Jeff discusses Ryan Davis passing away and the aftermath. (from January 20th, 2023 stream)
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2023
- From a stream on January 20th, 2023.
Discussing the aftermath of Ryan Davis passing away. Some stuff here that has not been discussed before. Also briefly touches on the recent GB layoffs.
This entire section is really interesting, I narrowed it down to this clip but if you're interested in more, it's there. This is from about 3 hours into the stream.
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I love Jeff Gerstmann. He is absolutely my favorite voice in gaming journalism. He is unapologetically Jeff and thats what makes him great.
I can't wait for the "tell all" book Jeff is gonna write in about 10-20 years.
It's gonna be nuts.
Heart goes out to Jeff.
LOVE RYAN DAVIS!
Absolutely cannot wait for that book!
Aw. CZcams erased my reply. For any mods or whatever, "Fuck Ryan Davis" is a loving meme from the GB community from the 00s
Also just want to say this was really hard for Jeff to share and really personal and I really appreciate him sharing this with us.
This re-contextualizes a lot of Giant Bomb's history. I was under the impression that Ryan's passing nearly ended the site right as it was picking up momentum, and Jeff made previous comments that suggested they considered shuttering the whole site instead of continuing without Ryan. In reality, Ryan effectively saved the site and gave Jeff the leverage he needed to stay with the company.
It was so tempting to say "Ryan Davis died so Giant Bomb could live" but that seemed really corny to say...even if it is at least partially true.
@@KaneRobot It would have been better if GB died then.
Ryan Davis and Jeff would still be buddies. They would find another route to do this, like they always did
@@KaneRobot Doesn't seem appropriate since Ryan obviously didn't sacrifice his life for the company. His death was just the dramatic moment needed for people to actually take stock in what Giant Bomb was. Much like a close friend discovering they have cancer, it's that helpful reminder that life is temporary and much shorter than you think.
@@KaneRobot - well, more "tasteless" than "corny", but it sure seems like there's a lot of truth to that
@@KaneRobot Working at a place where it takes a coworker's death for the people in charge to realize you were doing good work and popular for it must have sucked beyond belief.
Ryan Davis was a real one. RIP. Thanks for sharing Jeff.
Jeff and Ryan were the best duo in gaming ever old Giantbomb was amazing
Never could be replicated. Vinny & Drew was also great.
That era of Giant Bomb is peak Giant Bomb to me. The live shows, the humor, the output, etc.
Absolutely. For real, when GBeast shuttered, I dropped Giant Bomb altogether. The vibe is a bunch of weird children that love Kingdom Hearts too much since Jan and Ben, sorry.
@@Virjunior01 I stuck with GB until Brad, Vinny, and Alex left. Then it was on life support. Even though I loved Jeff the vibes with Voidburger and some others annoyed the absolute fuck out of me. Jeff leaving sealed the deal of GB being a dead brand no matter who still likes it.
Those first 3 or so years were just something else.
man, Jeff's speech from 7:25 onwards really hit me hard as I try and figure out what I'm doing with mine. Thank you Jeff for your words.
As someone of a particular generation that used to watch both Jeff and Ryan from their Gamespot days in High School, the death of Ryan Davis really threw me for a loop. I remember learning about it, getting into my car to go get a coffee or something, and then having to pull-over to just cry a bit.
Same here. I remember walking to school listening to the bomb
Cast on my iPod nano. When I heard I had to go on break at work. It’s crazy how I still link about ten years later now in my 30s. Ryan was part of my youth.
I can relate to this
Can relate, listened to the hotspot in school and then arrow pointing down and the bombcast, and was listening to these guys at a pretty formative time in my life. I've never been so upset by the passing of someone I don't know.
@@ktmiddlestadt Similar experience, it was a strange feeling. Someone I hadn't met and mostly only knew through his voice. And I had listened to every episode after a friend introduced me to the podcast and I decided to go back because they wouldn't just talk about games and gaming news. I wanted to understand the references. Luckily I think I was only less than 40 episodes behind so it was quite doable to catch up.
