I Think The Pros Are Wrong About Alter - Apex Legends Season 21
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- Are The Pros WRONG About Alter? - Apex Legends Season 21
All the pros say Alter wont be the best for ALGS, but is there a chance they are wrong? Today, The Gaming Merchant tries to find out.
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The pros know a lot, but they often don't leave room for new legends to grow into the game.
yes but at the same time they really can't afford to test new legends when they need the best practice possible in scrims when they know the Meta and what works. Just very risky / unnecessary unfortunately.
@@AyoShaba Didn't ALGS just end? They've got an entire year to practice
Neither do they leave their real rooms and touch grass 😂
@@greypoint000Lol 😊 algs doesn't end
@@greypoint000it's only split 1,theres split 2 and then championship
They always are. Seer was laying dormant for a while until he got picked up
Umm… seer was op and was the top pick on drop😅
I think they meant after the nerfs, after that one person played them and won the entire series. There was a span after it when everyone decided they wanted a Seer on their team, so they nerfed him again.
He was always OP and broke the game. It was his flamboyance and JoJo' bizzare adventure look that made people want to brush him off. But his kit was too strong to ignore. Almost the same for Catalyst
@@stooptv7993bro saying professional apex players didn’t play a legend for his aesthetics design. lol…
My thing is that most new legends are not meta vintage, ash, new castle, or ballistic... she is pudg stomper because ult tele and tact... tact to flank people who are dumb and can't hear and ult tele to ape a fight... this will stop until people realize that you can chase by taking ult tele if some goes down... realistic her tact is good to get high ground and passive is mini loba shop but I don't think that is enough.... horizon is better legend.. better mobility better... worse passive... but better ult that can win a fight. Maybe extra nades whe gets at end might push her to be great but right now she is good. I think little better than wraith
The thing that I think does limit Alter from being very good in pro play is just how clunky it is to use her ult. It's just a LOT of time and inconvenient criteria to get it to go off where if it was just a single button press without the need to hold and/or look directly at the ult, I think it would be a lot more viable the same way Revenant ult was for a while.
Agreed I’m a used to it because I’ve been playing a lot of her but I’ve had teammates who struggle to get the teleport off. Either they’re not looking at it right. Or the hold on the button doesn’t fully register. Definitely need to make the ult a bit more intuitive and easy to use.
When imperial hall said alter wasn’t gonna be good in knew she was gonna be good
He’s all skill and no brain
True, Hal should not be expected to do anything but aim
Facts lol
lol yeah
Hal had his team running bang caustic bloodhound while playing on controller...
Does he not know that smoke is good against controller players IF you're playing on mouse?
He's just countering himself.
The one huge complaint that I have always had about competitive Apex, is that playing a game with an enormous amount of legends/playstyles ALL of the pro teams play the exact same comp 9/10 times. Makes for boring gameplay imo
it's because there's always one dominant comp for each meta, and if you don't play it you lose. there are some teams that play off-meta comps but they've never won a LAN before.
the current dominant comp is caustic/cat - bloodhound - bang for many reasons:
1. you need ring scan and recon scan, so every team always will have a recon/controller legend by default.
2. bloodhound has the best 1v1ing ult in the game and is the best information gatherer.
3. bang has massive synergy with bloodhound, further amplifying bloodhounds fragging power.
4. bang counters controller which is the dominant input at the highest level of play.
5. caustic/cat are the only two controller legends who can reliably take and hold space.
Same with Overwatch League
@@telvanniiscatalyst didn’t get high pick rate last lan. We’ll see this time around since caustic got more nerfs and she was given attempted buffs
@@telvanniis Bangalore needs huge nerfs imo :/ Her smoke should last like 4 seconds.
the team that won the last lan literally used wattson and they was like a week ago @@telvanniis
I feel like pros commonly say new things aren't very good because they're so used to the current meta and personal style of play that changing either throws them off. Just my 2 cents tho
Im not sure about that, when seer came out really broken everyone embraced him, But I dont know why they say Alter is not viable, she is full of potential
If the legend isn't movement/rotation based then the props think that legend sucks
@@BriefKeef if anything at all they don’t like, they all whine like babies.
@DarcyMH I feel like Seer is an exception. Kinda like launch Bocek or Nemesis
7:30 the scan is so op
the main problem is that alter doesn't really fit into the ALGS team comp of anchor/fragger/utility (cat/blood/bang). she can't frag and she can't anchor and her utility is only strong if you're in-doors. if you're out in the open, which is what happens often in algs endzones, you die without a bang or gibby.
Maybe I don't understand what anchor means, but I figured her ult would be an excellent anchor
@@gagewarner6502 anchor means someone who can take and hold space, think cat/gibby/caustic. they all can take a huge amount of space with their ults and tacticals.
@telvanniis ah, copy, then I take back my precious response, and thank you for teaching me!
