STOCK 603 606 Pumps, MAX BHP???? Dieselpumpuk

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  • čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
  • I hope this helps answer the commonly asked question, what is the max power from a stock mech pump.
    To buy a Dieselpumpuk custom pump click the link below
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Komentáře • 118

  • @jasoncampbell4723
    @jasoncampbell4723 Před rokem +23

    While you explain what’s going on, no one watching this is doubting your knowledge about the Merc injection pump. The level of skill, knowledge and dedication you present about this subject has everyone sitting on the edge of our seats.

    • @WoodworkingforAnyone
      @WoodworkingforAnyone Před 4 měsíci

      He gets an awful lot of love and respect. As one should if they manage to make injection pump videos bingeable. Now that i think about it I'm even more impressed

    • @johncunningham4820
      @johncunningham4820 Před 2 měsíci

      Not just the Mercedes Injection Pump . ANY injection pump has the Same Constraints . Inline or Rotary .
      It's kinda like trying to find the Optimal Ignition advance on a Petrol Engine , for the Fuel Ratio you have .

  • @roadiesgarage3816
    @roadiesgarage3816 Před rokem +23

    This whole video explains perfectly why we went from idi to common rail with the civilian world on international diesel engines. They pushed the idi very far with the bs emissions stds. Common rail made things much more efficient.

    • @centheiatrust9153
      @centheiatrust9153 Před měsícem

      While common rail direct injection made things more efficient, what you are missing is, it generates more soot and cuts your engine life by about 35 to 40 per cent.

  • @Klumpi84
    @Klumpi84 Před rokem +8

    Thanks for explaining video 💪
    But I need to mention, he is talking about wheel horsepower not flywheel. At least that confused me. You can see that @18:44 , wheel hp is 69,3 and flywheel is 101,7, so 32,4hp drivetrainloss

    • @beautgrainger147
      @beautgrainger147 Před rokem

      I was thinking the same too, but as drivetrain losses are often described as a percentage loss it means that doubling the bhp theoretically means doubling the loss, so the result would still be the same doubling of whp.
      To illustrate,
      100hp - 35% is 65hp
      65hp x 2=130hp
      200hp - 35% is 130hp
      The obvious other way to gain power is swapping an auto to a manual transmission.. -25% loss would be 150whp

  • @zbobach
    @zbobach Před rokem +7

    I like that billet pump. As everybody had marked already, you have very good cnc machining opportunities. I hope that soon we will see a billet block for om606, om605 and maybe om604 engines, and their advantages and disadvantages.
    Bless you , everybody

  • @mmurfin8170
    @mmurfin8170 Před rokem +12

    Short hand version of this: injecting the same amounts of fuel over a shorter window ( closer to TDC) will get you way more efficiency for a huge number of reasons I haven't the space here to describe. But I will take a crack at it. 1. Mechanical advantage, do the trig and you'll see that due to the way that the piston travels,(piston speed over crank degrees) your optimized moment of power production is concentrated from TDC to just past the mid point in stroke. 2 Thermal efficiency, keeping your combustion in a smaller space with a dense air load present keeps more heat out of the cylinder walls and into your working fluid (air) its easier to soak that heat into the air when its in a smaller place, and you've exposed less metal ( cylinder wall) during the hottest part of the burn. Theres a bunch more physics and equations to show why shorter injection is much more desirable (to make good efficient power) but Luke is the master here and he tells it best. Thank you Luke for the excellent videos, hope I can stop by someday and watch that mill craft some magic. Cheers!

  • @nopadelik9286
    @nopadelik9286 Před rokem +6

    Man, thank you soo much for this great video, very teachful and interesting. I'm just ten minutes in the video and already did understand more about the mechanical Mercedes diesel pumps then ever before, it helps so much to get things shown and explained like this .. thanks again ! 🖤

  • @anassnouri6129
    @anassnouri6129 Před rokem +1

    This guy is a great man giving valuable information

  • @CommerEileen
    @CommerEileen Před rokem +8

    This is the same with the VW PD. Lots of people think for making power like 300 for example they can put 80% firads in. Yes it will make the power but it's having to spray more fuel over a longer duration. So if you fit 120% you can spray more fuel more efficiency in the same amount of time as a stock injector making more power and less heat in the process due to shorter duration. This is what people get wrong with modifing the VW PD and I'm guessing this is the same thing with the Mercedes pumps. Bigger elements mean more fuel at the correct duration meaning more power and less heat and cylinder pressure as it flows more at the correct operating duration 👍

    • @V8Lenny
      @V8Lenny Před rokem

      No bigger elements for PD

    • @CommerEileen
      @CommerEileen Před rokem

      @@V8Lenny what do you mean? You can get 80% up to 160% bigger nozzles for the PD.

