Ultra Square Medium Sized Crosscut Sled
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In This week’s woodworking build I show you how to make this ultra square medium sized crosscut sled paired with a Katz-Moses No Deflection Universal Stop Block. I use William Ng’s 5 cut method to square the fence. Having a crosscut sled in the shop is a MUST for any woodworker. They help you safely and repeatedly cross cut parts. They also create a zero clearance so you don’t get tear out. I got rid of my miter saw as soon as I built a good crosscut sled. I really can’t wait to see what you create! Let me know what you’d like to see next. Thanks for watching! Please like, comment and subscribe. Cheers!
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5-Cut Method Formula
((A-B)/4)/Length of Final Offcut = Error Per Inch
E.P.I. x Length from Pivot Screw To End of Fence = Total Distance you Move Fence
If Positive # - Move Away from User
If Negative # - Move Towards User
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*5-Cut Method Formula*
((A-B)/4)/Length of Final Offcut = Error Per Inch
E.P.I. x Length from Pivot Screw To End of Fence = Total Distance you Move Fence
If Positive # - Move Away from User
If Negative # - Move Towards User
*Here's a link to two 5 cut Method Calculators Sent by Viewers to Help Out* The second one starts with my numbers from the 2nd try in the video so you can compare what I did to yours.
windridgewoodcrafts.com/topics/five_cut/
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G_j9__xYZN9IzWCciH8W2MTggQJUVJKUkTU6iNy1XVY/edit#gid=0
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fyi I have a sawstop and emailed support and they said aluminum miter rails were fine since they are not touching the blade, so I installed aluminum rails and no problem
Jonathan, I am confused by this formula. Not by the math but thr recommendation on direction to move the fence. Your two links seem to contradict each other about which direction to move fence based on pivot point and sign of error. I think the one you present in this video might be the incorrect one. The first link is correct but second link pointing to a Google spreadsheet seems to be incorrect about direction of fence. This is all under the assumption that away from user means forward and towards user means backwards as far as moving the fence.
Thanks for all the kind words ☺️☺️
You deserve more you maniac!
You two rock!
Well deserved praise for Tamar
Tamar is ridiculous! Amazingly creative, if only my mind could get remotely close
@@katzmosestools Will your stop block work with the Kreg's Top Trak and measuring tape?
I have this stop block this is the best on the market
Absolute love the “we don’t hide our mistakes”. There are so many times when I feel defeated by a project so hearing these pros talk about their mistakes is really motivational in those times.
I also love the fact that he mentions how to fix it post-factum and how to avoid it in the first place. Very well spent 15 minutes on this video!
Yesterday I was chasing 90 degrees with no luck and realized I forgot to divide by 4. Today I got back at it and got to 0.00104 using playing cards. Thanks for the instruction!
To take the play out of the runners, just iron on a strip of melamine edge banding to the edges of the runners, trim off the excess and sand the edges. When waxed, the edge banding also runs smoothly. If slightly tight, just sand each side that was edged. Works for me. This is a good video and great for newcomers to woodworking!! Cheers from Australia.
I'm always amazed by the quality of plywood in videos. Even my woodworkers source does not carry ply with this many layers and no voids.
Look for Baltic Birch. WAY better than plywood.
I was thinking this exact same thing!
Have to agree with Jonathan-Tamar is fantastically creative and clever.
Guys, Moses, Tamar ( 3x3 Custom ) , & Jason Hibbs ( Bourbon Moth Woodworking ) are the strongest You Tube channels to follow. I've been doing construction for over 22+ years and they have humbled me happily. With their ability to teach an old dog new tricks. Using Katz 5 cut calculator on his web site and Tamars sled blueprints. I got my sled squared down to 1/512". I am so damn excited. I could write a short story about the impact these 3 have had on me, but I'll simply say,
" Thank you guys "
In the process of building my crosscut sled, was coming back to this video to review and just ordered the stop block, and a saw with a set of dovetail jigs :) Thank you for the videos they are always my favorite
Waiting on the stop block. When it gets here this is the sled I build. Thanks Jonathan!
Just bought stop block - can’t wait to built the sled. Thanks for the video.
Simple and beautiful!
I just got a KM stop block today and then I checked and this video came out. I need to make a cross cut sled too. The KM channel knows all.
Appreciate the precision that goes into your work, and the effort that goes into your videos. Nice work!
@katzmosestools - Thanks for breaking this down in a very digestible explanation. Love the content. I got it down to .0001 !
Just Got my stop block in the mail and Love thanks!!!
