When I was a kid collecting comics My heroes were not Earth heroes. My heroes were guardians of the Galaxy , Nova, Adam warlock and my very favorite Captain marvel. I grew up on Captain marvel he was one of my favorite heroes of all time watching this video kind of makes me sad to hear how he died again but thank you so much for bringing those memories back to me.
Yeah but Captain Mar-Vell didn't cat on with Audiences which is why after issue #21 it was cancelled he was then revamped with a new costume nand yet again failed to capture the Audience. Ms Marvel Carol Danvers comes along and faired way better which is why she still here today
I really enjoy your narrative format discussing comic book topics. Also, it is rare to see listings of the actual sources and giving credit to whom it is due too. Keep up the great work and thank you. 😎 Respectfully, CS1(SS) retired USN
Compared to her times as Warbird, Binary, and currently Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers has only used the name Ms. Marvel for a very short time(only 9 years IRL). The current Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan, will probably keep using the name for even longer.
Monica Rambeau had the Captain Marvel mantle before Carol Danvers way back in 1982. The first Captain Marvel was the Fawcett Character now known as Shazam. In order: Fawcett Captain Marvel Captain Mar-Vell Monica Rambeau / Photon Phyla-Vell Genis-Vell Noh-VarrCarol Danvers Even the Dark Avengers Captain Marvel had the mantle before she did.
@@mangamegs he left at some point when he realized they weren't heroes. I don't know of further stories with him. As for the Dark Avengers Ms Marvel there were two: Moonstone (Karla Soften) which had further stories with the Thunderbolts and there was Superia which wore the costume for a short while. As far as I know Superia hasn't appeared in a story in a while.
Wow, you can't fit all this into a 2hr movie and to try to do the full reveal would be like 48hrs of non stop movie material that no one would sit through. Are you so thick as to think anyone could do this character justice in 2 hrs? No they cannot, they made the MCU to introduce the character in a basic format just as they did with Spiderman, Thor, Iron man and the rest. I have all the comics and grew up reading them as they released and I can say the movies while nowhere near perfect are good for just the raw idea and entertainment.
@@animalyze7120these chuds complain about female characters all the time They rather stroke one out to characters like Batman a Democrat and child groomer
these dudes always complain about female characters They rather fantasize about heroes like Batman who's a liberal who loves being around young boys A PDf File
I'm pretty sure Rogue lost them at some point. I don't remember when exactly did she lose them, but I surely remember seeing her vulnerable, being wounded pretty badly in a battle, unable to fly. And it surely wasn't before their first encounter. She now has Wonder Man's powers though. I think... Unless she managed to lose them recently too and I'm not aware. :"D
One of the most disrespectful things the MCU had done was their introduction to Carol Danvers. Instead of a human being with issues that she could have struggled and solved, she was made to be an empty vessel of Kree propaganda and trapped between Kree vs Skrull conflict. She's amnesiac. She's not allowed to achieve independence at the end of the movie because she had to force herself to help the fleeing Skrull refugees. Sigh... it's such a missed opportunity.
One of the few Marvel comic-series I followed up was their Captain Marvel. I always liked Carol better than Una.:-) I was surprised to find years later that Carol Danvers had become Ms.Marvel...and then Captain Marvel!
Great video, but may I suggest updating it to mention her new origin, which states that the Cyclotron merely unlocked dormant powers due to her half-human/ half-Kree physiology?
Funny how the first and second Ms Marvels had problem fathers. The first a chauvinist who wouldn’t respect his daughter for what she was, the second far too strict and demanding. Neither ever made any effort to improve his relationship with his daughter or realise how his unhealthy attitudes were so damaging.
Moral irresponsibility aside, I though it 200 was rather generic. It really went to show how dramatically and emotionally compelling Avengers Annual #10 was.
