The real reason Microsoft killed live tiles
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Live tiles were the most iconic Microsoft design element, trying Windows Phone, Windows 10 Mobile, Windows 8, Windows 10, Surface and other brands together. I loved them. But they were flawed from the start and doomed to fail.
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no
A major role is played by Google in their demise ‘cause they didn’t make a single app for it.
And actively went against anyone else making an app for their services
100% mate. Google was key in the demise of Windows phone. 2010s was the period of Google's rise in popularity across the globe with interent reaching to billions and they priortized their own platform obviously
Not just not make a single app: They made a mandate to make anything that would go onto WP as uncomfortable and obnoxious as possible.
Microsoft made a CZcams app, because Google wasn't going to, and as soon as it started getting traction, Google demanded Microsoft to shut it down - it stayed as a Web wrapper.
@@KazrBrekker If they at least made CZcams, Photos and Drive apps, WP could’ve survived.
@@SimonVaIe Except for Apple, which Google already paid tens of millions of dollars every month to Apple for listing all the Google apps and services to iOS and Mac
Former windows phone developer here. You hit the nail on the head with the horizontal integration. Microsoft’s promise of vertical integration has ok but there wasn’t a user base. Then Microsoft pushed Xamarin hard to encourage horizontal integration on a platform that supported UWP. What resulted was a buggy framework, lackluster apps, and most Xamarin developers choosing to ignore UWP anyway.
On what part of windows phone have you worked on? just curious
Also, horizontal integration was the more sensible option in any case. iOS/Android/WinPhone Phones resemble each other far more than Windows PC and Windows phones did. Horizontal integration was the way to minimize the required effort.
Allow me to personally thank you and your team. My Lumia WP8.1 was what made me switch from my old non-touch phone. And I refused to go to android for years after WP was already discontinued. Only 2 years ago now, I got a repairable smart phone, using degoogled e/OS/, and got Launcher10 that copied WP tiles as close as possible. Using that today! Couldn't imagine using stock android and their launchers, WP just spoiled me way too much. So - THANK YOU for Windows Phone 8! I still miss the menu & settings style on my Android now.
Also, in a Freemium service world, where most of the apps rely on ADs for profits, the least an app developer wants is you to know everything you need with a glance staying in your start screen. They want you to click on the app, watch the banners + ADs placed somewhere in the app, only then be satisfied with the information the app provides
Good point, thanks.
you dont have to capitalise ads, its not an acronym
I liked the Microsoft Phones. They were thin, light, came with an OLED screen, you could swap the battery by simply removing the case, they had a memory card slot and if you couldn't find an app from the start screen, you could swipe left and got an index of all apps installed. Finally, the live tiles didn't serve for advertising as opposed to the situation in Windows 10 desktop where I still hate the new control center being mixed with the old one and zillions of features without recognizable icons or their icons drastically changed.
The high end Nokias had far better camera hardware than most phones of the time but too many reviewers kept crapping on everything about the phones.
@@NightMotorcyclist microsoft bought skype
@@pewgarpolls How is that relevant to the comment you're replying to?
I had one of the first Nokia windows phones. It was thick and kind of shoddily built. The vibration motor made the volume buttons rattle around. It was cool at first as a concept, but I went back to iOS before a year was up.
Check out Launcher10! I'm using that on my repairable phone with e/OS/ rom. Launcher10 can be configured to be and do all the things you loved about WP8.1 and it's amazing. Including that app list on swipe. Multiple home screens. Custom tile sizes. Folders. I simply couldn't use normal Android launchers after WP!
I still miss my Lumia. Even compared to other android phones I owned, WP was just really responsive and easy to use. The software didn't bloat the phone, the screen was really bright outside and even if it did not have that many apps the websites functioned properly and the phone looked real slick.
I absolutely loved the Live Tiles on Windows Phone; they were such a unique and dynamic feature that made the user experience truly stand out. There were so many innovative features and a fresh approach to the mobile OS landscape. I really wanted Windows Phone to succeed, especially with the exciting plans they had for merging desktop and mobile experiences. It's sad that it didn’t go that way, as it had so much potential to reshape the mobile OS landscape.