    • @V8Lenny
      @V8Lenny Před rokem +1

      @@CommerEileen bigger nozzles, not bigger plungers. You will lose injection pressure every time you go bigger in nozzle. Smoke.

  • @7bayntuno
    @7bayntuno Před rokem +3

    Love the tech content, learning so much about the mechanical pumps 🤙

  • @raasalghul9211
    @raasalghul9211 Před rokem +2

    Oh Yes.
    Mad diesel is back.
    Now that is a proper happy New Year.
    👍🙌🙏👌

  • @903262
    @903262 Před rokem +2

    Excited to see the next video on this, hopefully going into injection duration of the larger elements and governor of the billet pump

  • @cullenmiller8170
    @cullenmiller8170 Před rokem +7

    My 3.5 ltr OM603 turbo in the W140 chassis really was a powerhouse. 😂😂
    I think I had more bugs hitting the back window than the windshield. 😢

    • @blattferenc9647
      @blattferenc9647 Před rokem +1

      But compared to a 200D w123 it must have been a rocket

  • @paulfarghi
    @paulfarghi Před rokem

    Quality, informative educational video.... Laconic delivery
    More please
    So chuck more coal on the fire at 34 degrees duration with 7.7 mm elements gives lovely chunks o' power

  • @karlwatson45
    @karlwatson45 Před rokem +1

    Really helpful video especially the 34 degree of useful duration part

  • @roadiesgarage3816
    @roadiesgarage3816 Před rokem

    Oh buddy, you've got my attention now, I love my intake, she's right. Happy new years to the whole dpuk crew.

  • @roadiesgarage3816
    @roadiesgarage3816 Před rokem

    Thanks for making this video brother, this makes my brain happy

  • @Akya2120
    @Akya2120 Před rokem +8

    Love it! Thanks for laying down some hard facts. One thing I wonder, will the 8.5mm elements deliver even more horsepower at 120cc?

    • @JTLDEN
      @JTLDEN Před rokem +1

      I’m also wondering this!

    • @danielsvamp
      @danielsvamp Před 7 měsíci

      It will be more efficient

  • @lorcosgarage9443
    @lorcosgarage9443 Před rokem

    Yeah!!!! Awesome ! There’s a part 2!!! 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
    Free knowledge again, thanks boy! 😉

  • @someguy4576
    @someguy4576 Před rokem

    Very insightful and easy to understand video, thank you!

  • @hcthomsenable
    @hcthomsenable Před rokem

    That billet pump looks siiick...💪💪💪

  • @lorcosgarage9443
    @lorcosgarage9443 Před rokem +1

    Love this moment !! 😂😂😂 19:15 love it… that British style lol NO! Your not going to get 200hp out of a stock pump 😅

  • @rolf9138
    @rolf9138 Před rokem

    Thanks for the explain. That stock 110hp rating from the manual is without cat.

  • @scottallpress3818
    @scottallpress3818 Před rokem

    Genuinely interesting and well delivered. Thanks

  • @user-mv2qq2bc1r
    @user-mv2qq2bc1r Před rokem +1

    Спасибо за лекцию!

  • @slowmotionmne
    @slowmotionmne Před rokem +3

    So you say that, basically, a stock 605 engine with stock edc system and 6mm pump cannot even get 250bhp? I think that is not right, because i have a w201 mercedes with a hy35 holset on it and it does 10.9s 100-200kmh with 1260kg of weight. Not dyno tested yet because i dont have a place in my contry where someone can do it, but i am sure that a 240hp car with that ammount of weight cannot do a sub 11s 100-200 time on dragy. Did not see it anywhere in the world.
    So what i am thinking is that the 606 e300td for example can have a 335ish hp with all the good mods and stock pump, and 605 can have close to 290.
    My car is still alive and running so i could send you videos.