Great Video. Much appreciate you helping those new to woodworking
Good looking sled! Thanks for sharing.
Jonathan I love your videos and just ordered the stop block! I like your quick pace! Keep the videos coming!
JKM, great video. I just got your stop block and will be using a combination or your and Tamar's videos to make my sled. My two favorite woodworking MoTs. Please keep the good stuff coming!
I just made a new crosscut sled and will try this method. Had to get one of your stop blocks as well and it is excellent!
Great video and instructions. I'll be getting a new table saw next weekend. This will be one of my first projects after squaring up the saw.
Alright I'm here. Nobody panic. Got Mother's Day festivities going. Sorry I'm late.
Love the build. Only thing I did different is put 2 T-tracks running parallel to the runners so I could add more clamping options. Also a safety block for the blade coming through is worth mentioning.
Thank God! We were worried about you!
😂😂😂 👍
got my KM stop block a few weeks ago...can't wait to build this sled!
Finally building my new fence using your video, and your stop that I got from The Builder's Challenge. Can't wait to finally have a decent sled!
By far the best explanation of how to do this that I have seen. Im off to the shed
Thanks Mr. Katz-Moses!!! I used your method to make my first cross-cut sled and got -0.0005 :) I’ll call it good enough!
Great video! I purchased your stop block! Can’t wait to use it!
Just got my stop block today.. works great 👍
Finally ordered my stop block, don't know what I've been waiting for. Your videos have been so helpful over my last few years of woodworking, I appreciate all of the info you've been providing along the way!
YES!
Picked up your stop block. It is great quality and well thought out for use. now time for patients on the 5 cut method.
Excellent explanation and the calculations work perfectly.
Building it this weekend!
Excellent, I was just thinking I needed to make a full sled. Time to buy another stop-block.
Nice! And yes I believe it is time.
Woot! All good things! Thanks again my guy!
My stop block finally arrived yesterday from black friday shopping! (in Canada so things take longer). Now if the snow would go away for a while so I can upgrade my sled with it! Love the videos, always get so much good info from them!
love your informative videos and explanation of the 5 cut method. I ordered one of your stop blocks waiting on delivery
Thanks for detailed information and interesting video.👍👍👍👍👍
Just ordered the stop block! btw. Very good stuff!
Loved the way you broke down the 5 cut method. It definitely intimidated me before, but seeing it done in the way you did it makes it seem much more approachable. Thank you, I will definitely be adding a no deflection stop block when I make a sled!
Graydon, make sure to check out the spreadsheet that I created. Jonathan links it in the notes below the video. It'll do all the calculations for you and tell you to move the fence forward or backward and by how much!
Oh, man! Thank you for the tip on fixing a tiny amount of play in the runners!!! I was so bummed this morning after my runner glue-up and had a fraction of a degree of slop. You’re great!!!
You can thank Tamar for my stop block order... Her demo sold me! Can't believe she's only been at this for 5 years > Wow!!
The shimming the runner trick before attaching just saved me the same mistake. Thank you!!
I bought one of JKM's stop blocks, and love it....if you don't have one...get one!!!
The 5-cut mehod calculator on your site it amazing! So helpful. Thanks!
Hey John, bought the T-Track, and I'm already half way through Tamar's Mitre Jig build, just need those T Tracks!!
I have never made a cross cut sled watched your video and on my first re move of the fence got it to .001 ! Thanks man!
And just like that the salesman for red t track was jobless!!! Great video as usual. I love my stop block and Tamars videos.
Ok this was fantastic
I just ordered the tracks and stop block! Gonna build this in 2 to 6 days! 😁
I just built my first sled following the video. The error on my first attempt with the 5 cut method was 0.000269. I think I'll call that square!!! Thanks for a very instructive video!
Thank you for simplifying this. i just noticed my sled is a little off and was about to throw it out a window. 😅. You do great stuff.
sincerely, a Newbie Woodworker
Great Sled!!
Johnathan, EXCELLENT tip on shimming the runner in or out to maintain a snug fit! I actually cut my runners slightly under-width and just shim towards the inside of the slots (the outsides are not parallel on my junky table saw...) and always end up with a snug fit on my sleds. I use cutting board material for my runners. It stays slippery and doesn't wear down. That stop block of yours is pretty amazing!
When I made mine I predrilled a series of pocket holes on the fence. I used one or two to get it square (5 cut method) then fastened it down with the remaining holes.