Absolutely. I was so ready to change from Android to MS fully, but ie. banking and online chat apps just never got there and waited until platform died. I tried multiple Lumia's etc. and I was immeadiately sold for UI fluidity and loved the idea of live tiles. I actually liked W8 on my Surface Pro 2. But also hated it on desktop. More app developers and bit tweaking for "Metro" and I'm sure it would've been game changer. It's kinda hilarious that now ie. MacOS, Gnome and KDE have fairly similar start screen options that W8 had. But todays competitor alternatives are actually worse imo 😄
Likewise. I loved my Windows Mobile especially the LiveTiles. Was sad when I and to give up and move to Android as the few key apps I used just disappeared off Windows.
Same. I really liked the tiles. It just so pleasing on the eye and all the apps were on the one screen. With Android, there is the home page with only a few icons on and then you have to swipe to another page to get page 1 of all your apps. Very odd experience and hard to explain to those that struggle with tech.
"Merging desktop and mobile experience" means pushing walled garden to desktop. UWP requires Microsoft Store.
@@sergeykish no, they had plans to have dex like experience with windows. Also now with processors like snapdragon x elite would've made that proper desktop in your hands
If they were live tiles instead of live advertisements, I am sure it could have been a game changer!
agreed.
So true.
Problem is they didn’t integrate into existing APiS like notifications which apps would want to use
True!!!
Ouch!🤕
There is nowhere near enough scrutiny of Google's role in killing this platform.
Yeah, imagine if youtube and maps was available on Windows Phone ...
Not because of Google apps etc but because of peoples like you comes up
The video is about live tiles not windows phone os.
Probably cuz Microsoft is so big that they really shouldn't be bullied around by anybody. For so much smaller company I think there would be a lawsuit but Microsoft kills as much competition as Google. They buy everything and s*** look at what just happened with Xbox were they bought a whole bunch of game studios and then just killed them
@@tasosjw that why is it wrong.
The thing that I loved most with the Windows phones was the smooth navigation of the operating system. Even on low end models.
Yes. I tried my friends very lowend phone for few minutes and was insanely impressed how fluid it was. Like at least 100x better than any baseline Android phone.
This is the part that baffles the fuck out of me considering Windows's desktop reputation for being bloaty. Windows phone is still NTOS after all.
@@supercellex4D windows 7 was very bloated, but most of that bloat got removed in windows 8 and 10. Windows 8, other than it's terrible interface runs well, but unfortunately windows 10 added new bloat in the form of ads, tracking, and other assorted nonsense. Windows phone, being a stripped down version of windows 8 (essentially the best performing version of windows not counting XP or older), is pretty efficient. Remember that android, especially at that time was mostly coded in the abominable language known as java (android has always been significantly more bloated then regular desktop linux).
@@itdepends604 Windows 7 wasn't that bloated PC wise it ran on a P3 if you tried enough. The issue is people even lambasted Windows 2000 and XP for being bloated, WindowsNT is many things but optimized for small hardware isn't one of them. I would've expected it to perform about as well as iOS or those Linux phones running KDE plasma (I.E. not especially fast), seeing as it is another desktop OS crammed into an SoC
best part, it was so well made
I really like Windows Phone 8.1. Even on the low budget phone like Lumia 520 (I used to own) the OS was smooth. As a UI/UX designer I try to implement ideas on projects I work on. I recently bought the Lumia 925 for $25 to get a piece of history. I fall in love every time I see the animations❤❤
I have a Nokia Lumia 520 too. I was able to upgrade its Windows Phone 8.1 to Windows 10 Mobile, as a Windows Insider, and it was so much better. Sadly I fried it with my developer experiment, because it was always on charging. After that I needed to send it to repair, where they replaced the eMMC. After this I was not able to upgarde the Windows Phone 8.1 to Windows 10 Mobile, because the tool I used to upgrade needed Microsoft servers, which were no longer avaiable.