  • @o3eroff
    @o3eroff Před rokem

    Спасибо. Все по делу и понятно

  • @tonywhite7753
    @tonywhite7753 Před rokem

    Alot of factory power figures are given from an engine dyno in a perfect environment.
    Less transmission losses and less then perfect conditions means very very few cars make or exceed given factory power figures

  • @user-wd4sm8ys7w
    @user-wd4sm8ys7w Před rokem

    excellent competent work and om 606 power

  • @peterjohn3180
    @peterjohn3180 Před rokem

    Sorry you said it near the end!
    I'd like to know how much extra fuel is useful, injected over useful duration?
    For standard boost for example, at what point does extra fuel stop giving more power?
    Tractor pullers make loads of smoke for example
    Can you do a Dyno test and keep adding fuel and show when max power is achieved and when power gets less?
    To get the max power do you expect smoke?

  • @w124mercedes7
    @w124mercedes7 Před rokem +1

    I've got a 87 300d turbo and a 87 300sdl turbo both are bone stock and I wouldn't call them slow. I think they move along quite nicely. If these cars only put out 60 hp why would mercedes say the 300d is 127 hp and 300sdl 147.hp. I dont think this car would cruise at 80mph if it were only 60hp.
    The 1600cc vw was rated at over 60hp.

  • @BradleyBellwether-oy2qi
    @BradleyBellwether-oy2qi Před 7 měsíci

    The factory hp rating is probably tested at the crank. Because Mercury drivetrains with their composite parts are super sloppy and I could see losing 50 hp between the crank and the rear tires. Especially on an older vehicle, where those composite pieces are starting to parish.

  • @F14foreverF14
    @F14foreverF14 Před 4 měsíci

    17:30 my 190-D 4-cylinder OM-601 is supposed to have 75-horsepower according to the owners manual, so it makes less or maybe it kicks the ass of the 6-cylinder 0M-603

  • @astrayalien
    @astrayalien Před rokem +1

    Thankyou for an informative video. What can you do with a Toyota 5L pump? What sort of power is possible?

  • @TheRevo33
    @TheRevo33 Před rokem

    Please make a video dedicated to the billet pump and its advantages!

  • @kylemansfield3630
    @kylemansfield3630 Před rokem

    Great vid appreciate the breakdown of all of it 🫡what’s your timeline on sending you a pump for rebuild these days ? Thanks

  • @tomdigby4463
    @tomdigby4463 Před rokem

    Great content man !

  • @roadiesgarage3816
    @roadiesgarage3816 Před rokem +3

    This is pump 🌽 at its finest. Curious of your thoughts on running waste motor oil and bad gas 90:10mixture? The international 7.3 idi engines seem to like them.

    • @zakksrage
      @zakksrage Před rokem

      If you can’t afford diesel. Don’t drive a diesel. Waste motor oil ruins everything it touches. Especially the pump. Gas is for gas engines.

    • @MultiBruce3
      @MultiBruce3 Před rokem +6

      @@zakksrage that's the sort of institutionalised answer that is so predictable.
      People do stuff like running waste oils because they are not controlled by BS.

    • @MultiBruce3
      @MultiBruce3 Před rokem

      Pretty sure that your 7.3 idi has a standyne pump. They like to have a good lift pump that will supply enough flow and pressure. Its not much of a pressure issue it's more of a flow issue. People put facet pumps on and they urinate directly into the wind. A nice gear pump like a Marco up2/oil can supply 3.3l per minute. You would need to run some sort of pressure regulation that returns back to the tank, generally this is as simple as a gate valve if you are doing it on a budget.
      I have run engines on 100% wmo in the past. Being this greedy has often ended up with me replacing engines once a year 🤣.
      If your going to blend your own fuel. Blend it before you filter it. Most of the crud will drop out on its own. I don't recommend using petrol. I used to get vapour lock when going full send with my vehicles. 50%blend of oil/diesel is the best way to run wmo.
      I would also add that you should run a heat exchanger to thin your fuel down

    • @WillBilly.
      @WillBilly. Před rokem

      The stanadyne pump on the idi lends itself to thicker and dirtier fuel, the pump on the om606 could run motor oil but you would want to refine it first.

