The Western Magical Tradition - Ronald Hutton
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- This lecture makes a survey of learned ceremonial magic in Europe throughout history and demonstrates that both of the customary claims made for it by practitioners since the Middle Ages are actually correct: that there is a continuous tradition of it and that it is ultimately derived from ancient Egypt.
In doing so, it also shows what is distinctive about Western magic.
This lecture was recorded by Ronald Hutton on 24th April 2024 at Barnard's Inn Hall, London
Ronald is Gresham Professor of Divinity.
He is also Professor of History at the University of Bristol.
The transcript and downloadable versions of the lecture are available from the Gresham College website:
www.gresham.ac.uk/watch-now/w...
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The movie going public lost a great opportunity to witness genius when this guy wasn't cast as an Hogwarts professor. Great talk, I learned a lot.
prof hutton is my favorite lecturer ever. i hope he lives for another 100 years
Our greatest Dungeon Master explains magic to us.
This is really a talk in itself. D&D, from the beginning, amassed and systematized a huge quantity of medieval magical lore, some taken directly from writings about the occult, some taken from fantasy literature which had filtered that information. That systematization has then fed the popular imagination through video games, fantasy literature, TV and cinema.
Level 162 and still reporting in.
Always a thrill to see Prof. Hutton's lectures. Please have him on again. Thank you!
Another great lecture by Dr. Hutton.
Oh my goodness, thank you Gresham! Professor Hutton you are an absolute pleasure to listen to. 👏
Wonderful lecture. I'm glad that he mentioned clerical Underground though I've heard it referred to as the secret necromantic underground. Haha.
Thank you very much indeed Professor Hutton. 'Magic', as always!
Nothing changes: the YT adverts that book-end this talk offer to believers instant free heat, Jazz piano in two weeks, even the body of a thirty-year old. Fools with money can be persuaded to hand it over to to scammers. Arguably, a Magician is the second oldest professional. Nice work, Ron. 🎉
No coincidence that both the first *and* second oldest professions involve trading valued goods/money for little to no work!
Wonderful presentation. I love listening to the professor speak! This is such fascinating history. Thank you so much!
Thank you Dr Hutton, and thank you Gresham, education should be free
I agree. Nobody should get paid for this
Education IS free. Getting credit for it is what is costly.
@@StephanieSoressi 😀
Surely the most famous witches now-a-days must be Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg from the Discworld, by Terry Pratchett.
Dr. Hutton actually has his own playlist I've saved him to
I need to make one! I have playlists from the Rhind lectures from the Society of Scottish Antiquarians
Outstanding presentation!
Wow another Prof. Hutton lecture! Love his "stories".
Thank you Dr. Hutton for your endless inspirations!!!!
I am so excited for this, thank you Dr. Hutton!
What a treasure this man is , fantastic talk😊
Brilliant lecture, thank you!
My Ronald Hutton clip watching procedure: 1. Click on clip. 2. Click on 'like'. 3. Watch and enjoy.
Very interesting lecture. Thanks!
Hooo boy a new Hutton lecture!
Splendid, Ronald. Thank you. 😊
A thoroughly enjoyable presentation from Dr Hutton, thank you. Magic as been going strong throughout our supposedly more rational, sophisticated modern society to this present day and will carry on doing so unless people get a truer understanding of their own nature, and to recognize the modern manifestations such as; Advertising and Politics to give just a couple of examples of how individuals and groups can easily be moved as if by 'remote control', to make choices not necessarily in their own best interests, but rather serve the agency executing the magical incantations.
This of course attributes to techniques of mass manipulation much more power than they deserve. The sorcerers apprentice of our time, Putin, is now coming to realize that his spells all failed, that the curses of propaganda and corruption all fizzled out.
What moves people is not magic, but faith, ideology, and self interest, not sorcery and illusion.
Wonderful!
I really wish I had the opportunity to sit in on some of your courses! Love the lecture series, just a great way to relax and learn a little as well... Look forward to the next!
beautiful
Fascinating as always
If anyone is curious, the QR code at 0:07 does work and you can see some of the questions.
It's fascinating seeing Gresham College take the history of magic and atheism just as seriously. Commendable! Makes sense too since the Rosicucian inspired Invisible College met there to organize the creation of The Royal Society (making it a focal point for the weaving of magic, politics and secular science)
I see hutton in the thumbnail I hit play
“Police arrested Magic
And Magic went with them.”