It is still working, but its battery now have some issues. I wonder how long will it still alive. :D
What was really freaking cool is that any website owner could add Live Tile support with a meta tag pointing to a simple XML be it static or generated by the backend. Support by native apps wasn't hard too implement either. The tools were there, but no one really card because Apple and Google didn't have that. Any app could expose contacts and feeds for the Me tile to display all available information in one place, but nobody cared. Same story with the light/dark mode support and interactive toast notifications until both behemoth competitors yoinked these features into their operating systems. Microsoft was also really vocal with accessibility guidelines and design principles (Metro UI docs was a fascinating read) too and tried to make their platform uniform and friendly for physically impaired users. Windows Phone/Mobile was so far ahead of its time and it still makes me really sad it got crushed by the unhinged 2007 tech bro mindset of app developers (Snapchat's founder was a particularly big piece of shit) and disinterest for novelty and innovation of general public
Nailed it, friend.
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the thing is, Live tiles are still better shortcuts than static grid of icons. because of how you can organize them, change size depending on your personal priorities or if it has good live tile feature, plus I much prefer scrollable home screen than pages, although combination can be used as well. This is why I still use tiles with SquareHome on Android. widgets as live tiles feel much less bloated and more precisely constrained, plus it doesn't take genius to guess that tapping on a tile that shows current weather would get you to weather app. Some apps with more ambiguous notifications can still retain some style or icon in the corner so you can tell what it belongs to, not to mention that you can color-code the tile background to associate with certain apps. all these cues + specific arrangement of tiles makes finding what you want much easier, and generally remembering the layout.
With stupid grid of icons you don't have much of a layout to begin with, and I don't know why everyone ended up stuck with this crap which originated in some launchers for Windows Mobile 5/6 and somehow 20 years later it's still same.
I never really was a fan of the tiles (I like my smooth rounded corners) but I have to give Microsoft credit for one thing about Windows Phone: These things were BUTTERY smooth. My grandma used to have some cheap 100€ Nokia Windows Phone and even after 3 years when it had a hard time even loading web pages, the OS itself was still unrealistically smooth.
Roots bloody roots.....
I don't know why I am happy to see a Sepultura album cover on a video about Windows Phones
Live tiles are still amazing. The biggest killing factor is that there just aren't that many UWP apps, and almost no third party UWP apps actually use live tiles. Games used to use Live tiles back in 2014 but they don't anymore. I tried my best to find apps with live tiles but there are barely any.
I always thought the Live Tiles concept was so cool and unique. I remember jailbreaking my first iPod touch just so I could install a "Windows Live tiles" theme so I could try it out (without having to have a Windows phone)!
I never had a Windows phone, but to this day I admire its appearance.
same, Windows Mobile 6.5 and Phone 7 are my favorites and I like firing them up in a emulator on my PC (though for Windows Phone 7 emulator I need to use a Windows 7 x86 VM in running in VMware Workstation)
What do you mean Apple never showed interest in copying the system? IOS widgets are basically live tiles, the widget page is functionally identical to a WP home-screen!
My thoughts exactly. Besides back in the day Windows Phone introduced things such as WiFi direct, which shared WiFi access among your contacts, Miracast and so many more that were directly copied by Apple and Android.
Widgets are all unique looking and easy to find what you are looking for. Live tiles are just a sea of mono colored squares, easy to get lost in. Despite the animation, nothing draws your eyes to them.
@@destructodisk9074 Pretty sure you haven't experienced a WP for long enough to make such a statement.
@@vedanshchn I owned one because I thought I would like live tiles. It just made things harder to find quickly because everything looks the same at a glance. Even when spending time organizing things to make things easier to find, the sea of squares and rectangles was just not helpful. And the live aspect just didn't help. I had a Windows phone for a year before I went back to Android. Some people loved them, but the majority of the public did not. There is a reason tiles were not adopted to be the basic icon replacement on other OSes. People don't want them. If they did you would see the most popular Android builds using widgets like this for every icon. People who customize their Android experience would be doing this. Almost no one implements this, outside of a few nostalgia obsessed folks. It isn't practical.