I like the way you make a cutting tool for the table saw

The price on the t-track is awesome! I didn't have a source for it before but I think I do now.
I really enjoyed and learned a lot from your video. Just finished my sled using your stop block and now will spend time to make sled square with fence. Can’t believe that after all these years I did not have a sled with the features to make the work more precise and enjoyable.
Thank you...love your stop block. Bob
I respectfully love your last name.
Great Video Jonathan, I love my Suizan Saw!!
Yes! Thanks Cory!
Great vid. Built Tamar’s multi-sled today and used your 5 cut method and got .0012 after first adjustment. Sold me on the stop block. Can’t wait to try it!
Great video as usual!
Thx, Jonathan. As always, good content. Just pulled the trigger on a Katz-Moses stop block.
You'll love it!
Awesome video, thanks for sharing.
I am in the process of making my first cross cut sled so this is mega helpful.
I am from the UK and am really pleased you ship to us, so I’ve just ordered your stop block and T track 🙏
I have watched over 30 videos on crosscut sleds. I blame a combination of COVID boredom and my dissatisfaction with the first one I built several years ago and no longer have. I have to say that THIS is the best one I've seen. It's not the fanciest, by any means. In fact it is exactly the right amount of fancy. Plus it was clear, straightforward, and well produced. Thanks!
Hi. The 5 cut method and your calculator also works on panel sleds (where the fence is on the front rather than the back)... However in order for it to give you the correct direction where to move the fence , the "A" Measurement should be the side CLOSEST to you and "B" Measurement is the one furthest from you , otherwise it tells you to adjust the fence in the incorrect direction - cheers
Great video. Was looking to make a new one. 👍
Brother, you are my new favorite person!!
Just purchased your stop block and the T Track from your link. Thank you for all the vids you post. Just got out the army and I am 100 percent disabled and woodworking has just recently came into my life and I'm loving it. Keep posting great vids and coming out with great products.
Thank you for your service my guy!
I loved your comment to that troll on Tamar’s video. 👏👍 Thanks for the easy explanation of the 5 cut method. I get it now.
The finger wipes of glue on the apron was classic!
I love how all of builders/content creators support and give each others shout out and props!
Maybe they are all
Stacking each other’s backs
Thank you for all the content you put out. I recently had to make two sleds. I had to watch this video over and over. I just couldn’t make it work. I ales watched William Nag’s video. You are cutting on the right side of the blade. William cuts on the left side. You instruct the viewer to move the fence towards the user if you get negative number and away if you get a positive number. William instructs the opposite. I did figure out why. But I think it should have been explained why. Not a critique. I value you sharing your love for wood working. I’ve learned so much from you.
For those in Australia like me, ordered my stop block on Sun. 13th Feb. Arrived today, Tuesday 2nd March. THAT is impressive service!
Beautiful!
Thank you!
Simple, easy to fabricate. Great looking with the Baltic Birch plywood. Mathematics is not my forte sot it will take me more attempts.
Just ordered my stop block, oh and a dove tail saw how could I resist.
Bought a Katz Moses stop block. I LOVE it. Best stop block by a country mile! Very reasonable price, too. The stop block has as much integrity as the creator and that's saying a lot!
Great Video Bud👍
I call Tamar the Jig Whisperer. She really impresses me with her ingenuity. Simply a smart a very smart lady.
Good job 👍🏼
👊
William Ng cuts a blunt wedge on the front of his scrap wood to give a more positive interface with the feeler gauge. On the last sled I made I over did this and made that angle too tight which defeated the object as the point was a wee bit flakey, and I ended up needing two goes to get the fence down to .02mm after sanding the wedge to make the pointy bit firmer. However I am thinking that the next time I do this I'll use a DTI to measure the deflection as it is a) more accurate, and b) shows any movement when inserting the screw. I always clamp the fence before drilling and screwing, but even putting on the clamp can cause movement. A lot of engineering tools like DTIs, and 1-2-3 blocks can be super useful in a wood shop. I use 1-2-3 blocks to extend the range of my digital calipers for instance.
I'm going to use a corner on a 1-2-3 block when I make my next one.
Followed your guide here. Dunno how you managed it in just two attempts. I probably had to do 8-9 tries before I got it to zero out. Love the stop block I got from you as well.
instead of using a screw on the opposite end of the pivot screw, you could put a threaded insert at the end of the fence and thread in a bolt to clamp the moving end of the fence. No need to screw and rescrew.
