The Bizarre Masterpiece Microsoft Abandoned
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2023
- The Project Gotham Racing games were well known in the early 2000s and they were the go to racing game on Xbox before Forza , how does PGR 4 hold up after so many years?
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Let me know what you think of the PGR Games and would you want to see the older ones like PGR1 or 2 covered on the channel? Have a wonderful day everyone ♥️
Would love to see an easy step by step tutorial on how to get Metropolis Street Racing and Project Gotham Racing 1-4 to run properly on PC with emulators - if that is possible - and if it is playable with just a keyboard 😅
2 is the best
IMO, making a complete history of these games would be amazing, especially since you can see some of the design choices they've made over the years and how they, for example, have refined the Kudos system with every new iteration!
Please cover PGR2
I remember playing this game as a demo waaaaay back when stores had 360 demo displays, and was blown away by the garage feature, something that I thought more racing games would integrate! And this is years before Forza 4's Autovista mode!
The Snowy Nurburgring is terrifying
Also, attention to detail for speedometer of each vehicle is pretty neat
I could never complete a lap. I had vivid memories of that snowy track later on when I started doing endurance sessions of the Ring in later Forza titles. Now I know every turn and would probably still be terrible in the snow.
@@117johnparI remember having so much fun on that challenge where you had to drive the 50’s Maserati race car on the Nurburgring through a blizzard...at night. Took me a while to beat, but definitely worth it.
i was never able to finish that shit as a kid lol
if you were having fun with it in the game, then it's not a defect that people usually put in all games
PGR2 was my favorite time on xbl, it was one of the only racing games at the time you could play online so EVERYONE who raced at the time played it. Man, that game and community was so damn fun
God I love PGR, PGR3 and 4 still hold up today and look perfectly serviceable.
It's such a pity the series died when it did because there's such a drought of competent Arcade racers at this point in time.
Fax PGR 3 is one of my favorite games of all time. PGR 4 was goated BUUUUUT PGR 3 is better in a few ways. Either way they’re both masterpieces.
@@yeezyszn7208 in what ways? If I'm to add one to my collection which should it be and why?
YES.. Easy TOP 3 for me, and I've played a TON of racing games. PGR2 & 3 especially were fantastic. Bizarre Creations RIP.
@@walterroux291 Well PGR 3 had a garage system where you could organize cars in garage’s you unlocked and I think there were five garages you could have that feature isn’t in PGR 4, you earn an actual money in PGR 3 so I think the progressions a little bit better in PGR 3, PGR 4 the currency was basically kudos to buy things. I disliked that personally. However, PGR 4 had bikes the game looked a lot better the dynamic weather was phenomenal, the car list in PGR 4 had waaay more cars. But PGR 3 had more Zaney and wacky concept cars. Honestly…
Just get both they’re super cheap. They’re well worth the money and time. Trust me I’ve played through them probably more times than I can count.
I recommend buying both since they’re pretty cheap but if you only want one like you said, just get the third one.
Also PGR 3 had the GT90 I mean come on…dude you got me waxing poetic about it. Thiiiiink it’s time to replay it again for the 10th time 😂
@@walterroux291 I forgot to mention PGR 4’s car sounds are *INSANELY* accurate to real life. Over a decade later and it has the best car sounds in any racing game ever.
This game is really from an era when it felt like the game developers knew what kind of details would work well. Things like the speedometer are a cool touch that just adds to the immersion, especially when you don't want to drive using the cockpit view. Great video!
PGR2 had working odometers on each car inside the rev counter. Also clicking RT would bring the stereo head unit down over the rear view mirror, every circuit had a few radio stations which had different DJs, ad jingles and playlists. That was super cool, driving the Porsche 911 GT1 around the 'ring, listening to Rock am Radio. Very cool
I have met a lot of people who preferred this to Forza. I am one of those people. I would love to see this franchise get revived.
PGR 4 to this day has the most realistic and accurate sounds of any racing game to date. The car list was also perfectly done as all of the car classes have enough variation and differences where it never feels stale. You almost forget you can't upgrade your cars on this game with how fun it is.