    • @danielsvamp
      @danielsvamp Před 7 měsíci

      @@zakksrageno one likes people like you

  • @oliverscorsim
    @oliverscorsim Před 7 měsíci

    So I have a few questions. I'm starting my om606 build soon so I'm hunting parts locally. As far as the motor goes what's the stock one good for? What breaks first? How high can I rev the motor not being pump limited? How hard is it to get a manual pump to make 400hp and rev to let's say 7000rpm? Also the engine itself? Valve springs and good or is keepers and valves gonna be needed? What's the biggest bang for the buck hp on a om606 like a junkyard build with elements bigger turbo ECT? Sorry lots of questions I know 😂 I come from a building things to the moon background but I know every platform has sweet spots where it's relatively inexpensive vs the smiles and I'm wondering what that point is for these. Iv already bought a om606 long block so I'm fairly committed.

  • @schrenk-d
    @schrenk-d Před 10 měsíci

    I'd imagine the longer duration in injection is a big contributor to heavy soot. Effectively the longer the duration of injection, the less pressure on the piston, reducing power as well as the fuel coming in to cool the combustion chamber leading to incomplete burn.
    I'd imagine, shorter duration, bigger elements, more fuel within injection window and some boost is the best way to go.

    • @DieselPumpUK
      @DieselPumpUK  Před 10 měsíci

      Your partially correct, don’t mistake fuel cooling from the petrol world. In a diesel any extra fuel in the chamber = heat.

    • @schrenk-d
      @schrenk-d Před 10 měsíci

      @@DieselPumpUK ahh.. thankyou.

  • @tyor99
    @tyor99 Před rokem

    very nice explanation i got a question
    whats the effect when using a stock injection pump with smaller injector nozzle tips

  • @Drugaskan
    @Drugaskan Před rokem +1

    Any Update, on the Black Diesel in the OM606? Like the Video you made with the veg. Oil?

  • @JTLDEN
    @JTLDEN Před rokem +1

    So what do you get at 8.5mm when it’s fully pegged out? Kept thinking you were gunna say it towards the end but your blue balling us haha

  • @timeckenrode2710
    @timeckenrode2710 Před měsícem

    I like the math.

  • @MarekRzeszotek
    @MarekRzeszotek Před rokem

    Great vid!

  • @kimbrotherton6162
    @kimbrotherton6162 Před 11 měsíci

    DO YOU MAKE CONVERSION PACKS TO FIT YOUR MOTOR ETC INTO VARIOUS TOYOTA UTES TO SUIT AUSTRALIAN DESIGN RULES .THE COST TO SUPPLY MOTOR AND KIT LANDED IN NSW ?? YOU HAVE A GREAT PRODUCT .I DID COVERSIONS MANY YEARS AGO BUT THAT WAS PETROL MOTORS INTO 4X4'S . TOP PRODUCT MATE.

  • @peterjohn3180
    @peterjohn3180 Před rokem

    You missed part of your explanation out!
    You have a cc reading for the pumps but forgot to say it was cc per number of rotations, is it 100 rotations?
    Because obviously it's not 30or 60cc per injection because you would need elements of over 25mm......I didn't work it out!

  • @jasonbirch1182
    @jasonbirch1182 Před 2 měsíci

    That is 30cc per cly per minute correct? Is a mw 617 pump in that general realm as well?

  • @jasonbirch1182
    @jasonbirch1182 Před 6 měsíci +1

    This is not true for a 603 turbo pump correct? Or are they both (603 na and 603 turbo)going to be the same maxed out just less on the NA pump stock?

    • @DieselPumpUK
      @DieselPumpUK  Před 6 měsíci

      The turbo 603 pump has a very low cc also no gain by using that one.

  • @2000freefuel
    @2000freefuel Před rokem

    Is there a way to rebuild a Mercedes 4 cylinder for Turbo service, and build a performance pump for it? Use case is for old short wheel base Jeeps with limited space in the engine compartment.