@@gagewarner6502 anchor in video game terms just means "last person to enter the fight", so technically any legend could anchor - but in this current meta, the ones that make the best are the ones that can hold off pushes, take space and get resets off so cat/caustic mostly.
All solid points.
to prove that alter is a good legend for high level play, the gaming merchant brings her into silver ranked lobbies... sure mate... I believe you
Actual gen even said that she has amazing flank potential called her broken busted and he’s a top tier pro and Hal’s new team mate
All the skirmisher kits are strong for outplays in fights, but there is a reason Horizon is the only one that saw high usage at the pro level. She had an offensive/zone denying ult that could be combo'ed/synergized with other abilities. Her lift has a wide range of offensive, defensive, and positional utility for the whole team. Even her passive is a nice perk to have when fighting not to mention randomly giving CoD's dead silence.
The main issue for Alter is the ult has narrow use. It has to be used/positioned proactively and its still just a one-way retreat. It's in the same boat as Rev totem, which sure people can combo like Revtane, but in a pro lobby with 15+ teams squishing into zone 3 a team would rarely have the isolated fight to pull that off without getting 3P.
exactly this. It's almost a guarantee that algs or even diamond/pred lobbies would not give the time or space needed to pull off the full reset that they did here.
The solution would be to give her better perks, her current ones are bad.
Just proves you should never listen to the "pros"
I agree. Her kit is slept on.
she just came out
Have you tried the Alter vertical portal super jump? You place a vertical Alter portal, crouch, go into the portal, let go of crouch, then scroll wheel jump as you are coming out of the portal. It shoots you up in the air like a mantle jump and it's super fun to do.
7:32 yo this play was crazy. Being able to see who is low and focus them.
Yo, that's was hella fun game
Always nice to met you in game)
Do you shoot flyers like that just because? I try to use the two bullet method to save ammo and minimize attention
Good afternoon merch hope you doing well
I found alter quite useful in ranked. There are lot of places you can cut through with her tactical if you are not using it for fights, which can be quite useful for rotation or even as repositioning. And her looting passive is always good for a way tp get heals even if you pick up for teamates. The ult can also be used to save teamates.
I have saved my team so many times with her ultimate. Being able to teleport while downed is game changing. I do think it’s a bit too slow and hard to get off. Or using it when about to get 3rd partied.
i remember people running loba comps because of constant tunneling in final circles, imagine her just having that power in her passive, thats crazy
the alter crypto push is stupidly broken rn and probably will be for a while.
That EVO shield at 3:40
most op legend dude. the scan at 7:30 and the reset ult for res is ridiculous
Wow that was such a good show of skill yo! Pretty awesome.
I mean, a legend that can move through walls and has a team-based escape system... Yeah, clearly she's pretty powerful. Sure, other players can follow you through the tac but that's still some serious utility. Plus, what I really like about this is that the ult power here comes from survivability and slightly more passive play without it being about bunkering up. What's most toxic is when the meta becomes agressive (revtane, horizon, etc) and you just get dunked on whether in pubs or ranked. A more passive meta might be a little more boring on the surface but could ultimately make the game nicer to play for most players.
Her ultimate is the best reset tool in the game by far, just nobody seems to use it lol
Can someone tell me what’s with the funny new looking death box??
Dude that was great Alter play!!! Good teammates too!
I'm trying to honestly remember a time the PRO's for any game were ever right.
Bs
That ultimate is really good, damn
bro honeslty I haven't played the previous seasons, cause i didn't like how respawn ran things. I played one game with alter and thought she was amaaaaaazing
That wraith at the start stole ALL your stuff
Only if your solo que teammates actually listen to you and actually take the ult when down
Actual brain delusions if they're counting Alter out of the conversation, especially so early
Shes not a scan legend has no area denial and can only provide rotates back to a spot that they’ve already been to which would give up space control. yeah i think the pros know what they talk about. she gets value in the early game like every other skirmisher does (which pros rarely take fights in) yeah i dont see her getting played in algs. Maybe mechanically gifted preds can do something with her but shes easily countered and doesnt offer enough to pick over the current meta of bang or bloodhound. Any reason a well respected pro would say a new character is strong is to bait another team into trying it. Sorry to be a bubble burster but the delusion lies with you
Her passive looting alone in endgame could be the difference in competitive. How many times you hear a pro say they need ammo or shields
15:14 600 energy ammo Lol
You have to communicate alot with her about the ult, you team need to use the tactical
You can get away with using her tac selfishly a fair bit if you use your teammates as distractions/meat-shields, works especially well if you hava rev or gibby/conduit… after your team gets a knock is always a good time for it too
I think Alter strives in early and mid game but falls off after if a ring closes in open terrain especially. However before that she‘s nuts.
If you master her tac by breaking lines of sight or flank smart she is the most illusive legend in the game
Crazy game!
