FORM COMPARISON!! Why can I throw 100 feet further than Casey??
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2020
- This video is packed with stuff :) We didn't really have any plans but spontaneously met up at Old Gregs private course in NH and I brought the camera along, of course! We tried answering some of the more requested tips and tricks and had a bunch of fun with ace runs and faces in the trees. Hope you enjoy!
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Best ever Shot of the Day.
I enjoy the tree run backflip guy.
Agreed
Sure about that? Eagle McMahon’s called roller jump up the root on the ground into the basket ace. Very well could have been Casey’s shot bc they were both there, can’t remember exactly
13:30 - Slow-mo montage
3:27 - Form comparison
14:14 - How to do the Simon disc-flip
Simon makes me so happy.
Very interesting! Wow great video
That shot of the day was sick
@reelkena exactly
Really enjoyed this one, It’s kinda like a variety show, there’s a bit of everything in it.
SIMON, casey is like your partner now in these vids and contributed well to the content and view, you should throw his social medias in the description and a pop tag
He helped get casey a sponsorship with discmania if that counts for anything
Best vid yet fellas! We learned something practical AND something fun. We got to enjoy the sheer beauty of forest and flight, and see those happy faces scoring aces :) - thank you very much
The shot of the day, always makes me smile. Thank you for always putting out great content!!!!!
You continue to teach me something new every video! Thanks for taking the time to help everyone be their best!
Best shot of the day ever!!!🥰
Thanks for the constant content simon, much love from michigan 💚
Simon is brilliant! The Midas of disc golf vlogging! I will stay tuned for the rest of this series as you make Casey throw 600’ too! Thank you for being awesome!
One major difference that I notice which results in the minor rounding on Casey's reach back and pull through and the difference in look of shoulder position when comparing frame by frame is Casey's shoulders are rolled forward/collapsed chest while you have more squared shoulders/expanded chest. Removing that rounding of the shoulders/collapsing of the chest could help with having a more away from body/linear reach back position and straight forward pull through
Thank you for the observation
Casey squares up by the end of the throw, which is great. I think if he started standing straighter from the beginning and being more squared up from the get-go it would probably go a long way to keep from over-rotating and rounding the disc.
He talked about that🤦♂️
It was guessed that the extended reach back on Casey was a limiting factor but I think it's actually potential for max distance in the future, if these other comments of squareness and shoulder posture are achieved. I think the true take away from this observation is actually for you Simon, that if you reach back a little further (might add 100ms to your throw) that you may actually see an improvement.
since the question is essentially “where’s the missing power?” Here’s my take: Lower body strength/athleticism. Notice Simon squats more in his walk up thereby loading his legs and glutes and maintains a more athletic posture. Casey, at the moment, isn’t doing that as much. And, whatever form critique there may be, I think it’s all symptomatic of lacking lower body strength/support. I’d love to see Casey have the ability to bomb 600+ to compliment his great woods play.
Thanks for the spin tutorial.... so cool! “I wanna be like Simon!” 😎😎😎. I’ll have to take your word for how good it feels retrieving an ace disc from the basket... 😳
I love the shoot of the day on this one! A father and son best moment! Blesses my heart. I have 4 sons, 3 old enough to play DG with.
Casey is learning how to be a great personality in disc golf from one of the top players and entertainers.
You don’t know how deep I’ve searched trying to figure out how you do the disc flip I practiced it for a bit and kinda was doing it how you do it but this video makes me so happy awesome form comparison and finally I learn from the man himself how to do the disc flip awesome stuff!
what is the reason for doing the disc flip?
@@S4tanMW3 like twirling your pen or pencil during a test, of course
The illusion is an example of the leaning tower optical illusion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaning_tower_illusion
This one always breaks my brain. 🤯
Wow, that is wild
Thanks Simon. Form comparison is a great tool for becoming a better disc golfer.
Simon, you are crushing the vlog game. Enjoy all the videos.
One of the best feelings in disc golf is grabbing your ace disc from basket.
Another one is hitting the eagle throw after messing up the drive. Couple days ago I did it with my putter from about 50 meters, high hyzer throw going far right along a thin gap in the woods and then coming back left, straight in the basket.
Simon, at around 8:20 ish, when breaking down you and Casey, LOOK AT THE SHADOWS! It's a dead tell on what your describing about reaching to far behind. Another great vid brotha!!