  • @cestunepunition8424
    @cestunepunition8424 Před rokem

    hello, my english is not very good but i really liked this video.
    have you thought or would you like to try injection with a programmable computer and large injectors?
    it would be a lot of work on an engine but it would be interesting.
    this would make it possible to do a lot of tests, the quantity injected, the pressure, the advances…
    everything would be easily editable.
    I could participate if you want
    contact me if you want to talk about itand set up this test
    Bye
    By

  • @user-nr7cz2gz6p
    @user-nr7cz2gz6p Před rokem

    Hello, I built a patrol, how do you have an om606 engine, a 7.5mm plunger, an intercooler, an om603 water pump, a radiator, a big problem, it heats up very much when you start to blame the cylinder head, checked the ignition is OK

  • @Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge

    What is peak injection pressure on the idi system with these pumps? And does injection pressure increase or decrease as rpm goes up?
    Does peak injection pressure increase exponentially with injection pump output?
    Thanks

  • @karalux996
    @karalux996 Před rokem

    Hey, and what about the pump mechanism for accounting for the injection time (practically how long the fuel takes to be squirted out of a prechamber and burn) when the engine rpm increases? If there is such a mechanism for advancing the injection according to the rpm in these pumps. Is it possible to lets say make a mechanical/edc OM605 pump that is able to deliver 400 engine hp all the way up to 6500 engine rpm? Or all it needs is only 8ish mm elements?

  • @experienceoutdoors6279

    Hey any chance you can do a explanation like this for the ve style pump (specific td42 Nissan) i have a 12mm upgraded pump and turbo making 170kw at the wheels (33" tires 4.1 ratio)
    Would love to know what makes it tick.

  • @bert5003
    @bert5003 Před rokem

    so if you can keep adding air to lean it out with the same fuel quantity would you be able to make more power?

  • @acoustics450
    @acoustics450 Před rokem

    Wonderful thanks!! So interesting!!

  • @J.F.K.O
    @J.F.K.O Před rokem

    Will these pumps "run away" like a ve pump when you give it to much on the make black smoke screw?

  • @luanberisha998
    @luanberisha998 Před 8 měsíci

    I was wondering if people could help me,
    I have a 1998 G wagon with an om606 engine but I wanted to get more power somewhere 220-250 PH how is this work possible,
    Should I change the electronic IP with a mechanical IP, what changes should I make in the engine since I am a beginner.
    Thanks for understanding guys

  • @jeroenvangastel9079
    @jeroenvangastel9079 Před rokem

    So my 250D had only 50Hp but still was able to coast at 150Km/h ??

  • @nFlames2
    @nFlames2 Před rokem

    You ran the second pump twice as long as the first one so that would give you more cc for the second one. So the first one differently better than the second one.

    • @WillBilly.
      @WillBilly. Před rokem

      Bro you either can't count or dont know how these testing rigs work.

  • @ant135
    @ant135 Před rokem

    Ok so I'm having a bit of a tuff time understanding all this but it seems that from what you have shown here that the kit I can buy claiming to get you as close to 300hp with out changing the pump elements is simply false.

  • @xxxy7887
    @xxxy7887 Před rokem

    This is all for non turbo engine pumps? What about om603 turbo?

  • @manqkasgarage6215
    @manqkasgarage6215 Před rokem

    That was my question from a week before 😁 I saw you arguing with one guy in the comments and by the way there ware people who believe him😃

  • @scottmctaggart7070
    @scottmctaggart7070 Před 29 dny

    CAN YOU HELP ME WITH A GOVENOR FOR A OM617 US TYPE NOT ENGLISH VERSIN

  • @DrZoidbergism
    @DrZoidbergism Před rokem

    I ask myself if there is the possibility to add alda to an om616 pump

  • @splitsecondmagician
    @splitsecondmagician Před rokem

    No wonder why the P7100 is so popular.

  • @ianatkinson8464
    @ianatkinson8464 Před rokem

    😎👍

  • @trubbel8905
    @trubbel8905 Před 11 měsíci

    Are these mechanical fuel pumps?

  • @SBT300
    @SBT300 Před rokem

    Isn't cc cubic centimeters, and we should rather be talking about cubic millimeters?