It's been 8 years since I stopped using my windows phone. Nothing I have used since even comes close to the tile screen.
I feelt same. 6 month ago i found a solution for my self.
If use Android, give "Square Home" a Try. It's the Windows Phone Start Screen on Steroids. Interactive Tiles, Widgets and original Animation included.
I've had a Windows Phone and loved it. The lack of apps pushed me back to Android where - for years - I used SquareHome launcher. Even on a folding phone or a tablet, SquareHome works perfectly. I've recently finally switched to a more folder-oriented setup (with Folder Widget app) which still has somewhat of a resemblance to tiles. I've always found the default Android icon & desktop setup to be incredibly boring and ugly.
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I'm one of those Windows Phone lovers. Still have a Lumia 950 around to look at it from time to time. Maybe the Live Tiles have not been perfect on anything, but what Windows Phone / Windows 10 Mobile offered was a simple glanceable overview over all the important stuff going on, without switching through multiple home screens. Neither Android nor iOS give me this feeling of being on top of my information by just open the phone, and a quick scroll over your home screen.
Great video as always, but I don't think you talked enough about the fact that part of the idea of live tiles was to pull together windows pc and the Microsoft phone, but the vast majority of pc users never even saw a windows phone in their life and just resented the changes that seemed to be a backwards step for the pc.
Live tiles I never really cared for. But the Tiles themselves were in my opinion really good for navigation. You had everything in one scrollable screen. I would increase the size of the most used ones, reduce the size of the least used ones. Put the ones that I only use occasionally further down the screen.
Of course I do agree that the icons should be identifiable so in general I preferred when a tile had the app's icon in it. I loved tiles also in Windows and that has gone away with Windows 11. I pressed the windows key and saw a customized app drawer to get me access to all the apps I use frequently, and then I could still search for an app like previous windows'
Every failed piece of technology has its fans. Just think about the minority who like small phones.
even the Microsoft's Biggest Failure - Microsoft Kin Phone (aside from me of course, though never got to use it, I just love everything Windows CE)?
I loved the windows 10 menu live tiles options. It really grew and I find it useful.
If you are on Windows 11 you can bring back the Windows 10 start menu and live tiles using a program called ExplorerPatcher.
Love to see you're still smashing it Marton!
Oh yes, I was also a huge fan of the Nokia Lumias and Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile with the Live Tiles! I really regretted that Windows 10 Mobile was discontinued back then. Today, after Microsoft and Windows 11 took a completely wrong turn, with Windows cluttered with advertising and becoming an extreme data octopus, I'm glad I'm no longer at home in this ecosystem. But the Live Tile concept on the smartphone was (and still is) the best of all UIs.
I thought this was a couple years old video with that thumbnail and title. Really miss Windows Phone sometimes.
I need to study this video for all the animations you have done! I loved Windows phone start screen animations and this video seems to have tried to recapture many of them right!
yall gotta try full screen windows 10 start menu, looks very clean.
too bad I upgraded to Windows 11... This is the one thing I miss from Win10
Nah I'm good
@@pencilcase8068Yeah, I share that sentiment.
lol that was called Windows 8 and it was a usability nightmare.
@@HenryBloggitit is still a usability nightmare, much poorly executed, requires an explorer restart every time you move an icon around, and I'm pretty sure it was either some intern's trial period project, or someones gotten fired for it. Still looks hella clean tho
use to have one, live tiles may look too simple but once you own it, you feel different in cool way, too bad not many devs work on it
Loved windows phone so much. I have a couple screenshots of my homescreen that I still look at once in awhile.
Even if they weren’t live the variable sizes and lack of wasted corner space….
As another reformed Windows Phone advocate, your words hurt because they ring true.
The Nokia Lumia 1020 with Windows 8 was my first smartphone. The live functionality of the tiles was not of big interest, but I loved the minimalistic aesthetic of the OS design. Now I use Android and the colorful rounded icons are in no way a pleasing sight.
What was also awesome with the Lumia 1020, is that it had a 720p OLED display and it had AOD before Android did. 720p is tze sweetspot for phones in my opinion, because it's perfectly sharp but doesn't waste battery life in unnecessary resolution to be processed. My current phone has a 4K display and it runs in 720p mode since I got it.