I don't think it's the most accurate but it sounds cool for sure, but like Codemasters is light years ahead anything specially on Dirt Rally the first on my 5.1 when going loud really sounds like live Rally and even something super old like Colin Mcrae 2 already sounded pretty good for back then.
Also one that makes amazing crazy powerful sound effects for almost 2 decades is Simbin and their latest title the Judd engine car is just OMG, but sadly not all cars are very amazing...
Other game which is pretty damn good and also feels accurate sadly is Need For Speed, but for ages it's pretty much just sound and visuals cause I hate the game when I loved the real old ones a lot.
You clearly haven't played modded Assetto Corsa on PC. Really good mods take actual sounds from cars from various sources and implement them into the game with FMOD etc.
@@rundattmedia2106 I have totally played it but in terms of mods it's a whole different thing cause even for crazy outdated game engines there was already crazy powerful sound effects with even super basic sound engine that support only a few changes.
This is just an example:
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@@guily6669 haha yeah I was replying to op not you man, but yeah it's a whole different game now! absolutely crazy, I mod it myself and I am heavily involved with it. I adore the game, this was released recently: search youtube for : SHOWCASE - T51R RB26/RB28 Soundmod | Turbo, Rolling Anti-lag | Assetto Corsa | Work in Progress
I also have some old vids on my chan
The turbo noises are orgasmic
PGR 4 - one of the best Arcade Racer of all Time. Spend so much Time with this, back in the 360 Days.. 🎉
I remember playing hours of "cat and mouse" at nordschleife in PGR. 2 teams, each one with a mini, the rest are hypercars. 1st mini across the line, wins. Everyone else is either blocking the other teams mini, or pushing theirs.
Absolute madness.
Dude Cat and Mouse was the Best. What an original game mode created by the online community.
There's a suspicion in my group of Live buddies that we may have come up with this mode. We lived on this game and Midtown Madness 3 just messing about evening after evening and we started playing this mode. We then started joining lobbies where other groups were playing it. Completely unprovable, and maybe one of the group brought it over from another lobby, but still.... we like to believe it. :o)
Project gotham had a vibe that no other racing game series has come close to beating, very sad that it got abandoned.
Why does this game look so fricking good man? This looks like a drive club if it was made in 2007. The attention to detail is great and the lighting is just spectacular. Even the weather is in the game and for 2007 standards i think that was really impressive cuz forza received the dynamic weather in 2014! Thats 7 years apart! The game engine they used here is just pure magic if you ask me. Also the developers were really talented. I might hop on this game again. I really enjoyed the graphics and the scenery of it.
Well, Driveclub itself was a more of less a spiritual successor of PGR series mainly PGR 4
Who knows porobably Evolution folks taking inspiration of PGR 4 when they developing Driveclub
PGR 2 showroom is goated, when you consider the time. Playing PGR2 at the height of early Xbox Live was amazing with all the chat between everyone and a community that was super active and competitive
loved PGR4, every single car or bike felt unique. I really enjoyed the sledgehammer corvette and the EVO
The graphical jump from 3 to 4 is insane!!! 4 looks essentially like I imagined 3 would look back in March 2005. Unfortunately I played PGR3 for six months straight online until Bizarre for whatever reason changed the online tournaments. I never found the time for PGR4, only played the demo.
Sooo, Microsoft, where the hell is the Series X backwards compatibility???
If Activision owns the franchise, there's your answer. That, and probably licensing.
They don't even have their own in house Forza Motorsports series on back compat because of the licensing nightmares(between all the music, all the cars, all the ancillary brands, these deep racing games have gotta be the biggest headache)
As everybody else mentioned, the amount of detail in this game is insane. The map in Saint Petersburg is the most detailed map of a Russian city EVER made in a game. For some reason, Bizzare Creations didn’t care about any copyright infringements at the time, so St Petersburg map is copying everything from the real life, including the vulgar graffitis on the walls! You can compare it to the real world map in Google street view to find all the shops in their right spots, McDonalds, KFC, Burger King, Calvin Klein, even the underground casino’s sign is precisely where it was in 2007! This game actually shocks me
I fell in love with PGR3 first before PGR4. They both have special place in my heart. Can’t believe Microsoft abandoned this.
