"How The Haight Ashbury Scene Actually Got Started" Janis Joplin Mgr. Jeff Jampol
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2021
- Jeffrey Jampol who is the legendary artist manager to Janis Joplin, The Doors and many more shares some knowledge on how the Haight Ashbury became a cultural explosion in the 1960s.
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Funny, I thought Albert Grossman was Janis Joplin's manager. Considering Jampol was 11 years old when she passed in 1970, this is more than a little misleading. He manages her current catalog, but NEVER managed her directly. Also, taking the word of someone as first hand knowledge who was 7-8 at the time is a little suspect
Calm down dude. No one can ever talk about anything?
You can't really talk with authority about these kind of things if you weren't there. You can give an informed perspective, that's it.
@Derek Bury: Thank you for that important disclaimer.
He specifically says "the stories I hear and discussions I've had with people" he didn't say he was there. He does a great job on the timeline and the connections of the people, better than anything I've read or heard previously. When all the people who were actually there are dead you need historical connections like this one
yes! no way this guy is old enough to be around back then. Way too young. Stories may be true, but he is not.
My dad hitchicated to Haite Ashbury, I was one year old, he was gone for about 3 months, one day he just called my mom and said Pick me up at the airport at 8:00. He really didn’t like it there from
What my mom
Said, he never talked to me about it, now he’s gone and I wish I would have asked! Thank you 🙏
It was such a shame that the CIA brought drugs into the Haight to ruin the scene. I bet that's what your dad saw.
1090 page st. Not Pine. I have never heard of this fellow & have done a lot of research of this time especially on Janis & big brother. Strange his name has never come up. Perhaps it is a coincidence.
I always imagined Haight Ashbury in 1966 as probably being like Seattle in 1989--and a place and time I would have rather been, before the world descended on either place. Before the first band that was ever signed to a major label crept out of there to nationwide exposure, and everyone wanted to go there to live because they thought it would be "cool" to mess up their quiet, peaceful, loving little world. Every artist I heard of who lived there has said the REAL "Summer of Love" was in 1966
It was ‘66. We were all 16 and hung out on Sunset Strip and Laurel Canyon and Griffith Park in S. Cali then (love-ins in the park every Sunday) in ‘66, ‘67, 68. I remember saying to my friends: “this will all be over by next summer” - “the d.j.’s or newspapers-made it up about next summer!” (‘67) LoL. Trust me, it was not “all over” but kept moving “all over” and was at top speed all during late 60’s, no matter what year except for the streets which started to fall apart after 1968 when we graduated high school. We were as someone said “the epicenter street kids on weekends.” but the most innocent and incredible time for the haight before becoming a national target for run-always was ‘66.
@@Eidann63 You weren't the only one who predicted the end of the peaceful counterculture. Frank Zappa, whom I consider a "prophet", predicted the same thing in CBS television's expose "Inside Pop: the Rock Revolution", airing in April 1967, but actually filmed in late 1966 and featured scenes from the Sunset Strip. Frank was being interviewed and already predicted its end, when it was supposedly just beginning!
There are several errors in his narrative of events. He says, " Jack Kerouac ended his On The Road trip.....with Neal Cassidy, and Cassidy ended up staying with Ken Kesey." OK, Neal Cassidy first met Ken Kesey in the summer of 1962. The idea for On The Road was first outlined by Kerouac in the late 40's (and there were several trips--not a single "on the road trip"), Kerouac completed the famous long scroll manuscript in 1951 and had a hard time getting it published. An edited version was published by Viking in 1957. So to say the trip (again, there was no single trip) ended and then Cassidy went over to Kesey's is not accurate.......also......Kesey's place was at La Honda (not Rio Hondo as stated by Jampol), and Kesey published One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest in 1962 and Sometimes A Great Notion in 1964,Jampol says Kesey used the money from the second novel to buy land--might want to check the timeline on that. ......also.....Oct 6th, 1966 was when LSD became illegal in California, but the Death Of The Hippie parade staged by The Diggers was a year later. ..............also, the Warlocks were never "hired" as Jampol says, by Kesey. The were called The Grateful Dead the first time they played an LSD party in Dec 1965. .................also, Jampol makes it sound like a conversation between musicians is what "started" the Haighty/Ashbury scene. Nope. There were all sorts of community events going on including the free clinic, free store, underground press, other literary folks, The Diggers, etc.
1. Death of the Hippie mock funeral took place Oct 6, 1967, not 1966. Death of the Hippie was meant to represent how mass media killed the spirit of Summer of Love, not LSD made illegal. 2. The Diggers did not start the Oracle newspaper. The Oracle was started by the Thelin brothers who owned the Psychedelic Shoppe. 3. Ken Kesey grew up in Oregon, but I doubt he was a Lumber Jack. After he wrote One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, he moved to La Honda (not Rio Honda). Sometimes a Great Notion was written later. 4.Paul and George were not “coming to the Haight”. Paul visited the Airplane in April 1967, George visited the hippies in Golden Gate Park in Aug 1967 (George thought the scene was disgusting).
And there is a photo of Jack Casady and Paul Kantner with Paul McCartney in the Victorian Apt shared by Casady and Marty Balin at the time one can search for.
And thank you for adding those needed corrections!
FACTS.
Nice to see someone getting the facts straight.They were going off at an interesting tangent when he said the real summer of love was '65 ',66 not '67....but then got side tracked into the usuall clichéd story....pity
...your perspectives are subtle and factual. I hope you offer others a deeper understanding...perhaps through a playlist of, say, five songs with brief commentary. (ie, "Saint Stephen" = SF Monday Night Class Stephen Gaskin (Acknowledged as a fellow Zen Master in RI, etc.)