Avengers # 200 was inconsistent with Ms Marvel's history. Modok had previously tried to brainwash Ms Marvel using a device which considerably increased his mental powers and failed, in part because of Carol's dual Human / Kree personality. Hecate (a goddess or perhaps an Eternal) also had considerable mental powers failed to control her. Marvel Comics completely ignored this aspect in Avengers #200. Somehow Marcus succeeds with no explanation. In Avengers Annual # 10: The Ambush by Rogue made no sense because Ms Marvel had a sixth sense that warned her of impending attacks, which they completely ignored. No explanation for this, they could have had Destiny along and claim her ability to see the future was causing interference with Danvers ability, but no explanation for this was given. When Rogue had Ms Marvel's powers she didn't have the premonition power either. In the second Civil War, when Danvers trusts an Inhuman with a precognition power, there was no mention that she has/had that power in the past. One would think that her having a similar power at some point would have influenced her decisions but no mention of her precognition powers were mention. They could have an instance where her precognition powers contradicted the Inhuman's precognition power but they didn't mention it. Lazy writing. When there was the Skrull invasion some years back, they could have fixed those issues by revealing that Ms Marvel had been replaced by a Super Skrull and that was the Ms Marvel that been captured by Marcus and whose powers were stolen by Rogue. The Skrull interloper wouldn't have had Ms Marvel's premonition power because they were unaware of it. Which would have made Binary a Skrull. They didn't take that opportunity.
There was a lot to sort through and some of it was indeed best glossed over. I'd recommend Linkara's video about Avengers #200 if anybody really wants to know more about the whole Marcus thing.
@@MerryMarvelite .. Yeah, I own Avengers 200, reading it as a 10 yr old kid was one thing, few decades later opened a whole other "can of worms" let's just say. I'll check out that video...great job, you're my new favorite channel for comics origins.
Hahahaha! Best carol danvers issue- avengers annual #10. Michael Golden artwork, and she straight GOES OFF on the avengers for letting her go with Marcus....
She was on Donahue with a man in sunglasses. She was behind a screen and you could only see her silhouette (but we could tell who it was). His "junk" was severed during a sexual encounter with Ms. Mavel. The show was about having sex with super powered beings and the tragedies that occurred.
I got no problem with her character in the comics or in the MCU, but for me Captain Marvel is Billy Batson. Why didn't you add the details of what she did to Rogue when she got her powers back.
Captain Mar Vel should had been 1 of the greatest characters & Publications the company ever produced. Lousy writing & no creativity is what doomed the Kree Captain
I finished Reading The Death of Captain Marvel when my Brother knocked on my Bedroom Door to tell me our Mother had Just Died From Stomach Cancer!!!!!!
This story was the one that should have come to light. The Carol Danvers of the origin is a good character and one of my favorites.
When I was a kid collecting comics My heroes were not Earth heroes. My heroes were guardians of the Galaxy , Nova, Adam warlock and my very favorite Captain marvel. I grew up on Captain marvel he was one of my favorite heroes of all time watching this video kind of makes me sad to hear how he died again but thank you so much for bringing those memories back to me.
Yeah but Captain Mar-Vell didn't cat on with Audiences which is why after issue #21 it was cancelled he was then revamped with a new costume nand yet again failed to capture the Audience. Ms Marvel Carol Danvers comes along and faired way better which is why she still here today
Great video. Very cohesive for such a messy and confusing origin story haha
Oh, thank god.
I really enjoy your narrative format discussing comic book topics. Also, it is rare to see listings of the actual sources and giving credit to whom it is due too. Keep up the great work and thank you. 😎
Respectfully,
CS1(SS) retired USN
Man, I love this. In fact, I’ve subscribed to help me gain more knowledge about the Marvel characters.
Compared to her times as Warbird, Binary, and currently Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers has only used the name Ms. Marvel for a very short time(only 9 years IRL). The current Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan, will probably keep using the name for even longer.
Excellent breakdown!! Thoroughly enjoyable.
She’s my favorite superhero. Great video.
I would love to see that Mystique and Rogue feud with her in the second movie!
love those Michael Golden panels. great job as always.
I prefer Carol Danvers as Ms. Marvel!
Why
@@aaronjames3228 Because nothing's beats the classic! 90's Ms. Marvel Rocks!
@@Yugi40
Fuck new Marvel.
Monica Rambeau had the Captain Marvel mantle before Carol Danvers way back in 1982. The first Captain Marvel was the Fawcett Character now known as Shazam. In order:
Fawcett Captain Marvel
Captain Mar-Vell
Monica Rambeau / Photon
Phyla-Vell
Genis-Vell
Noh-VarrCarol Danvers
Even the Dark Avengers Captain Marvel had the mantle before she did.
Technically correct obviously Ms Marvel in 1977 and Captain Marvel in 2012 ..
What ever happen to that dark avengers captain marvel?
@@mangamegs he left at some point when he realized they weren't heroes. I don't know of further stories with him. As for the Dark Avengers Ms Marvel there were two: Moonstone (Karla Soften) which had further stories with the Thunderbolts and there was Superia which wore the costume for a short while. As far as I know Superia hasn't appeared in a story in a while.