Imagine a pgr game on the Xbox series x utilizing the full power of the series x. Instead of making a Forza Motorsport for the XBox series x they should have made a new pgr game from the ground up for the series x, I think that this was a missed opportunity by Microsoft. It could be on par with the graphics from the new flight simulator game if not better. Looking at the sneak peak of the new FM games I don't even think that the new Forza Motorsport game looks that good as it is promised to be and I don't think it fully utilises the full power of the series x.
Sony are like this as well they don't care about their old IPS such as infamous, resistance, sly and Jak and daxter. Imagine a new infamous, resistance or even sly game utilising the power of the ps5
This is still one of my favorite racing games of all time. Every car felt different, the dynamic weather was amazing (especially fog), and the environments and circuits were just and interesting and well thought out as the cars. Such a shame the series died after this game
If only these games were added to the Xbox backwards compatability list. I still have my OG Xbox and 360 but sseeing them on One and Series X/S would bring a new generation to the series.
PGR2 on XBL with my friends was one of the best times online. We set out to get top 100 on all tracks. We would come home after school and put in laps for hours. The CLK-GTR, GT1, and SPEED 12 were my favorites. Driving the Enzo was awesome too! Even the “slower” cars EVOs, STIs, GTRs all felt so balanced.
PGR 2 had a showroom you could walk around in and see all the cars you unlocked and even take them for a test drive. It looked a lot like an international auto show.
I love the PGR series. It was the best and maybe still the best multiplayer racing game of all time.
I had MSR as a child and have played all the PGR Franchise games. Wonderful in it's time, I remember the third installment being my favorite, I still believe I'm #11 on the leaderboards there. lol
I think the reason this game is so enjoyable is due to the 'fun' ethos of its developer Bizarre Creations. Whitelight actually mentioned in his Blur video that towards the closing days of Bizarre, several employees felt that they would never work at a studio like it ever again. But at least some of them went to Playground Games after the closure.
Well it's not far to move going from Liverpool to Scotland to work, so for Playground it must of seemed serendipitous at the time to get top class talent in as they expanded operations.
@@darthwiizius Agreed, but Playground HQ is at Leamington Spa. That's actually even closer to Liverpool where Bizarre used to be
@@Artificeral
Ah OK, I don't blame them because Leamington Spa is quite a pleasant town.
PGR3 & 4 taught me so much about racing theory when I was a kid. Brings a tear to my eye every time I play it.
i still remember playing pgr4 with my brother and there was a certain track that had a crest/bump near the end of a long ass straight, we'd time it right so that whoever was on the bike got over the crest right as the player in the car hit the bottom of the bike and launched them into the air, such a fun game even when played properly
I loved PGR3, first game I play on the 360 back in december 2005.
The graphical jump coming from the PS2/Xbox was really something, especially if you had an HD TV.
I've played PGR 4 quiet a lot. It's a Shame, that these Series was buried so early... 😔
Used to play Project Gotham religiously. We even invented a popular game mode through the online mode. Everybody was broken into teams of 2. Each team was designated a colour and would have to choose 1 mini cooper and 1 supercar. Whatever team got their mini cooper across first was the winner. Supercars were used to push your Mini Cooper faster or take out other teams mini coopers. We called it Cat and Mouse and became pretty popular.
4:02 Well its hard to find it today. Back in 2000s it wasnt uncommon. This was the Tony Hawk and dirt 2 era mind you. The clean soulless whiteboxes of todays games werent really a thing back then.
It took me years to know the Guia Grand Prix circuit is like separately licensed to other games like RACE PRO, making PGR4 Macau uncompleted.
Drop hours on project Gotham racing the car collection you learn those cars by doing the drifts and the kudos system trying to Max it out trying to see how fast the car can go how fast the car can slide how it performed against other vehicles in its class racing around different cities.