-Leonard Cohen
Brilliant
There's quite a lot of Hoopoes now around in mainland England. There's more and more accounters of them in birdwatchers groups.
DR Hutton is one of my top rockstars. From Monad too creation, all filters forth to return
Guy in the audience "it doesn't work". What a dear😁
I love this man!
So very interesting
Great Show
Thank you, well elucidated
Professor Hutton is great
Bravo! Bravo! 👏 Encore! Encore!
This Lecture is as fine as the suit!
Please, always, have more of our wonderful
PROFESSOR of DIVINITY Ronald Hutton
Lecture Us.
Any lecture, any time, if it's him, I have time!
There are cases of witch trials in ancient Greece too. Theoris of Lemnos was executed for witchkraft along with her children -or her hole family or all of her kind (according to varius translations of the word "γένος") (Demosthenes "Against Aristogeiton")
Socrates in his trial claims the power to curse everyone to their doom as a man who is about to die. Pythagoras, Empedocles and other philosophers seem to follow some kind of magical practice before the Egyptian influence.
Hold on.. When did Ron Hutton become a Professor of Divinity? Is this like when he declared himself a third degree Alexandrian Wiccan High Priest? Is he still a Wiccan now he runs his Druid group in Bristol?
Absolutely fascinating lecture - one point though, I have always associated the magic circle with Honi HaMeagel חוני המעגל (c. 1st century ce) who makes a circle, sits in the center and commands the rain - See Mishna Taanit 3 8.
True there are no compass points and no sign of a pentagram
Hoopoes are spectacular birds, but so are e.g. kingfishers, rollers and bee-eaters. The only thing which singles them out for me are their notoriously foul-smelling nests.
The simplest way to make a pentagram is to tie a knot in a cloth or paper tape. Try it.
I always knew this guy was one of Harry Potter's instructors . . .
Moment for Gary Gygax
Literacy that comes from fasting and meditation so one can feel what arises within emotionally while reading is real literacy which must be first and continually strengthened or none of such learning/being well read can occur.
This also must occur along side moral development....a black witch does not exist or not for long as the loss of power or fall is very fast. Lucifer focused on knowledge and fell, it is only humble motivation by love that brings these writings to be useful for developing power.
Which is to say, as throughout history, less than 3% of the population today has basic literacy. This also hints at the importance of poetry for developing an awaking of basic literacy.
Was just wishing there was something new from the great dr Hutton.
Ronald Hutton, Richard Kieckhefer
Mr Norrell would approve.
With the temple priests in Egypt being so powerful you can see why they demonised magic, makes me wonder if the Egyptians stopped building massive pyramids and enlarged the temples to appease the priests and keep them on his side
Ronnie the Hutt!
Fantastic...thank you...💚
How do other magic traditions like Native American and Asian come to be then?
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I'm interested to know if any research has been done on whether any magical acts seem to have an effect on the world beyond changes in the mental state of the practitioner 🤔 Edit: I see how he partly answered this towards the end
Magic does not have an effect on the material world, no. If it did, it would be classified as science in the modern day. Perhaps in the past there was overlap. Something that was thought to be magical may also have had real world effects. But not because of magic.
Arthur C Clark famously noted that science, sufficiently advanced (relative to the viewer, it must be understood), is indistinguishable from magic.
If you don't believe the truth of this, think about some of the unique interactions you've had with aging or intermittently buggy equipment. You're not sure why tapping the old computer's side just right 3 times and threatening to drop it in a shredder gets it to boot, but it does. Congratulations, you've unconsciously performed a "magical ritual."
Frances Barrett and Paracelsus could have used a mention.
Parliament is a magic trick. The illusion of power.
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Does dr Hutton has any parentage or association with renowned Dr Edward Hutton?
Where there is a law, to condemn some specific act, be sure people are doing that act, a lot!
Just thought something funny. The code of Hammurabi was written during the time of the invasion by the Elohim. Could it have been that the invading gods were jealous of our human talent? Maybe these psychic and magical humans were a threat? They certainly DID wipe out our non material traditions.
Is he AI? That is the most proper cool outfit ever
Magick works most of the time, even for the inept. Medicine is an established set of beliefs based on empirical studies (science) that most educated people believe in, thus the effects brought about by these techniques work most of the time. Much like Magick.
Seems the placebo effect is in play more than you would imagine. Case study: there’s an invisible enemy, terror, virus, communism, etc. an incantation if you will, masses of people believe and start finding said enemy everywhere. Even where none exists. This scenario played out to such an extreme that society has been forever altered.