  • @FrmerK20
    @FrmerK20 Před rokem

    Is it possible to increase the injection pressure for better atomization of the fuel? what would be the theoretical limit and still keep reliablity?

    • @zakksrage
      @zakksrage Před rokem

      More pressure doesn’t mean more “atomization” past the point of being atomized. Pressure is just good for more fuel delivery per pop it valve open

    • @FrmerK20
      @FrmerK20 Před rokem

      @@zakksrage if you have smaller holes in the injectors you need higher pressure to deliver the same amount of fuel, and the smaller the holes the better the atomization. Would need new injectors aswell but I made the question more simple.

    • @V8Lenny
      @V8Lenny Před rokem

      Bigger elements increase injection pressure.

    • @FrmerK20
      @FrmerK20 Před rokem

      @@V8Lenny i guess more fuel in the same amount of time would mean higher pressure, but by how much?

    • @V8Lenny
      @V8Lenny Před rokem

      @@FrmerK20 hard to say but there is testbenches for unit injectors that measure injection pressurw.

  • @bobihristov739
    @bobihristov739 Před rokem

    My W210 606 with bone stock pump and T04E made 260hp and little over 500nm @1,55bar boost. Is that realistic or the dyno is not accurate?

    • @Klumpi84
      @Klumpi84 Před rokem

      Wheel or flywheel?

    • @bobihristov739
      @bobihristov739 Před rokem

      @@Klumpi84 more like the crank

    • @Klumpi84
      @Klumpi84 Před rokem +1

      My buddy has a quite similar setup and comparable results. So for me this is fine for flywheel.

  • @androherrera7092
    @androherrera7092 Před rokem

    hello I need to buy one of those at least 7.7 for my OM605 please can you help me with that I live in the United States

  • @hyper8545
    @hyper8545 Před rokem +1

    They make 67hp LOL thats crazy

  • @androherrera7092
    @androherrera7092 Před rokem

    Hola como puedo comprar una para mi OM605 que me funcione mui vien 7.7 seria perferto me parese

  • @hectorlambies7400
    @hectorlambies7400 Před rokem

    Basically it injects the same quantity in less time, so, you can extract more cyl. Pressure in that same duration, mo powah bby 😂😂

  • @74stipe
    @74stipe Před rokem

    this pumps are from na engines not the td ones

  • @wilfredomartinez5371
    @wilfredomartinez5371 Před rokem

    How much a 603 is

  • @fatihsmz4558
    @fatihsmz4558 Před rokem

    👏👍🇹🇷

  • @4790647853
    @4790647853 Před rokem

    Линейка не правильная 🤷‍♂️, все бошевский насосы имеют ход рейки 21 мм где там 23 насчитали? 🤦‍♂️

  • @user-dk9pv1rr2n
    @user-dk9pv1rr2n Před rokem

    why do you say that you cannot get 200 horses, here is your video czcams.com/video/jJnTqOR_3bA/video.html and here on the 5.5 pump 189 horses

    • @FreddyH11
      @FreddyH11 Před rokem

      No he did put 6mm in the pump as he says in the video

    • @user-dk9pv1rr2n
      @user-dk9pv1rr2n Před rokem

      @@FreddyH11 in this video he says that you can't get 200 horses with 5.5 elements

  • @w124mercedes7
    @w124mercedes7 Před rokem

    Hello and thank you for the detailed video. I have a 1987 300d with the om603 turbo . The motor has 165k miles and runs good. I would like to get a bit more power out of it but I live on a small retirement. So far I have rebuilt the turbo.
    Rebuilt injectors with monarch parts. Put new glow plugs in and new lifters.
    I regularly change oil and use quality filters. What would be your suggestions
    For power gain on a tight budget and what do you charge. Also when are the injector prechambers supposed to be replaced. Some people say 100k and some say 200k. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

  • @matthapaq9618
    @matthapaq9618 Před měsícem

    Luke all I can tell you only
    You are the most LEGITIMATE person experience with top knowledge who knows exactly how all this works better than anyone else ever existed I ever pass through him ,, you are a LEGEND… 💪🥇🫡
    Cheers Matt