Really enjoying your chill vlogs and awesome tips. Going out to the course right now to play/practice!
I love the shot of the day portion of your videos! Awesome vlog overall as always!
This is a really good breakdown.
Just watching and taking screenshots of the pauses has helped me.
I noticed neither one of you fully extended your arm, which is something I do and I actually feel it hurts my distance.
Now I need yo go throw a bunch of discs to re-invent my throw
Thanks guys
Fun video and that shot of the day was the best so far. Take it easy with your elbow:) Gotta be ready to get back on the road soon
I love that you do the shot of the day - this one is so cool! Great content overall.
Your uploads are great...all of them. Keep posting stuff. You are great at explaining things in an understandable way.
HAND FLIP TUTORIAL!! You’re awesome dude. BIG THANKS 😁❤️
I loved the form breakdown!! Would love to see more of that! Another awesome video!
Treebeard Slow mo transition was on point!
Your content is top notch. All of your videos are so memorable, but this video was my favorite. Well done, young man.
So apparently you can explain it better. Nice work! Yeah, I see 5 main things. The 4 you pointed out, disc movement before reach back, reach back position, right foot "snap", and shoulder turn timing...and one you didn't, left foot release. The shoulder turn timing, and foot release will be what I work on a bit. Waiting for the shoulders to engage makes total sense, the longer you can delay that puts more energy into the release of the disc. I know I drag my left foot a bit, but I think if my right foot flips quicker I'll be able not do that as much. Awesome job guys. And for real, he's only 19!?! I expect to see him on tour in a year or two if that's what the young man wants to do.
Love this comparisons, my favourite content from you :D This is so helpful for me as a noob too. I can not throw far yet but I'm practising, and I feel progress from when I started to throw like 130-160 feet, to now throwing 200feet+ consistently. :D and on good shots I throw up top 260-270 feet :D Awesome content Simon, thank you !
You may potentially need to use lighter discs. If you go drastically lighter, more than like 15 g id say get something slightly more stable as well
Thank you for sharing your tips on improving form!!
Hi Simon, Awesome video.
I think the reason Casey 's disc ends up behind his body on the reach back is because he reaches straight back like (like I was taught). When he makes his power move he steps across the line which puts the disc inside the line but because he's 19, flexible, and athletic he can bend his body to let the disc pass below his torso. But this puts some of his body mass outside the line which is why he ends up with weight over his toes when he spins out on the follow through. You do the opposite. You reach out to the line you are throwing on, step up to it on your power move and effectively pull the disc in towards your center of mass. This keeps your weight inside and encourages you to rotate over your heel. Do it it slowmo and it will make sense. This should give me something to do for the rest of the summer.
The reason the views appear different is that the the camera is aimed at the center of the fairway (the line you are throwing on) not the tee pad. Your eyes want to line up the edge of the tee pad with the light dot in the gap of the trees. The center of the frame is actually behind the thrower.
Excellent form analysis. Keep 'em coming.
Simon I love watching you play dude. It just looks effortless. Great videos as always brother
You guys are awesome...thanks for all the cool shots and information.
Super helpful. Thanks Simon
Love the video! As for why you throw further it looks to be two main things... 1) Weight distribution- Simon keeps his weight back a split second further but it makes all the difference in any swing. If you pause at 7:55 you can see Casey’s weight is further out front in the same part of his back swing than Simon’s. 2) 12:20ish mark Simon hits the nail on the head. Casey reaches around his body which means his arm has further to travel and in a rounded motion. Simon is straight back therefore nearly no amount of movement is wasted and all of the body’s kinetic energy is going straight toward the target.
one of the best vlogs yet hands down!
Thanks for the disc flip tutorial. And everything else!
Impressive form, good job Simon
I think this is your best video yet. Keep up the great work!!
Keep these coming! Thanks for spreading the stoke of DiscGolf! 🤟
Simon, this is a great video! Very well done and lots of fun! Well played sir and thanks for the content!
I love all the shot of the days but this one touched my heart....awesomeness...nice aces also...I wanna play a round with this Old Greg
Love all of this! How fun 🥏⛓💥 Shot of the day was 🔥💗
Great content, very helpful Simon!
Learned the disc spin from your Instagram and have been using it ever since! Great Vid!
Your shot of the day makes me smile every time
The form comparison was so helpful ! Thank you
Thank you for being you. Always a treat when there's a new vlog. Great tips and always entertaining.