They always are, they say nothing about the p2020 being broken, has been for a while now
I also think that the Spitfire is in a good place too
Yeah she’s a fantastic team play legend. Feels like old revenant and wraith mixed.
its amazing to me how many pub teammates never make use of the void nexus
Ngl it’s hard to see some times
They have yet to get that they could still use the Void Nexus while downed
@@hecksters423 it takes time, my first two times playing I didn’t notice I could either
Yeah even after you literally ping it or do it yourself
Idk why bring her if you can bring horizon same utility to get high ground... the only other thing is to get flank but that is rare for scenerio to happen... where most of her power is at her ult but i dislike the option that people can take ult teleport which result in people chasing hard... the only really good thing is her passive being mini loba store... meh ult...very strict tactical... good passive... the only way i can see her good is if ult teleport did not work for enemy but that will cause octaine and alter meta so better she stays good but not great
Hi gaming merchant BIG FAN
in the percy jackson books, the gods needed a mortals help killing giants because the gods had all the power, but the mortals had the creativity. that’s how it is with apex pros.
Feels situational and like it has the same problem as revenants old totem… it’s a backtracking legend with an amazing passive that just isn’t aggressive enough imo.
It's way better than Rev's totem, but yeah, still has a bunch of limitations. No one even seems to mention that the enemies can go through the open Ult portals too.
tbh im hoping pros dont pick up alter cause then she'll get nerfed way more than she would need to be (like with catalyst and valk (they needed nerfs but respawn def went too far to make the pros happy))
Alter is to fair i think. She delivers you the counterplay to her abilities on a silver platter. Like chasing the portal, chasing the ult, revealing her position with her passive. Her fairness makes her kit weaker the better the enemy is. Barely any other legend is as fair as alter.
I think Alter in rank is risky, why not use someone safer that you know would work especially with rp on the line. You would rarely think ‘damn an alter would’ve been perfect right now’
Furia was running her in scrims yesterday. Also won the scrims. Lol
but you were in one of the lowest ranks so i dont know if its going to be good in plat plus
I think not every legend HAS to be good in ALGS from the get go, as long as it has a good niche it will see play eventually as the meta and map changes. Alter is incredibly fun.
She is still just mid-tier. She literally offers nothing late game for her team. Shes better than Ash and worse than Wraith. Strong B tier and I would say that regardless of what pros think. Her ULT is actually pretty trash if you have to turn around and look at it to hit and youll just get thirsted by smart teams. It takes too long to use and is too clunky.
its ok if they dont like her because if some pro picks her up and starts dominating Imperial Hal and all thos Pros who Respawn listens to are going to complain and they are going to nerf her into the gournd.Then 5 seasons later they will rework her then nerf her again.If she dominates the Meta she is going to end up being useless like old Revenant,Lifeline,Mirage and Vantage. Respawn should make a seperate Apex Legends for Pros and streamers because this thing of them dictating who gets nuffed or nerfed is lame. Look at how angry they are that the Havoc is meta, they only want wingman,r301,r99,flatline and Peacekeeper to be Meta, everything is labelled as "Killing the fun of the game".
At the rate that we are going at they are might need to rework 12 legends. And its crazy because some legends who are already good like Newcastle are getting even mroe buffs while Ballistic,Mirage,Vantage,Ash are still Bad. I dont main any legend because of this meta thing.
Is no one gonna say anything about 600 energy ammo!??? 15:12
pros be like "alter isnt viable" then use wraith
Wraith has complete awareness of where her portal is going and the portal lets u go back and forth. Alter just props that nexus in a place and once they do want to escape a hairy situation, she has no clue as to the safety of the ult. There can be an entire team camping on your ult and u'll never know until u take that one way ticket. So yeah there's a reason why wraith is a better team player
for me the ultimate of alter its key to her , to be played in ranked
All you do is worry about pro😂
I think it’s due to her passive and ult being weak in combat her tact is very good but the rest of her kit is meh legends that are s tier have a kit that is useful in all situations e.g bang
Just let Designful adjust to this one.... with Verhulst grandes it's gonna be a treat !
I see an alter lifeline and bloodhound team
What a perfect Alter game!
I absolutely love that nobody plays Alter. I get to pick her and make sweet flanks all over maps. I love it.
Most of the pros tbh are delusionally aggressive and think that their little specific meta is the only way…until they get outplayed by a well coordinated team of not meta characters with good synergy
Atler is a Skillfull Legend, the more you play and learn portals the better she becomes.
Keon proved that she is a contender.
no other legend can turn the tide and save you from getting squad wiped like alters reset ult
What a deeply unserious thing to follow the video premise with pubstomping silver players lol
Any player who is good at this game can make any legend strong enough to play in ALGs, objectively tho, her kit Isnt that great and has wayyyy more downside than upsides.