I bought your stop block. Nice! I also bought the cheaper t track you suggested. The track attachment screws were run in almost perfectly, but not 100% perfectly, and the cap screws you furnish with your stop block interfere with the countersunk t track screw heads, rendering you stop block unable to slide along the t track. Should be a better clearance tolerance for slightly less than perfect countersunk t track screws. I solved my situation by grinding down the head of your cap screws.
A comment on your sled assembly process - when you removed the non- pivot screw from the underside of the sled, you correctly left the whole sled on the saw. While you didn’t mention that, it’s important step. I removed my sled from my saw to make the adjustment on my bench, and adjusted the fence the 5-cut calculated amount. I go to put the sled back on the saw, and it would not budge along the slots. Guessing that removal of the screw allowed the sled to spread apart/narrow a little, rendering the slots no longer registered with my sawtop. Ugh!
I like the idea of clamping to a level. I use one of the cast iron tables (saw, jointer etc.) when at my Menz shed, but I don't have a super flat surface at home. Even the job site saw I have at home is way off flat, and the aluminium table would pull out of shape if clamped to anyway. I've seen some of Tamar's videos, but if JKM is impressed by her, then I can see I need to binge watch my way through her entire channel.
She's so amazing
Tamar is awesome!
Shes the best
I love her videos!
I made my own version combining this and Tamar’s ideas (no extra fence, it’s not that useful). I then set up to do the 5 cut on my sled. My final cutoff was dead square to the thousandth. No adjustment needed.
So I’m quitting the wood game.
I’ll never make anything that perfect again.
I’d love a hinged version of the Katz-Moses stop block though. Might convince me to start back up.
Truly gifted in what you do love your work would love to learn from you.. your infinite table is awesome could you please send me the plans for this
Really enjoyed this! The one thing I'd say is William Ng had one bit of advice that's great and missing here. If you do the math and you get some odd deflection that isn't able to be easily replicated by a combination of feeler gauges, just adjust the length of the back board that you're using in your calculations and adjust the little stop block accordingly. You should be able to get a nice fraction by adjusting that distance
I found the five cut method interesting and curious. I used to work at a large Architectural woodworking company and operated a Martin table saw with a 10' L sliding crosscut and a computer controlled horizontal panel saw. The method we used was take a 4 x 8 sheet , make a trim crosscut on the end , flip the sheet over and make a crosscut with a 1/4 scrap left over. Snap that in half and if the thickness is the same then you are dead nuts square. I just used that method to build three table saw cross cut sleds. Let's call it the KISS principle. Give it a try your, mileage may vary. No need for complicated math or using feeler gauges. Good luck.
got mine to -0.00036 . Not too shabby i think, haha! Thanks for the helpful video!👊🏻
To all the men out there who don't woodwork, happy mother's day.
Lol! I just got it 2 hours later
How’ up, are you calling men that don’t woodwork women or am I missing the actual joke.
Zills Bills - I think it wizzed past you! Took me a bit too!
I like that wrist watch 👌🏼
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A good way to fix the 'play' in your runners is to drill a few holes thru the sides...drill and tap them...and place set screws in them to tighten them as much as you need
Awesome sled. I loved Tamars, but that that’s above my level. I really like the simplicity of yours. Those plastic strips Tamar used were great for the runners. Surprised you didn’t roll with that?
Perfect quarantine video! I should build a crosscut sled anyways.
Orders Katz-Moses Stopblock.
Gets Stopblock in mail along with heart dovetail sticker
Wife: You should make me one of those for my desk!
Back to the Katz-Moses store to buy a dovetail jig I guess...
Well played Johnathan....well played...
Hahahaha yes!
I'm just a beginning woodworker, but I am very good with math. The 5 cut method is brilliant math. I watched at least 5 different people demonstrate the method. At the end, most of them pulled out a combination square to see how well the method worked. Well, why the heck didn't they just start with the combination square on the blade and fence, if that was their measure of success??
Well, just for fun, I tried the 5 cut method on my new table saw sled. After several tries, I wasn't much closer than when I started. So, I started over squaring up the blade and fence with a combination square. THEN I ran the 5 cut method to do the math for fun. I was only out of square 0.0016 of an inch. Hahahaha. The 5 cut math is pretty cool stuff, but I think I'll stick to a good quality square.
I love watching your CZcams videos and Tamar also has some awesome stuff! I bought your Stop Block and can't wait to start using it on the new sled. Thanks for all the tips!
I have one complaint about the video. It was so well done that on my first cut I had a deflection of -.00105 so I didnt get to move the fence. Will buy one of your stop blocks, great video!!