@@HepCatJack ok, thanks
What does this have to do with anything?
Wow this was much better than the MCU film...
Wow, you can't fit all this into a 2hr movie and to try to do the full reveal would be like 48hrs of non stop movie material that no one would sit through. Are you so thick as to think anyone could do this character justice in 2 hrs? No they cannot, they made the MCU to introduce the character in a basic format just as they did with Spiderman, Thor, Iron man and the rest. I have all the comics and grew up reading them as they released and I can say the movies while nowhere near perfect are good for just the raw idea and entertainment.
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Defensive
@@animalyze7120these chuds complain about female characters all the time
They rather stroke one out to characters like Batman a Democrat and child groomer
@@OfLanceTheLonginuscrybaby
these dudes always complain about female characters
They rather fantasize about heroes like Batman who's a liberal who loves being around young boys
A PDf File
Oh hell no. She is, and ever shall be, MS. Marvel.
100% Ms. Marvel. That other one is an impostor who needs to get her own name.
Oh the tears are delicious 😋
I liked Carol a whole lot better when she was Ms. Marvel.
Why
@@aaronjames3228 Because she wasn't arrogant and didn't act like a man with that Butch haircut of hers.
Same here.
Warbird ♡
@@johnnytwotimes7854 That's just it she ain't a man she just acts like one.
My theory as to why Rogue still has some of Miss Marvel's powers, is cause they are Kree based.
I'm pretty sure Rogue lost them at some point. I don't remember when exactly did she lose them, but I surely remember seeing her vulnerable, being wounded pretty badly in a battle, unable to fly. And it surely wasn't before their first encounter. She now has Wonder Man's powers though. I think... Unless she managed to lose them recently too and I'm not aware. :"D
Thank you for this video 💯❤️
Sucks that Captain Mar-Vell never comes back at all, hey it’s like uncle ben.
She never sold in comic books that's why he got canceled
Man. Comic Carol is so dope
I love to see Rogue hold onto her a little longer.
One of the most disrespectful things the MCU had done was their introduction to Carol Danvers. Instead of a human being with issues that she could have struggled and solved, she was made to be an empty vessel of Kree propaganda and trapped between Kree vs Skrull conflict. She's amnesiac. She's not allowed to achieve independence at the end of the movie because she had to force herself to help the fleeing Skrull refugees. Sigh... it's such a missed opportunity.
This story is much better than that wch was showcased in MCU
No
Dick Ayers- an underrated marvel great.
One of the few Marvel comic-series I followed up was their Captain Marvel. I always liked Carol better than Una.:-) I was surprised to find years later that Carol Danvers had become Ms.Marvel...and then Captain Marvel!
Love her so much! For 25 years she’s my fave and Brie is slaying as her in the MCU! MUCH MUCH more coming in 2022!
Great video, but may I suggest updating it to mention her new origin, which states that the Cyclotron merely unlocked dormant powers due to her half-human/ half-Kree physiology?
Getting down with the Star Jammers.
I got her movie figure but I really want them to make her in the black suit and the red
Can we please have the Origin of Rick Jones
Funny how the first and second Ms Marvels had problem fathers. The first a chauvinist who wouldn’t respect his daughter for what she was, the second far too strict and demanding. Neither ever made any effort to improve his relationship with his daughter or realise how his unhealthy attitudes were so damaging.
MIZZ Marvel spelled Ms. Marvel. NOT Miss Marvel
MS Marvel was a better character then the now named Captain Marvel
No
@@aaronjames3228 Yes
She absolutely was not.
Thanks
God, avengers #200 sucked, even if you ignore the whole can of worms that is Marcus.
Moral irresponsibility aside, I though it 200 was rather generic. It really went to show how dramatically and emotionally compelling Avengers Annual #10 was.
Avengers # 200 was inconsistent with Ms Marvel's history. Modok had previously tried to brainwash Ms Marvel using a device which considerably increased his mental powers and failed, in part because of Carol's dual Human / Kree personality. Hecate (a goddess or perhaps an Eternal) also had considerable mental powers failed to control her. Marvel Comics completely ignored this aspect in Avengers #200. Somehow Marcus succeeds with no explanation.