Are these not Magickal effects?
Are these not Magickal effects?
What if the Romans changed the official view of magic from the Greeks because the Romans wanted to control the world and everyone running around using magic would have been a problem. Ammon said it
Oh! That's interesting 🤔 and very likely true!
Even the bible says be wise as serpents, harmless as doves.
So, even the knowledge was likely a threat to them. Knowing a power other than that of the Faces&Ax...
Oh my. There's so much to think of, research on.
My goodness, what a fire 🔥 you started here!
Thank you❤
@@SkiiDreamr420 I just found this channel of a Greek classisist. He breaks it all down. Fascinating. The Catholic Church official charged him with opening portals. lol. Shout out Dr Ammon Hillman. Lady Babylon is his channel
This lecture assumes that the divination and ritual magic that Romani people brought into all of these areas had no effect on the magic practiced. It still has effect on modern magic practice, including superstitions, tarot/cartomancy in general, and some ritual sacrifices as well
Oh ! And how could I forget palmistry as well
@@TwisterTornado we invented tarot and palmistry and some sacrifices go back into our days as adivasi in India you don’t know what you’re talking about, gorger
@@TwisterTornado also, cartomancy in general was in china first then India then we created tarot, a specific form of cartomancy for divination. Then it was appropriated by Europeans like they did with our dances and music too ! Any which way that we entertained them while they enslaved us. For hundreds of years. “ chauvinism “ please don’t use words that big of you don’t know what they mean, spare us the sanctimonious gotchas that mean nothing and have no basis. If you only know who Sarah la Kali is you’re in trouble, especially because we didn’t practice Hinduism lol
@@TwisterTornado no we left India, never went back. And it’s ROMA. Without the d.
@@TwisterTornado that’s quite literally what gorger means. Non Roma. For somebody claiming they know so much you don’t know even the basics. Also tsalagi historically have no issues with us, at least none that you don’t have with other freedman
0:23 cute pic >_
Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian Magic & Techniques of Solomonic Magic by Stephen Skinner has already covered much of this & it's been written several years before this video. EDIT: Some of the material in this lecture is suspect. I recommend your own research.
Hipster arm chair magician detected!
@@frstnmlstnm8484 nope, practicing magician
MOUTH SOUNDS!
If I wasn't watching, I'd have thought he was eating hotwings.
In many cases there isn't a clear distinction between religion and magic. Any delineations we make are strongly influenced by a traditionally Abrahamic view of religiosity.
People say you are one in a million but there's 7 billion on the planet so you are not special. Winning the lottery is very slim but someone does every day somewhere. I believe in life elsewhere why wouldn't you
Ze Hutton takes out ze magick of anything 😢
Looks very disturbed
Think , your quite mad ,
Divination for intrigue? Okay, well we will see how that works for you disobedient "teachers". Teaching anyone anything for fun and amusement. It is time you see what you play around with says Me.
The Ancient Hebrews did not live in 'Palestine' at the time discussed, as any historian ought to know if they aren't bought and paid for. Poor show, Hutton. Disappointed.
Sorry for him using a colloquialism, not everyone is familiar with the word, Levant
Southern Levant referred to as Palestine from at least 5th century BCE which included Canaanite states, as well as kingdoms of Israel and Judaea…region of Palestine is not necessarily same as Islamic Palestinian states for the 13 centuries up to 1947
The geographic area has often been referred to that way since Roman times
Triggered lol
Oh, please.
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vedic culture is way okder than egypts ccontinuing till today
Yet not a basis for the western tradition.
Yeah, because the west just begins at the Iranian border 😅
Certainly there were no interactions with India whatsoever 🤪
@kontrarien5721 lots of influence that you apparently are not enlightened enough to be aware of.
Vedic culture is not older than Ancient Egypt, Pharoanic Egyptian civilisation gestated circa 3100BC fully formed with all the recognisable traits that are known, the roots of Ancient Egyptian culture stretch back before 3100BC with predynastic period.
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There is a different approach in the common western secularist history and the vedic cosmology, which is theistic.
Western history is bound by the performance of modern scientistic measurements, whereas vedic cosmology was written down by Vyasadeva 5000 years ago.
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Magic is the previous civilizations science which was the ancient Egyptians. They used a pictographic language which is the image of the beast because the Pharoahs were northern Han and the progeny of Neanderthals. The image of the beast is a language you don’t know. A pictographic language. The Northern Han Neanderthal crime family has been marked for extermination. Psalm 21 KJV