I did watch their amazing E3 streams where they would have developers and journalists roll in and out. Making it feel like you got a backstage pass to E3 of what must be like hanging out with them after hours. The closest thing for those of us who would never get the privilege of going to E3. And when they did things like the Bioshock infinite Spoilercast where they talked about it while they watched Vinnie finished the last portion of the game. But mostly I listened to them with my Ipod Nano.
I didn't quite realize what big of an affect they had on me until that day I read the news. I was in disbelief, the first episode back doing the memorial podcast found myself both laughing and crying.
And now its a similar thing after Comicstorian passed away. Its not the same as losing a family member or a close friend, but they are people who have become a safe constant in your life. They are with you during the really bad times and make you forget your troubles for as short as 10 minutes to multiple hours. Hard not to think about the terrible people who get to make it to 90, and then good people like this are taken far too soon.
The "I live for a lot more shit now" hits a certain kind of way
Ryan is one of the few times I've cried over the news of someone passing that I've never met. I remember driving to mow my dad's yard when I got an alert about it. Ryan's passing is STILL felt. Giant Bomb was fantastic after for MANY years (until a while after COVID hit) but nothing matches the Ryan Davis era of Giant Bomb and everything that they did. The live shows, TNT, Uprofessional Fridays, Big Live Live Shows, etc. Jeff never really laughed the same way after that, to me, even when he clicked pretty hard with Ben. Things change but I definitely miss Giant Bomb.
Yes when I learned he died it killed me. It still kills me. Giant bomb is a huge part of my life
Maybe saved my life. I worked at a sweat shop and listening to yall helps.
When I learned he died it was a gut punch. I was on my lunch at work, 2 days late to hearing the podcast. I was sad bc nobody I know was a fan
Anyway I still miss him.
Jeff sharing this info with us was such a wild ride.. super unprecedented and caught us off guard. We see these personalities we have grown up with (and love), as bigger than life a lot of times- but at the end of the day they are mortal, just like you and I.
GB was there for me in the years after I left home and moved to a new job in a new city where I knew very few people. It was lonely times, but their content during that golden era was so good that it felt like I had a close group of friends to hang out with every night. Never met the man, but I was devastated when Ryan died.
I'm in a similar place as Jeff now, with a wife and a kid and another on the way. I'm happy he has his new thing going that allows him to live a more balanced life and spend time with family.
OMG I was just listening to ep 500 of the bombcast where Jeff was clearly talking around some of the stuff he is laying bare here.
I really appreciate Jeff being open about this, it was clearly difficult to talk about at points
It's wild to hear Jeff be so open toward the end of this video. Like others, I have spent countless hours watching/listening to content he's been part of. Literal years of my life. Way back to the Gamespot days, Arrow Pointing Down, beginning of GB, etc. I literally grew up listening to him, Ryan, Vinny, Brad, and all the other crew that came along the way. I wish him and everyone else the best of luck in whatever they do. And I'm glad Jeff realized there was more to life than what he was doing and decided to take action when he determined that's what he wanted. And it's crazy to see him have a family with (very soon to be 3 kids) and think back to those early days.
I don't really watch too much Jeff stuff these days and never go on GB anymore since the GBeast split. My connection to the old GB days is through Nextlander right now and I feel bad I don't watch Jeff as much as I used to, but so much of his energy was feeding off other people as well and with him being solo, it just doesn't feel the same. But his wealth of knowledge and personality is second to none.
Thanks for everything Jeff, really.
Jeff, I've been with you since Videogamespot days. You are a hero and a champion. Thank you for talking about thus kind of personal stuff. Lots of us miss Ryan, but talking about him makes me feel so nostalgic.
Mad props to Jeff for being totaly real about it all. I enjoy what Giant Bomb is currently, but man, do I miss him and the older crew who are no longer there.
Stay real, Jeff. We love ya.
Out of all of my decades on the internet, my para-social relationship with Ryan Davis is the strongest. I never met that dude in person, but I miss him like an old friend. It's very weird to me.
One of the best days of my internet life was when he liked a tweet i sent him
Agreed
Ryan.
Forever young.
Forever a loyal brother to Jeff.
Hope you're happy and doing great as well.