In Avengers Annual # 10: The Ambush by Rogue made no sense because Ms Marvel had a sixth sense that warned her of impending attacks, which they completely ignored. No explanation for this, they could have had Destiny along and claim her ability to see the future was causing interference with Danvers ability, but no explanation for this was given. When Rogue had Ms Marvel's powers she didn't have the premonition power either. In the second Civil War, when Danvers trusts an Inhuman with a precognition power, there was no mention that she has/had that power in the past. One would think that her having a similar power at some point would have influenced her decisions but no mention of her precognition powers were mention. They could have an instance where her precognition powers contradicted the Inhuman's precognition power but they didn't mention it. Lazy writing.
When there was the Skrull invasion some years back, they could have fixed those issues by revealing that Ms Marvel had been replaced by a Super Skrull and that was the Ms Marvel that been captured by Marcus and whose powers were stolen by Rogue. The Skrull interloper wouldn't have had Ms Marvel's premonition power because they were unaware of it. Which would have made Binary a Skrull. They didn't take that opportunity.
@@HepCatJack
That sounds like a good idea. The Avengers #200 should have been a Skrull impostor. Then Marcus takes the "L".
When was the depiction of Rogue's fight with Carol? It wasn't in Avengers Annual #10, that was the aftermath.
Good job sticking to the relatively positive history...as opposed to the convoluted incest and alcoholism angles🤐.
There was a lot to sort through and some of it was indeed best glossed over. I'd recommend Linkara's video about Avengers #200 if anybody really wants to know more about the whole Marcus thing.
@@MerryMarvelite .. Yeah, I own Avengers 200, reading it as a 10 yr old kid was one thing, few decades later opened a whole other "can of worms" let's just say.
I'll check out that video...great job, you're my new favorite channel for comics origins.
Hahahaha! Best carol danvers issue- avengers annual #10. Michael Golden artwork, and she straight GOES OFF on the avengers for letting her go with Marcus....
Uh what
@@aaronjames3228 ...Avengers #200...
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You see this is why I hate the movie so much well one of the reasons they had a great backstory and they fucked it all up
mar-vell is better captain marvel than carol
This can't be the same character that Brie Larson played, this character actually smiled several times in this video.
It is
This CZcams origin story is better than the mcu Captain marvel movie
She was on Donahue with a man in sunglasses. She was behind a screen and you could only see her silhouette (but we could tell who it was). His "junk" was severed during a sexual encounter with Ms. Mavel. The show was about having sex with super powered beings and the tragedies that occurred.
Carol Danvers will always be Ms Marvel now and forever. More Likable & Respectful.
Captain mervel
I got no problem with her character in the comics or in the MCU, but for me Captain Marvel is Billy Batson. Why didn't you add the details of what she did to Rogue when she got her powers back.
Carol Danvers will always be Ms. Marvel. Mar-vell is only true Captain Marvel in the Marvel Universe.
Am I experiencing the Mandela effect? I thought Carol was attempting suicide and jumped off the bridge? Avengers annual #10?
Captain Mar Vel should had been 1 of the greatest characters & Publications the company ever produced. Lousy writing & no creativity is what doomed the Kree Captain
Psyche (of Psyche-Magnitron) is pronounced SY-KEE
MCU HAS DONE WRONG TO EACH AND EVERY CHARACTER OF COMICS !!!!!!
Better detailed video.
I finished Reading The Death of Captain Marvel when my Brother knocked on my Bedroom Door to tell me our Mother had Just Died From Stomach Cancer!!!!!!
Oh my god! I'm so sorry!
@@Yugi40 It was 12:35 pm on Nov.24 1985.I tend to remember things like that among other Things!!!!!!
@@JeffreyWLaRue 1985?!?! How old are you now?!
@@Yugi40 62 Years 7 months and 2 weeks I Was 27 at the Time!!!!
@@JeffreyWLaRue Whoa!! You are quite an old man by now!
Clearly Carol could be interesting if she were written well.
CAPTAIN MARVEL MCU SAGA:
CAPTAIN MARVEL
AVENGERS: ENDGAME
SHANG-CHI AND THE LEGEND OF THE TEN RINGS
THE MARVELS
Murvhaul
Then Brie Larson killed the caracter for good.
Always loved Captain Marvel / Ms Marvel in the comics, hated Brie Larson as her in the MCU movies.....
Not Miss Marvel. MS. Marvel. Like Miz. Just because she's unmarried, you don't have to call her Miss.
I thought she was black
That'd be Monica Rambeau, the second Captain Marvel! I have a video about her on the channel, as well!