I have two of them
I really wouldn't have minded if these had come back as widgets on the Surface Duo. Still love using that phone.
live tiles are the absolute best. i honestly never had the problem of not finding my apps. the thing that killed windows phonen was lack of google services.
I’m glad Michael is bringing back keyboard on phones, but I wish we never lost windows phones..
The reason I bought the HTC Windows phone 8s was the Metro UI ❤
But later I found out that it didn’t even had an Instagram App nor it did had an auto rotate toggle 💀
Sold it within 4 months 😅
fair decision lmfao
Yup. Google played a major role in Windows Phone's downfall because they didn't make any app for it, and when someone did make an app for their service, Google shot it down. This sent a message to developers that the platform wasn't worth it to invest into by creating apps for it
I think the worst thing was that brightness toggle. You could only change from 25% to 50% to 75% without opening settings
@@aarspardoesn't need windows phone to exist because of people like you not Google
@@sys935 uhhh, okay I guess?
My whole life I have been tinkering with Android phones and OSes.
I've used and coded KLWP multiple times.
I've used every mainstream launcher out there.
I sorted my apps into many different layouts.
Nothing comes remotely close to the Square Home Launcher that is Windows-like with tiles, yet it uses Android widgets for the live tiles to display weather, music, etc... Very customizable
The failed live tiles concept was the least of the problems. I worked as a developer for the WP platform and even after 4 years of the system core development apis was missing. The intial WP7 version was impossible to work on, even the most basic multi tasking features was missing (like backgrond tasks and multitask events). WP7 was trans as WP8 as well. With 8.2 its started coming together but it was already too late. The only developers who remained supporting the OS with apps was just the fans. At least it paid the bills for me for a few years.
It had a lots of interesting features and the design language of the UI is great and in the later stages developing apps for it was super easy. But the market was never there.
This project alogside with the attemps on desktop Windows was a huge flop, and not like MS didn't believed in it! Now MS is a much more lean and progressive company what continuously makes great decisions.
I loved Windows phone, but I never had live tiles active on anything but the News feed. I couldn't imagine having half the tiles updating constantly.
As a Windows Phone fan, I've been waiting for such a video for a long time!
It still looks so clean and futuristic
Windows Phone 💔
Bro was the only person in the world who loved the tiles format, i hated it back when i had a windows phone
I still use what is little left of them on Win 10, was always very fond of them.
Also, when I had to design a menu once I went for tiles-like layout, just because of how clean, simple, and functional they are
Nokia Maps ecosystems of 2012 was ahead of any Maps application today.
Indoor maps for shopping malls, AR, maps and navigation in different apps so no fuss on using them both at the same time, complete offline functionality (I had 100 MB a month at this time), the list could go on and on.
im still using live tiles on my home screen in the form of "Square Home Launcher", it's highly customizable!
+1
You can still use live tiles on mobile. I do (Launcher 10 and Square Home both have that).
Microsoft missed out on Smartphones which would have helped with the UI for Gaming Handhelds. The user experience on Handhelds is frustrating.
Convergence was a popular concept of that era. The idea that a single application would run on all our devices and have a similar interface. Its great in concept, but reality proved otherwise. We all interact with different platforms (computer, tablet, phone, console) in fundamentally different ways, both physically and mentally.
God, I love the content you make. I love you make these insightful dives irrespective of what is popular at the time!!
I used Windows phone until 2019. And the only reason I stopped is because the battery crapped out. I loved it, but it was slowly falling behind the times. There was no CZcams, Instagram and many other local apps. However, I appreciated the fact that some of the UI, eg in Music app, was so unique. And the camera was superb. The colours were not boring. I also loved that the phone never hang even with the limited specs. I had to move to Android though, but I always wished that other apps or OSes could copy some of Microsoft's homework (except the tiles) like the fluidity and UI of apps. I thought I was weird for liking Windows but I am grateful that other people appreciate the good things about it
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Square Home is much better than Launcher 10 IMO, but that likely comes from the fact I used tiles in a very specific way, making the background transparent and hiding names so I ended up with only monochromatic icons and live tiles with white text and simple symbols only
also android widgets tend to be ugly and hugely inconsistent
I worked at Best Buy back in 2014. I loved Windows 8. The big tiles were awesome, in my opinion. It was so easy to set up, but people were so confused. I just never understood it. I worked as a Geek Squad agent and I'd do small Windows 8 lessons with customer groups. It was really fun.