Prost mein freund. 😁🤙
Thank you so much for this video! It really helped point out some of the same things I do wrong with my own shot!
I agree with Jeff. If he moves his elbow back it will open his shoulders and square his hips. Furthermore, he should really learn to pivot on his right heel at the release point. In this video his right knee takes all the torque of the shot. Even in regular speed you see his knee kinda buckle at the release point. Enough of those and he'll blow his knee because his foot is planted perpendicular to the release angle. Loved the video!!!! Keep'em coming guys!!
Check out the shadow on the tee pad during the form comparison. The sun is perfect to see the difference in the disc movement!
Right after that comparison. I couldn't get my eyes off Casey's hand when he throws. I used to have the same. Now I am focusing more on how I pull my hand. Still, my shots are too high though. Thank you Simon for all these lessons. All of the tips helped me as a beginner so much.
the perspective illusion at 3:57, simplest explanation. I reckon there's 2 effects happening.
part 1 (easy):
the two teepads are oriented the same, but the right teepad's left edge & the left teepad's right edge actually are pointing away from each other. Our brains wrongly assume the direction of the entire teepads based on that comparison (since those edges are the closest together).
part 2 (also easy but verbose):
Imagine standing somewhere with 2 teepads a few feet apart pointing directly away from you. You look at one, and it's pointing directly away from you. You turn to look at the other and it's also pointing directly away from you. Picture it in your head. Those two teepads wouldn't be parallel with each other-the one on the left would be pointing slightly left, the one on the right pointing right, in order for them both to point away from you.
When we see two teepads with the exact same orientation relative to our perspective, our brain understands that actually, they're pointing slightly away from each other. Same thing going on here. Brain sees two tees with same orientation relative to our "perspective", deduces that actually they must be pointing a bit away from each other.
note for nerds: the reason part 2 takes effect here is because the frame contains depth information. Things that are far away are smaller. If we were looking at purely isometric footage (picture Rollercoaster Tycoon 2), or just a sketch of two teepads, our brains wouldn't bother placing our perspectives in 3D space for the 2nd effect to really kick in.
So glad I got notifications on for when you post.
That breakdown was amazing. You would be an excellent coach Simon! Thanks for the content brother, stay safe.
Thanks for all the work u do
He’s only 19?!?
Right!? I was thinking the same thing when he said that!!
He carries himself in a really impressive way for a 19yo person. Impressive.
He looks 19 idk why this is so surprising
Came to the comments for this
@@ptbfrch there are 19 year olds who have been in wars and then built their own homes and had kids. Casey seems pretty young but very good natured.
I think we are all lucky that you are such a bad ass at disc golf and great at this whole CZcams thing!!!
Next level content and next level shot of the day!
Shot of the Day was too cool.Whole video is really good. The form comparison is great information. Well done.
i know that nowadays most of us expect a basic english knowledge, so for those who understand this video is gold (thanks simon for time spend). I know a lot of persons who play discgolf and would gain so much from this video if they could understand. Was ich somit sagen will ist: Simon bitte übersetze dieses video auf deutsch und auf sonstige Sprachen die du sprechen kannst. Das wäre eine große Hilfe für die Community und diejenigen die nicht so gut englisch sprechen. Vielen Dank und grüße aus Wien.
Man as soon as the tournaments start back up Casey needs to tag along with you! Hes a legit player!
10 months later hes had some good finishes!
great points, so helpful!!
Hell yeah! Truly best shot of the day!!
What a video. Thanks for the disc flip explanation!!! Finally...lol
Awesome breakdown. I’ve played for years but basically as an exclusively forehand player. I’m just now trying to learn backhand and finding it way less intuitive. I can drive 350-400 forehand but only about 200 backhand because I have 0 technique. So videos like this are absolutely awesome.
Liked for shot of the day, keep it going!
Dear Simon, Thanks for another supercalifragilisticexpialidocious video!
🔴⚪️🥏😷🙏🏻
The shoulder rotation is a causation of him pulling it behind his body which you explained earlier. He is then swinging around his body to get the disc from behind his body which shot the shoulder forward faster and the disc out wider over the tee pad.