Thanks for sharing, Jeff. Those truly were the days. RIP Ryan
Thankful for the insight
I appreciate Jeff talking about this, it hits so close to home and it's hard to turn into words. I don't think there's anything more sobering than having one of your closest friends who you grew up with suddenly die in their prime. We get in the grind of life and advancing our careers and whatnot but when your "Ryan" dies, it makes you stop and think about what the your actual purpose is on this planet and what you want to get out of it. Your priorities then change for the better. It's almost like your friend's final departing gift to you, bittersweet as it is.
I do wish Jeff would appear on Nextlander occasionally, few times a year or something.
I think there's bad blood between Brad and Jeff.
Yeah that won't happened... Jeff was pissed they all left, kinda blindsided him. One of the reasons he ultimately left GB...
@@Ashley_Schaefferwhen it happened (I remember the podcast when they announced it) it was like, “Hey - Brad, Vinny and Alex are heading out!” and we were all like, “Gee, who is the only person NOT leaving??” It was super odd.
I do hope that they reconcile at some point. When they were on back in those days - “Brad, Jeff, Vinny, Ryan” - every Tuesday was MAGIC. I really really miss it - selfishly.
You could hear the tension in Game of the Year stuff. Jeff’s wanting to put his opinion over all others always felt like it was crushing everyone else. But I hope they just can have some reconciliation.
@@devrongrant2183 Agreed... I was an old time GB paid member... Before they were bought by CBSi... UPFs were the highlight of my week... Some of the best podcast/live-stream moments of the modern gaming era.... Now it feels like their brand was diluted into oblivion... Vinny, Ryan and Jeff were the dream team... Honestly I feel like the writing was on the wall when Drew left...
@@Ashley_Schaeffer Sigh. Now I’m depressed. UPF. What a great fun way to end the week.
Damn.
I'll never forget being in my campus' library, studying for a test and learning about Ryan's passing while listening to an episode of the Bombcast. At first, I thought it was a weird joke, but once I found out it was real, I had to leave campus immediately because I was holding back tears. A few days later, I went to a girlfriend at the times house and started talking to her about it and just started crying. I felt so silly crying over someone I didn't even "know," but then my girlfriend reassured me that it's OK, since this person has been in my life for literal years.
Anyway, thank you so much for sharing this, Jeff, and I understand completely what you mean about not wanting to fuck around anymore. I've always had immeasurable respect for you, but this put you on another level.
It’s cool you were willing to be vulnerable about it and it’s cool your girlfriend gave you the right feedback. It’s healthy to mourn what we’ve valued. Thanks for sharing man
Coming back to this like a year and a half later. Realizing that seeing Jeff talk like this about his work might’ve given me some courage leaving a shit job back then (“Not for these people. Not for ANY people.”). Then thinking about how I started following GB folks a good 15 years ago, how much Ryan’s passing affected me in college. These folks talking about video games has had a bigger impact on me than I thought. I’ve realized it’s influenced how I approach work and how I think about how to have healthy passions.
This really got to me, in a good way. Jeff is so real here, and I have no doubt Ryan would be overjoyed knowing he's happy and focusing on the important things in addition to videogames.
Nice clip. Do your thing Jeff.
We kinda grew up w Jeff, and I'm happy he is still around. I really appreciate this guy! I think we all do.
Thanks Jeff
Always admired Jeff. As a dad of two boys 3 and 1, I couldn’t agree more with his take on prioritizing fatherhood while they’re young. You quickly realize most things work related just don’t fucking manner.
Big love to the Jeff man. Keep it real. Everyone take care of yourselves.
God bless ya. Jeff your a real dude
Jeff Gerstmann is still a threat. I remember when Ryan died. So tragic.
Damn, heavy stuff. Wish I could just give Jeff a big hug
I hope in 9 years he's able to share what went down last year.
He's said already. They weren't letting flex in a way he wanted, and he was going to quit. When he said that to them, they fired him.
@@dancinginfernal I didn't know that. Which stream is it on?
@@dancinginfernal kind of weird they didn't let him quit. Corporate usually prefers quitting because they don't have to pay out
@@JosephTavano Other way around. If they fire you, you lose your benefits.
@@JosephTavano It was one of his streams back in July I think. I can't recall specifically. If you look around I'm sure you can find it. Either that or it might have been in his interview by Ben Hansen after his departure.