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The reason I liked tiles (not "live" tiles specifically) was that they allowed a grid layout in the start menu, something long overdue. But I also liked the customization that came with them, I liked being able to change the width of the start menu, I liked grouping, arbitrary layouts and perhaps to a lesser extent changing the size of the tiles themselves. The fact that I don't really mind tiles being gone now that the Windows 11 start menu has a grid layout with plain old icons only reinforces that belief.
It's my first time watching your video and I'm very happy that you accurately understand what us devs think about when building for multiple platforms. Thank you very much.
I think Microsoft was just too early on the road towards vertical integration. Because it's more difficult to properly support multiple form factors and input devices with a single code base. Also mobile devices needed much more optimization regarding efficiency and performance. So it was the obvious choice as developer to strive for horizontal integration. These days it's much more different.
You can have horizontal integration with Linux applications because they also run on Windows via WLS and running them on macOS isn't impossible either (many times you can cross-compile, it just works or you can use a VM). But you can also have vertical integration with Linux apps as well, running them on Linux tablets or phones. A single code base can simply cover all form factors and platforms because pretty sufficient open-source frameworks and toolkits exist.
So maybe we will see something like the ecosystem Microsoft envisioned but much more open and free for users and developers to work with.
Absolutely loved the Windows phone and the integration features inside some of the apps where it simply was not like any other phone or application in today’s smart devices. The way that the social media accounts synced into your phone and having the capability to scroll through a timeline but within the Windows Phone UI and how that UI style flowed into Zune was a magic time. Sad it’s gone.
My brother in law gave me a Windows Phone when they first came out. And I used it for a year, and I liked it. I didn't have any problems with it.
The UI was cool as every app was showing some updates right where u placed it as well as how easy it was to traverse frequently used apps.
I loved my Nokia Windows phone. Much underrated - but you are clearly highlighting the shortfalls of it...
People of the 2010s needed Angry birds and fart buttons insted.
Excellent overview! A shared experience helps clarify some of the major reasons why this failed. Thanks for sharing!
I loved live tiles on PC because I used them as widgets to make up for the notification centre kinda being trash. I also pinned all kinds of important but lesser used apps to the start menu in W10. But the W11 start menu is just awful, and the widgets menu is hidden away and very few apps bother supporting it compared to tiles. I replaced the start menu with StartAllBack, so I doubt the widgets next to the start menu will even work for me when it comes lmao
You really went for a consistend look in this video. Chapeau!
The tiles in Windows 10 were cool for like throwing your steam library there for quick acces without filling your desktop for example but, for the most part, if you wanted quick acces to something you were better off just using the task bar or desktop shortcuts.
That said, I still miss my live tiles on Windows 11 and on my phone.
There is a program called ExplorerPatcher which lets you bring back various Windows 10 things including start menu and live tiles on Windows 11.
I’ve never used tiles but in a bottle it seems cool. I wonder if they kept working with it they would have overcome the issues?
I don't use Windows , but, I must admit that I have owned two Nokia winphones and prefered them over Android or Apple.
Would always be my favorite GTUI
I had the Lumia 1020 and i LOVED the phone. Had one of the best cameras with videos holding up quite good up to day!
I loved the original windows phone UI bc it was by design usable with only the thumb, without havint to do the across-the-screen-stretch
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One of the major failures for metro tiles was the lack of user customization without 3rd party apps. Microsoft locked it down to an annoying level where you were at the whim of the developer to actually implement. Without being able to actually customize the tiles (add icon, images, size variation for some) it became limited to a degree that became determental.