I honestly wish there were more car games like this game where you can drive around the city and every type of car sports car trying to see what it can do with the fun rewarding point system I would buy a game I told you about the racing today right now
Am I the only one reminded of Driveclub by this game? Or rather, vice versa. Beautiful graphics, skin editor, dynamic weather, multiple "hub" locations with many different route variants, a points system where you're awarded for driving stunts... Driveclub also had the bikes expansion but I don't think you could race bikes against cars like you can in PGR4.
Really enjoyed the Video. The Editor did an Fantastic Job. What i really liked about Games like PGR and for example Test Drive too is the Attention To Detail with the Different Speedometers fitted to the cars. Maybe with the New Test Drive, we will hopefully see the Feature return
It was all about PGR2. We created 'Cat & Mouse'. It was incredible. We managed to organise teams in random lobbies with strangers. Truely a different era, and different community, when gaming wasn't mainstream.
Cat and mouse is 100% a PGR2 creation
Dopeymonkey ❤
This is where the addiction to video games started playing Cat and Mouse on PGR 2 with Xbox Live and the little flimsy headset, my Dad and I would play for hours.
No batmobile, feels bad. Also "Catalina Lopes" as a Portuguese name just gave me ligma 💀
Great video as always dove, I love discovering old titles like this
Watching this video really shines a light on how great the environment of PGR was, driving down city roads plastered with adverts and people watching in the crowd just makes the world feel so lived in. As time went on, seeing anything like this beyond 2009 is very rare. I dunno, as much as I love the Forza Horizon games, besides the first one, I didn't feel like there was a connection between the festival and races but if you boot up PGR4 from 2007, I can feel like people went to go see a race event in the middle of New York, London, Tokyo, etc. PGR4 feels very grounded.
Great Video DoVe, I really enjoyed it. I might dust of my copy of PGR4 and play it soon
I can't speak for other cities but it was an eye opener to see the detail in London in PG3, real world shop chains, independent retailers, real government buildings etc. I know MSR also did this first but to see it rendered so clearly was not usual back then. I oft wondered if those shops had to pay or to be paid to be put in the game, I like to think the devs just called up their PR depts to ask and the PR guys just said "sure, knock yourselves out".
Bro. These videos are soo good. Something no game has ever succeeded after pgr4 was the car enthusiasts dream lists of available cars and the game had airy and atmospheric car sounds, something I miss on current games. The car sounds alone was worth playing for.
i'm mostly a sim racer, but PGR 3 and 4 are still the most fun i had online. the idea of over powering the strengths of each vehicle made for so many position changes during a race. the tracks are still amongst the best even today.
Thanks! This video brought back some great memories! I went to check my old games collection and sure enough, I still have my old copies of PGR 1 and 3!
Love how much like Test Drive, your Tach in the corner of the screen is in style of the car you are driving thats the bit of detial I loved with a passion from Test Drive 1 and 2.
I absolutely loved this game and Bizarre Creations holds a special place in my heart since they also made Formula 1 97, my favorite F1 game of all times. I miss these days.
I remember buying this game and wanting to returned it at first. But we gave it another shot, learned how the driving mechanics worked and then it became an obsession. We freaking loved it. PGR4 and Grand Turismo for PS2 are the All time best racing games 😎💪
could just imagine how good that series whould be now man i would buy it today if it came out.
I love this game. The theme song and the intro video is stuck in my head. Many many years later
Metropolis Street Racer was he game that got me into racing games all together. After playing MSR, PGR, PGR2, PGR3, and PGR4, I think MSR and PGR2 were the best in the group. MSR probably for nostalgia reasons, but PGR2 just had a great mix of locations, cars, music, etc.
playing online with your mates was great too, you had so many options to play around with, weather, time of day, what cars/bikes, track reverse/mirrored, lap size and you could set what vehicles the Bots would be driving. if you wanted 30 laps in snow with every vehicle being a mini you can. superb racing game that i miss so much.