The tee pad thing is definitely an optical illusion. If you cover either the left side of both tee pads or the right side of both tee pads, the uncovered sides suddenly look parallel. This optical illusion happens when you put two lines at slightly different angles near each other - our brain does weird things to try to reconcile what it's seeing and sometimes it doesn't work out so well. The Greeks used this fact to their advantage when building the Parthenon by building their columns with a bulge in the center (among many, many other tricks). This counteracted the tendency of our brains to view parallel lines as slimming in the middle, which would make the columns look slender and anemic rather than straight and stout.
Awesome shot of the day!!!
I remember that insta video!!! Love that spin!
That shot of the day was fantastic!!
Really really good analysis.
Casey is rounding. And wow is he a good golfer! At 19!
Great observation and description
Best dg videos comes from you! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
When you were talking about the reach backward you can also look at the shadows on the ground and see the difference in distance from the disc to the body 👍🏽
Great stuff. Thanks.
Simon thanks again for good tips 👍😉
Schönes Video. Danke für die erklärung des "Tricks".
Bleibt Gesund und hoffentlich geht es bald wieder los mit Turnieren.
Hey Simon. I was just re-watching this video. When you were critiquing your throws, I noticed your shadows on the t-pad, showed the difference in your reach backs.
The biggest difference I see is Simon, your disc is more on an anhyzer angle with the outside of the disc where you are holding it is higher than the inside of the disc near your body. His disc is on a much more hyzer angle on the reach back. You then snap the disc up in the pull through to go from the anhyzer angle to flat on the pull through.
Simon, it would be great to see/hear your form analysis from an overhead shot. Don't recall seeing that anywhere before, but I think it would provide a lot of insight into the physics of the throw. Also, slo-mo video option might provide more detail.
Thanks so much Simon! I can certainly use an extra 100 feet on my shots! 😎
My take aways
1. casey thrust his left arm to burst some power at the end of the shot, while simon trusts the left arm to add more at thre beginning. casey’s late thrust of the left arm caused the difference in release points by driving his shoulders into that turned position rounding the disc out. it happened in one frame. i am curious if he tried to change the timing of the trust if it would improve his shot. i think simons early arm thrust his better as it allows for more time for the disc to accelerate during the throw
2. casey’s right foot might lack some mobility into supination, there’s some compensation as you see his right knee ends up in full extension, almost appears to be not in control. foot mobility exercises and some stability work could help improve his form. but without a foot, gait and 3D map assessment, I can’t know for sure. casey night just have more mobility in his thoracic spine, hips and shoulders than simon and there fore his body doesn’t reach the point of needing to supinate the foot yet. now I am curious to know if his foot supinates or pronates. i also think simon looks like he keeps his weight on his heel more to short of spin on it while casey shifts his weight more to the outside of his foot. how someone foot moves is very individual and obviously some will be more efficient than others
I just bought a brand new putter D-line P2 I'm loving that putter cant wait to get the skygod 3
Wow that breakdown was really helpful b/c I too tend to have a lot of movement of my reach back and lean a bit more over on my releases similar to Casey, but I’m gonna try to keep the disc steady on my reach back and keep my back straighter. Thanks Simon! Btw Shot of the day was epic!
Thanks for the spin lesson, I'm going to master it sitting home too much.
I love how Simon was so polite about it lol we all know Casey is rounding, another thing I would like to point out is when Simon fully extends his reach back the disk becomes vertical not flat like Casey's apex I've seen this in other pro's wondering if it is on purpose or just a effect of proper form? Thanks Simon I've been playing 10 years and back then we didn't have amazing break downs like this therefore it took longer to break old bad habits I've always said it's like learning a full song on the guitar then realizing it was wrong now you have to relearn it lol it's always harder to relearn..
Thanks for the form comparison. I’d like to see one where you’re both throwing distance shots to see if the difference is still the same or different.
I think the difference in the foot position is the key- the stored energy in Casey’s hips is not completely released until after the disc has left his hand, as indicated by his foot still being firmly planted and perpendicular to the target - which means he has not reached optimum hand speed. The front foot rotation is an indicator that the hips have released- if the front foot is rotated forward, parallel to the target indicates that hips have fully rotated and the stored energy of the hips has been released. When upon release the front foot is still firmly planted, perpendicular to the target, there is still stored energy in the hips. The difference in reach back may have an affect upon the hip release timing. Just my amateur player thoughts.
Great video, best part was without a doubt the shot of the day, Simon's got a little one on the way and will one day replicate that shot I'm sure!👍
the homemade baskets were awesome and didn't look hard to do at all... might try making a couple of those myself