I absolutely miss those days back then during this era he's talking about. I used to love listening to them on the Giantbomb podcast and wouldn't miss a single episode. They had a chemistry together that couldn't be matched by anyone in the gaming space. I'd bust a gut listening to Ryan laugh at a joke or something as his laugh was contagious. Damn I can't imagine how badly it killed their spirits when he passed. I wouldn't dare miss their E3 episodes for nothing as that to me was some of their best content. I just enjoyed their community and their sense of humor. It's sad that we'll never experience that combo of people again. Ahh man thinking back on their reviews and the famous "don't shake the baby" bit lol. They're the only group of people who I actually went and purchased something from their website to support them. I bought a Giantbomb hoodie and still have to this day. One of the elbows is a little worn out from me playing games for hours back then with it on from my elbows resting on my knees while gaming lol.
I re-listen to the Ryan podcasts just to hear his voice again. They're the only podcasts I can listen to. I'm turning into a historian of 2008-2013 video games.
Rest in peace, Ryan.
@@VinceLyle2161 Cheers!!
Thanks for all the great molements, jeff
I'm younger than Jeff (35) but watching what happened to him in Gamespot and Giant Bomb really influenced my own decision to start my own company and never be beholden to anyone. And I'm so thankful I did all those years ago, it's really paid off.
God damn I love Jeff so much
Damn, that was intense. I had missed this, I don't usually endure Jeff's solo podcasts.
Honestly I've been missing his rapport with others and I wish he did something with the Nextlander guys someday, but this video settles it so clear, I can only be happy for him and wish for him to enjoy life as much as he can. He deserves it so much.
Loved the Whiskey Media days. Ryan was a legend ❤
Nice upload.
He should just do a history of the behind the scenes stuff, I’m sure there would be interest
Man. I took a picture at work of a order with the name Ryan Tazewell. I shed a tear.
Jeff is the realest in the game. Dude is the only voice these days in games that I trust outside of skillup
I still think about Ryan often. I watched this crew since the Gamespot days. Very sad.
I'm so bummed we never got a Patreon group setup thing with at least Jeff Gerstmann and Vinny, and that he doesn't do anything with Nextlander so far. Everyone was fine but I could listen to Gerstmann and Vinny for the rest of my life they counter each other so well.
Did the public ever find out what happened with Ryan? I remember at the time it was assumptions of just not having his sleep apneia whatever machine while on his honeymoon which is nightmare fuel
Love you, Jeff. Never change.
RIP RTD.
It's a sad and happy thing to know that from the passing of Ryan, Jeff managed to get his life back on track and quickly get married and have kids. Death certainly puts a perspective on things x
Poor Jeff
thanks for sharing. This is important. gb was never the same.
I always thought gb should've been independent. Even whiskey days weren't so strict as cbs
It's hard to go fully independent though. Especially with their format.
i still miss him.
I had no idea GB was risking being shuttered before Ryan died. Giant Bomb was ahead of its time with the emphasis on personality driven content.
I had a similar thing happen to my friend group. We were a large ish group of high school kids and one summer two of us died in a freak accident. It ended up bringing the group together more than they were before.
Same shit happened to my friend group, two of the group died the summer before my senior year and there was always a clear delineation between the "before" times
I love(d) Ryan and Jeff. I miss Ryan and will follow Jeff in this gaming shyt until he quits for good.
I forgot about this. The algorithm reminded me.
I loved the original Giant bomb/arrow pointing down. It sucked when he passed
I hate to say this but it was Ryan's death that made me aware of Giant Bomb in the first place. I never heard of it before, the issues that happened at GameSpot all happened before I started paying any attention to any video game website or personalities. But I did start to get into podcasts around 2011, one of which was IGN's Podcast Unlocked. On that they took a moment to talk about Ryan and his then recent passing, to acknowledge his contributions to game journalism and such, and during that they mentioned Giant Bomb. That, in turn, was what led me to the site and the crew.
I probably would have found Giant Bomb on my own eventually regardless if they talked about Ryan then or not, and Giant Bomb would very quickly become one of my favourite video game related media, but I will always feel bad that it was Ryan's death that brought me to it. I wish I had found it under better circumstances, that I had found it and enjoyed Ryan at a time before his far too early death.