I only played PGR4 never had the opportunity to play the others but it was so much fun I’d love to see it come back with a new game or just a new gen remaster
I'm 21. I only played PGR2 when I was like 7-12. Judging by the fact I'm watching this video and still think about walking around the dealership and driving the XLR, Enzo and MR2 in that game to this day, it was really good lol
PGR2 remains one of the best racing games ever made. I adore 4 for including bikes, but the tracks and the way the career progresses in 2 are even better.
didn't even need to see the game before I know what you were talking about.
I had Metropolis Street Racer on Dreamcast (probably still do somewhere haha) which is where the franchise started. The driving physics and presentation were all there even back then.
Kudos for the video sir! ;)
I used to play football with the guys from Bizarre Creations in Liverpool, very early 2000s. A great bunch of guys and girls.
I used to work in 1 unit away on the Tech Park.
Love the art of rally soundtrack in the background, great video :)
I never played 1, but PGR2, 3, and 4, were all way ahead of their time. Absolutely brilliant games.
PGR3 was the first game I ever played on XBOX360 at a car show. Loved it soo much that this Playstation fan boy got a XBOX360 instead of a PS3 (Circa 2007?).
I got PGR4 and played it for hours.😊
There's just something about hurtling cars around a snow-covered nordschliefe while late 2000s music like Kittie plays
PGR4 was great fun online. Loved the Subaru 22b and the RUF RK Coupe handled like a dream. ST Petersburg was awesome fun.
“This game was oozing with style” and so does this video. Really enjoy the new video format lately, keep uuuup 🫵🏻
Thank you, that means a lot!
Man this brings back memories playing PGR 2 everyday just going into the showroom and seeing so many cool cars and test driving them
Ah man this was my main game for a couple of years. Loved the black FXX in "bulldog" - was a blast.
You just unlocked a memory for me. I loved PGR i couldn’t play it enough as a kid
PGR 3 was the first 360 game my dad bought along with the console. I’ve got some good memories and have the menu theme burned into my head lmao
Wow project gotham, that takes me back to a memory i had burried for a long time. Good job on this video! I really thought PGR was gonna take off into many many sequels, it had the potential.
This game still has the most accurate representation of Shanghai. It surreal seeing the streets you walk pass every day being turned into virtual racetracks, even after all these years.
as a kid who played pgr and forza 1/2 ... i thought they were made by the same people 😂
i remember playing this game back in 2009 on xbox 360 i was in love with it, alot of cars and motos to unlock and many places to explore and beautiful yet bizzare vibe the game gives you while playing and in the menu, i can safely say this game is way ahead of it's time, it's so sad it was never brought back again, wish we can see it again.
Fun fact: Playground games' Initially pitched making a project gotham racing reboot before deciding at the end to go for forza horizon.
Takes me back to when i got my XBOX360 in 2008, i played this, GTA4 and Saints Row 1 tons, i miss those days
I still play PGR4 TO THIS DAY on Xbox 360 with my Thrustmaster Ferrari Wheel!!!! It is one of the only games with split-screen racing with cars v.s. motorcycles, lots of fun for drifting through Tokyo at night 😎😎
PGR2 was and still is my all time favourite arcade racer
Awesome racing game, It always felt a little more serious compare to other racing games at the time.
I remember re-visiting the game on the mobile version for the Zune HD, played that soooo much
Ive been replaying PGR4 lately on my old 360! Its still AMAZING. Gaming unironically levelled off at the 360 era. Its still perfectly food today
PGR was my go-to racer back in the day, loved the handling, it had a nice balance of sim and arcade where you didn't feel like you were playing a cartoon like Burnout but you could also be quick without a steering wheel setup unlike today. If you nailed the throttle in a rear drive car it would kick the tail out, if you lifted mid corner it would tuck the nose in, it felt real but forgiving and fun. I liked the urban racetracks that gave you lots of nice breaking references unlike sims of the day where you just had a few marker boards at racetrack corners. I also loved the fact the cars couldn't be altered, you chose your car and learned how to drive it, a Caterham and an AC Cobra had to be driven very differently and lap times could be directly compared to others in the same car. Nice range of options too from short to long races, eliminators, one on ones, top speed challenges etc, the only thing I wasn't a fan of were the fecking cone challenges...