@Ronburger8136: You are also in your 70’s or 80’s now - like we all are - unless you have really researched this. I was there too only based in Los Angeles in the mid to last 60’s as a high schooler who spent every weekend in Hollywood on Sunset Blvd and Griffith Park(every Sunday) for the love-ins. We went to the Monterey Pop Concert in ‘67 (all 3 days) and traveled to S.F. to see what was happening there about once a year. The summer of ‘66 was the true “summer of love” and by ‘68 (by the time George and his wife Patti Boyd) visited the haight, it was a drug addicts dream and trashed out with runaways and curiosity seekers (and we were all graduated high school down in S. Cali., and headed to different directions) The true 1960’s Hollywood “street scene” - as David Crosby used to call us - was breaking up that summer and gone by Fall that year, though a younger group slowly moved in that hung there to/thru early 70’s. They weren’t the “hippies.”
These stories would make a great documentary. It’s people like you who keep the music alive. Thanks for sharing.
Check out the documentary "The Life and Times of the Red Dog Saloon". It was over the mountains in Nevada, but it was really instrumental in the development of the San Francisco scene. There have been a number of books, I think one I read was San Franciscan Nights. The TV documentaries in recent years have done a decent job, but tend not to get deep enough into things.
John Stegmeier thank you I will and appreciate the recommendation. I’ll let you know after I watch. Have a great day.
Your intro sounds like Prince playing piano, the beginning of purple rain
👍
When you study other sources about this era and "scene" , a lot of the things mentioned in this video don't tally up . For example , the Death of Hippy staged funeral was about the commercialisation of the hippy ethos , rather than the banning of LSD .
I was a foreign visitor in the Heights in the early 80-ies. 1983? We stayed in a house with many people. I remember the whisky jug and the joint being passed. Some lady in the party had a special dignity because she had been active in the real days. In the Heights I remenber also a fight against transient business and as a blessing also some art activities like a woman in indian dress sitting in an indian TeePee in a street window and making interesting smoke puffs up in the air with some device.
Jeff is so cool...
i would like to see film from 1966
0:49 I have been saying this since I was a kid. SF has never been and never will be a nice and clean place, we've always been dirty drug addicts, skating in the streets, smoking weed thats been our fucking culture. Techies tried to clean it up in the 90's-10's but failed miserably. The metreon was a cool place tho I appreciated that much from the techies.
The carefree days of being a hippie. All you had to do was play music and stay stoned all day and you could change the world. Didn't quite work that way.
No, it didn't.... Then again, people still listen to this music. New artists still credit these artists as influences. Civil rights have become more equal. We no longer have laws against interracial marriage. Same sex marriages are legal. You don't have to fear being beaten because someone doesn't like your hairstyle. People aren't being sent to prison for possession of small amounts of pot. Maybe they did make a difference and maybe some of it was for the better.
The certainly seem naive when you see old interviews... of course, news reporters probably chose to show naive people.
I know a lot of people who went to Berkeley and lived in the Haight in the 60s. Not only were they activists then, in ways that made visible changes, they are, to this day, still working to better the world. Several of them are working to make indigenous people throughout the world economically independent; several more are helping assure that disadvantaged people have access to good prenatal and birthing care. They have never stopped changing the world.
They just have more pushback now than they did in the 70s. A lot of people these days resent people in need being helped.
I don't know who this guy is, but he's got all his chronology screwed up, and an incredible number of names and places wrong.
Jesus, this is some of the most screwed up nonsense I've ever seen about events which are almost always misreported.
...take an older person whose accumulation of childhood impressions offered the seedlings of a vibrant young psyche uniquely situated at the epicenter of an American Renaissance...that person will venture outward into a world of studied interests and transformative experiences.
Do you know if Paul ever got the bass?
Tell me more!!
the high watermark
I guess you weren't there. ✌️
That's pretty clear.
The 60s developed some of the most outrageous rock ‘n’ roll. And the scum remover developed in the 70s got us to where we are today in 2023. 99.98% of the people with visions for their own future, failed, in their attempts at reinventing scum remover.
San Francisco is totally ruined, so sad, a great city gone
Either way you looked at it, people were looking for a party, it was all drug and sex induced. The Haight and Ashbury "Summer of Love" was basically publicized by the media, and by then the question of experimenting with drugs was answered because 98% of the youth were addicts or on the road to be. The hippy movement was a branch from Bohemianism. That was an unconventional lifestyle born in the late 1800s in France by the artists, actors, writers and poets that were touched by Romani gypsies and how they led by their own laws, acted how they pleased and never allowed religious or pillars of the community to dictate their passions and drive to create as they saw fit. It led to the beatnik, the hipster then the hippy. It all went wrong once drugs were brought into the mix. The hippies had heard that native Americans used peyote for a more conciseness' in their spiritualism. The laws were not yet set in place to make them illegal, but the shroud was placed more by a person's ethics or morals. Most of the people were privileged white kids that were rebellious and undisciplined within themselves. It was all new then, so very tempting. It drew any groups of people with no direction and had quickly come used to the lazy, unstructured lifestyle of the hippy. It started a drug culture that is still destroying America today and was a useless piece of history. If you want to know what hippies were like, go to any liberal run city to where the homeless are, they lived the same way only they wore floppy hats and wore colorful paisley and pastel colors. The ONLY thing they taught was how NOT to act. I can't stand it when the young liberals of today just like then get up in public chanting a bunch of demands and going on about people. To run life, you must first experience it. Thats why every successful society has the elders decide. If you're in college sit your ass down and shut up, you can't even take care oof yourself yet, don't ever yell you'll tell me how to think...
This guy's pretty sloppy with the history, has a lot wrong...seems kinda full of himself
He sounds like a real asshole.
Paul is dead man, and so is Mal Evans.
This guys a bullshitter since he not old enough.