Honestly, tiles and start menu/task bar customization is a larger reason that I've kept windows 10. Everyday use apps pinned to task bar. power user and hardware apps tiled on start and stylized with 3rd party software.
Microsoft tossed it out to die when they locked user ability to utilize its potential when devs didn't.
Great analysis, as usual.
I'm also a 'recovering' Windows Phone fan, and actually a Windows defector, as last year I moved all my PCs to Linux. Microsoft has given up on trying to design better user experiences and transformed into a 'money first, spying second, anything else last' kind of company, like Adobe.
Never used a WIndows phone, but as a super visual person, I absolutely hate how live tiles look. I've already been slowly revamping my windows 11 PC with new icons for different folders because I NEED visuals to help me easily and quickly search through things. I would hate the idea of using the same colored tiled with just different icons. At that point it's gonna be as slow as just reading the names to find what I want, like on the default windows experience where every folder looks the same.
When I tried Windows Phone then I felt that I lost in jungle. Claustrophobic for me :D
I used a nokia windows phone for about 4 months in 2018 and absolutely loved it. But was a young teen who liked that it happened to have a great radio so i could get signal when camping while everyone else couldnt
I used Windows Phone back in the day and absolutely loved it. But this was the Ballmer era of Microsoft where so many easy wins were completely fumbled, this among them. They had the war chest to basically fund all the top apps in the world to make the best versions of themselves for the platform, but instead Ballmer decided to spend billions buying Nokia for no good reason and just assumed developers would show up to a distant third place platform, which basically conceded the market to Apple and Google. And oh yeah, trying to shoehorn this excellent touch interface into a mouse-driven OS.
I don't blame Ballmer at all buying Nokia. Imo it was actually good move. But hiring Elop was absolute shit decision. Worst thing ever. It was calculated that each day he worked costed company 18 million euros... PER DAY 🙁
@@jothain Curious why you think it was a good move? They didn't need to own Nokia to get Windows Phones manufactured and all it did was alienate the existing hardware partners they had, at an obscene cost that was ultimately just written off. Maybe I'm missing something though.
I loved that UI too!
I loved my Lumia 920, experience was something else. With windows now on snapdragon, msft should bring back the windows phone, would be a great addition to the surface lineup
Agree agree agree... Microsoft should have made THIS on surface duo
I loved windows phones and as an smartphone user who keeps the bare minimum of apps on my device at all times it was a great phone for me but it lacked key apps which prevented mainstream adaption.
This could work well with eye tracking like in the vision pro / quest pro. As where you're looking would be essentially be an input and decouple it from scrolling with your hand.
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I like it because I can change the size of the icon. In Windows 10, I just put them in the live tile and vary the sizes depending on how often I use them, rather than putting them on the taskbar. The taskbar is only used to pin web browsers and file explorers. I don't like pinning an app on the taskbar, as it can easily misclick or get cluttered when multiple programs are opened. I do agree that the notification and "live" in the live tile can be confusing.
Live tiles for an always on display would be really cool actually
I loved windows phone.....seeing this video on my feed was the happiest thing that happened this week
Yeah there are lots of *cool* things that don't actually make any sense ultimately - live tiles are a great software example.
Love the editing!
I am using an Android launcher called Square Home just to get the Windows Phone UI + "Live Tiles" back. I love the UI so much, and to me it's actually feels like you are using your whole screen instead of small icons everywhere.
For those of us of a certain age, live tiles were a flashback to Windows 1.0. Its interface was composed of non-overlapping, resizeable tiles, with active content. It also had a black bar across the bottom of the display, which was the MS-DOS command line. Compare that to the Windows 8 taskbar or the black bar up the right side of the earlier versions of Windows Phone.
Then there were the default color choices looking very much like the standard CGA cyan, magenta, white, and black.
It just looked like Windows 1.0 High Definition 2010 Edition.
Live tiles made sense for a smartphone interface, I loved it when I had WP. Just no apps.
My Android phone is a launcher with dozens of home screens with hundreds of widgets and folders with shortcuts and hundreds of Tasker automations in between it all.