Great game, I tried the first 2 Forza's but they just didn't do it for me so I bailed on racing games.
[Insert any old game] was so great because they did [insert some useless feature no one ever used] and it's so much better than [insert any new game]. Back then, the developers put heart into their games, I mean look at the details [they didn't, new games have better details which no one praises].
PGR series was a masterpiece, so sad that it's abandoned. Sometimes I wonder if there's really no way to bring it back as remastered. Even in 720p I think it's still playable in today's standards. Gameplay was awesome
Great to see this game getting some love. Absolutely love it and I'm replaying it RN :)
Also Blur is very fun! Besides the AI getting some tweaks, I wouldn't change anything :D
I hope we get a new one :(
Man, I played the heck out of PGR 1 and 2 but never played 3 and 4. Never looked them up either, no idea why. I remember them being extremely hard at higher difficulties, but that's probably part me being a teenager with little racing game experience.
This video made me excited to play 3 and 4, gonna try to get them and bring the 360 out of storage!
PGR2 was a masterpiece. Cone challenges on platinum baby!
I adored PGR3. I wish I could still play it on Series X. I used to hold top-10 positions on the Nordschleife in most classes
You've really been nailing down these videos about obscure racing games, all of these has been an interesting watch!
I never knew Microsoft were doing racing games like this aside from the Forza franchise. Another wonderful and well put together video! Props to you and your editor! ☺
Thanks. Ms Erika
@@ShariciteAlways a pleasure, You have done an amazing video. 😊
If you’re interested, Microsoft published a few more racing games back in the day: Rallisport Challenge, Sega GT Online, Midtown Madness 3, and Quantum Redshift.
I have both PGR3 and PGR4, and I still enjoy them despite owning an RTX 4090/13700K gaming PC.
I mention that to accentuate the contrast of my point: when a game is fun and has lots of impressive details, frame rate and graphics comes secondary!
I forgot all about this game I used to walk around my garages and I discovered geometry wars and I’d just play that after I got all the cars I wanted
That mini game is my favorite game ever
I owned PGR 1 and 4. The first game holds a special place in my heart, it had this incredibly immersive atmosphere, and the soundtrack was amazing. The forth game however, was an ambitious piece of art, they put in so much into it, it's ridiculous. There's so much content in that game. Really sad to see the end of series like this.
PGR3/4 and Blur will always be my all-time favourite racing games, and it's only now that I learn that they were both made by the same developer. I really don't understand why Blur didn't sell well, it honestly was the most fun I'd had with a racing game since the PGR series.
I will forever hope that they will somehow make a comeback.
A racing game and a shmup built-in? All it needs is a fighting game part and it ticks all my gaming boxes.
one of the best racing series of all time. absolutely love pgr 2 3 and 4. i think driveclub on ps4 was a sort of spiritual successor to pgr. you could tell that the developers vere big fans of the pgr series in their game.
Having bikes and car together was the #1 reason I liked the game.
project gotham racing is the only reason I know geometry wars and I will never forget it
you refresh my good memories... thank's
Microsoft doesn't understand racing games. No Forza game has come close to PGR.
Topped the kudos leaderboards with my roommates back in the day. Still have Xbox live friends from that daily grind. Good times.
The car models, for how old this game is, look so damn good! It’s a shame I never played this!
I remember this game when I was a kid damn it was fun
"life begins at 170"... Loved this game
I loved this game! I didnt get a 360 until 2009 and had this and FM3, both top tier.
I use to play on a projector and 360 wheel on release, it had a mad online racing. We all raced the same crew i can remember f40 was sick
I remember playing the demo of the 3rd game at walmart back in the day. Remember when walmart used to have console demos on display you could play?
Wow.
PRG2 with the expansion pack..online...to this day the BEST online fun I ever had..
Ah, memories of the Nords in classic Minis in the snow online, incredible fun.
And not mentioned, but: the menu music is Prodigy - Shadow...
Never knew of this game's existence. Thought it was about people street racing in Gotham city while batman tries to stop them or something like that kek.