadflix8754 Many Americans are of British origins. I speak the same language as my ancestors. I have just as much of a claim to English as the English in England. Neither Americans or the English speak English the same way it has been spoken in the past either.
The man is 💯 percent right. Jim is rude.
It’s a joke, dude
Nota rude, Is stupid
Bro! Shout out to David for this! I always have this gripe with movies with scenes in a foreign country!
Im laughing at the way he’s saying it
“He’d be speaking Russian.” 😂
There’s so many movies that have two languages one English and one not and the subtitles are there!!! It makes it feel more real when you hear the actual countries language!!
This I can agree with
Tokyo drift, most people speak japanese and the main character has to learn a little through the movie, the only ones speaking english are the ones that deal with the main character that are either from foreign country or they want to humilate the guy in english
The Human Centipede too, 80% of its dialogue is in either German or Japanese and it makes it so much more authentic
"Let them make their own Marvel movies, for us it's English." 💀💀
о господи я вспомнил защитников
@@bigblacking_8691 yoo lmao
he ain't wrong lol
Entitled
Most culture respecting american
I love the ONE guy in the crowd that caught on at first 😂😂
Fake laughs is it not?
@@Sd_frmadl it didn't sound like it but regardless that isn't the point I made, the point was he caught on and it didn't seem anyone else did
That guy is quick
Jimmy was like “don’t threaten me with reading pal”
Exactly.
I snorted XD
He's absolutely right!
Are we just going to ignore that his unintended John Malkovich impression was ridiculously accurate
?
Bro, I was gonna say the same thing!
@@mettachain 🤣🤣 I had to do a double take at the end.
Came here to say this. His enunciation, his pacing, everything 😂
Can't believe how far I had to scroll for this.
@@chestnutpuckin I swear I thought there would be hundreds of them. I’ve noticed them in replies to other comments
I remember a few Stargate episodes where actors were having fun in Russian. They were saying things that viewers were not supposed to understand. For example, "Oh no, this is the monster from episode 14!" and "Now we can say whatever we like because nobody understands us". Right, except that the Stargate series was also popular on the "other side of the globe" where many people understand Russian :D
As a man from "the other side of the globe", let me tell you something, all english movies are dubbed before being shown on television, those funny moments are no exception, if I didn't speak English and encounter your comment I wouldn't have known this silly fact :)
And Radek Zelenka speaking Czech
@@arslanalimov I watched 'Iron Man' in Hungarian the first time, where the terrorists spoke Arabic. It really caught me off guard when I was watching the original and apparently the terrorists were speaking Hungarian all along. (Not very well, though, if I might add.)
Я не понял, что ты сказал.. 🤔
@@arslanalimov not all countries do dubs
Так-то дядька прав, если весь фильм он говорит на своём, то щачем вставлять сцену, где актёр будет мучаться, чтобы выговорить наши слова. Тем более я ещё ни разу не слышал, чтобы западный актёр верно произнёс выражение на русском языке 😮😂😂 всегда на смех пробивает, как это нелепо звучит 😂😂😂❤❤❤😂😂😂
Смешнее всего, когда этот персонаж живёт в Америке и говорит на чистейшем американском английском всю дорогу, но когда он в России, то продолжает говорить на английском, но уже с русским акцентом :DDD
Ты бы послушал как в российском фильме пытаются что-то выговорить на украинском, вот где ржака
Реально, ни разу не слышала ,чтобы американцы в фильмах говорили на русском без американского акцента
В сериале "Американцы" про советских шпионов актеры говорят по русски неплохо (кроме главных героев), сотрудники посольства, например. Мне кажется там были американские русские евреи в кастинге.
This is what I always think about when two Russian people talk to each other and there's nobody else in the room with them. I'm like, "why?"
What? Should Russian people not speak to each other?
@@uuuummm9 probably they meant the scene in the movie when two Russians had a conversation in English. like, why would you speak English, if you're both Russian
@@uuuummm9when two Russians are in a room and they speak English is what it meant
It's easy, they practice their English 😂
you just described me with my English teacher)
The guy laughing in the audience because he saw where this was going lol
He suffers from premature elaughulation
Let's not forget how the entire galaxy knows English
Oh, so the Russians are aliens now?!
@@Alknix no, but it's a movie directed at young teens so let's not question why a Russian man is speaking English in his mother land when we see aliens all over the universe speaking English. In the grand scheme of things a Russian speaking English is way more plausible than aliens knowing English
David Harbour is slowly turning into John Malkovich
I’ve had this point for so long. You either give them normal English as if you’ve translated it like they did in Chernobyl, or make them speak the native language like in narcos and give subtitles
also another thing you can do is make them speak their language than later make them speak english with accent when they suppose to speak english to somebody
Plus, it gives you an opportunity to hear the language and maybe learn a few words
Original with subtitles ist the best thing since sliced bread! Languages are the treasure and beauty of the human kind!
Hahahaha, I completely agree with him. I remember watching Red Sparrow and it seemed so bizarre that she spoke English the whole time.
Jimmy that was the most ignorant answer you can make. Seriously hands down my guy...
Not at all…. Lol he makes perfect sense lol
@@kevinlazo4647 dumb and dumber
Russia loves to spend more for rockets to kill ukrainian childrens than give their people enjoyment with a russian Marvel movie
I agree with jimmy on this one
@@kevinlazo4647 Bro, so you Americans are dumb to think this makes sense
"Hold on, Let him cook. Let him cook" 😅😅
I agree with David on this! For me, one of the biggest turn offs in the movie are when characters should be speaking another language, but the all speak perfect English somehow.
There’s a little clip from when Scarlet goes to Florence’s apartment and they meet for the first time as grown-ups and Florence piece a little bit of Russian but yeah I would’ve enjoyed more Russian interaction
It's funny how in other countries knowing two to three languages is the standard, while here we can barely handle English
Why would that be funny?
Is it funny that most Australians only speak English?
Or that 96% of Canadians speak only French or English?
When you lave large areas of people who dont need to learn multiple languages in their daily lives to communicate ad get things they need you see people shifting to one language. Only 22% of Canadians speak only french and thats with their literal language police pushing french to keep it alive. If every state had a different language then you would see more milti lingual people in the us.
What countries exactly?
@@plexyglass429India, Russia, most Arabic countries, most African countries. A lot do
@@plexyglass429lots of europeans, lots of asians
@@plexyglass429 uruguayan here, I've speak Spanish and Portuguese since I was 6 and English since 10
The real thing which doesn’t make sense is how when he’s undercover in America (which he has been for several years by this point) his accent is flawless but suddenly when we meet him again he’s lost it completely
@King Pop filming a movie and living for IN the country for several years is completely different. I don’t live in an English speaking country but I lost my accent completely
King Pop wins the argument.
Solid answers.
Accents, same as dialects can fluctuate.
If you, for some reason, don't speak a language or dialect for a good while you'll most likely carry your current pronounciation into the way you speak.
@@Bigb00bs_umchileanywaysso okay but hed also been in a russian prison for over a decade so he would have re-developed that accent anyway
@King Pop
Same as Black Panther in Wakanda 😂 I thought it should be that way too
He has a malkovich thing going on.
Absolutely
Ok cool I wasn’t the only one
The one guy in the audience that absolutely gets it.
Actually yes, him speaking russian would've been ace