1 her ult doesnt feel snappy or viable tp use
2 her tactical is amazing but leave you incredibly vulerable
3 definelty needs better upgrades.
Ultimately, she's best suited for pubs and thats perfectly fine. Not every legend needs to be ALGs certifide and strong enough to the point you're running into that legend in every gun fight
Every thing you just said is objectively wrong. Her ult is VERY viable for res and resets. Her tactical lasts for 10 WHOLE SECONDS and can be used horizontally AND VERTICALLY, and also can have SCAN ABILITIES (like seer!) when upgraded.
And all her upgrades change enhance or change the way she plays for herself OR her team.
Yall just delusional in this community and it shows
She is amazing, my squad won 5 ranked games in a row with her!
Alter is not as op as conduit and Catalyst when they were introduced.
Catalyst was never op
@@orach2480she was
The blade looks dumb I hates it
She's really good. As a very much non-pro I can definitely see her being used in pro play.
I’m pretty sure they are going to take away the ability to go back to the nexus while knocked
Considering some, if not most of the players don't take it while downed, I don't blame you. Unless they jiggle it down to a perk
@@hecksters423 it doesn’t make sense that people can use what’s basically an ultimate accelerant animation while knocked while they can’t do anything else. Imagine being able to use other legends tactical/ultimate while being knocked down
They could, but it's no different than crawling into a Wraith portal, Horizon lift, Octane jumppad, etc. Plus, the enemies can literally follow the downed players through the portal...
So it wouldn't really make a lot of sense to nerf that.
The surviving player would still be able to open a portal for the team to crawl through if they removed this feature, so removing it might not be so bad
@@caterpillar1936 exactly, instead of having a knocked player magically opening one.
TELL THE RANDOS TO TAKE THE NEXUS 😩
The pros all have tunnel vision. I stopped listening to them a long time ago bc 9/10 they’re wrong
How does she have an heirloom already??
It’s the universal heirloom (useable with any legend) that came out not too long ago - it’s customizable and has different colors and skin variations
This pros don't now how to play new legends they just like to say that this legend is not that good
I mean it doesn't matter how good a legend is if your solo ques keep pushing alone to die and make u lose
Shes just misunderstood. I can fix her
Okay zylbrad
I don't think she'll be viable in comp to be honest. I always thought it was baffling that pros didn't pick Seer up sooner until Furia started that meta but Alter provides nothing really useful in fights in the open and even if you use her q on a building surface to push a team, you are just not pushing a team in Caustic meta. They'll just 3 man beam you or Caustic ult you and you'll likely get third partied. Her ultimate provides nothing in terms of winning fights. Not all legends are comp viable and that's fine.
ALGS is uninteresting to watch. Alter is a solid A+ legend
A for Alter
ash fuse crypto
Alrer is a oush god and a get iut if a jam gor the team
I think she’ll stay a pub legend. The same cringe lords who play wraith will play her just trying to troll people and leaving as soon as they get knocked
I always use the perks that benefit her ult... especially the one that makes it never expires!
ive been saying shes S tier
If u watch this video u have too understand hes in silvel lobby. Try make aother videoo in diamond + were u actually meet good players
Ppl still watching algs💀💀
The range of her ult is laughable, you can only go through it once. And her tac has to be somewhere you can jump through it. Not impressive. Pubs
bait vids i dont wanna watch gameplay i want the summary
Gotta be honest, the baked in captions are 👎
Wow, her wrecking in silver lobbies means she’s ALGS approved
She really is the new Ash because she's like Wraith and Horizon but not as gewd lol. Respawn are trying so hard to make her a Wraith counter/anti-Horizon instead of making her unique.
I dunno, will Mad Maggie ever be in the ALGS.... Aside from that time
Will we ever see Ballistic in the ALGS?
How about Revenant?
Murage? Ok that will be impossible but dreaming is free
Revenant was at a point, new one will probably not
Maggie would only happen if Gibby/Newcastle became a huge thing.
Ballistic just isn't going to happen. He doesn't really offer anything useful for holding ground.
Rev is similar to Ballistic. They just don't bring any real balance. They are one-dimensional.
Even Octane brings some team utility and he's like the worst competitive legend.
@@yahootube90 what about Vantage?
@@frank8917 She'd be better than some of them. She can use consoles and has partial wallhack, but I think most people would just pick Bloodhound instead. Her ult is kind of irrelevant, and Echo is kind of a terrible movement ability... like Octane's jump pad. And her hitbox is gigantic. Anything she can do, someone else can do better.
@@yahootube90 i thought the ult would work
I mean, it kinda works like the Sydney Sleeper from TF2
In flabbergasted algs even still alive its the worst ever game for esports. Watch cs or dota once i dare u
I mean your also not a pro, can't even hit pred. It's still a new legend, wait a bit.
she needs work, if you dont knoww every port spot youll end up dead