This is surprising to hear in one way but in another not at all because I am literally one of the people who started following Giant Bomb in the aftermath of Ryan’s death. I have just gone back and listened and watched so much Ryan content since then that I forget that sometimes!!
Nice to learn, outside of it being a shock there wasn't a lot of finer details ever. Sure Jeff's leaving out like 10 years about his relationship(s) but that doesn't matter, heh.
I wasted my 20s and now in my 30s i feel in running against the clock. After the 7min it got me deep.
I wish he would talk about what happened when Vinny, Brad and Alex left GB. From an outsider's perspective they worked together for so long that it seemed like a betrayal to leave Jeff like that, but there was obviously more going on there.
They've all been very transparent. The production method wore on then, and after 15 years they wanted to try something different. Their momentum just happened to align. No bad blood or anything, just exhaustion with management and ownership deals, etc. Vinny elaborates in the MinnMax interview.
@@dancinginfernal Oh I didn't see that, i'll check it out thanks!
@@vpofrentemspoons2278 maybe, but I can imagine them becoming "woke" as the culture has shifted too (similar to RoosterTeeth). (I assume Trump's election legitimately terrified a quite a few people - especially those in lib-dense areas like LA and NYC - and help accelerate "woke" culture; being terrified of Trump tbh is absurd to me)
@@TheFingledorf what
@@TheFingledorfdefine "woke culture". But silently to yourself. Nobody gives a fuck.
🥹 Love Jeff
Jeff’s Beyond the Mat moment
I still care about Ryan, RIP..
parasocial relationships are weird. having said that, super happy Jeff found what he was after.
Miss the old Gamespot crew ❤
Ryan passing was a massive shock at the time. it's really sad all these years later. I just wanted to see his face and hear his dumb voice goofing off on a quick look and I find this. man, what Jeff is talking about at the end there is exactly what I've been dealing with for the last 6 weeks.....
I'm always interested, what you have to say.
Wow that was heavy. Much love to jeff and the giant bomb and gamespot crew. They were the gaming community i wanted when there was none on the internet. My gaming enthusiasm and love for learning about everything comes from all of them. But what Jeff says rings true in this video feom about 7:20 on. Once I had my son, i pumped the brakes hard on gaming, because this is a hobby and my son and wife are my life. Everyone please learn to have a balance.
He’s got a great voice - if he branched out from gaming he could do voice overs or radio haha. Such a rugged voice.
Still the goat
Jeff doesn’t want the next generation to suffer the same way as he did 11:43
That’s why you can’t beat 100 percent
100 percent is what turned him into the self loathing Jeff we all saw and grew to adore in the early days of Giant Bomb.
100 percent is part of the reason why Ryan died
100 percent is why Drew left.
100 percent is fucking toxic bullshit thats been shoved down our throats and maybe, hopefully we're gonna stop teaching that to our kids
even in death he serves
It'd be cool if he hired Jason.
There does come a point in your life when, once you've dedicated so much time and love to games, you have to let other things in. Happened to me.
wow
8:16 is some real shit.
I can't forget...
That Bombcast with the announcement was released on my fuckin birthday, July 9th.
I was all amped to listen to the show, and then a ton of bricks got dropped on my head. Seriously, it was the first time I ever cried over an entertainment personality's passing, and the second was David fucking Bowie. Never happened since.
Poor old Jeff 😢
so who was the person in charge of whiskey media (i assume) that he said was an idiot?
Been watching Gamespot / Giantbomb since the hey day. Cool to listen Jeff being real. Rarity.
In spite of having been personally attacked by Jeff in a review, I have to say I sympathize with the sentiments.
Why isn't Jeff with nextlander
Because he doesn’t want to
Glad he's not. I miss Vinny once in awhile but the rest I can take or leave. Jeff doing his own thing is much more appealing.
Jeff is not sidekick material.
I wish he'd occasionally collab with them but I understand why he's not there full-time.
Jeff’s villain arc is complete. Giantbomb was always Ryan and Vinny. Jeff was always a passenger.
thug 1 was fucking awesome